Daryl wrote --

It's more like a spoon with a hole in it, to make up for all the
potholes.

I have noticed something on this trip.
It seems something like 99.9 per cent of any manhole cover on a street
is where one or the other of your tyres will pass over. Tump-tump.
Why can't they be more centered???
Joe
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On 2019 Jun 18 07:40:30, you wrote to DARYL STOUT:

It's more like a spoon with a hole in it, to make up for all the
potholes.

I have noticed something on this trip. It seems something like 99.9
per cent of any manhole cover on a street is where one or the other of your tyres will pass over. Tump-tump. Why can't they be more
centered???

they likely were when they were installed... it is possible that the roads have been widened somewhat over time... they only put more road surface down and do not dig up all the drainage to move it over...

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Nancy wrote --

I've been up to the Pond for close to a week

Hope you had a good time.

As I wend my way around the country its a measure of both.

What about in that particular case...?

I wound up where I wanted to be. :)

One of these days, I might be driving there... we lived there (in Crawfordsville) for 2 years when I was a little kid... I'd like to see
if I could find the house we lived in then... :)

The places I lived in Colorado Springs, CO are gone.
The two places in the little town of Trinidad, CO are still there.
I was tempted to knock on the door of this one place, which has been "restored" to ask to look around, but then thought better of it. Partly because
I couldn't remember the landladies name. :)
I imagine I would get a well than warm welcome as a stranger wanting to
come in and look around someone's house. :)

Some states one can drive for miles without any signs at all and go far

afield then have to find some connecting road or back track.

That can waste a lot of time... and/or lead to some interesting explorations.... <G>

The only time I had a unmarked detour was due to an accident and that was understandable. And I saw a lot more of TN than I planning on. :)

That's why I patronize AAA.... Generally I can get a stack of maps
before I leave on a trip, from broad coverage to city maps

The atlas had insets for big cities which was useful.
In addition when I connected to the net using the free wifi of a
particular FF place, Apple maps would show not only where I was, but how to get to
where I wanted to be.
A day or so out I would check the net "for things to do in" whatever
town I was closing in on. It also gave directions on how to get to that place.
I would map out my journey a couple of days ahead that way.
Plus I had a half sheet of paper with notes reading "Rt X to Rt Y" which
I could glance at when needed. (Have a stack of those).
Lots of places I would check Apple Maps for more detailed information.

I guess I'd noticed that.... but then I tend to use the interstates more than

you

Interstates are fine if one is in a hurry, which I wasn't.
On interstates its the same exits, the same FF places, etc. One has no
idea where they are. And if there is some attraction one wants to see its miles away (as a rule), whereas on the old road it just off to the side.
And everyone isn't a speed demon on the older roads.
One sees more of the country, large and small towns, its a slower drive.
I am far more comfortable driving 50 mph than 70 or more.
Plus, if you miss your turn you can just make a U turn or some business
to go back rather than drive 20 miles to the next exit.

One place I stopped sold real paper maps and paid for one only to
find where I was going (a few miles away) had them for free. :(

That was a bummer... Another good reason to have gotten them beforehand
at AAA.

Since I don't own a car I didn't want to join just for some maps. :)
I was a member one time and was planning a cross country trip moving back
to CO from WV and wanted the scenic route via GA, etc.
The woman at AAA said "but the interstate is much faster" I told her I
was in no hurry, I wanted to see things. It took a while for her to
comprehend I didn't want interstates.
Of course she had to plot everything out rather than draw a straight
line. :)

Joe (in El Dorado, AR)

You are certainly getting around... :)

Back home now.
I would love to do this again someday, seeing places I missed.
Joe
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Quoting Joe Mackey to Nancy Backus on 06-22-19 08:12 <=-

I've been up to the Pond for close to a week

Hope you had a good time.

Mostly... <G> This trip was to get my son back into the States and get
his Jeep up and running... Involved lots of driving.... maybe not more
than yours, but I did put 1400 miles on my car in just a week....

As I wend my way around the country its a measure of both.

What about in that particular case...?

