Are there any 'proper' SSDs that plug directly into the Pi's USB-3.0
sockets? If so can anyone recommend particular makes/models? I only
need 32Gb (maybe 64Gb) but I'd like the extra reliability/life of an
SSD.

It's a bit of a minefield buying USB sticks I know (and micro SD
cards), I have several 'fake' capacity micro-SD cards.

Thus recommendations are useful.

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I'm using USB3-SATA-adapters caught via Ebay (before Covid days) driving Intenso-120G-SSDs with two Pi4s running Debian/Arm64 (NetBSD-9.99 and
-10_BETA before that). It just works and feels a lot faster than µSD
cards, but I never benchmarked it.

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yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> wrote:

I'm using USB3-SATA-adapters caught via Ebay (before Covid days) driving Intenso-120G-SSDs with two Pi4s running Debian/Arm64 (NetBSD-9.99 and -10_BETA before that). It just works and feels a lot faster than µSD
cards, but I never benchmarked it.

Too bulky, I just want something as tiny as possible to plug directly
into one of the USB3 sockets. The pi lives behind the control panel
on my boat and space is limited.

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On 11/12/2023 13:34, Chris Green wrote:

Are there any 'proper' SSDs that plug directly into the Pi's USB-3.0
sockets? If so can anyone recommend particular makes/models? I only
need 32Gb (maybe 64Gb) but I'd like the extra reliability/life of an
SSD.

It's a bit of a minefield buying USB sticks I know (and micro SD
cards), I have several 'fake' capacity micro-SD cards.

Thus recommendations are useful.

The SATA SSDS will plug in using a converter cable.

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The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 11/12/2023 13:34, Chris Green wrote:

Are there any 'proper' SSDs that plug directly into the Pi's USB-3.0 sockets? If so can anyone recommend particular makes/models? I only
need 32Gb (maybe 64Gb) but I'd like the extra reliability/life of an
SSD.

It's a bit of a minefield buying USB sticks I know (and micro SD
cards), I have several 'fake' capacity micro-SD cards.

Thus recommendations are useful.

The SATA SSDS will plug in using a converter cable.

As I said in response to another, too big really. I want the SSD drive
to be supported by the USB socket, this is in a rather confined space
behind an instrument panel. I.e. I want an SSD drive in a 'USB stick'
format.

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On 11/12/2023 16:00, Chris Green wrote:

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 11/12/2023 13:34, Chris Green wrote:

Are there any 'proper' SSDs that plug directly into the Pi's USB-3.0
sockets? If so can anyone recommend particular makes/models? I only
need 32Gb (maybe 64Gb) but I'd like the extra reliability/life of an
SSD.

...

As I said in response to another, too big really. I want the SSD drive
to be supported by the USB socket, this is in a rather confined space
behind an instrument panel. I.e. I want an SSD drive in a 'USB stick' format.

I 3d-printed a case that holds a Pi4 and a single 3.5" drive, although
the cable (actually all the cables) sticks out. I think it came from thingiverse. Reasonably compact and robust. I leave it hanging by a
string from the monitor stand when out and about.


https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3974307

(IIRC I had to make a shim to allow for a my hard drive; the SSD I have
spare is a bit slimmer.)

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Harlow, England

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Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:

As I said in response to another, too big really. I want the SSD drive
to be supported by the USB socket, this is in a rather confined space
behind an instrument panel. I.e. I want an SSD drive in a 'USB stick' format.

Look at the Sandisk Extreme Pro series. They're a USB stick containing a
real SATA SSD controller behind a USB to SATA bridge. That means they do
all the proper wear levelling etc that a SATA SSD does.

They're a bit pricey though: https://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-Extreme-Solid-State-Flash/dp/B01MU8TZRV/

One other thing to note is that the earlier versions (I have a collection of 16GB and 32GB sticks) can be a bit tetchy to boot some specific Intel
systems - since I often use them as installer or live-USB sticks this is annoying. I haven't tried booting a Pi off one.

