• BLM Not endorsing Kamala

    From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to All on Thu Jul 25 18:30:22 2024
    "We do not live in a dictatorship. Delegates are not oligarchs. Installing Kamala Harris as the Democratic nominee and an unknown vice president without any public voting process would make the modern Democratic Party
    *a party of hypocrites""

    -- Black Lives Matter statement

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Thu Jul 25 23:28:28 2024
    "We do not live in a dictatorship. Delegates are not oligarchs. Installing Kamala Harris as the Democratic nominee and an unknown vice president without any public voting process would make the modern Democratic Party
    *a party of hypocrites""

    Hardly.

    Biden got the delegates but he is no longer seeking the nomination.

    Those delegates will now go to the place of their choosing. No dictators or oligarchs involved.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Fri Jul 26 10:16:00 2024
    "We do not live in a dictatorship. Delegates are not oligarchs. Installing >>Kamala Harris as the Democratic nominee and an unknown vice president without >>any public voting process would make the modern Democratic Party
    *a party of hypocrites""

    Hardly.

    Biden got the delegates but he is no longer seeking the nomination.

    Those delegates will now go to the place of their choosing. No dictators or oligarchs involved.

    Not my words. I have posted here regarding the 1968 DNC so I know how it works. Funny how you quoted that and removed the source.

    I think it is of interest that BLM, which 4 years ago helped
    Democrats win the election, are not falling in line and supporting Harris
    like everyone else seems to be.

    They are probably tired of the Democrats choosing their nominees before the primaries. In 2016, HRC ran while being in charge of the DNC pursestrings, which meant no other candidates got money, and Obama convinced Bided not to
    run against her, with the promise of a turn later.

    In 2020, they convinced other candidates, who had delegates, to leave the race early so that Biden could get his turn.

    In 2024, Biden ran as an incumbent, which meant no one of note wanted to
    run against him. He won, and then stepped aside in favor of someone else
    who wasn't even a choice on the ballot.

    That someone else ran in 2020 and got *NO* delegates of her own. Contrast
    that with Tulsi Gabbard, who ran without any real party support but still managed to win delegates.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Fri Jul 26 10:06:36 2024
    On 25 Jul 2024, Mike Powell said the following...


    "We do not live in a dictatorship. Delegates are not oligarchs. Installing Kamala Harris as the Democratic nominee and an unknown vice president without any public voting process would make the modern Democratic Party *a party of hypocrites""


    Democrat convention hasn't happened yet and I'm curious how they are going to do this...

    They are running out of options though.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to ALL on Fri Jul 26 21:00:50 2024
    The entity known as Mike Powell wrote something of no consequence -

    [..]

    -- Black Lives Matter statement

    What is the name of the entity who came up with that unsupported
    and unsubstantiated fictitious statement?

    The entity known as Mike Powell will not tell you.
    Why not?
    Because the entity known as Mike Powell made it up.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Fri Jul 26 16:27:08 2024
    Not my words.

    Nobody said it was "your words".

    Funny how you quoted that and removed the source.

    Why should I quote what you posted for all to read?

    In 2024, Biden ran as an incumbent, which meant no one of note wanted to
    run against him. He won, and then stepped aside in favor of someone else
    who wasn't even a choice on the ballot.

    Biden is not seeking re-election, he stated plainly his reasons.

    There is no contraversy around it.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to ALL on Sat Jul 27 05:19:20 2024
    In 2024, Biden ran as an incumbent, which meant no one of note wanted to run
    against him. He won, and then stepped aside in favor of someone else who wasn't even a choice on the ballot.

    Delegates are free to vote their conscience. That was true when
    Biden was on the ballot, and it remains true before the DNC. The
    last time delegates had to vote for their pledged candidate was
    in 1980, when President Jimmy Carter held his delegates to vote
    for him in the first round (he was challenged by Ted Kennedy).

    That someone else ran in 2020 and got *NO* delegates of her own.

    Kamala Harris did not compete in any primaries, dumbfuck.

    Contrast that with Tulsi Gabbard, who ran without any real party support but
    still managed to win delegates.

    Nobody cares about Tulsi Gabbard. She lost her bid, only managing
    to win a small handful of delegates. Harris has never lost an
    election of any kind. District Attorney, Attorney General, US
    Senator, Vice President, and soon to be President of the United
    States of America.

    How sweet it is!

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to IB JOE on Sat Jul 27 10:36:00 2024
    "We do not live in a dictatorship. Delegates are not oligarchs. Installing Kamala Harris as the Democratic nominee and an unknown vice president without any public voting process would make the modern Democratic Party *a party of hypocrites""

    Democrat convention hasn't happened yet and I'm curious how they are going to do this...

    They are running out of options though.

