Venus, Innana and so on...
Sailor Moon is targeted as somewhat of modern representation of following mythology) if you suspect something or know anything write about it!
6. Daughters of those from groups above!
inform inform inform!
Hi,
Can it be made the default in new synchronet installs, new users can not post >in
echomail areas?
Bye, Wilfred.
Can it be made the default in new synchronet installs, new users can
not post in echomail areas?
Possible, yes, but:
1. wouldn't change the configuration hundreds of existing Synchronet installs
2. would open a FAQ for me answer: How come my users can't post on echomail areas?
3. sysops that unknowingly verify nut-job bulk posting users would end
up with the same result
Venus, Innana and so on...
Sailor Moon is targeted as somewhat of modern representation of
following
mythology) if you suspect something or know anything write about it!
6. Daughters of those from groups above!
inform inform inform!
Can it be made the default in new synchronet installs, new users can
not post in echomail areas?
That's something that sysops should decide.
there's no way to know when someone's going to be posting crazy shit.
also this guy wasn't overly harmful or damaging to the network.
it's up to the sysop to police their own bbs. you can't do it all for them.
also this guy wasn't overly harmful or damaging to the network.
There have been multiple posts in different echomail areas, by "different" users, from different systems, for weeks now, all with the same content. I find it annoying.
it's up to the sysop to police their own bbs. you can't do it all for them.
Of course. And as I said above, I'm not asking to limit the sysops options, just change a default setting in new installations. It's probably an easy change, and can prevent new inexperienced sysops, from having their systems abused by these kind of spammers (or bots).
also this guy wasn't overly harmful or damaging to the network.
There have been multiple posts in different echomail areas, by "different"
users, from different systems, for weeks now, all with the same content. I
find it annoying.
are you a sysop? you can use your twitfilter to block them.
that's the best way to do it. as a sysop you decide what you have on
your system.
it's up to the sysop to police their own bbs. you can't do it all
for them.
Of course. And as I said above, I'm not asking to limit the sysops options,
just change a default setting in new installations. It's probably an easy
change, and can prevent new inexperienced sysops, from having their systems
abused by these kind of spammers (or bots).
Are they spammers bots or real people? i thought they were real
people.
having people blocked by default from posting is something that should
be a sysop decision, not a default bbs setting.
There have been multiple posts in different echomail areas, by "different" users, from different systems, for weeks now, all with the same content. I find it annoying.
On 2024-05-16 06:57:09, you wrote to me:
Are the average new Synchronet sysops that stupid, they don't check their settings before asking such questions?
And can't you have different default settings for verified/approved users?
Bye, Wilfred.
but to see all the future "why cant my users post in message groups" messages would probably annoy many people.
Are the average new Synchronet sysops that stupid, they don't check
their settings before asking such questions?
And can't you have different default settings for verified/approved users?
No I dont think we are that stupid.
I will admit I had a spam user get access to my fidonet areas. I have since locked it all down. Maybe in your infinite wisdom, you could recommend a way to validate users so they can have access to Fidonet Message bases??
Are the average new Synchronet sysops that stupid, they don't check their settings before asking such questions?
and some of them may not even know what the crap echomail is much less
how to keep one guy who is posting about rfid chipped girls out of it.
It's the responsability of the originating systems sysop what they allow to be send into the net from their system. Certainly if they have the means to control it. It's rediculus to make it everybody elses problem...
having people blocked by default from posting is something that should be a sysop decision, not a default bbs setting.
Whatever the default is, it is still the sysops decision, how he sets this setting.
No I dont think we are that stupid. I will admit I had a spam user get access to my fidonet areas. I have since locked it all down. Maybe in your infinite wisdom, you could recommend a way to validate users so they can have access to Fidonet Message bases??
The time between creating an account and getting approved to post in echomail areas, is probably already enough to deter most spammers/bots.
And they are probably not going to fill in real verifiable info, so they would be easy to spot. And it's not worth to go to all the effort for them to get approved, for such a limited audience. It's a (big) numbers game for them...
also that msg you are quoting is from a long time ago, right.
do you not know how to twitfilter?
do you not know how to twitfilter?
Of course I do. But that is not fixing the problem. And it's just a temporary "fix" until they log in with a different name...
3. The ^^ above mentioned person needs to arrange that every Sysop check in once weekly in the Sysop area so that everyone can keep on point,
If they miss a check-in and/or a couple follow up messages they
should be put on hold until they pay attention..
kk4qbn wrote to Wilfred van Velzen <=-
Re: Re: Fwd: Girls got chip planted without them knowing it
By: Wilfred van Velzen to MRO on Fri May 17 2024 09:27:09
do you not know how to twitfilter?