Theo

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On 2023-12-11, Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:

Are there any 'proper' SSDs that plug directly into the Pi's USB-3.0
sockets? If so can anyone recommend particular makes/models? I only
need 32Gb (maybe 64Gb) but I'd like the extra reliability/life of an
SSD.

It's a bit of a minefield buying USB sticks I know (and micro SD
cards), I have several 'fake' capacity micro-SD cards.

Thus recommendations are useful.

USB3 <---> SATA adapters

The unpowered ones can usually be used with 2.5in spinning disks and
SSD's. For best performance, at one time you had to be careful to get
ones supporting UASP (USB Attached SCSI protocol). Dunno if they all do now. But even a 2.5in HD on non-uasp on USB2 adapter is far better than using
the SD card!

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Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:

As I said in response to another, too big really. I want the SSD drive
to be supported by the USB socket, this is in a rather confined space behind an instrument panel. I.e. I want an SSD drive in a 'USB stick' format.

Look at the Sandisk Extreme Pro series. They're a USB stick containing a real SATA SSD controller behind a USB to SATA bridge. That means they do
all the proper wear levelling etc that a SATA SSD does.

They're a bit pricey though: https://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-Extreme-Solid-State-Flash/dp/B01MU8TZRV/

Another thing to mention is there are adapters which will turn a 2230 or
2242 NVMe M.2 into a portly USB stick: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hausdec-SSD-Enclosure-Enclosure-External-Windows-Black/dp/B0C6K4SBJ1/

I've not tried them.

Theo

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Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:

As I said in response to another, too big really. I want the SSD drive
to be supported by the USB socket, this is in a rather confined space behind an instrument panel. I.e. I want an SSD drive in a 'USB stick' format.

Look at the Sandisk Extreme Pro series. They're a USB stick containing a real SATA SSD controller behind a USB to SATA bridge. That means they do
all the proper wear levelling etc that a SATA SSD does.

They're a bit pricey though: https://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-Extreme-Solid-State-Flash/dp/B01MU8TZRV/

One other thing to note is that the earlier versions (I have a collection of 16GB and 32GB sticks) can be a bit tetchy to boot some specific Intel
systems - since I often use them as installer or live-USB sticks this is annoying. I haven't tried booting a Pi off one.

Thanks, that's the sort of thing I wanted and information like this is
hard to come by.

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On Mon, 11 Dec 2023 15:01:09 +0000
Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:

Too bulky, I just want something as tiny as possible to plug directly
into one of the USB3 sockets. The pi lives behind the control panel
on my boat and space is limited.

USB/M2 NVMe enclosure perhaps - you'll want USB 3.2 10Gb/s to get
even close to the performance of the SSD.

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Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

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On 11/12/2023 13:34, Chris Green wrote:

Are there any 'proper' SSDs that plug directly into the Pi's USB-3.0
sockets? If so can anyone recommend particular makes/models? I only
need 32Gb (maybe 64Gb) but I'd like the extra reliability/life of an
SSD.

The Samsung T7 is a small format portable SSD with a built in USB 3
interface.

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On 11/12/2023 14:31, yeti wrote:

I'm using USB3-SATA-adapters caught via Ebay (before Covid days) driving Intenso-120G-SSDs with two Pi4s running Debian/Arm64 (NetBSD-9.99 and -10_BETA before that). It just works and feels a lot faster than µSD
cards, but I never benchmarked it.

Read Benchmarks hdparm -Ttv

Amazon basic SDCard : 40 MB/s
rpi5 fast SDCard : 75 MB/s
2.5 hdd via USB rpi4 : 96 MB/s
SSD via USB rpi4 : 137 MB/s
NVME opi5 : 186 MB/s

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On 12/11/23 8:34 AM, Chris Green wrote:

Are there any 'proper' SSDs that plug directly into the Pi's USB-3.0
sockets? If so can anyone recommend particular makes/models? I only
need 32Gb (maybe 64Gb) but I'd like the extra reliability/life of an
SSD.