    I am also curious to see how it goes. With the Obamas throwing their
    support behind Kamala yesterday, I don't see how it can go another way.
    That said, I think that the Trump team is smart not to schedule a debate,
    or to engage with her too much in general, until after the convention.

    If they debate her before the convention, and it doesn't go well, the
    Democrats will just thrown her under the bus and go with yet another
    option. Glad they are waiting to see how this pans out.

    Supposedly, there is an HRC faction that may be pulling towards another candidate (don't know who) but I don't put much weight behind her against Obama's faction.

    Meanwhile, I do honestly believe that Vance and others just need to leave
    Joe alone. Let the Democrats take care of that. With Trump now being the o ldest person in the race, I don't think it is a good look.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Sat Jul 27 09:44:00 2024
    In 2024, Biden ran as an incumbent, which meant no one of note wanted to run against him. He won, and then stepped aside in favor of someone else who wasn't even a choice on the ballot.

    Biden is not seeking re-election, he stated plainly his reasons.

    He was. He should have stepped aside before the primaries were started, and certainly before they were over. Instead, you had a whole bunch of
    Democrats who knew better trying to tell America that he was ok.

    There is no contraversy around it.

    If you don't mind that your party will bow to pressure from celebrities
    then, yeah, there is no controversy. If you don't mind that your party will lie to you about the mental health of their presumptive candidate just to
    win an election, only to start telling the truth after he bombs in a debate, then yeah there is no controversy.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Sat Jul 27 12:15:30 2024
    If they debate her before the convention, and it doesn't go well, the Democrats will just thrown her under the bus and go with yet another option. Glad they are waiting to see how this pans out.

    How many times can white-out be applied to a bumper sticker? This will be yet another test for the American people ;)

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Sat Jul 27 13:29:16 2024
    On 27 Jul 2024, Mike Powell said the following...

    I am also curious to see how it goes. With the Obamas throwing their support behind Kamala yesterday, I don't see how it can go another way. That said, I think that the Trump team is smart not to schedule a debate, or to engage with her too much in general, until after the convention.

    If they debate her before the convention, and it doesn't go well, the Democrats will just thrown her under the bus and go with yet another option. Glad they are waiting to see how this pans out.

    Supposedly, there is an HRC faction that may be pulling towards another candidate (don't know who) but I don't put much weight behind her against Obama's faction.

    Meanwhile, I do honestly believe that Vance and others just need to leave Joe alone. Let the Democrats take care of that. With Trump now being
    the o ldest person in the race, I don't think it is a good look.



    I heard/read that the Obamas had someone else in mind... But Joe did an FU move by endorsing Kamala as soon as he did. It forced Barry's hand.

    They went from the frying pan into the fiure.

    I saw an FEC person on the News and they said that they just transfer money from Joe to Kamala... He said that Trump will need to fight it. There is nothing setup for this.

    I seen on YouTube that there are pictures of Joe. he's already dead.

    But Trump is up and running...

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Sat Jul 27 13:36:10 2024
    He was. He should have stepped aside before the primaries were started, and certainly before they were over. Instead, you had a whole bunch of
    Democrats who knew better trying to tell America that he was ok.

    He should have, he could have.. Biden is OK.

    There is no contraversy around it.

    If you don't mind that your party will bow to pressure from celebrities
    then, yeah, there is no controversy.

    What celebrity are you refering to?

    If you don't mind that your party will lie to you about the mental health of their presumptive candidate just to win an election, only to start telling the truth after he bombs in a debate,

    That is the republican party lies.

    then yeah there is no controversy.

    Agreed.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Sun Jul 28 08:41:00 2024
    If they debate her before the convention, and it doesn't go well, the Democrats will just thrown her under the bus and go with yet another option. Glad they are waiting to see how this pans out.

    How many times can white-out be applied to a bumper sticker? This will be yet >another test for the American people ;)

    I know people who are either so party loyal, or so anti the other party,
    that they would vote for an inanimate carbon rod if their party put one forward.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to IB JOE on Sun Jul 28 09:29:00 2024
    I heard/read that the Obamas had someone else in mind... But Joe did an FU move
    by endorsing Kamala as soon as he did. It forced Barry's hand.

    Could be, except the Obamas waited until it was pointed out, by
    Republicans, that Harris didn't have the Obama endorsement. Then they immediately endorsed her. I am not sure they cared so much what Biden did
    as they have more sway than him.

    Most people did seem shocked that he endorsed Harris instead of an open convention.

    I saw an FEC person on the News and they said that they just transfer money >from Joe to Kamala... He said that Trump will need to fight it. There is >nothing setup for this.

    The Florida East Coast railroad??? :D

    I am not sure about that. I have heard several sources mention that the
    money that Joe raised can go to Harris and only Harris. IIRC, the same
    thing happened in 1968 (Humphrey got LBJ's funds) but the law was quite possibly different back then.

    I seen on YouTube that there are pictures of Joe. he's already dead.

