• Re: Keys to the White Hou

    From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Tue Jul 9 07:27:38 2024
    IB Joe wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-

    Constitution clearly lays out the people choose the president and not
    some back room deal.

    But that's how the Elitists elect people. Of course, they don't believe that the Constitution constrains them in any way.

    We've known since Hilary that the Democratic primaries are rigged.
    And we've known since 2020 that the Elitists rig elections too.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Tue Jul 9 10:55:38 2024
    On 09 Jul 2024, Ron L. said the following...


    But that's how the Elitists elect people. Of course, they don't believe that the Constitution constrains them in any way.

    We've known since Hilary that the Democratic primaries are rigged.
    And we've known since 2020 that the Elitists rig elections too.


    I saw a video earlier this week where they argued that they'll pull Hillary up to switch out Joe...

    And I just heard Joe Manchin as possibility... I initially thought this could be a problem for Trump, Manchin stepped down this year because of the direction politics was going.

    Anyhow... I then realized Joe is center left... at best... maybe even center right.... And today's Democratic Marxist party would not vote for him.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Wed Jul 10 07:13:42 2024
    IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

    I saw a video earlier this week where they argued that they'll pull Hillary up to switch out Joe...

    Putting on my Karmac turban... I predict that Joe will commit suicide soon now that Hilary is in the picture.

    And I just heard Joe Manchin as possibility... I initially thought
    this could be a problem for Trump, Manchin stepped down this year
    because of the direction politics was going.

    He saw where things are going and didn't want to be part of that train wreck.

    Anyhow... I then realized Joe is center left... at best... maybe even center right.... And today's Democratic Marxist party would not vote
    for him.

    Exactly. As many long time Liberals have complained "The Democratic party left me, not the other way around."


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Thu Jul 11 07:11:26 2024
    IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

    I am not sure if Joe Manchin will jump into the fight. I saw him the other day, on the news, coming out of the Dem weekend meeting, and he looked like a deer caught in headlights when asked about Joe Biden.

    I think he's one of the ones looking for a hole to hide in when all this
    blows up.

    The rally in Doral... near Miami... was filled with Latinos who fled Socialist and Communist countries not to end up in a country that wants
    to head that way.

    Yup. And the Elitists wonder why they don't vote Democrat.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Thu Jul 11 09:30:28 2024
    On 11 Jul 2024, Ron L. said the following...

    The rally in Doral... near Miami... was filled with Latinos who fled Socialist and Communist countries not to end up in a country that wan to head that way.

    Yup. And the Elitists wonder why they don't vote Democrat.


    Recall Regan once said that Latinos were Republicans... they just don't know it yet.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Sat Jul 13 18:36:46 2024
    It's somewhat easy to predict the motives of Democrat politicians, bu it's difficult to predict the motives of Democrat voters.

    You can't have motives when a third party is telling you how/what to think.

    I only speculate that people vote Democrat because they're brainwashed, but there's also a very good chance that they do it because they are Johns in the sex trafficking industry.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Sun Jul 14 07:38:42 2024
    On 13 Jul 2024, Ron L. said the following...


    They can never explain their positions. That why they push them through gov't. Those positions would never stand up to any scrutiny.


    Joe's their best spokesman...

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Jul 14 10:31:52 2024
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    You can't have motives when a third party is telling you how/what to think.

    I only speculate that people vote Democrat because they're brainwashed, but there's also a very good chance that they do it because they are
    Johns in the sex trafficking industry.

    Sorry, I thought we were talking about Democrat VOTERS.

    But, ya, it's pretty obvious that there is a process in gov't where anyone new coming in gets blackmailed somehow - both Democrat and Republican.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Sun Jul 14 13:45:32 2024
    But, ya, it's pretty obvious that there is a process in gov't where
    anyone new coming in gets blackmailed somehow - both Democrat and Republican.

    Democrat officials are either blackmailed or bribed. One of those, for sure.

    But the Democrat voters, there's not such an easy answer to why they do it. They're not being blackmailed or bribed. So what gives? They are really that gullible? It's hard to diagnose it. Each case is different. What does Thomas Sowell say about those who vote Democrat?

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Jul 15 07:44:08 2024
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    But the Democrat voters, there's not such an easy answer to why they do it. They're not being blackmailed or bribed. So what gives? They are really that gullible? It's hard to diagnose it. Each case is different. What does Thomas Sowell say about those who vote Democrat?