I wound up where I wanted to be. :)

That's the important thing.... :)

One of these days, I might be driving there... we lived there (in Crawfordsville) for 2 years when I was a little kid... I'd like to see
if I could find the house we lived in then... :)

The places I lived in Colorado Springs, CO are gone.
The two places in the little town of Trinidad, CO are still there.

At least some of it was still there... :)

I was tempted to knock on the door of this one place, which has been "restored" to ask to look around, but then thought better of it.
Partly because I couldn't remember the landladies name. :)
I imagine I would get a well than warm welcome as a stranger wanting
to come in and look around someone's house. :)

My experience has been that most people are quite willing to let a
former resident, or descendent of a former owner/resident see what it's become.... they like the connection to the past through a real person,
too... ;)

Some states one can drive for miles without any signs at all and
go far afield then have to find some connecting road or back track.

That can waste a lot of time... and/or lead to some interesting explorations.... <G>

The only time I had a unmarked detour was due to an accident and
that was understandable. And I saw a lot more of TN than I planning
on. :)

With an accident, one hopes that the cars in front of one know where
they are going, and one can safely follow them.... :)

That's why I patronize AAA.... Generally I can get a stack of maps
before I leave on a trip, from broad coverage to city maps

The atlas had insets for big cities which was useful.
In addition when I connected to the net using the free wifi of a particular FF place, Apple maps would show not only where I was, but
how to get to where I wanted to be.
A day or so out I would check the net "for things to do in"
whatever town I was closing in on. It also gave directions on how to
get to that place. I would map out my journey a couple of days ahead
that way. Plus I had a half sheet of paper with notes reading "Rt X
to Rt Y" which I could glance at when needed. (Have a stack of those). Lots of places I would check Apple Maps for more detailed
information.

Sounds like it worked out ok for you, then... :)

I guess I'd noticed that.... but then I tend to use the interstates
more than you

Interstates are fine if one is in a hurry, which I wasn't.
On interstates its the same exits, the same FF places, etc. One has
no idea where they are. And if there is some attraction one wants to
see its miles away (as a rule), whereas on the old road it just off to
the side. And everyone isn't a speed demon on the older roads.
One sees more of the country, large and small towns, its a slower
drive. I am far more comfortable driving 50 mph than 70 or more.
Plus, if you miss your turn you can just make a U turn or some
business to go back rather than drive 20 miles to the next exit.

All (mostly/generally) true.... :) I'll take interstates when they
actually are the most direct way to get where I need to go, and
especially when it will be a fairly straight shot to a major place, like
on this last trip that started with a trip to the Montreal Airport... I
used the back roads all through the US up to the bridge to cross over
into Canada, and then headed for the 401 that went directly to the
airport... I'd stayed in NYS longer than my original routing,
particularly to avoid a LOT of construction on the interstate on the
section between the bridge I was supposed to have taken and the one I
did take....

One place I stopped sold real paper maps and paid for one only to
find where I was going (a few miles away) had them for free. :(

That was a bummer... Another good reason to have gotten them beforehand
at AAA.

Since I don't own a car I didn't want to join just for some maps.
:) I was a member one time and was planning a cross country trip
moving back to CO from WV and wanted the scenic route via GA, etc.
The woman at AAA said "but the interstate is much faster" I told
her I was in no hurry, I wanted to see things. It took a while for her
to comprehend I didn't want interstates.

I've generally had better luck with the trip counselors I get.... I just
tell them up front what sort of roads I prefer... and often I've had
ones that totally agree with me.... :) And besides, the interstate
isn't necessarily all that much faster, and sometimes takes one further
out of the way so even though one is going faster, one doesn't get there
any sooner.... :)

Of course she had to plot everything out rather than draw a
straight line. :)

Not all interstates are the straight line, though.... <G>

Joe (in El Dorado, AR)

You are certainly getting around... :)

Back home now.
I would love to do this again someday, seeing places I missed.