Of course I do. But that is not fixing the problem. And it's just a temporary "fix" until they log in with a different name...
Really, all it boils down to is the Sysops AND the EC,
Moderators, or whatever title the person who provides the mail to
the sysops not running the networks correctly..
1. If the EC, Moderato, or whatever title of the day detects a
message they do not see fit, they need to delete it before it
goes further downsteam and notify the offending systems sysop
so it can be remedied.
2. This EC, Moderator, title of the day, or whatever they call
themselves need
to login and check on their message bases more than once a
week, should
really be daily.. some of these people you cannot even get
ahold of..
if they cannot do this, something needs to be remedied to
replace them.
if that is'nt an option, then the network should be considered obsolete.
3. The ^^ above mentioned person needs to arrange that every
Sysop check in once weekly in the Sysop area so that everyone
can keep on point, If they
miss a check-in and/or a couple follow up messages they should
be put on
hold until they pay attention..
Heck.. thats really about it.. It's not a "Dumb" sysop issue,
It's a "Lazy" sysop issue. and the main issues is with some of
the upstream hubs, etc who do not correctly maintain their
message networks. whether it be an FTN, QWK, etc.
A simple structure should be laid out by that EC, and explained
to every Sysop that gets a feed from that EC.
3. The ^^ above mentioned person needs to arrange that every Sysop check
in once weekly in the Sysop area so that everyone can keep on point,
If they miss a check-in and/or a couple follow up messages they should
be put on hold until they pay attention..
do we get pop and pizza?
You don't have a good understanding of how modern echomail distribution happens.
When messages arrive at a hub, they are sent out to that hub's downlinks in a matter of seconds. Yes, seconds. There is ZERO chance that the NC (the correct "title") is going to catch/stop an offending message. ZERO. They come in, and immediately go back out to downlinks. Even if the RC/NC was sitting at the computer with his hands on the keyboard, they could not stop the message from going downstream.
LOL ... While some of the above is certainly true, "checking on their message bases" would have nothing to do with catching/stopping an offensive message. It can't be done.
kk4qbn wrote to Wilfred van Velzen <=-
1. If the EC, Moderato, or whatever title of the day detects a message they do not see fit, they need to delete it before it goes further downsteam and notify the offending systems sysop so it can be
remedied.
Ok, so your saying you have both you FTN and QWK networks set to CRASH anytime something comes in? really does'nt seem like something you would want to do with echomail.. maybe NETMAIL, but not echomail.. Now I have
Hi MRO,
On 2024-05-16 17:33:55, you wrote to me:
do you not know how to twitfilter?
Of course I do. But that is not fixing the problem. And it's just a temporary "fix" until they log in with a different name...
3. The ^^ above mentioned person needs to arrange that every Sysop c
in once weekly in the Sysop area so that everyone can keep on poi
do we get pop and pizza?
I dunno.. gott ask that person.. i'm not that person and never will be ever again :-) too much drama for me to deal with. but, if I were that person.. if it were a real get together instead of virtual.. sure..
pizza at pizza hut buffet.. just like we did in the 90's. it was a great time. ---
closest thing i got was a local volkswagen enthusiast club .. was a web foru with a pretty large community. we'd go on cruises out to the beach or the local raceway or whatever.. have bonfires.. good times. i guess a combo of facebook and a disconnect from the desktop pc killed that off. ah well.
kk4qbn wrote to Gamgee <=-
Re: Re: Fwd: Girls got chip planted without them knowing it
By: Gamgee to kk4qbn on Fri May 17 2024 07:49:00
You don't have a good understanding of how modern echomail distribution happens.
ok, Maybe not FTN.. but truly.. FTN isn't "Modern".. it was never
meant to be intantanious. as far as I know. except for netmail.
and that was in a best case scenario "back in the day"
When messages arrive at a hub, they are sent out to that hub's downlinks in a matter of seconds. Yes, seconds. There is ZERO chance that the NC (the correct "title") is going to catch/stop an offending message. ZERO. They come in, and immediately go back out to downlinks. Even if the RC/NC was sitting at the computer with his hands on the keyboard, they could not stop the message from going downstream.
Ok, so your saying you have both you FTN and QWK networks set to
CRASH anytime something comes in?
really does'nt seem like
something you would want to do with echomail.. maybe NETMAIL, but
not echomail..