    I don't think he has something about Democrat voters.

    From my experience with Democrat voters, they tend to be people who didn't earn their wealth. They got it through some other means. So Daddy paid for college - they didn't have to work the rears off every summer to scrape enough to pay what their student loans didn't cover. So they have no concept of economic reality.

    They've also been conditioned to look to "experts" to tell them what to think on certain topics. But they never vet those "experts".

    They also ignore human nature - especially in themselves.

    In short, they are completely disconnected from Reality.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Jul 15 09:43:10 2024
    Re: Re: Keys to the White Hou
    By: Aaron Thomas to Ron L. on Sun Jul 14 2024 13:45:32

    But the Democrat voters, there's not such an easy answer to why they do it. They're not being blackmailed or bribed. So what gives? They are really that gullible? It's hard to diagnose it. Each case is different. What does Thomas Sowell say about those who vote Democrat?

    Some are being bribed, though, via social program handouts, misinformation, or other means. They are not alone. Republicans are also being bribed by misinformation.
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Mon Jul 15 08:51:48 2024
    What does Thomas Sowell say about those who vote Democrat?

    I don't think he has something about Democrat voters.

    From my experience with Democrat voters, they tend to be people who
    didn't earn their wealth. They got it through some other means. So
    Daddy paid for college - they didn't have to work the rears off every summer to scrape enough to pay what their student loans didn't cover.
    So they have no concept of economic reality.

    Looking back, I see these characteristics in some of them too, and that answers my question. They're people who fall for gimmicks that have big price tags. Anyone financing an EV probably falls into this category.

    They've also been conditioned to look to "experts" to tell them what to think on certain topics. But they never vet those "experts".

    I suspect that this phenomenon has something to do with renewed efforts for
    the government to subsidize internet access (they're referring to broadband internet as "a necessity.") It may also have something to do with the recent slashing of prices on television sets. Somebody really wants people to hear what "experts" have to say about stuff, especially while Trump is running for president. The real "experts" are the masterminds who figured out that more
    internet and more TVs can bring more propagation.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to Ron L. on Mon Jul 15 11:07:56 2024
    From my experience with Democrat voters, they tend to be people who didn't earn their wealth. They got it through some other means. So Daddy paid for college - they didn't have to work the rears off every summer to scrape enough to pay what their student loans didn't cover. So they have no concept of economic reality.

    Does that mean that all of the people who are begging Biden to forgive their student loan debt are Republicans?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Mon Jul 15 10:39:32 2024
    But the Democrat voters, there's not such an easy answer to why they do They're not being blackmailed or bribed. So what gives? They are really gullible? It's hard to diagnose it. Each case is different. What does T Sowell say about those who vote Democrat?

    Some are being bribed, though, via social program handouts, misinformation, or other means. They are not alone. Republicans are
    also being bribed by misinformation.

    The handouts are such an indirect bribe though. How can poor people afford to bank on Democrat promises?

    In NY the Democrats are banning gas vehicles by 2035 which technically means that Democrats will be banning poor people from owning cars. But somehow, the poor people will walk or crawl to the polls to vote for more Democrat policy. There's no logical explanation for it.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Jul 16 07:27:52 2024
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Looking back, I see these characteristics in some of them too, and that answers my question. They're people who fall for gimmicks that have big price tags. Anyone financing an EV probably falls into this category.

    Pretty much.

    I suspect that this phenomenon has something to do with renewed efforts for the government to subsidize internet access (they're referring to broadband internet as "a necessity.")

    That's a certain now. Traditional media is dying. Newspapers have been on the skids for a while now. TV "news" is dropping fast as people know that they are being lied to. People now get their news from actual journalists who aren't part of the establishment.

    The Elitists want to subvert that now. They'll start by conditioning everyone to get their news from Internet sources. Then quietly, they will do what they can to suppress or infiltrate those sources and feed you propaganda under the old trust that they had. In other words, just like they did with traditional media.

    It may also have something to do
    with the recent slashing of prices on television sets. Somebody really wants people to hear what "experts" have to say about stuff, especially while Trump is running for president. The real "experts" are the masterminds who figured out that more internet and more TVs can bring
    more propagation.

    Bread and Circuses.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Tue Jul 16 08:00:00 2024
    In NY the Democrats are banning gas vehicles by 2035 which technically means that Democrats will be banning poor people from owning cars. But somehow, the poor people will walk or crawl to the polls to vote for more Democrat policy. There's no logical explanation for it.