    The same people who were pushing "Joe is dead," the last time I saw it,
    claimed he died in Vegas. They were the same people who only a short few
    days before were showing video of Biden, post-Vegas, and complaining that
    he wasn't wearing a mask.

    Jill is supposedly pissed at the Dems for making Joe step down, so I doubt she'd put up with a charade if he was dead.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Sun Jul 28 09:52:00 2024
    He was. He should have stepped aside before the primaries were started, and >> certainly before they were over. Instead, you had a whole bunch of
    Democrats who knew better trying to tell America that he was ok.

    He should have, he could have.. Biden is OK.

    If he is OK mentally, why were so many Democrats and supporters calling for
    him to step down? Did you miss that?

    There is no contraversy around it.

    If you don't mind that your party will bow to pressure from celebrities then, yeah, there is no controversy.

    What celebrity are you refering to?

    After the debate, the following celebrities (and this is not all of them) started pressuring the party to ask Biden to step down.

    George Clooney wrote an op-ed in the New York Times questioning Biden's
    age and mental state, and asking him to step down. He admitted that Biden
    had been showing signs of decline even before the debate.

    The day after the debate, the panel of the tv talk show "The View"
    collectively asked during their show that he step down.

    Susan Sarandon, in an interview in Variety, asked for him to step down,
    stating that the reason "should be obvious."

    Rob Reiner and Stephen King, per Newsweek, both posted on social media that
    it was time for Biden to step down. Per Newsweek, actor John Cusack also
    asked for Biden to step down.

    Michael Moore, during an MSNBC interview, accused the Democrat Party of
    "elder abuse" and asked "Why did they let him go out on the (debate) stage in this condition?" He suggested that Biden step down.

    In a statement made to CNBC, Disney heiress and Democrat donor Abigail Disney asked for him to step down and suggested that donors should stop contibuting
    to the party until he did so.

    The Obamas are no longer in politics (supposedly) so I would throw them into the celebrity category as well.

    If you don't mind that your party will lie to you about the mental health of
    their presumptive candidate just to win an election, only to start telling the truth after he bombs in a debate,

    That is the republican party lies.

    Prove to me that Clooney, the Obamas, HRC, Pelosi, and several other *Democrats*, who requested that he step down because of his mental health,
    are *Republicans* and I will have to agree with you.

    Prove to me that Clooney was the only Democrat/celebrity/donor smart enough to figure out that something was amiss before the debate and I will have to agree with you.

    Otherwise, only someone with an agenda, their head in the sand, or some cognitive problems of their own believes that Biden was A-OK right up until
    the debate.


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Sun Jul 28 13:49:32 2024
    He should have, he could have.. Biden is OK.

    If he is OK mentally, why were so many Democrats and supporters calling for him to step down? Did you miss that?

    He stated his reasons for stepping down plainly. You don't have to guess.

    What celebrity are you refering to?

    After the debate, the following celebrities (and this is not all of them) started pressuring the party to ask Biden to step down.

    I don't follow these celebs and I didn't know about that. It kinda makes Hulk Hogan look small doesn't it.

    The Obamas are no longer in politics (supposedly) so I would throw them into the celebrity category as well.

    No, the Obamas have never done anything "Celebrity", they are politicians.

    That is the republican party lies.

    Prove to me that Clooney, the Obamas, HRC, Pelosi, and several other *Democrats*, who requested that he step down because of his mental health, are *Republicans* and I will have to agree with you.

    These celebrities have different talking points than republicans.

    Republicans continue to talk (lie) without any facts.

    Otherwise, only someone with an agenda, their head in the sand, or some cognitive problems of their own believes that Biden was A-OK right up until the debate.

    Biden was/is OK. He didn't have a good debate but in spite of that he is OK.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to ALL on Mon Jul 29 03:12:48 2024
    [..]

    I am also curious to see how it goes. With the Obamas throwing their support behind Kamala yesterday, I don't see how it can go another way.

    The delegates at the DNC choose the nominee. Not Biden, or Obama,
    or any other non-delegate.

    That said, I think that the Trump team is smart not to schedule a debate, or
    to engage with her too much in general, until after the convention.

    What the entity known as Mike Powell is trying to say is Trump
    is too chickenshit to debate Harris - even though the debate on
    September 10 had already been agreed upon by all parties.

    What a sore loser.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Mon Jul 29 09:47:00 2024
    Otherwise, only someone with an agenda, their head in the sand, or some cognitive problems of their own believes that Biden was A-OK right up until the debate.

    Biden was/is OK. He didn't have a good debate but in spite of that he is OK.

    As I said, only someone... with cognitive problems of their own...


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Mon Jul 29 14:11:12 2024
    Biden was/is OK. He didn't have a good debate but in spite of that he is OK.

    As I said, only someone... with cognitive problems of their own...

