Hello All!

Using Bullseye X64 taken from the raspberry site,
I am compiling large-ish programs in C using gcc and this is producing many warning that is causing the created programs not to work so I want to install clang.

The issue with gcc always seems to appear when every that produce a later version :(

Using the repos and the package manager it cannot find clang and I cannot work out how to get it for the Pi4,

I have run clang in place of gcc on other platforms which gets around the issues with gcc so I am hoping it will fix the issue.

Can anyone help in getting clang on the Pi4 ?


Vincent

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On 08/12/2022 05:46, Vincent Coen wrote:

Hello All!

Using Bullseye X64 taken from the raspberry site,
I am compiling large-ish programs in C using gcc and this is producing many warning that is causing the created programs not to work so I want to install clang.

The issue with gcc always seems to appear when every that produce a later version :(

Using the repos and the package manager it cannot find clang and I cannot work
out how to get it for the Pi4,

I have run clang in place of gcc on other platforms which gets around the issues with gcc so I am hoping it will fix the issue.

Can anyone help in getting clang on the Pi4 ?

Does
apt list clang
show nothing at all?

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Hello Brian!

Thursday December 08 2022 20:49, you wrote to me:

On 08/12/2022 05:46, Vincent Coen wrote:

Hello All!

Using Bullseye X64 taken from the raspberry site,
I am compiling large-ish programs in C using gcc and this is
producing many warning that is causing the created programs not to
work so I want to install clang.

The issue with gcc always seems to appear when every that produce a
later version :(

Using the repos and the package manager it cannot find clang and I
cannot work out how to get it for the Pi4,

I have run clang in place of gcc on other platforms which gets
around the issues with gcc so I am hoping it will fix the issue.

Can anyone help in getting clang on the Pi4 ?

Does
apt list clang
show nothing at all?

For the Pi3B+ running 23 bit yes with -
Linux raspberrypi 5.15.76-v7+ #1597 SMP Fri Nov 4 12:13:17 GMT 2022 armv7l


For the Pi4B running x64 no with -
Linux raspberrypi 5.15.76-v8+ #1597 SMP PREEMPT Fri Nov 4 12:16:41 GMT 2022 aarch64


Vincent

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Vincent Coen <nospam.Vincent.Coen@f1.n250.z2.fidonet.org> wrote:

Can anyone help in getting clang on the Pi4 ?

Did you do an apt update first? But even if you didn't, it's been there for years, like druck said. On my raspios64 installation:

pi@home:~ $ apt-cache show clang
Package: clang
Source: llvm-defaults (0.51+nmu5)
Version: 1:11.0-51+nmu5
Installed-Size: 24
Maintainer: LLVM Packaging Team <pkg-llvm-team@lists.alioth.debian.org> Architecture: arm64
Replaces: clang (<< 3.2-1~exp2), clang-3.2, clang-3.3, clang-3.4 (<< 1:3.4.2-7~exp1), clang-3.5 (<< 1:3.5~+rc1-3~exp1)
Depends: clang-11 (>= 11~)
Breaks: clang-3.2, clang-3.3, clang-3.4 (<< 1:3.4.2-7~exp1), clang-3.5 (<< 1:3.5~+rc1-3~exp1)
Description-en: C, C++ and Objective-C compiler (LLVM based), clang binary
Clang project is a C, C++, Objective C and Objective C++ front-end
for the LLVM compiler. Its goal is to offer a replacement to the GNU
Compiler
Collection (GCC).
.
Clang implements all of the ISO C++ 1998, 11 and 14 standards and also
provides most of the support of C++17.
.
This is a dependency package providing the default clang compiler. Description-md5: 2916bca3b5e11836b745c64f4b346b34
Tag: devel::compiler, devel::lang:c, devel::lang:c++, devel::lang:objc,
devel::library, implemented-in::c, implemented-in::c++,
interface::commandline, role::devel-lib, role::program,
scope::application, works-with::software:source
Section: devel
Priority: optional
Filename: pool/main/l/llvm-defaults/clang_11.0-51+nmu5_arm64.deb
Size: 8872
MD5sum: d2574954109dca42ebeb7e6355585d97
SHA256: 033913468bb4fd82f5ee22d844ab5fe059f9ff0755cb23c6fffa9155e8ef2c56

pi@home:~ $ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main
contrib non-free
deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye-updates main contrib non-free
# Uncomment deb-src lines below then 'apt-get update' to enable 'apt-get source'
#deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye main contrib non-free
#deb-src http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main contrib non-free
#deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye-updates main contrib
non-free
pi@home:~ $

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nospam.Vincent.Coen@f1.n250.z2.fidonet.org (Vincent Coen) writes:

Using Bullseye X64 taken from the raspberry site,
I am compiling large-ish programs in C using gcc and this is producing many warning that is causing the created programs not to work so I want to install clang.