    The national ban has supposedly been tossed by the courts. I suspect New York's should follow the same route.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Tue Jul 16 12:00:48 2024
    In NY the Democrats are banning gas vehicles by 2035 which technically m that Democrats will be banning poor people from owning cars. But somehow poor people will walk or crawl to the polls to vote for more Democrat po There's no logical explanation for it.

    The national ban has supposedly been tossed by the courts. I suspect New York's should follow the same route.

    I didn't hear about that. The NY ban doesn't really ban them, but it prohibits new ones from being sold in the state. This is the first I've heard about it being reversed.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Wed Jul 17 10:42:00 2024
    In NY the Democrats are banning gas vehicles by 2035 which technically that Democrats will be banning poor people from owning cars. But someho
    poor people will walk or crawl to the polls to vote for more Democrat p
    There's no logical explanation for it.

    The national ban has supposedly been tossed by the courts. I suspect New
    York's should follow the same route.

    I didn't hear about that. The NY ban doesn't really ban them, but it prohibits
    new ones from being sold in the state. This is the first I've heard about it being reversed.

    IIRC, that is also how the national ban was going to work. No new ones but
    old ones could still be owned. Of course, the "other shoe" that would have dropped would be scarce or rediculously expensive fuel for those older vehicles, made so by the federal government.

    In Kentucky, there was some initiative that was going to favor electric
    vehicle "fueling" stations over gas stations, but the legislature was
    working to pass a law against it. IIRC (and I may not), the legislature overrode a veto to pass a law against doing so.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Wed Jul 17 10:25:00 2024
    I can see this coming. For now, the internet is open and free, and people can get on there, make a website, and trash Democrats all they want, but that will
    change after they get everyone dependent on the internet. That's why they're pushing that stupid narrative that "the internet is a necessity."

    They can also BS all they want, too. They may not even need their own
    website for it. Plenty of social media platforms will let them do that for free.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Wed Jul 17 15:33:48 2024
    I didn't hear about that. The NY ban doesn't really ban them, but it prohibits
    new ones from being sold in the state. This is the first I've heard abou being reversed.

    IIRC, that is also how the national ban was going to work. No new ones but old ones could still be owned. Of course, the "other shoe" that
    would have dropped would be scarce or rediculously expensive fuel for those older vehicles, made so by the federal government.

    So there was a national ban on gas car production proposed, but it's been scrapped? Maybe the state ban still stands?

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Jul 18 07:27:08 2024
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

    The UN was a good idea during WWII. But now it's not a good idea
    anymore. We don't need the world telling us what to do while they dick
    us around on migration and Ukraine aid.

    The UN was never intended to be a ruling body. Rather a group that could represent "the world" and prevent problems before they become a world war. But like all instutitions, the Elitists infiltrate, corrupt and ruin it.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Thu Jul 18 08:41:00 2024
    IIRC, that is also how the national ban was going to work. No new ones but old ones could still be owned. Of course, the "other shoe" that would have dropped would be scarce or rediculously expensive fuel for those older vehicles, made so by the federal government.

    So there was a national ban on gas car production proposed, but it's been scrapped? Maybe the state ban still stands?

    From what I have heard, and you might want to look it up yourself, but yes there was a national ban that was supposed to take affect c2035 and yes the courts threw it out.

    If the national one got bounced, it is possible the state one could also
    get bounced if someone challenges it in court.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Thu Jul 18 08:44:00 2024
    Where is your proof he was on a yacht? All the footage I saw of him during this period showed him in an office setting.

    https://youtu.be/kvmyAyzL68I

    Despite what the "host" says, that is not a yacht. That is a houseboat.
    Lots of people in areas where there is access to lakes and rivers have houseboats. Some of them are rich, while a lot of them just like to
    pretend to be so. Some people here have nicer boats than they do houses,
    if they even own a house.

    Reporters can be heard asking him why he won't vote for the Build Back Better >Act, and the obvious answer is that it's because he hadn't yet been offered >enough money.

    I did not pick that up in anything he said. The host maybe tried to make
    me believe otherwise but I didn't.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Thu Jul 18 08:49:16 2024
    The UN was a good idea during WWII. But now it's not a good idea anymore. We don't need the world telling us what to do while they dic us around on migration and Ukraine aid.