    I see the strength of the economy under the Biden administration.

    The economy did not do as well under Trump.

    Biden is not a problem. DJT is a problem. Project2025 is a problem.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Alan Ianson on Wed Jul 31 04:25:44 2024
    I see the strength of the economy under the Biden administration.
    Fantasy Island was a great TV show.
    The Biden Administration has demonstrated Incredible Weakness.
    Would you like examples?

    The economy did not do as well under Trump.
    I could facts and stats of the Trump Era vs Biden Era.
    Instead, I will simply say PUSU.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Gregory Deyss on Thu Aug 1 06:01:32 2024
    I see the strength of the economy under the Biden administration.
    Fantasy Island was a great TV show.

    I agree, it was a great show but that is not what we are talking about.

    The Biden Administration has demonstrated Incredible Weakness.
    Would you like examples?

    The Biden administration has shown strength. The US economy is at an all time high because of that strength.

    I've seen your examples any they prove nothing.

    The economy did not do as well under Trump.
    I could facts and stats of the Trump Era vs Biden Era.
    Instead, I will simply say PUSU.

    The facts are in now. I don't need to put up anything, just have a look.

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Aug 1 07:36:14 2024
    Re: Re: BLM Not endorsing Kam
    By: Aaron Thomas to Mike Powell on Sat Jul 27 2024 12:15 pm

    How many times can white-out be applied to a bumper sticker? This will be ye another test for the American people ;)

    Apply WD-40, wait 30 seconds, then peel off. Works for bumper stickers from both parties.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Alan Ianson on Sun Aug 4 20:17:02 2024
    On 01 Aug 2024, Alan Ianson said the following...

    I see the strength of the economy under the Biden administration.
    Fantasy Island was a great TV show.

    I agree, it was a great show but that is not what we are talking about.

    The Biden Administration has demonstrated Incredible Weakness.
    Would you like examples?

    The Biden administration has shown strength. The US economy is at an all time high because of that strength.

    I've seen your examples any they prove nothing.

    The economy did not do as well under Trump.
    I could facts and stats of the Trump Era vs Biden Era.
    Instead, I will simply say PUSU.

    The facts are in now. I don't need to put up anything, just have a look.
    There is nothing to show, and if you can't provide the facts that support the narrative or your point(s) then it is a baseless claim and words that mean absolutely nothing.

    The truth is that Biden sucked on just about everything, and now poor Kamala wants to re-event her image, hiding from her history and her previous responsibility as border zar. (she sucked so badly at this) this is a title that she as well as the media want to erase. (so be mindful) of also denying this because I will provide a video that will lock this in permanently.
    She wants the American people to look and treat her differently - then what her nasty past actually shows.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Gregory Deyss on Sun Aug 4 21:25:50 2024
    The facts are in now. I don't need to put up anything, just have a look.
    There is nothing to show, and if you can't provide the facts that support the narrative or your point(s) then it is a baseless claim and words that mean absolutely nothing.

    I don't have any facts to add, these facts are avialable to anyone/everyone.

    Example, the economy is 10% larger under Biden than Trumps pre-pandemic peak.

    The truth is that Biden sucked on just about everything, and now poor Kamala wants to re-event her image, hiding from her history and her previous responsibility as border zar.

    The border zar eh!?

    There is no such thing as a border czar. Never was.

    (she sucked so badly at this) this is a title
    that she as well as the media want to erase. (so be mindful) of also denying this because I will provide a video that will lock this in permanently.

    I've seen the video, I've heard all the talking points.

    She wants the American people to look and treat her differently - then what her nasty past actually shows.

    Trump is still struggling to attack Kamala. Maybe instead of attacking he can present his platform and compare it to the democrats platform.

    Donald Trump and really, the republican party have nothing to run on, no accomplishments.

    The platform seems to be Fight, Fight, Fight. I dunno if that will get them anywhere at all.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Gregory Deyss on Mon Aug 5 07:11:00 2024
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

    There is nothing to show, and if you can't provide the facts that
    support the narrative or your point(s) then it is a baseless claim and words that mean absolutely nothing.

    Since when has a lack of facts stopped Alan? If they don't have any facts, they just make them up or try to tell you that "fact that proves your point" is really "fact that proves their point".

    previous responsibility as border zar. (she sucked so badly at this)

    I thought the whole reason she was in her position was because she sucked so well. Oh! Sorry, different topic. :)

    this is a title that she as well as the media want to erase.

    The "memory hole" is becomming very clear to people now as the Propaganda Ministry buries stories that don't help the Elitists.

    Remember how a past president was almost assassinated? You'd never know listening to the Propaganda Ministry.


