On 13 Sep 20 21:27:00, Dan Clough said the following to All:

Anybody else use Slackware...? Are you as tired as I am of
waiting for a new release? It's starting to get ridiculous.

Is Slackware the one that doesn't have systemd?

Nick

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Hello Dan!

13 Sep 2020 21:27, Dan Clough wrote to All:

Hello all,

Anybody else use Slackware...? Are you as tired as I am of
waiting for a new release? It's starting to get ridiculous.

Yeah, I know I could switch to something else, but I don't want
to. Just wish he'd hurry things up a bit, it's been over 4 years
now. Arrrgggghhhhhh.

i use slackware at home, but not on my servers since it miss portage from gentoo

using slackware64 currennt, i admit it will be precompiled problems


Regards Benny

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Hello Nick!

13 Sep 2020 22:33, Nick Andre wrote to Dan Clough:

On 13 Sep 20 21:27:00, Dan Clough said the following to All:

Anybody else use Slackware...? Are you as tired as I am of
waiting for a new release? It's starting to get ridiculous.

Is Slackware the one that doesn't have systemd?

gentoo have it default disabled in kernel, but if users or even admins want the trouble it can be enabled, is slackware the one that miss portage from gentoo ?


Regards Benny

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Re: Re: Slackware 15.0
By: Dan Clough to Nick Andre on Mon Sep 14 2020 07:27 am

Nick Andre wrote to Dan Clough <=-

Anybody else use Slackware...? Are you as tired as I am of
waiting for a new release? It's starting to get ridiculous.

Is Slackware the one that doesn't have systemd?

That is correct, it is one of the few. Another that I know of is
"MX Linux" which is quite nice, and a fork of Debian called
"Devuan", which I have heard mixed reviews about.

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I think MX linux has ystemD, but you make me doubt.

Devuan is quite ok. It is what I use when I need a Debian-like environment, which is not very often. Still I prefer Slackware. I have been booting some OpenBSD systems as of late though.

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On 14 Sep 20 03:14:08, Richard Falken said the following to Nick Andre:

There are more Linux distributions that don't carry systemd besides Slackwa

Devuan and Gentoo are the two big ones that come to mind, but there are als small ones (such as Tiny Core Linux). Knoppix has SystemD but does not use as an init system. Knopper is very vocal about SystemD messing up his tidy distro :-P

I only work with Linux / BSD systems occasionally. I was curious because the last time I worked with Slackware it was pretty "clean" as it was; guys I knew used to complain loudly about the many wonderful problems of systemd.

Nick

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On 14 Sep 20 08:48:38, Benny Pedersen said the following to Nick Andre:

gentoo have it default disabled in kernel, but if users or even admins want the trouble it can be enabled, is slackware the one that miss portage from gentoo ?

I messed around with Gentoo only once, about like 15 years ago. Seemed like
it was really meant for sadomasochists 8-)

Nick

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Richard Falken wrote to Dan Clough <=-

Anybody else use Slackware...? Are you as tired as I am of
waiting for a new release? It's starting to get ridiculous.

Is Slackware the one that doesn't have systemd?

That is correct, it is one of the few. Another that I know of is
"MX Linux" which is quite nice, and a fork of Debian called
"Devuan", which I have heard mixed reviews about.

I think MX linux has ystemD, but you make me doubt.

Nope, it definitely doesn't. I've got it running on the wife's
laptop. You can see the details here: (scroll down a bit to the
"init software" line):

https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=mx

Devuan is quite ok. It is what I use when I need a Debian-like environment, which is not very often. Still I prefer Slackware. I
have been booting some OpenBSD systems as of late though.

I may give it (Devuan) another look one of these days. I do like
Debian and it's offspring fairly well. Never cared much for the
BSD's, although only ever tried the FreeBSD variant and that was
long ago. Never really saw the point of it - what does it do any
better than Linux...?



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Hello Richard!

15 Sep 20 07:12, Richard Falken wrote to Dan Clough:

FreeBSD used to have proper jails and great ZFS integration, but I
don't know how great of an advantage it has on those fields these days.

It still has proper jails and great ZFS integration. The latter will share the codebase with the Linux variant starting the next release, I think (after other players like OpenSolaris & co. dropped out). Apart from storage, networking has always been one of the things FreeBSD excels at.

Oh, and OpenBSD has PF. Some people prefers it over Linux packet filtering interfaces.

It's certainly a better choice from my point of view. It comes with FreeBSD, too (although a previous version), as one of the three or so built-in packet filters to choose from.


Regards,
Gerrit

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On 15 Sep 20 20:35:26, Benny Pedersen said the following to Nick Andre:

I messed around with Gentoo only once, about like 15 years ago.

why leave it then ?

I prefer to have my computers work for me and not the other way around.

Nick

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Hello Dan!

14 Sep 20, Dan Clough wrote to Nick Andre:

Is Slackware the one that doesn't have systemd?

That is correct, it is one of the few.

No, it's not, it does have systemd: https://github.com/Dlackware/systemd

systemd for Slackware. These slackbuilds are provided to compile systemd on top of Stock Slackware

Regards

Kai

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Hello Kai!

16 Sep 20 01:32, you wrote to Dan Clough:

Is Slackware the one that doesn't have systemd?

That is correct, it is one of the few.

No, it's not, it does have systemd:
https://github.com/Dlackware/systemd

systemd for Slackware. These slackbuilds are provided to compile
systemd on top of Stock Slackware

A default installation of Slackware does not use systemd.

Andrew

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Hello Andrew!

16 Sep 20, Andrew Leary wrote to Kai Richter:

Is Slackware the one that doesn't have systemd?