It's a bit of a minefield buying USB sticks I know (and micro SD
cards), I have several 'fake' capacity micro-SD cards.

Thus recommendations are useful.

Hmm ... I've been using a Pi3 with a magnetic
Samsung 3tb USB/HDD for years. The Pi produces
just enough power. Never a prob.

And the drive is almost exactly the same size as
the Pi. I literally rubber-banded them together
and a 4" cable connects.

NOW, I'd rec a Samsung USB/SSD instead of the
magnetic, the price/TB is finally pretty good.

In either case you may want to write a little
Python script to ensure the drive always gets
mounted to the SAME place regardless of how
the BIOS sees it. In my app I find and umount
it after boot, then re-mount to a predictable
place. Not much code involved.

Anyway, what you're asking is VERY do-able. Has
been for several years.

As for "sticks" ... some last forever, others
die a horrible death almost immediately. Brand
is irrelevant. They are NOT good for mass long-
term storage. Mostly they're the latest version
of "sneaker-net". Oh, ever noticed how HOT
they get and NO heat-sinks. The real "stick" is
just a circuit-board maybe 8mmx10mm no matter
the physical size of the stick you buy.

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Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> wrote:

On 11/12/2023 14:31, yeti wrote:

I'm using USB3-SATA-adapters caught via Ebay (before Covid days) driving Intenso-120G-SSDs with two Pi4s running Debian/Arm64 (NetBSD-9.99 and -10_BETA before that). It just works and feels a lot faster than µSD cards, but I never benchmarked it.

Read Benchmarks hdparm -Ttv

Amazon basic SDCard : 40 MB/s
rpi5 fast SDCard : 75 MB/s
2.5 hdd via USB rpi4 : 96 MB/s
SSD via USB rpi4 : 137 MB/s
NVME opi5 : 186 MB/s

The extra speed of the SSD is nice but what I'm really after is the
greater robustness with lots of disk writes. This is going to be a
headless system which is inaccessible (in France) for most of the time
so long term reliability is the most important issue.

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On 11/12/2023 15:01, Chris Green wrote:

yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> wrote:

I'm using USB3-SATA-adapters caught via Ebay (before Covid days) driving
Intenso-120G-SSDs with two Pi4s running Debian/Arm64 (NetBSD-9.99 and
-10_BETA before that). It just works and feels a lot faster than µSD
cards, but I never benchmarked it.

Too bulky, I just want something as tiny as possible to plug directly
into one of the USB3 sockets. The pi lives behind the control panel
on my boat and space is limited.

The footprint of my PI is almost the same as an SSD. I am at the moment
working on 3D CAD to design a case for them

The USB to SATA cables are very short.

http://vps.templar.co.uk/Odds%20and%20Ends/server.png (3D CAD print)

Yes, it does increase the overall length of the unit a bit, but it
should fit behind a panel OK.

If you don't use a cable, you are going to extend the length even more
though. By at least the length of the SSD.


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druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:

On 11/12/2023 13:34, Chris Green wrote:

Are there any 'proper' SSDs that plug directly into the Pi's USB-3.0 sockets? If so can anyone recommend particular makes/models? I only
need 32Gb (maybe 64Gb) but I'd like the extra reliability/life of an
SSD.

The Samsung T7 is a small format portable SSD with a built in USB 3 interface.

USB 3 doesn't mean that it plugs directly into the USB socket on the
Pi though, that's what I'm really after.

I also only need 32Gb or so, I suppose much larger capacities give
more resilience but they really aren't useful. I'm currently using 9%
of a 32Gb micro SD card and that's unlikely to increase much.

