Rick Smith wrote to Tommi Koivula <=-

that new OS/2 isnt cheap is it?

Depends. You get what you pay for with Arca Noae. They're about to put
UEFI and USB 3.0 capability into ArcaOS. Something you don't have with eComStation or OS/2 Warp.

Remember that you're paying not only for support with ArcaOS but you're
funding further development. There's a lot of good stuff in store.

Take a look at https://www.arcanoae.com/roadmaps/general/ for more info.

Here's what's in store for the short term (from the above webpage):

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UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface) support
Our new UEFI support is in testing as of January, 2020. Set to debut with ArcaOS 5.1, this will enable ArcaOS to install and boot on more modern
systems than ever before. Our UEFI support completely removes dependence on traditional BIOS services.

USB 3 host controller support
xHCI support (USB 3) is nearing release as of January, 2020. This will
allow ArcaOS to install and run on an even wider range of modern systems.

New RPM packages for the OS/2 & eCS Drivers & Software Subscription
We are adding more ported and packaged software to our subscription RPM repository, thereby adding value to these services. Subscribers will be
able to add the Subscription repo to Arca Noae Package Manager to be able to download and install these updates on demand.

New RPM packages for the Arca Noae Stable Repository
We are adding new packages to the free stable repository. Software here may
be created by any third party, and packaged for inclusion in our free repository, available to all OS/2 users, whether subscribers or not. These packages may then be downloaded and installed via Arca Noae Package Manager.

Enhanced printer support for OS/2 (with and without CUPS)
New printer driver packages are in testing to support a wider range of
modern printers, both with and without CUPS. These drivers augment the
already rich support for venerable models as provided by OS/2 itself. In addition, ArcaOS ships with an improved PostScript printer driver pack, and CUPS drivers for Brother lasers are downloadable via Arca Noae Package
Manager. A new Epson inkjet printer pack will soon also be available.

Support for modern Wi-Fi adapters
We plan to expand MultiMac to include support for a limited set of wireless network adapters, commonly found in hardware suitable for ArcaOS.
Eventually, these drivers may completely replace available GenMac drivers
for chipsets which remain in use.
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So yes, ArcaOS isn't "cheap" if you mean by coughing up the cash in the short-term but with all that's going on, the ROI can be pretty high if
you're still wanting to use OS/2 on modern equipment.

The yearly support is only $65 a year which isn't bad, working out to be USD$5.42 a month.

It all depends on how you look at it. :)

Later,
Sean

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Sean,

Thank you for taking the time to post all of that. You are correct when looking at it like that it is not that bad at all! I look forward to all of those improvments and would probably make the jump to run OS/2 again if I
could do it on a piece of atleast relatively new hardware.

Rick

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Enhanced printer support for OS/2 (with and without CUPS)
and CUPS drivers for Brother lasers are downloadable via Arca Noae
Package Manager. A new Epson inkjet printer pack will soon also be

Was shocked that my Brother 2140 laser was fully supported in Virtualbox.
It's 10+ years old...but it saw it without any intervention from me.

Support for modern Wi-Fi adapters
We plan to expand MultiMac to include support for a limited set of

During installation...even without an antenna...it was picking up the SSID of my network from Lenovo's built-in wi-fi.

The yearly support is only $65 a year which isn't bad, working out to be USD$5.42 a month.

If you renew before your anniversary date...it's less than that. Got mine
done the day I bought it & it run me $58 for the rest of the year. Just hope they give current license holders a break on the cost of 5.1.

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looking at it like that it is not that bad at all! I look forward to
all of those improvments and would probably make the jump to run OS/2 again if I could do it on a piece of atleast relatively new hardware.

I had it set up in Virtualbox playing around with it last week. The older version of Firefox was responsive...along with the updates. Not having as
much time as I would like to play around with it...due to work & the BBS...it was as responsive/more responsive than Windows 10. With me going up to 16 GB
of memory on Sunday...haven't started it up to see how it runs...but my 10 install runs like crazy where it was slow as a snail before the upgrade.