What are the warnings?

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Hello druck!

Thursday December 08 2022 21:41, you wrote to All:

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?


Vincent

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Vincent Coen wrote:

Hello druck!

Thursday December 08 2022 21:41, you wrote to All:

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> cHRpb25zIG9uIGJvdGgp Lg0KDQotLS1kcnVjaw0K

For no apparent reason the original was sent as base64 encoded, but thunderbird here displays it normally, I had to view source to see what you did.

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On 09/12/2022 21:33, Andy Burns wrote:

Vincent Coen wrote:

Hello druck!

Thursday December 08 2022 21:41, you wrote to All:

  >
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  > wqDCoGFw
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  > WZpbml0ZWx5
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For no apparent reason the original was sent as base64 encoded, but thunderbird here displays it normally, I had to view source to see what
you did.

AFAIK, Usenet does not require that MIME encoded messages are supported.

So it should not have been encoded in the first place. That some clients
- mainly those that are also Mail clients, which does support Mime -
are able to decode it is just luck.



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This makes me unfit for the company of people of a Left persuasion, and
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Hello The!

Saturday December 10 2022 10:12, you wrote to Andy Burns:

On 09/12/2022 21:33, Andy Burns wrote:

Vincent Coen wrote:

Hello druck!

Thursday December 08 2022 21:41, you wrote to All:

  >
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vMT   > Iv
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  > wIGlu
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  > wqDCoGFw
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  > WZpbml0ZWx5
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For no apparent reason the original was sent as base64 encoded, but
thunderbird here displays it normally, I had to view source to see
what you did.

AFAIK, Usenet does not require that MIME encoded messages are
supported.

So it should not have been encoded in the first place. That some
clients - mainly those that are also Mail clients, which does support
Mime - are able to decode it is just luck.

As I use Golded it does not support MIME.

It does have ROT-4 what ever that is - never used it.

Vincent

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On 08/12/2022 08:28, Vincent Coen wrote:

Hello Brian!

Thursday December 08 2022 20:49, you wrote to me:

> On 08/12/2022 05:46, Vincent Coen wrote:
>> Hello All!
>>
>> Using Bullseye X64 taken from the raspberry site,
>> I am compiling large-ish programs in C using gcc and this is
>> producing many warning that is causing the created programs not to
>> work so I want to install clang.
>>
>> The issue with gcc always seems to appear when every that produce a
>> later version :(
>>
>> Using the repos and the package manager it cannot find clang and I
>> cannot work out how to get it for the Pi4,
>>
>> I have run clang in place of gcc on other platforms which gets
>> around the issues with gcc so I am hoping it will fix the issue.
>>
>> Can anyone help in getting clang on the Pi4 ?

> Does
> apt list clang
> show nothing at all?

For the Pi3B+ running 23 bit yes with -
Linux raspberrypi 5.15.76-v7+ #1597 SMP Fri Nov 4 12:13:17 GMT 2022 armv7l

For the Pi4B running x64 no with -
Linux raspberrypi 5.15.76-v8+ #1597 SMP PREEMPT Fri Nov 4 12:16:41 GMT 2022 aarch64

That's weird. You'd think you'd at least be able to install the 32 bit
clang.

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Hello Brian!

Saturday December 10 2022 15:46, you wrote to me:

For the Pi3B+ running 23 bit yes with -
Linux raspberrypi 5.15.76-v7+ #1597 SMP Fri Nov 4 12:13:17 GMT 2022
armv7l


For the Pi4B running x64 no with -
Linux raspberrypi 5.15.76-v8+ #1597 SMP PREEMPT Fri Nov 4 12:16:41
GMT 2022 aarch64

That's weird. You'd think you'd at least be able to install the 32 bit clang.

On the Pi3 and 32 bi, yes I have installed clang.
The problem is with the 64 bit version.

This is teaching me that I really should be using Linux and not Debian.


Vincent

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On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 23:53:16 +1300,
nospam.Vincent.Coen@f1.n250.z2.fidonet.org (Vincent Coen) declaimed the following:

This is teaching me that I really should be using Linux and not Debian.

What do you consider "Linux"? Ubuntu? That's based off of Debian -- but Debian tends to lock down software packages until proven; Ubuntu tends to
be "bleeding edge" making all new packages available as soon as they get it compiled.