I was hoping that someone would be making an 'SSD in a USB stick' but
there doesn't seem to be any such thing. The "SanDisk Extreme PRO
128GB USB 3.2" drives seem to be the nearest thing to what I want.

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On 11/12/2023 16:00, Chris Green wrote:
> I.e. I want an SSD drive in a 'USB stick'

format.

Tough shit then, because they aren't made in that format, and that would
be just as long as a U shaped cable folding back to place a standard SSD
right behind the Pi.

The best you will be able to do is a load of extra height and an NVME card.
And you may need a i 5 for that. I am not sure the interface used here
is available on earlier models

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXWu4SUsaY8

BUT if you are using the USB sockets AT ALL you will have to accomodate
cables, that will be just as bad as my suggested USB->SATA cable.

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On 12/12/2023 09:21, Chris Green wrote:

Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> wrote:

On 11/12/2023 14:31, yeti wrote:

I'm using USB3-SATA-adapters caught via Ebay (before Covid days) driving >>> Intenso-120G-SSDs with two Pi4s running Debian/Arm64 (NetBSD-9.99 and
-10_BETA before that). It just works and feels a lot faster than µSD
cards, but I never benchmarked it.

Read Benchmarks hdparm -Ttv

Amazon basic SDCard : 40 MB/s
rpi5 fast SDCard : 75 MB/s
2.5 hdd via USB rpi4 : 96 MB/s
SSD via USB rpi4 : 137 MB/s
NVME opi5 : 186 MB/s

The extra speed of the SSD is nice but what I'm really after is the
greater robustness with lots of disk writes. This is going to be a
headless system which is inaccessible (in France) for most of the time
so long term reliability is the most important issue.

Get an Orange Pi 5. They take a 2242 NVME drive on the back of the
board, but the board is about 10mm wider and longer than a Raspberry Pi.
The Opi5 is also low power, compared to a Raspberry Pi 5.

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On 2023-12-12, Chris Green wrote:

druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:

On 11/12/2023 13:34, Chris Green wrote:

Are there any 'proper' SSDs that plug directly into the Pi's USB-3.0
sockets? If so can anyone recommend particular makes/models? I only
need 32Gb (maybe 64Gb) but I'd like the extra reliability/life of an
SSD.

The Samsung T7 is a small format portable SSD with a built in USB 3
interface.

USB 3 doesn't mean that it plugs directly into the USB socket on the
Pi though, that's what I'm really after.

I don't understand this --- I've used a Samsung T7 (as mentioned in
another post a few minutes ago) and IME the supplied cable does plug
directly into the USB A socket.

I also only need 32Gb or so, I suppose much larger capacities give
more resilience but they really aren't useful. I'm currently using 9%
of a 32Gb micro SD card and that's unlikely to increase much.

I was hoping that someone would be making an 'SSD in a USB stick' but
there doesn't seem to be any such thing. The "SanDisk Extreme PRO
128GB USB 3.2" drives seem to be the nearest thing to what I want.

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Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:

On 2023-12-12, Chris Green wrote:

druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:

On 11/12/2023 13:34, Chris Green wrote:

Are there any 'proper' SSDs that plug directly into the Pi's USB-3.0
sockets? If so can anyone recommend particular makes/models? I only
need 32Gb (maybe 64Gb) but I'd like the extra reliability/life of an
SSD.

The Samsung T7 is a small format portable SSD with a built in USB 3
interface.

USB 3 doesn't mean that it plugs directly into the USB socket on the
Pi though, that's what I'm really after.

I don't understand this --- I've used a Samsung T7 (as mentioned in
another post a few minutes ago) and IME the supplied cable does plug
directly into the USB A socket.

What I mean is something like a USB stick that plugs straight into the
USB3 socket, no cable at all.