You have the money...take the jump. You will not regret it. Loved the responsiveness I was getting.

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I think I will.. though right now I am desperately trying to figure out a offline message reader, ie which one to use and howto set up....

Rick

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I think I will.. though right now I am desperately trying to figure out a offline message reader, ie which one to use and howto set up....

The 1 thing to remember that compared to a Windows/Linux install...it is
slow. That's the reason it's taken me so long to get it installed on the ThinkCentre was no matter using DVD/USB...it was still slow.

Just remember to take out the thumb drive as it reboots the 1st time or it sounds like you have a stuck key. Plug it back in when you get to the point where you see the icon in the middle of the screen & the drivers are loading.

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RICK SMITH wrote to DON LOWERY <=-

I think I will.. though right now I am desperately trying to figure out
a offline message reader, ie which one to use and howto set up....

MultiMail seems to be the best option, and you have a native OS/2
version as well as DOS and Windows. It works well for me and supports
both QWK and Bluewave.

I do miss some of the old offline readers, one in particular I mess had
a built in database setup to save messages and search through them.
That was really handy. But I am sure that reader is long gone. I think
it was called RoboMail.

That reminds one, one thing I never got for OS/2 is a good BBS telnet
program. I usually use Netrunner in Windows. I need to find something
for OS/2

Kev



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Re: Re: Too much hassle. WAS
By: Kevin Nunn to Rick Smith on Wed Mar 04 2020 13:59:10

That reminds one, one thing I never got for OS/2 is a good BBS telnet program. I usually use Netrunner in Windows. I need to find something
for OS/2

i've used Telix with SIO/Vmodem and ZOC... otherwise, generally raw telnet for basics... today's BBSes are now also offering SSH access in addition to or in place of telnet so having a terminal program that can do today's SSH stuff is a plus, as well...


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Hello Kevin,

That reminds one, one thing I never got for OS/2 is a good BBS telnet program. I usually use Netrunner in Windows. I need to find something
for OS/2

There is Mini Telnet. The zip includes an OS/2 and Windows exe. The filename is
mtelb12.zip. It can be found somewhere at trmb.ca and I'm sure a web search would turn it up.

There was also mini com (I think it was) by the same author for modem use.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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I honestly forget how they work, can it be an automatic process where I fire
it up and it retrieves my mail? Or do I have to download qwk packets each
time I want a fresh batch of mail? You forget a lot in 23 years!! Thank you for all your help..

Rick

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RICK SMITH wrote to KEVIN NUNN <=-

I honestly forget how they work, can it be an automatic process where I fire it up and it retrieves my mail? Or do I have to download qwk
packets each time I want a fresh batch of mail? You forget a lot in 23 years!! Thank you for all your help..

Yes, you have to dialup and download the .QWK packet each time, then
upload your .REP packet if you have any replies. Fairly simple process
and much easier then reading echos while connected (at least for me).

Kev

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Hello Rick.

03 Mar 20 20:47, you wrote to me:

Thank you for taking the time to post all of that. You are correct
when looking at it like that it is not that bad at all! I look
forward to all of those improvments and would probably make the jump
to run OS/2 again if I could do it on a piece of atleast relatively
new hardware.

No hurt in waiting. :)

Later,
Sean

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Hello Rick.

03 Mar 20 23:35, you wrote to Don Lowery:

I think I will.. though right now I am desperately trying to figure
out a offline message reader, ie which one to use and howto set up....

Use MultiMail. It's native to DOS, OS/2, Win32 and Win64, Linux, Mac OSX...

https://multimail.sourceforge.net

I have instructions on using Nano with Windows and Multimail around here somewhere.


Later,
Sean

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Hello mark.

04 Mar 20 14:09, you wrote to Kevin Nunn:

i've used Telix with SIO/Vmodem and ZOC... otherwise, generally raw
telnet for basics... today's BBSes are now also offering SSH access in addition to or in place of telnet so having a terminal program that
can do today's SSH stuff is a plus, as well...