    The UN was never intended to be a ruling body. Rather a group that could represent "the world" and prevent problems before they become a world
    war. But like all instutitions, the Elitists infiltrate, corrupt and
    ruin it.

    The public schools teach kids that it's cool to learn about other cultures, to eat food from foreign recipes, or even to learn a foreign language. All that crap does is preps us for globalism.

    Then when they go to college, the colleges teach students that "we're stronger with a world government." It sounds logical, true, and believable, until we end up footing the bill for someone else's war.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Jul 18 16:00:48 2024
    The public schools teach kids that it's cool to learn about other cultures, to eat food from foreign recipes, or even to learn a foreign language. All that crap does is preps us for globalism.

    It is cool, though, to learn about other cultures, and some of the food is amazing. Learning about other cultures can help you see things differently and realize there might be other ways to do things, but...

    Then when they go to college, the colleges teach students that "we're stronger with a world government." It sounds logical, true, and believable, until we end up footing the bill for someone else's war.

    ... it also makes you realize that cultural differences and beliefs would make it difficult, and even undesirable, to have a "world government." That could lead away from multiculturalism and to the unique cultures becoming extinct.

    I see no connection between learning about other cultures and a desire to get involved in other people's wars. The problem with Ukraine is actually pretty simple. Back when the USSR collapsed, Ukraine was convinced to give up the Soviet nukes that were within their borders (and give most of them to Russia!) in exchange for the promise of aid should there ever be a conflict with Russia.

    Do I like it? No. Do I believe that it is Russia's fault for invading Ukraine? Yes. Do I believe we have some obligation to Ukraine based on that end of the Cold War promise? Unfortunately, yes but, like I said, I really don't like it.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Thu Jul 18 23:30:58 2024
    It is cool, though, to learn about other cultures, and some of the food
    is amazing. Learning about other cultures can help you see things differently and realize there might be other ways to do things, but...

    It seems innocent and fun, but it's causing a problem.

    ... it also makes you realize that cultural differences and beliefs
    would make it difficult, and even undesirable, to have a "world government." That could lead away from multiculturalism and to the
    unique cultures becoming extinct.

    I think you're right about that, but what you just described is the mission of the world elite. They want us to have a universal culture because that simplifies the tasks of propagating and manipulating the masses, and the task of taking money away from the American taxpayers.

    I see no connection between learning about other cultures and a desire
    to get involved in other people's wars. The problem with Ukraine is

    I haven't heard any lefties complaining about it, and I think that's because they've been conditioned to believe that we owe something to foreigners. I think it's got something to do with education because I felt that way too back when I was a brainwashed leftie (but of course not everyone comes to the same conclusions as I do.)

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Jul 19 07:20:12 2024
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    The public schools teach kids that it's cool to learn about other cultures, to eat food from foreign recipes, or even to learn a foreign language.

    But all those things **are** good.

    All that crap does is preps us for globalism.

    That's the part where they indoctrinate the kids in to thinking that "all cultures are equal" when they aren't.

    Always look for the inversion. That's the tell.

    Then when they go to college, the colleges teach students that "we're stronger with a world government." It sounds logical, true, and believable, until we end up footing the bill for someone else's war.

    That's because the "world gov't" that they espouse is one where the Elitists rule without oversight. Sort of like the EU today.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Fri Jul 19 09:22:00 2024
    It is cool, though, to learn about other cultures, and some of the food is amazing. Learning about other cultures can help you see things differently and realize there might be other ways to do things, but...

    It seems innocent and fun, but it's causing a problem.

    No it is not. The two are not related.

    ... it also makes you realize that cultural differences and beliefs would make it difficult, and even undesirable, to have a "world government." That could lead away from multiculturalism and to the unique cultures becoming extinct.

    I think you're right about that, but what you just described is the mission of
    the world elite. They want us to have a universal culture because that simplifies the tasks of propagating and manipulating the masses, and the task of taking money away from the American taxpayers.

    I don't disagree with it making things easier by a universal culture, but
    that actually contradicts what you said about learning other cultures being
    the gateway. What's the point of learning them if they want to make it a universal culture? They'd not want to introduce you to things you'd notice were later missing. They would just start by exposing everyone to the
    cultural traits that they want kept in the universal culture.

    And I am certaion they would be taking money from everyone that has it.