Start planning your route now....? <G>

ttyl neb

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Nancy wrote --

With an accident, one hopes that the cars in front of one know where
they are going, and one can safely follow them.... :)

On my trip I saw only two accidents.
The first was in Colorado where an SUV was on its top and cars just
directed around it. (Didn't see a second car anywhere).
The other was the accident in TN.
The interstate between here and Charleston (the capitol and about 50
miles away) seems to be accident alley. There seems to be at least one on a daily basis. And even for something minor like a fender bender the whole section is shut down for miles with t
The few times I was on an interstate I liked the signs that directed
people if not major to move the cars off the road.
Here its always a big deal for anything. ==sigh==

All (mostly/generally) true.... :) I'll take interstates when they
actually are the most direct way to get where I need to go, and
especially when it will be a fairly straight shot to a major place

If one is driving from point A to B, and somewhat of a time limit, that's fine.
I had no time limits (after the first few stops) for the most part.
I usually started looking for a place for the night around 3 knowing I
would have a better chance of finding something.
I used the booking.com app on the phone sometimes (when I could get a
free wifi signal) for upcoming big towns and check room rates, location, etc. I found I could book a room in less than 30 minutes before a planned check
in. Smaller places I just took th
I preferred staying at small "mom and pop" places. They were always
good, "homey" and they need the business that big chains take away.

isn't necessarily all that much faster, and sometimes takes one further
out of the way so even though one is going faster, one doesn't get there any

sooner.... :)

I remember a couple of times I'd missed a turn and driving around
aimlessly and thinking "I don't know where I am going but I'm making good time."
:)

I would love to do this again someday, seeing places I missed.

Start planning your route now....? <G>

There is so much of this country to see!
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On 2019 Jun 28 06:37:12, you wrote to NANCY BACKUS:

The interstate between here and Charleston (the capitol and about 50 miles away) seems to be accident alley. There seems to be at least one on a daily basis. And even for something minor like a fender bender the

whole

section is shut down for miles with t

the above paragraph was just cut off right there...

I used the booking.com app on the phone sometimes (when I could get a free wifi signal) for upcoming big towns and check room rates, location, etc. I found I could book a room in less than 30 minutes before a planned check in. Smaller places I just took th

this one was cut off right there... this seems to be a common occurance with your posts... i've not said anything until now... i have my suspicions as to where the problem is but i won't voice them here right now... i don't know what to suggest other than writing more and thusly shorter paragraphs... i can't tell if it is a line/paragraph length problem on the BBS you are uploading to or what...

to try to explain that: today's systems use one long line per paragraph instead of numerous lines of specific lengths like we used to do in days past... if lines are longer than the buffers allocated to them, they get truncated and the additional characters are lost... we mainly saw this when quoting but in some cases, it happens on import...

it is a bug or design flaw in the software accepting the postings... they should be checking the length of the input data against the size of the buffer and processing in chunks until all the data is handled... for some reason, they're filling the buffer and then stuffing it into another shorter buffer without length checks and so the tail ends of some of your paragraphs are being cut off...

if you reread your messages on the system you are uploading them to, you should see the problem and be able to report it to your operator so they can report it to the software maintainer... if you are using news to read and write your messages, you may want to download your messages from the server again so you can see them and not your local copy if there is one...

i tried to not be too technical but i don't know if i was successful or not :(

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Mark wrote --

whole section is shut down for miles with t

the above paragraph was just cut off right there...

I went back and checked and sure enough it did. Don't know if something
I did or what.
I'll be more careful with shorter paragraphs from henceforth. :)
The original ended a sentence or so late, with "traffic detoured to the
old road for miles" or some such. :)
Nothing so important that it would be remembered 100 years from now, or
even a few minutes from now. :)

check in. Smaller places I just took th

this one was cut off right there... this seems to be a common occurance with

your posts... i've not said anything until now

Wish I had known sooner.

i tried to not be too technical

Thank you. :)

but i don't know if i was successful or not :(

You were. :)
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On 2019 Jun 29 06:34:42, you wrote to me:

whole section is shut down for miles with t

the above paragraph was just cut off right there...