Now I have been out of the BBS world since about
2016 or so, so if there is another method besides FTN, and QWK.
then yeah.. I have no idea.. but for qwk networks, especially
with the traffic we get anymore, I'm not polling anymore than 4
times daily..
and truthfully, I don't believe I will ever setup
another ftn network, lol I've been waiting close to two months to
hear back from someone on a qwk hub for a network that I have now
even forgot the name of because I've been waiting so long. I
don't really know about not having a good understanding of the
techonology I pretty much know how it works, even in todays
"modern" world.
just my opinion, and we all know about opinions,
modern echomail does'nt warrant instantanias transport. crash
your hub 15 times a day for 15 messages.. lol. If a sysop is'nt
doing that, they may every now and then catch a mistake, or spam
or something before it goes down stream.
It was just an idea. it's not perfect.. nothing perfect. the best
that can happen really is just twitlisting..
LOL ... While some of the above is certainly true, "checking on their message bases" would have nothing to do with catching/stopping an offensive message. It can't be done.
Ok.. if you say so..
at pizza hut buffet.. just like we did in the 90's. it was a great time.
that sort of thing is still cool imo. some of the ham radio clubs still do the bi-weekly (or whatever) breakfast type of thing.. and i see posts about vintage computer meetups in Cali on.. fidonet i think it was.
closest thing i got was a local volkswagen enthusiast club .. was a web forum with a pretty large community. we'd go on cruises out to the beach or the local raceway or whatever.. have bonfires.. good times. i guess a combo of facebook and a disconnect from the desktop pc killed that off. ah well.
There's a YouTube channel called VWLife, they just had a convoy of old VW busses crossing the southwest and going to Mexico, I think - hardy vehicles, those old buses. Seems like they used the channel to make a virtual club that can still get together and party...
Old buses get around 20 miles a gallon and have a 10 gallon tank, so you're stopping a lot. Just like the old cars I grew up in, on the trip they encountered finicky carbs, dirty fuel filters that starve the engine, bad spark plugs - even replacing an alternator along the way. Bonus points for him having a spare alternator...
My first 2 vehicles were VW Buses (1969 and 1970) and I can tell they are slow, dangerous hunks of junk. But 20 MPG? It think they did better than that (and I had dual carbs on each).
My first 2 vehicles were VW Buses (1969 and 1970) and I can tell they are slow, dangerous hunks of junk. But 20 MPG? It think they did better than that (and I had dual carbs on each).
I think the original VW Bus had the same engine used in the Beetle, didn't it? I could understand how the (larger) Bus would be slow..
Re: Re: Fwd: Girls got chip planted without them knowing it
By: Digital Man to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri May 17 2024 04:39 pm
My first 2 vehicles were VW Buses (1969 and 1970) and I can tell they are slow, dangerous hunks of junk. But 20 MPG? It think they did better than that (and I had dual carbs on each).
don't know 'but dat!
20mpg for a large vehicle is pretty good.
are you talking highway miles?
one of my cars is an older but still in great shape ford exploder.
i get like 13 mpg street and 18+ highway
Re: Re: Fwd: Girls got chip planted without them knowing it
By: Digital Man to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri May 17 2024 04:39 pm
My first 2 vehicles were VW Buses (1969 and 1970) and I can tell they are slow, dangerous hunks of junk. But 20 MPG? It think they did better than that (and I had dual carbs on each).
I think the original VW Bus had the same engine used in the Beetle, didn't it? I could understand how the (larger) Bus would be slow..
fusion wrote to kk4qbn <=-
i frequently watch people have chats in near realtime on FTN. it
wouldn't be unreasonable to implement a "scan for new messages forever" option on a BBS nowadays and just have it spew messages realtime.
fusion wrote to kk4qbn <=-
i frequently watch people have chats in near realtime on FTN. it wouldn't be unreasonable to implement a "scan for new messages forever" option on a BBS nowadays and just have it spew messages realtime.
Center of Awareness (CoA) was a BBS network that offered instaneous chat
and messaging, it was the brainchild of electronic chicken, if memory serves. Very cool tech that took BBS networking in a different
direction.
Center of Awareness (CoA) was a BBS network that offered instaneous chat
if it was so great why isn't it still around.
Re: Re: Fwd: Girls got chip planted without them knowing it
By: MRO to Kurt Weiske on Sun May 19 2024 17:34:47
Center of Awareness (CoA) was a BBS network that offered instaneous chat
if it was so great why isn't it still around.
Mainly due to difference of opinion about how it should work. I wanted to do it right, others wanted to half-ass it. I cared about privacy and security, others didn't. It was a project that I started with friends and didn't want to continue without consensus, so I gave up.
The core idea was sound - networked messages, chat, games, a few other things, with almost no configuration required - and it would still be here today if I wanted it to be. There was no shortage of interest from sysops.
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