    I see no connection between learning about other cultures and a desire to get involved in other people's wars. The problem with Ukraine is

    I haven't heard any lefties complaining about it, and I think that's because they've been conditioned to believe that we owe something to foreigners. I think it's got something to do with education because I felt that way too back
    when I was a brainwashed leftie (but of course not everyone comes to the same conclusions as I do.)

    Owing "things to foreigners" and being exposed to other cultures are two different things. One involves globalism (and probably trying to get these other cultures to practice what the elite want) and the other one is just learning about other cultures.

    I am not certain that true leftist like involvement in the War in Ukraine. Democrats like it because they are told to, and they know that MAGAs don't
    like it.

    As I said, the reasons we are giving them money go back to the end of the
    Cold War and the promise that the US (and other western countries) made to
    keep them safe, in exchange for them not keeping nukes, if Russia ever tried
    to reabsorb them.

    Ukraine kept their end of the bargain and gave up the nukes.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Fri Jul 19 07:56:56 2024
    Then when they go to college, the colleges teach students that "we're stronger with a world government." It sounds logical, true, and believable, until we end up footing the bill for someone else's war.

    That's because the "world gov't" that they espouse is one where the Elitists rule without oversight. Sort of like the EU today.

    The world's elite need a world government to give them power in the USA while the country is being led by someone like Trump. The really hated 2016-2020 because that's when the USA was autonomous, and they don't want a repeat.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Fri Jul 19 19:01:14 2024
    the world elite. They want us to have a universal culture because that simplifies the tasks of propagating and manipulating the masses, and the of taking money away from the American taxpayers.

    I don't disagree with it making things easier by a universal culture, but that actually contradicts what you said about learning other cultures being the gateway. What's the point of learning them if they want to
    make it a universal culture? They'd not want to introduce you to things you'd notice were later missing. They would just start by exposing everyone to the cultural traits that they want kept in the universal culture.

    I have a more pessimistic imagination that you do. I think they're propagating us now, so that they can maximize their control over us. Once they have us under their boot, they can dictate what our new culture shall consist of.

    Owing "things to foreigners" and being exposed to other cultures are two different things. One involves globalism (and probably trying to get these other cultures to practice what the elite want) and the other one
    is just learning about other cultures.

    Imagine a student learning all about Ukrainian culture. The student knows the language, the food, the music, and all about the fancy Easter eggs. And all this student knows about Russia is Ivan the Terrible. Which side will that student choose in the Russia-Ukraine war?

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  • From halian@1:123/10 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Jul 20 06:08:56 2024
    Then when they go to college, the colleges teach students that " stronger with a world government." It sounds logical, true, and believable, until we end up footing the bill for someone else's

    That's because the "world gov't" that they espouse is one where the Elitists rule without oversight. Sort of like the EU today.

    The world's elite need a world government to give them power in the USA wh the country is being led by someone like Trump. The really hated 2016-2020 because that's when the USA was autonomous, and they don't want a repeat.

    Please stop! You're making me laugh so hard it hurts! XD
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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Sat Jul 20 10:27:00 2024
    the world elite. They want us to have a universal culture because that simplifies the tasks of propagating and manipulating the masses, and th
    of taking money away from the American taxpayers.

    I don't disagree with it making things easier by a universal culture, but
    that actually contradicts what you said about learning other cultures being the gateway. What's the point of learning them if they want to make it a universal culture? They'd not want to introduce you to things you'd notice were later missing. They would just start by exposing everyone to the cultural traits that they want kept in the universal culture.

    I have a more pessimistic imagination that you do. I think they're propagating
    us now, so that they can maximize their control over us. Once they have us under their boot, they can dictate what our new culture shall consist of.

    I understand you believe that, and it is not completely out of the
    question, but your connecting two unrelated things.

    Owing "things to foreigners" and being exposed to other cultures are two different things. One involves globalism (and probably trying to get these other cultures to practice what the elite want) and the other one is just learning about other cultures.

    Imagine a student learning all about Ukrainian culture. The student knows the language, the food, the music, and all about the fancy Easter eggs. And all this student knows about Russia is Ivan the Terrible. Which side will that student choose in the Russia-Ukraine war?

    Russia was the aggressor in this case. Russia has not really been able to produce any reasoning behind this that isn't pot-kettle-black. I would
    expect that most reasonable non-Russians would believe that the aggressor in this case is not in the right.

    The "fancy Easter eggs," BTW, are Russian, created in St. Petersburg. Their languages are from the same family (slavic) as is a lot of their culture.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Jul 20 14:03:50 2024
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    The world's elite need a world government to give them power in the USA while the country is being led by someone like Trump. The really hated 2016-2020 because that's when the USA was autonomous, and they don't
    want a repeat.

