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Hello, Chris!

Saturday February 25 2023 14:51, from Chris Jacobs -> All, in URL @OFGHIUrl:

@MSGID: 303.fidoutf8@1:103/705 285fc839

fts-0009.001

^AMSGID: origaddr serialno
The originating address should be specified in a form that constitutes a valid return address for the originating network.

Original network is the vanilla FidoNet, I guess. It would be hard to constitute a valid return address from "303.fidoutf8@1:103/705".

@PID: Synchronet 3.20a-Win32 master/12f48d226 Feb 24 2023 MSC 1929

fsc-0046.005

^APID: <pID> <version>[ <serial#>]<CR>

The date after the serial field is confusing

@TID: SBBSecho 3.20-Linux master/b802e8326 Feb 24 2023 GCC 12.2.0

fsc-0046.005

TIDs follow the same format used for PIDs, as explained above.

The date after the serial field is confusing

@COLS: 80
@BBSID: VERT

Custom kludges can be ignored.

@CHRS: ASCII 1

fts-5003.001

^ACHRS: <identifier> <level>
First level of internationalisation, using seven bit character sets. Most
of these are based on US ASCII, with minor internationalisation
variations.

Not sure if this utf-8 echo-conference is the right place for tesing the 7-bit encodings.

@NOTE: FSEditor.js v1.104

Custom kludges can be ignored.

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This is an empty text message for me, what exactly you were about to say?

Regards,
Nil
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25 Feb 2023 19:55, you wrote to Chris Jacobs:

@MSGID: 303.fidoutf8@1:103/705 285fc839

fts-0009.001

^AMSGID: origaddr serialno
The originating address should be specified in a form that
constitutes a valid return address for the originating network.

Original network is the vanilla FidoNet, I guess. It would be hard to constitute a valid return address from "303.fidoutf8@1:103/705".

See here:
http://wiki.synchro.net/faq:misc#ftn_msgid

Carlos

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Hello Chris,

On Saturday February 25 2023 14:51, you wrote to All:

@CHRS ASCII 1

Empty message, no unicode to test...


Cheers, Michiel

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唐朝 Now there should be content.

Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Chris Jacobs <=-

Hello Chris,

On Saturday February 25 2023 14:51, you wrote to All:

@CHRS ASCII 1

Empty message, no unicode to test...

Cheers, Michiel

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Hello Chris,

On Sunday February 26 2023 10:43, you wrote to me:

@CHRS: UTF-8 4
唐朝 Now there should be content.

Indeed there is. The CHRS kludge is correct.

Golded shows garbage and goated shows two rectangles meaning "no glyph".

But if I reply with Winv as external editor in Golded I can see two characters that look like Chinese to me.

Cheers, Michiel

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Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Chris Jacobs <=-

Hello Chris,

On Sunday February 26 2023 10:43, you wrote to me:

@CHRS: UTF-8 4
唐朝 Now there should be content.

Indeed there is. The CHRS kludge is correct.

Golded shows garbage and goated shows two rectangles meaning "no
glyph".

Multimail also shows garbage.

But if I reply with Winv as external editor in Golded I can see two characters that look like Chinese to me.

It says Tang-Dynasty. There was a chinese restaurant here with that name.

If I reply from multimail I get notepad kladblok as external editor and that displays it correct.

Chris

Cheers, Michiel

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Hello Chris,

On Sunday February 26 2023 14:23, you wrote to me:

But if I reply with Winv as external editor in Golded I can see
two characters that look like Chinese to me.

It says Tang-Dynasty. There was a chinese restaurant here with that
name.

Aha!

If I reply from multimail I get notepad kladblok as external editor
and that displays it correct.

Notepad handles UTF-8 quit well but the last time I tried it as external editor for Golded it insisted on adding a BOM to the message text. That was many years ago so maybe newer versions of notepad do not do that anymore. Adding or using a BOM in UTF-8 text is considered obsolete practise.


Cheers, Michiel

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Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Chris Jacobs <=-

Hello Chris,

[ ... ]

Notepad handles UTF-8 quit well but the last time I tried it as
external editor for Golded it insisted on adding a BOM to the message text. That was many years ago so maybe newer versions of notepad do not do that anymore. Adding or using a BOM in UTF-8 text is considered obsolete practise.

Here, on Windos 11, Notepad does not require a BOM.

Chris

Cheers, Michiel

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Hello Chris,

On Monday February 27 2023 02:39, you wrote to me:

Notepad handles UTF-8 quit well but the last time I tried it as
external editor for Golded it insisted on adding a BOM to the
message text. That was many years ago so maybe newer versions of
notepad do not do that anymore. Adding or using a BOM in UTF-8
text is considered obsolete practise.

Here, on Windos 11, Notepad does not require a BOM.

My point was not that Notepad requires a BOM, but that it adds a BOM.

Cheers, Michiel

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Hello, Michiel van der Vlist.
On 27/02/2023 14.00 you wrote:

Hello Chris,
On Monday February 27 2023 02:39, you wrote to me:

Notepad handles UTF-8 quit well but the last time I tried it as
external editor for Golded it insisted on adding a BOM to the
message text. That was many years ago so maybe newer versions of
notepad do not do that anymore. Adding or using a BOM in UTF-8
text is considered obsolete practise.

Here, on Windos 11, Notepad does not require a BOM.

My point was not that Notepad requires a BOM, but that it adds a BOM.

Try Notepad++. It works pretty fine as an external editor in GoldED.

Cheers, Michiel
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Hello Tommi,

On Monday February 27 2023 20:39, you wrote to me:

My point was not that Notepad requires a BOM, but that it adds a
BOM.

Try Notepad++. It works pretty fine as an external editor in GoldED.

I may do that some day...


Cheers, Michiel

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Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Chris Jacobs <=-

Hello Chris,

On Monday February 27 2023 02:39, you wrote to me:

Notepad handles UTF-8 quit well but the last time I tried it as
external editor for Golded it insisted on adding a BOM to the
message text. That was many years ago so maybe newer versions of
notepad do not do that anymore. Adding or using a BOM in UTF-8
text is considered obsolete practise.

Here, on Windos 11, Notepad does not require a BOM.

My point was not that Notepad requires a BOM, but that it adds a BOM.

It does not default add a BOM either.

Chris

Cheers, Michiel

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Hello Chris,

On Tuesday February 28 2023 01:47, you wrote to me:

Here, on Windos 11, Notepad does not require a BOM.

My point was not that Notepad requires a BOM, but that it adds a
BOM.

It does not default add a BOM either.

OK, that is what I wanted to know.

Cheers, Michiel

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