I went back and checked and sure enough it did. Don't know if
something I did or what.

like i wrote before, i think it is something with long line processing in the system you are connecting to... that's a eWAG, though... t-bird won't be cutting them off... it has to be upstream from you :/

I'll be more careful with shorter paragraphs from henceforth. :)

:)

Nothing so important that it would be remembered 100 years from now, or even a few minutes from now. :)

true...

i've not said anything until now

Wish I had known sooner.

i probably should have said something sooner, too... i'm kiinda surprised that no one else has noticed it and said anything :?

i tried to not be too technical

Thank you. :)

welcome :)

but i don't know if i was successful or not :(

You were. :)

excellent! -=B-)

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Mark wrote --

like i wrote before, i think it is something with long line processing in the

system you are connecting to... that's a eWAG, though... t-bird won't be cutting them off... it has to be upstream from you :/

I use Doc's Place.
I had been using Thunderbird at one time but after an upgrade it would no longer recognise whatever system I was on so back to Doc.

Wish I had known sooner.

i probably should have said something sooner, too... i'm kiinda surprised

that no one else has noticed it and said anything :?

Or even read anything. :)
Well, if nothing else this brought you out of lurk mode. :)
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On 2019 Jul 01 06:48:48, you wrote to me:

like i wrote before, i think it is something with long line
processing in the system you are connecting to... that's a eWAG,
though... t-bird won't be cutting them off... it has to be upstream
from you :/

I use Doc's Place.

yeah, i know :)

I had been using Thunderbird at one time but after an upgrade it would
no longer recognise whatever system I was on so back to Doc.

you were using my system for a while but the lastread pointer problem was too annoying... you went to doc's then but i thought you were still using t-bird from there...

i've got a whole different BBS setup now, thanks to hurricane florence last year... it is a lot different and doesn't have that lastread pointer problem... plus it is an all-in-one setup instead of being lotsa pieces cobbled together like my last one was...

i've got an account set up for you but i forget if i've emailed the details to you... you can use t-bird to pull messages as news like you were doing, or you can use a web browser and the web interface, or even log into the BBS via a terminal program like syncterm or netrunner... if you log in, you can do messages live or download/upload QWK packets if you still do them...

Wish I had known sooner.

i probably should have said something sooner, too... i'm kiinda
surprised that no one else has noticed it and said anything :?

Or even read anything. :)

hehehe...

Well, if nothing else this brought you out of lurk mode. :)

well, kinda... for a little bit, i guess...

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Mark wrote --

you went to doc's then but i thought you were still using t-bird
from there...

IIRC I was having trouble with T-bird recognising your system and been
using Doc's in Firefox.

i've got an account set up for you but i forget if i've emailed the details

to you

Let's try again. :)
joemackey108 at comcast.net

Well, if nothing else this brought you out of lurk mode. :)

well, kinda... for a little bit, i guess...

And since I have concluded by grand tour and passed through your area and gone its safe to come out of hiding again. :)
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On 2019 Jul 02 05:43:48, you wrote to me:

you went to doc's then but i thought you were still using t-bird from
there...

IIRC I was having trouble with T-bird recognising your system and been using Doc's in Firefox.

that might have been because i had to drop my old dynip.com domain... didn't have the $$$ to toss at it for another year :?

i've got an account set up for you but i forget if i've emailed the
details to you

Let's try again. :)
joemackey108 at comcast.net

yup, that's the address i have... i'll try to get something out to you shortly... i need to check on the syntax again...

Well, if nothing else this brought you out of lurk mode. :)

well, kinda... for a little bit, i guess...

And since I have concluded by grand tour and passed through your area
and gone its safe to come out of hiding again. :)

i started to ask you how close you were going to be so maybe we could meet... unfortunately i was dealing with an extremely rough patch of life at that time... still am but not quite as bad as it was...

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Quoting Joe Mackey to Nancy Backus on 06-28-19 06:37 <=-

With an accident, one hopes that the cars in front of one know where
they are going, and one can safely follow them.... :)

On my trip I saw only two accidents.
The first was in Colorado where an SUV was on its top and cars just directed around it. (Didn't see a second car anywhere).

Guess someone was a little careless, and the SUV was just a bit
top-heavy.... I'd guess just a one-car accident....