    No, they don't want a repeat - or worse - held accountable.

    Because as long as life in America is far better than other places, the people in those other places will keep the pressure on the Elites to make those other places more like America.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Sat Jul 20 20:24:54 2024
    Imagine a student learning all about Ukrainian culture. The student know language, the food, the music, and all about the fancy Easter eggs. And this student knows about Russia is Ivan the Terrible. Which side will th student choose in the Russia-Ukraine war?

    Russia was the aggressor in this case. Russia has not really been able
    to produce any reasoning behind this that isn't pot-kettle-black. I
    would expect that most reasonable non-Russians would believe that the aggressor in this case is not in the right.

    But if the students are trained to adore Ukraine, then even if Ukraine was the aggressor, our students would stand with Ukraine, and they'd listen to whatever the Ukrainian narrative is.

    Our students had no clue that the GHB admin killed hundreds of innocent Panamanians in the hunt for Noriega. But it's Trump that they don't like (the big racist.)

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Sat Jul 20 20:26:58 2024
    The world's elite need a world government to give them power in the U while the country is being led by someone like Trump. The really hate 2016-2020 because that's when the USA was autonomous, and they don't want a repeat.

    No, they don't want a repeat - or worse - held accountable.

    Because as long as life in America is far better than other places, the people in those other places will keep the pressure on the Elites to
    make those other places more like America.

    This explains the demolition.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Sun Jul 21 12:58:00 2024
    Russia was the aggressor in this case. Russia has not really been able to produce any reasoning behind this that isn't pot-kettle-black. I would expect that most reasonable non-Russians would believe that the aggressor in this case is not in the right.

    But if the students are trained to adore Ukraine, then even if Ukraine was the
    aggressor, our students would stand with Ukraine, and they'd listen to whateve
    the Ukrainian narrative is.

    They are not being taught to adore Ukraine. I will guarantee you that most students had no idea what or where Ukraine was until Russia invaded them.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON L. on Sun Jul 21 13:01:00 2024
    Because as long as life in America is far better than other places, the people >in those other places will keep the pressure on the Elites to make those other >places more like America.

    Which, in turn, makes them want to achieve equality by bringing America
    down instead.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Sun Jul 21 18:58:32 2024
    Russia was the aggressor in this case. Russia has not really been to produce any reasoning behind this that isn't pot-kettle-black. would expect that most reasonable non-Russians would believe that t aggressor in this case is not in the right.

    But if the students are trained to adore Ukraine, then even if Ukraine w the
    aggressor, our students would stand with Ukraine, and they'd listen to whateve
    the Ukrainian narrative is.

    They are not being taught to adore Ukraine. I will guarantee you that most students had no idea what or where Ukraine was until Russia invaded them.

    This thread sorta lost focus, but we weren't necessarily talking about students. People in general are being conditioned to adore Ukraine. The media's doing it, congress is doing it, Biden was doing it. There is definitely a "support Ukraine" campaign in progress, and people are falling for it bigtime. There was no "Pray for Iraq" tagline on Pepsi bottles during any of the Iraq wars. That's because there's no money for the Democrats in Iraq.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Mike Powell on Mon Jul 22 07:23:12 2024
    Mike Powell wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Because as long as life in America is far better than other places, the people
    in those other places will keep the pressure on the Elites to make those other
    places more like America.

    Which, in turn, makes them want to achieve equality by bringing America down instead.

    Well, yes. That's the way the Elitists have always done it.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Mon Jul 22 09:45:00 2024
    They are not being taught to adore Ukraine. I will guarantee you that most students had no idea what or where Ukraine was until Russia invaded them.

    This thread sorta lost focus, but we weren't necessarily talking about students. People in general are being conditioned to adore Ukraine. The media'
    doing it, congress is doing it, Biden was doing it. There is definitely a "support Ukraine" campaign in progress, and people are falling for it bigtime.

    Initiallly I think there was, but most Ukraine stuff got replaced with
    Pride stuff a long time back. Some people who were initially on the
    Ukraine bandwagon are not as vocally so because they realize the Ukraine government, while not as bad as the Russian one, may also be corrupt.