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Alan Ianson on Mon Aug 5 18:01:58 2024
    There is no such thing as a border czar. Never was.
    I told you that I was gonna show you the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLhDr-XHt7Q
    On March 24, 2021 Joe Biden said the following
    "I can think of nobody who is better qualified to do this."
    "She is leading the effort."
    "She knows what she is doing."
    Here again is the FULL VIDEO of that day March 24, 2021 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLhDr-XHt7Q

    There are undocumented immigrants on the State Departments Terror Watch List as well on the FBI Terror Watch list.

    On Harris's X account (formerly twitter) on 04/21/17 @ 7:38 pm she had this to say "An undocumented immigrant is not a criminal"
    and yet undocumented immigrants have killed many Americans, including Police.

    Documented cases undocumented illegal immigrants committing heinous acts dating from 2024 to 2007 https://www.fairus.org/issue/examples-serious-crimes-illegal-aliens

    There is NO escaping this truth and there is NO MORE denying or hiding from this, nonetheless, I know you will still try, It is rather foolish, to deny
    this, especially when there factual evidence to the contrary.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Gregory Deyss on Mon Aug 5 23:52:38 2024
    There is no such thing as a border czar. Never was.
    I told you that I was gonna show you the video.

    I told you I have already seen the video and heard the talking points.

    On Harris's X account (formerly twitter) on 04/21/17 @ 7:38 pm she had this to
    say "An undocumented immigrant is not a criminal"

    So it is.

    and yet undocumented immigrants have killed many Americans, including Police.

    Undocumented immigrants commit crimes at much lower rates than natural born citizens. This is old news.

    Documented cases undocumented illegal immigrants committing heinous acts datin >from 2024 to 2007 https://www.fairus.org/issue/examples-serious-crimes-illegal
    aliens

    There is NO escaping this truth and there is NO MORE denying or hiding from this, nonetheless, I know you will still try, It is rather foolish, to deny this, especially when there factual evidence to the contrary.

    The fact is, and we know this, that undocumented immigrants commit crimes at lower rates than others.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Alan Ianson on Tue Aug 6 04:11:46 2024
    I told you I have already seen the video and heard the talking points.
    You're not telling me anything, this is far more than mere talking points. This is the order that you said did not exist.

    Undocumented immigrants commit crimes at much lower rates than natural born citizens. This is old news.
    So that makes it ok eh?
    You think the families of the deceased care the rate?
    How about? their deaths were completely avoidable.
    How about holding those that were irresponsible and did nothing to stop it. They are ALL going back.. Every last one of them...

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Gregory Deyss on Tue Aug 6 14:42:54 2024
    Undocumented immigrants commit crimes at much lower rates than natural
    born citizens. This is old news.
    So that makes it ok eh?
    You think the families of the deceased care the rate?
    How about? their deaths were completely avoidable.
    How about holding those that were irresponsible and did nothing to stop it.

    There are remedies in the law.

    They are ALL going back.. Every last one of them...

    That's what I see in project2025.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Alan Ianson on Tue Aug 6 18:27:02 2024
    On 06 Aug 2024, Alan Ianson said the following...

    Undocumented immigrants commit crimes at much lower rates than natural >> born citizens. This is old news.
    So that makes it ok eh?
    You think the families of the deceased care the rate?
    How about? their deaths were completely avoidable.
    How about holding those that were irresponsible and did nothing to stop i

    There are remedies in the law.

    The law? Yes I am very much a law biding citizen too.
    These crimes - including MURDER have been already been committed.
    The law.. within my reference is a after-thought.
    What was the answer, is still the answer for the future.
    SECURE THE BORDER!!! I am not talking about ending asylum-seeking program. People sneaking into the country must end, and the gotta aways must end too.

    Not everyone who comes the U.S. from the south of border is a criminal, but there more then a few;
    there would have to be (more then just a few bad apples) to account for all the tragedies that have occurred.

    They are ALL going back, every single one of them who entered illegally!

    Countries that they are coming from must bare responsibility as well, it can be assumed that they don't want these people either.

    Kill two birds with one stone, get rid of their problem people out of their country and send then to the U.S. and let us deal with them.

    That is one of the things that the useless Vice President was talking about when she was talking about finding the root causes, as per usual she did not finish what she started. She was infective as she is unqualified, to spite what Joe Biden thought he knew when he put Kamala Harris in charge of the border aka Border Czar.

    There must be a process to vet these people.
    The Biden Administration has not handled the border effectively or efficiently.. The Homeland Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas tells us with his wide Cuban eyes that the border is secure, no it's not secure, not even remotely
    secure. If it was then none of these heinous acts would be occurring.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Gregory Deyss on Tue Aug 6 21:42:24 2024
    There are remedies in the law.

    The law? Yes I am very much a law biding citizen too.
    These crimes - including MURDER have been already been committed.

    Sure, crimes have been committed. There are remedies for that.