That is correct, it is one of the few.

No, it's not, it does have systemd:
https://github.com/Dlackware/systemd

A default installation of Slackware does not use systemd.

True but that was not the question.

Some people think having a gun is far better than using it.

Regards

Kai

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Hello Kai!

16 Sep 2020 11:28, Kai Richter wrote to Andrew Leary:

A default installation of Slackware does not use systemd.

True but that was not the question.

+1

Some people think having a gun is far better than using it.

in the us its fire before asking hows the weater will be tomorrow

windows precompile kernels is lots more secure then linux, show me the source Nick Andre :)


Regards Benny

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Good ${greeting_time}, Kai!

16 Sep 2020 01:32:34, you wrote to Dan Clough:

Is Slackware the one that doesn't have systemd?

That is correct, it is one of the few.

No, it's not, it does have systemd:
https://github.com/Dlackware/systemd systemd for Slackware.
These slackbuilds are provided to compile systemd on top of
Stock Slackware

Are there some significant number of idiots who will do that for any other reason than having fun and saying "yes, it builds"?


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On 17 Sep 20 06:02:44, Benny Pedersen said the following to Richard Falken:

i find it funny that Nick thinks kernel source in gentoo have more secureit holes then any precompiled systems like slackware

Thats not what I said, but continue the laughs.

Nick

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Hello Alexey!

17 Sep 20, Alexey Vissarionov wrote to Kai Richter:

Is Slackware the one that doesn't have systemd?

That is correct, it is one of the few.

No, it's not, it does have systemd:
https://github.com/Dlackware/systemd systemd for Slackware.

Are there some significant number of idiots who will do that for any
other reason than having fun and saying "yes, it builds"?

I think that counter is exactly zero. But not because what you may think of. Anybody who is able to set up a systemd based slackware on his own have skills far above an idiots level. My pre-justice tells me if they can't be idiots then they must have good reasons to use it. But the most important point is: Who cares?

The question was does slackware *have* systemd - not does it *use* systemd.

I just wanted to highlight that slackware isn't restricted by missing systemd. Use it or not, that's still your freedom.

Regards

Kai

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On 17 Sep 20 18:33:28, Benny Pedersen said the following to Nick Andre:

Thats not what I said, but continue the laughs.

fair, i have no more ritter sport left :)

The next one will cost you vodka... the good shit please.

Nick

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Hallo Benny!

Светлана хочет меня.

What ever?

Tell that to Svetlana and see where that gets you.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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Hello Maurice!

25 Sep 2020 01:50, Maurice Kinal wrote to Benny Pedersen:

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What ever?

Tell that to Svetlana and see where that gets you.

latin 1 is all we need on fidonet


Regards Benny

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Hallo Benny!

i think SPOT on amiga is well designed to know why LATIN-1 is
well choiced

So which one does amiga say LATIN-1 is? ISO-8859-1, CP1250 or CP1252?

blame 8-bit

Nope. It was never 8-bit that corrupted proper aliases for 8-bit character sets.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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Hallo Benny!

we today are limited to 7 bit with multiple problems to solve

Speak for yourself. This was never an issue that I was ever aware of. What was an issue way back when, is silly fidonet sysops who got suckered into thinking that CP437 is higher/upper ascii. There never was any 8 bit characters in ascii and I doubt there ever will be.

oh never mind got a new kernel....

kv-5.8.13 has serious usb issues. As of today my "stable" boot is using kv-5.4.69. No penguins with intel graphics but everything else seems to be working including i915drmfb.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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Re: Slackware 15.0
By: Benny Pedersen to Maurice Kinal on Fri Oct 02 2020 08:19 am

if computers was 32bit from the beginning, keyboard charset would have being solved from the start, we today are limited to 7 bit with multiple problems to solve, HTML works since it can be safely parsed as JSON

This is a joke, right?

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Hallo Benny!

maybe i am just older amiga user ?

I don't see what difference it makes. 7-bit ascii characters should be the same no matter what OS and/or hardware is being used. As for 8-bit characters probably CP1252 would be the most compatible these days but if amiga figures ISO-8859-1 is the default then that should work although you'll see the occasional C1 control codes every now and then originating from a so-called "LATIN-1" systems where CP1252 is the default character set.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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Hello Kai!

05 Oct 2020 17:03, Kai Richter wrote to Benny Pedersen:

Guys, what kind of problem are you talking about??

none

if its all 7 bit there is just diffrent parsing of 7 bit

If you code all humans writing symbols to HTML you will have the same situation like now.

so you know json ?

HTML will need multiple bytes to define a symbol.

same as unicode when its 8 bit charters

No matter if the HTML charset will be limited to 7 bit or not,

?, i have seen UTF-8 and QP combined badly in lots of emails where programmers dont understand double encodeing problems, QP hide 8 bit chatters, so UTF-8 dont know it needs to be unicode encoded, thats not how it should be, since the reader does not know if sender send from what charset :/

the software must know which symbol have to be displayed for that multibyte sequence.

and unicode solve that much better then html, hmm


Regards Benny

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Hello Benny!

06 Oct 20, Benny Pedersen wrote to Kai Richter:

HTML will need multiple bytes to define a symbol.

same as unicode when its 8 bit charters

You got the point. You will have multibytes in unicode and multibytes plus html<tags> around it.

programmers dont understand double encodeing problems

You can't blame a standard for that. There will be programmers that don't understand html too.

the software must know which symbol have to be displayed for that

multibyte sequence.

and unicode solve that much better then html, hmm

I never said that. You must have the multibyte sequence to define the symbol. Why adding memory space and cpu requiring htmltags around it? I don't see the advantage.

Regards

Kai

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