The other was the accident in TN.
The interstate between here and Charleston (the capitol and about 50
miles away) seems to be accident alley. There seems to be at least
one on a daily basis. And even for something minor like a fender
bender the whole section is shut down for miles with t

(missing....?) We have spots in town that almost always show up on the accident reports on the radio each morning... not sure quite why certain
spots just attract accidents, though....

The few times I was on an interstate I liked the signs that directed people if not major to move the cars off the road.
Here its always a big deal for anything. ==sigh==

I've seen those, too... :)

All (mostly/generally) true.... :) I'll take interstates when they
actually are the most direct way to get where I need to go, and
especially when it will be a fairly straight shot to a major place

If one is driving from point A to B, and somewhat of a time limit,
that's fine.

Generally that ends up being the case when I've decided to take a toll
road, such as the NYS Thruway.... Long stretches, I like to have some be
back roads and some the expressways.... although, in some cases, like
going into the North Country (upper NYS), I more and more avoid the
expressways more often than not.... :) My bottom line is avoiding
hassles wherever possible... ;)

I had no time limits (after the first few stops) for the most part.
I usually started looking for a place for the night around 3 knowing
I would have a better chance of finding something.
I used the booking.com app on the phone sometimes (when I could get
a free wifi signal) for upcoming big towns and check room rates,
location, etc. I found I could book a room in less than 30 minutes
before a planned check in. Smaller places I just took th

(the first place you saw...?)

I preferred staying at small "mom and pop" places. They were always
good, "homey" and they need the business that big chains take away.

True.... I tend to just stay with friends and family of some sort, and
plan the trips accordingly.... only occasionally have I stayed in some
sort of hotel/motel....

isn't necessarily all that much faster, and sometimes takes one further
out of the way so even though one is going faster, one doesn't get there
any sooner.... :)

I remember a couple of times I'd missed a turn and driving around aimlessly and thinking "I don't know where I am going but I'm making
good time." :)

At least you are still enjoying yourself... that's the important
thing... ;)

I would love to do this again someday, seeing places I missed.

Start planning your route now....? <G>

There is so much of this country to see!

That there is.... I doubt I'll ever see all that I'd like to see... but
I've seen quite a bit over the years, as it is.... :)

ttyl neb

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Quoting Mark Lewis to Joe Mackey on 06-28-19 18:04 <=-

The interstate between here and Charleston (the capitol and about 50
miles away) seems to be accident alley. There seems to be at least one
on a daily basis. And even for something minor like a fender bender the
whole section is shut down for miles with t

the above paragraph was just cut off right there...

yes I noticed that also....

I used the booking.com app on the phone sometimes (when I could get a
free wifi signal) for upcoming big towns and check room rates, location,
etc. I found I could book a room in less than 30 minutes before a planned
check in. Smaller places I just took th

this one was cut off right there... this seems to be a common
occurance with your posts... i've not said anything until now... i have
my suspicions as to where the problem is but i won't voice them here
right now... i don't know what to suggest other than writing more and thusly shorter paragraphs... i can't tell if it is a line/paragraph
length problem on the BBS you are uploading to or what...

Interestingly, I don't recall having him having had this issue
previously... only in this set of travelogue posts.... Maybe he usually
does write shorter paragraphs.... or something recently changed
somewhere....

ttyl neb

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Mark wrote --

yup, that's the address i have... i'll try to get something out to you shortly... i need to check on the syntax again...

They got a tax on that now too? :)
Be good to have, if nothing else, a backup.

i started to ask you how close you were going to be so maybe we could meet...

From Ed's it was a straight shot across KY though Frankfort.
I waved in all directions as I passed. :)

unfortunately i was dealing with an extremely rough patch of life at that

time...

I know how that goes.
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Joe,

Why can't they be more centered???

What's more important is "Why don't potholes put your shock absorbers
BACX into alignment??".

There will be a considerable delay in repairing the potholes around
the area. We regret to inform you that the pothole repair truck fell
into a pothole!! :P

So much for "your tax dollars at work"??

Daryl

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