    The law.. within my reference is a after-thought.
    What was the answer, is still the answer for the future.
    SECURE THE BORDER!!! I am not talking about ending asylum-seeking program. People sneaking into the country must end, and the gotta aways must end too.

    Biden was ready to sign the negotiated border deal. It was killed by republicans at DJT's request.

    Not everyone who comes the U.S. from the south of border is a criminal, but there more then a few; there would have to be (more then just a few bad apples) to account for all the tragedies that have occurred.

    There are remedies for that, in the law.

    They are ALL going back, every single one of them who entered illegally!

    That is what I keep hearing from republicans.

    Countries that they are coming from must bare responsibility as well, it can be assumed that they don't want these people either.

    Countries don't send people away. Some choose to go elsewhere.

    Kill two birds with one stone, get rid of their problem people out of their country and send then to the U.S. and let us deal with them.

    That is not happening.

    That is one of the things that the useless Vice President was talking about when she was talking about finding the root causes, as per usual she did not finish what she started. She was infective as she is unqualified, to spite what Joe Biden thought he knew when he put Kamala Harris in charge of the border aka Border Czar.

    Harris was never border czar, although that sounds good it is not a thing.

    There must be a process to vet these people.

    There is.

    The Biden Administration has not handled the border effectively or efficiently.. The Homeland Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas tells us with his wide Cuban eyes that the border is secure, no it's not secure, not even remotely secure. If it was then none of these heinous acts would be occurring.

    The democrats also tried to put more border gaurds in place, that was also shot down by republicans.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Alan Ianson on Wed Aug 7 04:24:00 2024
    Biden was ready to sign the negotiated border deal. It was killed by republicans at DJT's request.
    That excuse is not going to work. Did Trump need permission from anyone for the stay in Mexico policy. No. All Biden had to put these policies back to action, he never should touched or changed it - he Biden - opened up the floodgates
    allowing the 7.2 million illegals in the U.S.


    There must be a process to vet these people.

    There is.
    No there is not this is why they are called undocumented.

    The democrats also tried to put more border gaurds in place, that was
    also shot down by republicans.

    The Democrats are using these people for votes. why wouldn't they vote for democrats, they are getting free everything when they come here.
    housing, health care, education for the young, food, social security.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Alan Ianson on Wed Aug 7 16:41:18 2024
    On 07 Aug 2024, Alan Ianson said the following...

    Biden was ready to sign the negotiated border deal. It was killed by
    republicans at DJT's request.
    That excuse is not going to work.

    That is not an excuse. Biden was going to sign the deal before DJT
    killed it.
    Biden was and currently is the President.
    There is no proof of what your stating - DJT killed it?
    I don't know how things work in Canada, but here in America a previous President has no such ability to tell the current President anything...
    - especially a previous former Republican President....
    (Your not thinking this through) [no surprise there] if this was remotely true CNN to P_MS_NBC and every other garbage liberal network would of had a field day with such news, there would of been a public outcry from the Democratic influenced cities to the tune of them Burning from within.
    It would of caused epic shockwaves through the nation from NY to Los Angeles and of course there would been Fully Fledged Riots in in every urban street in America.
    Oh and it wouldn't end there... Every liberal news organization would be breaking into regular programming for 2 to 3 hour segments, with Blowhard panels on CNN all looking smug and grinning from ear to ear.

    No Alan this did not happen, so come back down to Penticton, BC Canada...

    There *ARE* two different possibilities though...
    1. You are really that dumb.
    or
    2. Your area has some really exceptional weed.

    Either way you're making this stuff up as you go along, but why?
    Just to blame Trump for something that he had no part in whatsoever?
    Are you that desperate or is Biden such a horror show that you need to make up these distractions? it doesn't matter..
    Trump still lives rent free in your head.

    How about this... For more of a rational answer.
    Biden was weak on the border, his entire Presidency is and was a complete failure. But remember when the whitehouse spokesperson Karine Jean-Pierre that those embarrassing moments from the G7 of Biden wondering off and leaving the ceremony in France before it was concluded.

    Remember what she said?
    The White House has pushed back against recent videos of United States President Joe Biden, which critics have used to suggest that he is mentally and physically unfit for office. White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre has accused some of these videos of being cheap fakes, suggesting they have been edited to mislead viewers.

    Yeah, we and I think you all have called this the cheap fakes video. And thats exactly what they are. They are cheap fakes video. They are done in bad faith. And and some of your news organisation have have been very clear, have stressed that these right-wing the right-wing critics of the President have a credibility problem because of the fact checkers have repeatedly caught them pushing misinformation, disinformation, said Jean-Pierre in a press briefing.
    https://tinyurl.com/ydn9exe7

    THEN HE DROPS OUT OF THE RACE... Within days of his Debate debacle??
    No they weren't cheapfakes that was Biden being Biden.
    What ever happened to what they said about.
    "Mind sharp as a tac." and "He is hard to keep up with."
    All that was lie. He is out, but some mad reason he can still be President until November? How odd?