Red Hat or Fedora? Different package managers, but probably still the same OS core. Antique Mandrake/Mandriva -> Mageia (https://blog.mageia.org/en/2021/02/26/made-it-to-a-byte-announcing-the-release-of-mageia-8/)/OpenMandriva
(Red Hat derivatives).

Maybe download the .DEB file and manually install it? https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/arm64/clang/download



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On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 23:53:16 +1300
nospam.Vincent.Coen@f1.n250.z2.fidonet.org (Vincent Coen) wrote:

This is teaching me that I really should be using Linux and not Debian.

Linux is a kernel nothing more.

There are many operating systems using Linux for a kernel, Debian is one such, Android is another, OpenWRT yet another. Most of the unixlike
ones use the tools from the GNU project and a selection of other open source software to build a complete operating system around the kernel - many of
the smaller ones use busybox instead but some, like the OS that runs many
cheap smart TVs, look nothing like unix despite their Linux kernel.

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Vincent Coen <nospam.Vincent.Coen@f1.n250.z2.fidonet.org> wrote:

On the Pi3 and 32 bi, yes I have installed clang.
The problem is with the 64 bit version.

This is teaching me that I really should be using Linux and not Debian.

Raspberry Pi OS 64-bit has clang. Either you don't have Raspberry Pi OS, or
it is some other problem on your end. We all have it.

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On 10/12/2022 10:53, Vincent Coen wrote:

Hello Brian!

Saturday December 10 2022 15:46, you wrote to me:

>>
>>
>> For the Pi3B+ running 23 bit yes with -
>> Linux raspberrypi 5.15.76-v7+ #1597 SMP Fri Nov 4 12:13:17 GMT 2022
>> armv7l
>>
>>
>> For the Pi4B running x64 no with -
>> Linux raspberrypi 5.15.76-v8+ #1597 SMP PREEMPT Fri Nov 4 12:16:41
>> GMT 2022 aarch64
>>

> That's weird. You'd think you'd at least be able to install the 32 bit
> clang.

On the Pi3 and 32 bi, yes I have installed clang.
The problem is with the 64 bit version.

This is teaching me that I really should be using Linux and not Debian.

If you're using Debian then you are using Linux.

--
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On 09/12/2022 21:33, Andy Burns wrote:

Vincent Coen wrote:

Hello druck!

Thursday December 08 2022 21:41, you wrote to All:

[snip base64 encoded text]

For no apparent reason the original was sent as base64 encoded, but thunderbird here displays it normally, I had to view source to see what
you did.

Sorry, no idea why my copy of Thunderbird chose to do that then, I
assume it doesn't normally.

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Hello Brian!

Sunday December 11 2022 16:42, you wrote to me:

On 10/12/2022 10:53, Vincent Coen wrote:

Hello Brian!

Saturday December 10 2022 15:46, you wrote to me:

>>
>>
>> For the Pi3B+ running 23 bit yes with -
>> Linux raspberrypi 5.15.76-v7+ #1597 SMP Fri Nov 4 12:13:17 GMT
2022
>> armv7l
>>
>>
>> For the Pi4B running x64 no with -
>> Linux raspberrypi 5.15.76-v8+ #1597 SMP PREEMPT Fri Nov 4
12:16:41
>> GMT 2022 aarch64
>>

> That's weird. You'd think you'd at least be able to install the
32 bit
> clang.


On the Pi3 and 32 bi, yes I have installed clang.
The problem is with the 64 bit version.

This is teaching me that I really should be using Linux and not
Debian.

If you're using Debian then you are using Linux.

Should have said a formal version of Linux i.e., vis RH.

There are a few differences with Debian, at least with he one used for Raspberry h/w. The lack of up to date (or at all) packages on it.
I also notice a difference of what is available between Intel/AMD h/w and the Pi.

It is a shame that my attempts to use Ubuntu for the Pi failed both server
and desktop when I tried to build the Pi4 SSD some months back.

The Pi builds are some what related to schools, colleges etc as well as children's first computer et al so they are no whay near as complete as standard distro's as near as I can tell.


Major point, when I got to be 70 my patience for such problems has reduced,
and now I am 75+ its even less :)
I just want it to work - well more or less, period.
I expect to have to build the odd app but not the basics !

Vincent

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druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:

On 09/12/2022 21:33, Andy Burns wrote:

Vincent Coen wrote:

Hello druck!

Thursday December 08 2022 21:41, you wrote to All:

[snip base64 encoded text]

For no apparent reason the original was sent as base64 encoded, but thunderbird here displays it normally, I had to view source to see what
you did.

Sorry, no idea why my copy of Thunderbird chose to do that then, I
assume it doesn't normally.