    The people who are "falling for it" are ones who *correctly* understand
    that Russia invaded Ukraine and also maybe understand/remember the time at
    the end of the Cold War where the USA (and other countries) promised to assist Ukraine if Russia ever invaded. They are also ignoring any indication that
    the Ukrainian government may also be repressive.

    The ones who aren't falling for it either understand that Russia invaded Ukraine but don't care, or are the ones who don't even seem to understand
    that *Russia invaded Ukraine*. Some in the latter group even somehow seem
    to believe that it is Ukraine's fault that they got invaded and/or it is Ukraine's fault for resisting, neither of which are correct.

    There was no "Pray for Iraq" tagline on Pepsi bottles during any of the Iraq wars. That's because there's no money for the Democrats in Iraq.

    We were fighting in Irag. There was support for our troops in Iraq.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Mon Jul 22 10:54:40 2024
    The ones who aren't falling for it either understand that Russia invaded Ukraine but don't care, or are the ones who don't even seem to understand that *Russia invaded Ukraine*. Some in the latter group even somehow
    seem to believe that it is Ukraine's fault that they got invaded and/or
    it is Ukraine's fault for resisting, neither of which are correct.

    There's got to be people in my category too; people who think that it's all Biden's fault because he failed to protect one of our assets (Ukraine.)

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Tue Jul 23 10:58:00 2024
    The ones who aren't falling for it either understand that Russia invaded Ukraine but don't care, or are the ones who don't even seem to understand
    that *Russia invaded Ukraine*. Some in the latter group even somehow seem to believe that it is Ukraine's fault that they got invaded and/or it is Ukraine's fault for resisting, neither of which are correct.

    There's got to be people in my category too; people who think that it's all Biden's fault because he failed to protect one of our assets (Ukraine.)

    Trump wasn't really protecting it, either, though. What his presence did
    do, for whatever reason, was to cause Putin to hold off on escalating the conflict until Trump left office.

    Trump had no policy in place, that Joe undid, that would have caused Putin to cease aggressions there.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to ALL on Wed Jul 24 20:33:32 2024
    The entity known as Mike Powell attempted to write to somebody -

    [..]

    Russia was the aggressor in this case. Russia has not really been able to produce any reasoning behind this that isn't pot-kettle-black.
    I would expect that most reasonable non-Russians would believe that the aggressor in this case is not in the right.

    "I don't really care what happens to Ukraine one way or another."
    ~ J. D. Vance, fake Marine who never spent a day in battle in Iraq,
    his entire six months there spent meeting with school officials and
    playing with kids as part of a public affairs unit in late 2005

    Now he wants Ukraine to "negotiate" with Russia - by ceding all
    lands Vladimir Putin wants to take.

    It is no small wonder he changed his legal name. Three times.

    And he is only 39 years old. Plenty of time for more ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Fri Jul 26 21:26:20 2024
    There's got to be people in my category too; people who think that it's Biden's fault because he failed to protect one of our assets (Ukraine.)

    Trump wasn't really protecting it, either, though. What his presence did do, for whatever reason, was to cause Putin to hold off on escalating the conflict until Trump left office.

    Trump had no policy in place, that Joe undid, that would have caused
    Putin to cease aggressions there.

    Maybe it was unlucky timing for Biden, but his response to the Russian troop build-up along the Ukraine border was weak. He did absolutely nothing about it as our asset became endangered. And then after our asset was under water, he threw money at it. And when that failed, he threw more money at it, only for that to fail also.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Sat Jul 27 10:38:00 2024
    Trump wasn't really protecting it, either, though. What his presence did
    do, for whatever reason, was to cause Putin to hold off on escalating the
    conflict until Trump left office.

    Trump had no policy in place, that Joe undid, that would have caused Putin to cease aggressions there.

    Maybe it was unlucky timing for Biden, but his response to the Russian troop build-up along the Ukraine border was weak. He did absolutely nothing about it
    as our asset became endangered. And then after our asset was under water, he threw money at it. And when that failed, he threw more money at it, only for that to fail also.

    It hasn't failed entirely. If things went the way Russia planned, the
    asset would be entirely theirs.

    I suspect that they, like administrations before theirs, were hoping they
    could ignore it and it would just go away. Of course, that always works
    about as well as a CIA covert operation, which means it didn't work and
    will probably wind up costing more money in the long run.

    That said, Americans over the years have become more adverse to human casualties vs. money. Human casualties is something that would have been
    made more likely by any serious build-up along the Ukraine-Russia border.


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