I have LiveWire/2 and the final fix for it here if anyone wants it.

Later,
Sean

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I have instructions on using Nano with Windows and Multimail around here somewhere.

I would appreciate that more than you know

rick

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On 03-17-20 18:21, Sean Dennis <=-
spoke to Rick Smith about Too much hassle. WAS <=-

I think I will.. though right now I am desperately trying to figure
out a offline message reader, ie which one to use and howto set up....

Use MultiMail. It's native to DOS, OS/2, Win32 and Win64, Linux, Mac OSX...
https://multimail.sourceforge.net

I am a big fan of Bluewave for my personal use and have been using it
for a quarter century. BUT, I will agree with you that AFAIK, Multimail
is a decent version of offline reader in today's world -- especially for
those who do not have a vested interest in something else as I do.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)


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I have LiveWire/2 and the final fix for it here if anyone wants it.

If you could post the URL for it...would love to get it.

Thanks!

BTW...how's the rehab going???

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Dale Shipp wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

I am a big fan of Bluewave for my personal use and have been using it
for a quarter century. BUT, I will agree with you that AFAIK,
Multimail is a decent version of offline reader in today's world -- especially for those who do not have a vested interest in something
else as I do.

If I could, I'd love to get my hands on the Blue Wave source code and update
it for today's systems. That's why I like MultiMail is that it does work on everything you can think of these days. Of course, to each their own, but I try to support all the BBS software I can. :)

Later,
Sean

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Rick Smith wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

I have instructions on using Nano with Windows and Multimail around here somewhere.

I would appreciate that more than you know

I will find this for you. I have it around here somewhere (famous last
words).

I apologize for the late response; I was hospitalized last week due to blood clots in my lungs and my right thigh. I nearly died from the clots but remembered I still have a BBS to run so I got the will to live. ;)

Later,
Sean

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I have LiveWire/2 and the final fix for it here if anyone wants it.

If you could post the URL for it...would love to get it.

They're both on my BBS. I'll look for them.

BTW...how's the rehab going???

After my hospitalization last week for blood clots (and nearly dying from
them) and my surgery being cancelled indefinitely, not well.

Later,
Sean

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I have LiveWire/2 and the final fix for it here if anyone wants it.

If you could post the URL for it...would love to get it.

They're both on my BBS. I'll look for them.

Since Nick put up the newest version of D'Bridge (which still works with OS/2)...been playing around with it all day long. Hate having to be at work
at 5:30 AM tomorrow...but it's my bedtime. Got some more work to do to use it as my front end...with either FMail or FastEcho as my tosser for JAM bases...since D'Bridge won't do JAM. The docs for WWIV gave me a clue how to get it set up like this.

After my hospitalization last week for blood clots (and nearly dying from them) and my surgery being cancelled indefinitely, not well.

That's what you were saying in a previous message. Know you want to get it
over with...but stay safe/healthy & it will happen. Believe that eating fruit (canned/fresh) everyday has helped me not just catch scurvy...but also the stuff going around...but my allergies are still playing havoc...since those plants aren't getting COVID-19.

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On 03-18-20 01:05, Dale Shipp wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

I am a big fan of Bluewave for my personal use and have been using it
for a quarter century. BUT, I will agree with you that AFAIK,
Multimail is a decent version of offline reader in today's world -- especially for those who do not have a vested interest in something
else as I do.

Multimail is quite good and is still baing maintained - there was an update last year. There's a couple of Bluewave features that I'd like in Multimail, like the ability to search your tagline file when choosing one, but overall, I am happy with Multimail. Currently, I use it on Windows and Linux.


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one, but overall, I am happy with Multimail. Currently, I use it on Windows and Linux.

How do you get your mail? Do you have to pick it up? Or do you have it
pointed at you message dir?

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On 04-11-20 10:05, Rick Smith wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

one, but overall, I am happy with Multimail. Currently, I use it on Windows and Linux.

How do you get your mail? Do you have to pick it up? Or do you have it pointed at you message dir?

I log in and down load it like any other user. ;)


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