This message was in the clear, although I see it was:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

so I wondered if a non 7-bit char had sneaked in there that caused TB to
switch to base64 for the troublesome message. I couldn't see one by
eyeballing it though.

tin interpreted the original with no problems. I'd guess the Fido Usenet gateway doesn't handle base64 messages correctly.

Theo

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In message <1670856387@f1.n250.z2.fidonet.org>
nospam.Vincent.Coen@f1.n250.z2.fidonet.org (Vincent Coen) wrote:

Hello Brian!

Sunday December 11 2022 16:42, you wrote to me:

On 10/12/2022 10:53, Vincent Coen wrote:

Hello Brian!

Saturday December 10 2022 15:46, you wrote to me:

>>
>>
>> For the Pi3B+ running 23 bit yes with -
>> Linux raspberrypi 5.15.76-v7+ #1597 SMP Fri Nov 4 12:13:17 GMT
2022
>> armv7l
>>
>>
>> For the Pi4B running x64 no with -
>> Linux raspberrypi 5.15.76-v8+ #1597 SMP PREEMPT Fri Nov 4
12:16:41
>> GMT 2022 aarch64
>>

> That's weird. You'd think you'd at least be able to install the
32 bit
> clang.


On the Pi3 and 32 bi, yes I have installed clang.
The problem is with the 64 bit version.

This is teaching me that I really should be using Linux and not
Debian.

If you're using Debian then you are using Linux.

[snip]

It is a shame that my attempts to use Ubuntu for the Pi failed both server and desktop when I tried to build the Pi4 SSD some months back.

The Pi builds are some what related to schools, colleges etc as well as children's first computer et al so they are no whay near as complete as standard distro's as near as I can tell.

Major point, when I got to be 70 my patience for such problems has reduced, and now I am 75+ its even less :)
I just want it to work - well more or less, period.
I expect to have to build the odd app but not the basics !

Vincent

I'm 77+, and now I've forgotten why I mentioned that :-(

Oh yes - I am currently using Ubuntu on a RPi4B+ 8Gb SSD, and I had no
problems installing a Server, then a Ubuntu Desktop, and it works
perfectly :-)


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From RISCOS 5.29 on a BeagleBoard-xM and Raspberry Pi3B
and Linux on a PandaBoard ES, Raspberry Pi3B+ and Pi4B+

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Hello Mark!

Tuesday December 13 2022 12:09, you wrote to me:

In message <1670856387@f1.n250.z2.fidonet.org>
nospam.Vincent.Coen@f1.n250.z2.fidonet.org (Vincent Coen)
wrote:

It is a shame that my attempts to use Ubuntu for the Pi failed both
server and desktop when I tried to build the Pi4 SSD some months
back.

The Pi builds are some what related to schools, colleges etc as well
as children's first computer et al so they are no whay near as
complete as standard distro's as near as I can tell.

Major point, when I got to be 70 my patience for such problems has
reduced, and now I am 75+ its even less :) I just want it to work -
well more or less, period. I expect to have to build the odd app but
not the basics !

I'm 77+, and now I've forgotten why I mentioned that :-(

Oh yes - I am currently using Ubuntu on a RPi4B+ 8Gb SSD, and I had no problems installing a Server, then a Ubuntu Desktop, and it works
perfectly :-)

That is interesting, Did you install 64 bit versions ?



Vincent

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In message <1670937911@f1.n250.z2.fidonet.org>
nospam.Vincent.Coen@f1.n250.z2.fidonet.org (Vincent Coen) wrote:

Hello Mark!

Tuesday December 13 2022 12:09, you wrote to me:

In message <1670856387@f1.n250.z2.fidonet.org>
nospam.Vincent.Coen@f1.n250.z2.fidonet.org (Vincent Coen)
wrote:

It is a shame that my attempts to use Ubuntu for the Pi failed both
server and desktop when I tried to build the Pi4 SSD some months
back.

The Pi builds are some what related to schools, colleges etc as well
as children's first computer et al so they are no whay near as
complete as standard distro's as near as I can tell.

Major point, when I got to be 70 my patience for such problems has
reduced, and now I am 75+ its even less :) I just want it to work -
well more or less, period. I expect to have to build the odd app but
not the basics !

I'm 77+, and now I've forgotten why I mentioned that :-(

Oh yes - I am currently using Ubuntu on a RPi4B+ 8Gb SSD, and I had no problems installing a Server, then a Ubuntu Desktop, and it works perfectly :-)

That is interesting, Did you install 64 bit versions ?

Vincent

64-bit...