    Second Rate Kamala thinks she has a shot to beat Trump?
    The Fool.....
    1. She is running from her previous record, and everything that this clown has said and it will all come back to bite her in the.... well you know.
    2. She failed at her own Presidential run. She did not get any traction. Now... the media wants to make her the new "IT" girl of the Democratic party? They forgot to mention the "DIO" part in between the word IT..
    It's spelled IdioT. No glass ceiling this time..

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  • From paul lee@1:105/420 to Alan Ianson on Wed Aug 7 16:36:50 2024
    Biden was ready to sign the negotiated border deal. It was killed by republicans at DJT's request.

    It wasn't a border deal - it was a Ukraine deal.

    NO more $$ to wars. NO more $$ to other countries until theres not human poop on the street corners of every large U.S. city.
    San Francisco
    Portland
    New York
    Phoenix
    Chicago
    Sacramento
    Philadelphia
    Los Angeles
    Seattle
    Austin
    Raleigh
    Indianapolis
    Albuquerque
    Colorado Springs
    Atlanta
    Boston
    ...

    Freaking stains that echo what we get from a Harris ticket.



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  • From paul lee@1:105/420 to Gregory Deyss on Wed Aug 7 19:08:16 2024
    Biden was and currently is the President.

    Muahahahahhhahaah.

    Cmon dude - you can't believe that, right???



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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Wed Aug 7 21:32:48 2024
    It wasn't a border deal - it was a Ukraine deal.

    It was a great deal negotiated by Sen. James Lankford and others. It was not connected to Ukraine.

    Too bad it failed, life goes on.

    But you said it was killed by Trump; that's different from when a bill fails. A bill fails when it fails to reach the senate, or when it fails to pass the senate, or when the president vetoes it.

    (A bill doesn't "fail" when an ex-president uses sorcery to control members of congress.)

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Aug 7 20:52:56 2024
    It was a great deal negotiated by Sen. James Lankford and others. It was
    not connected to Ukraine.

    But you said it was killed by Trump; that's different from when a bill
    fails. A bill fails when it fails to reach the senate, or when it fails to pass the senate, or when the president vetoes it.

    Trump publicly asked congress to kill the bill and they obliged..

    What more can I say?

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to paul lee on Thu Aug 8 04:23:48 2024
    Cmon dude - you can't believe that, right???
    I don't know, what you think you know about me but I am definitely not a fan. Do I think someone else is pulling the strings, absolutely.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Gregory Deyss on Thu Aug 8 07:19:36 2024
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

    The Democrats are using these people for votes. why wouldn't they vote
    for democrats, they are getting free everything when they come here. housing, health care, education for the young, food, social security.

    The illegals don't know how to vote and won't go to a polling place anyway.

    What they are going is allowing them to get driver's licenses, and when doing that, registering them to vote. Now they are on the rolls. They pay someone of the illegal's ethnic group to go door-to-door and show them how to request a mail in ballot. The mole in the gov't know when the ballots go out, so the mule goes back to everyone's good and gets them to sign the ballot, but give him the ballot (probably for money).

    OMG media just put out a nice piece recently where this was happening in the Detroit area.

    And here's another kicker... The ballots are actually bid on (since they are not filled in yet - only signed) by candidates.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Thu Aug 8 08:09:02 2024
    But you said it was killed by Trump; that's different from when a bill fails. A bill fails when it fails to reach the senate, or when it fails pass the senate, or when the president vetoes it.

    Trump publicly asked congress to kill the bill and they obliged..

    Trump is a US citizen, just like me. I ask congress to do things sometimes, and sometimes they do what I ask, but they're not obligated to do what I say nor what former President Trump says.

    We have a phrase in the states that goes "write to your congressman." We call them, write them letters, send them emails, and we ask them to do what we think is right. And I'd ask congress to kill the bill too, because I don't want a bill that would have legalized thousands of illegal immigrants per day.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Aug 8 18:32:42 2024
    Trump publicly asked congress to kill the bill and they obliged..

    Trump is a US citizen, just like me. I ask congress to do things sometimes, and sometimes they do what I ask, but they're not obligated to do what I say nor what former President Trump says.

    Indeed, they obliged because they have all (most of them) fallen in line.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Aug 8 22:40:42 2024
    If what you're saying it true, and it's definitely not, then this means that Trump saved America from the legalization of thousands of illegal migrants per day.

    Trump has not/will not save America. It's up to American's to save themselves from Trump and his kind.

    Either way, Trump's a hero.

    Trump is a common criminal.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Sat Aug 10 10:39:00 2024
    But you said it was killed by Trump; that's different from when a bill fails. A bill fails when it fails to reach the senate, or when it fails
    pass the senate, or when the president vetoes it.