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Chris Green
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On 12/12/2023 18:21, Chris Green wrote:

Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:

On 2023-12-12, Chris Green wrote:

druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:

On 11/12/2023 13:34, Chris Green wrote:

Are there any 'proper' SSDs that plug directly into the Pi's USB-3.0 >>>>> sockets? If so can anyone recommend particular makes/models? I only >>>>> need 32Gb (maybe 64Gb) but I'd like the extra reliability/life of an >>>>> SSD.

The Samsung T7 is a small format portable SSD with a built in USB 3
interface.

USB 3 doesn't mean that it plugs directly into the USB socket on the
Pi though, that's what I'm really after.

I don't understand this --- I've used a Samsung T7 (as mentioned in
another post a few minutes ago) and IME the supplied cable does plug
directly into the USB A socket.

What I mean is something like a USB stick that plugs straight into the
USB3 socket, no cable at all.

But larger overall than a usb plug and bent cable. Which I just measured
on my rig as 30mm longer than the Pi, and giving much more flexibility
as to where the (SATA style) SSD is finally located.


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the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your hand is in
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On 2023-12-12, Chris Green wrote:

Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:

On 2023-12-12, Chris Green wrote:

druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:

On 11/12/2023 13:34, Chris Green wrote:

Are there any 'proper' SSDs that plug directly into the Pi's USB-3.0
sockets? If so can anyone recommend particular makes/models? I only
need 32Gb (maybe 64Gb) but I'd like the extra reliability/life of an
SSD.

The Samsung T7 is a small format portable SSD with a built in USB 3
interface.

USB 3 doesn't mean that it plugs directly into the USB socket on the
Pi though, that's what I'm really after.

I don't understand this --- I've used a Samsung T7 (as mentioned in
another post a few minutes ago) and IME the supplied cable does plug
directly into the USB A socket.

What I mean is something like a USB stick that plugs straight into the
USB3 socket, no cable at all.

Fair enough. (I don't know what the space looks like where you want to
keep the Pi running.)

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On 12/12/2023 09:29, Chris Green wrote:

druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:

On 11/12/2023 13:34, Chris Green wrote:

Are there any 'proper' SSDs that plug directly into the Pi's USB-3.0
sockets? If so can anyone recommend particular makes/models? I only
need 32Gb (maybe 64Gb) but I'd like the extra reliability/life of an
SSD.

The Samsung T7 is a small format portable SSD with a built in USB 3
interface.

USB 3 doesn't mean that it plugs directly into the USB socket on the
Pi though, that's what I'm really after.

I'm using 1TB one as a small NAS drive on a Pi 4, a very short cable
allows it to folder under the body of the Pi.

I also only need 32Gb or so, I suppose much larger capacities give
more resilience but they really aren't useful. I'm currently using 9%
of a 32Gb micro SD card and that's unlikely to increase much.

I was hoping that someone would be making an 'SSD in a USB stick' but
there doesn't seem to be any such thing. The "SanDisk Extreme PRO
128GB USB 3.2" drives seem to be the nearest thing to what I want.

I would go with that then.

The closest I've used in a 64GB Samsung bar USB stick. It's metal cased
but still gets very warm, gives close to USB connected SSD performance.
They last longer than an SD card or most other USB stick under heavy
use, but I did have one fail after 5 years.

---druck

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On 11 Dec 2023 at 13:34:03 GMT, Chris Green wrote:

Are there any 'proper' SSDs that plug directly into the Pi's USB-3.0
sockets? If so can anyone recommend particular makes/models? I only
need 32Gb (maybe 64Gb) but I'd like the extra reliability/life of an
SSD.

It's a bit of a minefield buying USB sticks I know (and micro SD
cards), I have several 'fake' capacity micro-SD cards.

Thus recommendations are useful.

Not an SSD - SanDisk 256GB Ultra Fit USB 3.2. These are certainly quick enough for everyday use - photos, files, videos. I use one on my iMac to store a
150GB Photos library - as quick as the internal SSD in use. Very cheap build, though, and about the size of a thumbnail, so easy to lose. But for £20, hey.


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