Release 22.10(Kinetic Kudo) 64-bit
Kernal Linux 5.19.0-1009-raspi aarch64
MATE 41.26.0


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Mark J
From RISCOS 5.29 on a BeagleBoard-xM and Raspberry Pi3B
and Linux on a PandaBoard ES, Raspberry Pi3B+ and Pi4B+

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On 2022-12-12, Vincent Coen <nospam.Vincent.Coen@f1.n250.z2.fidonet.org> wrote:

If you're using Debian then you are using Linux.

Should have said a formal version of Linux i.e., vis RH.

There are a few differences with Debian, at least with he one used for Raspberry h/w. The lack of up to date (or at all) packages on it.
I also notice a difference of what is available between Intel/AMD h/w and the Pi.

It is a shame that my attempts to use Ubuntu for the Pi failed both server and desktop when I tried to build the Pi4 SSD some months back.

The Pi builds are some what related to schools, colleges etc as well as children's first computer et al so they are no whay near as complete as standard distro's as near as I can tell.

The Pi build of PiOS _IS_ basically Debian - with (AFAIK) all the
packages available that are available in Debian - which is pretty much
all major open sources software and lots and lots of minor OS software
as well. Just because it isn't installed in the base OS doesn't mean it
can't installed use apt aptitude or ap-get or the various GUI front
ends.

I'd be interested in any software in the standard RedHat respositories
that isn't available in the Debian Repo's.

The advantage of using the PiOS is that it is built to work on the Pi's.
32bit PiOS works across all versions of Pi's. If an installation of PiOS
isn't working on a Pi, then either the Pi is broken (it happens I had
one that wouldn't boot - got it replaced) or you messed up the software
post installation. I keep a fairly upto date PiOSlite SD card to test new
PI's, before trying it with anything else.

I just want it to work - well more or less, period.

In that case put PiOS on it - install the extra packages you need,
uninstall those you don't. And go to the RPI forums for support.In my
opinion there fairly good at supporting PiOS uses.


[PiOS lite is PiOS with no graphical stuff but everything you need load
what ever you want. It's probably a decent start for a headless server.]

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On 2022-12-13 13:09, Mark J wrote:

Oh yes - I am currently using Ubuntu on a RPi4B+ 8Gb SSD, and I had no problems installing a Server, then a Ubuntu Desktop, and it works
perfectly :-)

I also had a trouble free installation experience of Ubunbtu 20.04 LTS
server on a Pi4 8 GB on a SDcard


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/Björn

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On 2022-12-14 12:49, Björn Lundin wrote:

On 2022-12-13 13:09, Mark J wrote:

Oh yes - I am currently using Ubuntu on a RPi4B+ 8Gb SSD, and I had no
problems installing a Server, then a Ubuntu Desktop, and it works
perfectly :-)

I also had a trouble free installation experience of Ubunbtu 20.04 LTS
server on a Pi4 8 GB on a SDcard

I forgot to mention it is
64-bit


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/Björn

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Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> writes:

druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:

Sorry, no idea why my copy of Thunderbird chose to do that then, I
assume it doesn't normally.

This message was in the clear, although I see it was:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

so I wondered if a non 7-bit char had sneaked in there that caused TB to switch to base64 for the troublesome message. I couldn't see one by eyeballing it though.

00000070 74 69 6e 67 20 63 6c 61 6e 67 20 6f 6e 20 74 68 |ting clang on th| 00000080 65 20 50 69 34 20 3f 0d 0a 3e 20 0d 0a 3e 20 44 |e Pi4 ?..> ..> D| 00000090 6f 65 73 0d 0a 3e 20 20 c2 a0 c2 a0 c2 a0 c2 a0 |oes..> ........|
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
000000a0 61 70 74 20 6c 69 73 74 20 63 6c 61 6e 67 0d 0a |apt list clang..|

These are the Unicode NO-BREAK-SPACE character, replacing the tab in
Brian’s post.

tin interpreted the original with no problems. I'd guess the Fido Usenet gateway doesn't handle base64 messages correctly.

My spam filter drops base64-encoded messages since they are usually
binaries.

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Hello Björn!

Wednesday December 14 2022 12:50, you wrote to All:

On 2022-12-14 12:49, Björn Lundin wrote:

On 2022-12-13 13:09, Mark J wrote:

Oh yes - I am currently using Ubuntu on a RPi4B+ 8Gb SSD, and I had
no problems installing a Server, then a Ubuntu Desktop, and it
works perfectly :-)

I also had a trouble free installation experience of Ubunbtu 20.04
LTS server on a Pi4 8 GB on a SDcard

I forgot to mention it is
64-bit

Where did you get it from ?

Possibly my attempt was using an out of date copy at the wrong site :(


Vincent

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