    Trump publicly asked congress to kill the bill and they obliged..

    Trump is a US citizen, just like me. I ask congress to do things sometimes, an
    sometimes they do what I ask, but they're not obligated to do what I say nor what former President Trump says.

    Unlike you or I, Trump was again running for President and didn't want his rival (who was then Biden) to be able to take credit for fixing something. Johnson, and many others in Congress, acted on the orders from Trump to
    kill the bill.

    Alan is not usually right, but he is here.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Sat Aug 10 12:46:52 2024
    Unlike you or I, Trump was again running for President and didn't want
    his rival (who was then Biden) to be able to take credit for fixing something. Johnson, and many others in Congress, acted on the orders
    from Trump to kill the bill.

    Alan is not usually right, but he is here.

    You and Alan might both be right that Trump made a request to congress, although I have not heard or seen it. But "orders?" How does Trump "order" congress to do anything, while president or ex-president?

    Also, how can you say for sure that Trump wanted the legislation passed just to boost his campaign?

    The legislation called for the legalization of thousands of migrants per day. I can't blame anybody for rejecting it.

    The only time Alan is ever right is when he's not talking about politics.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Alan Ianson on Sun Aug 11 02:26:24 2024
    Hello Alan,

    If what you're saying it true, and it's definitely not, then this means
    that
    Trump saved America from the legalization of thousands of illegal migrants
    per day.

    Trump has not/will not save America.

    Divine Intervention saved Trump.
    Of course, somebody had to die for that to happen ...

    It's up to American's to save themselves from Trump and his kind.

    Trump did not need anybody to save his orange butt, as he
    had Divine Intervention on his side.

    Either way, Trump's a hero.

    Trump is a common criminal.

    Oh, come now. You know better than that.
    How common is it for a criminal (convicted or not) to have fucked
    a stripper while their wife is pregnant? And get caught in the act?
    Please tell ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Sun Aug 11 07:49:00 2024
    Alan is not usually right, but he is here.

    You and Alan might both be right that Trump made a request to congress, although I have not heard or seen it. But "orders?" How does Trump "order" congress to do anything, while president or ex-president?

    Trump has control over a significant follower base. If Johnson had ignored Trump's "request," all Trump would have to do is say "RINO" and that
    follower base would have been all over Johnson, or any other Republican
    that didn't follow the order.

    Also, do not forget that the Trump family now controls the RNC
    pursestrings, much like Hillary controlled the DNC pursestrings in 2016.

    So is it a direct order? No.
    Does it carry the weight of an order? Yes.
    Could not following that order have voter and/or financial consequences?
    Yes.

    Also, how can you say for sure that Trump wanted the legislation passed just t
    boost his campaign?

    He pretty much said as much.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Sun Aug 11 09:28:26 2024
    Trump has control over a significant follower base. If Johnson had ignored Trump's "request," all Trump would have to do is say "RINO" and that follower base would have been all over Johnson, or any other Republican that didn't follow the order.

    Sometimes people tell people to do something that they are already in the process of doing. If my rep voted in favor of the bill, I'd be angry with my rep.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Mon Aug 12 11:09:00 2024
    Trump has control over a significant follower base. If Johnson had ignored Trump's "request," all Trump would have to do is say "RINO" and that follower base would have been all over Johnson, or any other Republican that didn't follow the order.

    Sometimes people tell people to do something that they are already in the process of doing. If my rep voted in favor of the bill, I'd be angry with my rep.

    It would have cut the flow down significantly, so I would have been ok with
    it as it would have been a better compromise than doing nothing and kicking
    the can down the road until Trump becomes President.

    Which begs the question -- what if the makeup of Congress remains the same
    but Trump doesn't win this year? Are we going to be stuck with four more
    years of "doing nothing about it" so Trump can fix it in 2029?

    If it is really the "crisis" that Republicans make it out to be, they
    needed to do something about it then. They didn't, so they now can share
    the blame for the "crisis."


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Mon Aug 12 12:51:56 2024
    Sometimes people tell people to do something that they are already in th process of doing. If my rep voted in favor of the bill, I'd be angry wit rep.

    It would have cut the flow down significantly, so I would have been ok with it as it would have been a better compromise than doing nothing and kicking the can down the road until Trump becomes President.

    There was a lot of stuff in the Secure The Border Act, including plans to resume construction of the wall.

    If the legislation had been signed into law, and then if we elect Trump in November, what would the process be of terminating that bill? Quick and easy? Or long and difficult?

    I might be expecting too much, but I'm expecting Trump to quickly and easily secure the border, and I don't want a "3000 illegals per day is ok" clause to get in the way (I might me off on that number but it was in the thousands.)

    Plus, had Biden signed it into law, then what would the migration status be of those "3000 illegals per day?" Would that mean that Trump couldn't have them deported, because they'd be protected by the Secure The Border Act?

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