Hello All,

Three weeks ago my FTTH connection became active. At that time IPv4 only.

Since this morning I have IPv 6. I can make outgoing IPv6 connection but incoming is a problem. The modem/outer (Nokia XS-2426G-B) does not support IPv6 pinholing.

Customer support can not help me.

It is just not supported. Arggg!


Cheers, Michiel

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Hello Wilfred,

On Saturday October 07 2023 17:46, you wrote to me:


MvdV>> Since this morning I have IPv6. I can make outgoing IPv6
MvdV>> connections but incoming is a problem. The modem/outer (Nokia
MvdV>> XS-2426G-B) does not support IPv6 pinholing.

MvdV>> Customer support can not help me.

MvdV>> It is just not supported. Arggg!

So the modem needs an update. Either software or hardware... ;-)

It does, but an update is not in the pipe or so it seems...

I was afraid something like this would happen. We have been warning them for over a dacade. Fix the roof when the sun is shining! But the lagards kept postponing the inevitable. And now that the rain has started - they can't get enough IPv4 to serve all their costomers - they have to introduce IPv6 in a hurry. And of course they hav to start at the bottom of the learning curve...

A learning curve that the early adopters had almost two decades to climb...


Cheers, Michiel

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Re: Re: My FTTH and IPv6
By: Wilfred van Velzen to Michiel van der Vlist on Sat Oct 07 2023 05:46 pm

So the modem needs an update. Either software or hardware... ;-)

I've never cared for the modem/router combos. I have my ISP disable the router and use my own, with much more features and capabilities.

Regards,
Nick

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Hi Michiel.

07 Oct 23 16:59, you wrote to All:

Since this morning I have IPv6. I can make outgoing IPv6 connection

No evidence of that so far. ;)

+ 07 Oct 00:28:56 [3985] incoming session with 2001-1c02-1103-1000-f1d0-0002-0280-5555.cable.dynamic.v6.ziggo.nl [2001:1c02:1103:1000:f1d0:2:280:5555]
+ 07 Oct 01:31:03 [16156] incoming session with 2001-1c02-1103-1000-f1d0-0002-0280-5555.cable.dynamic.v6.ziggo.nl [2001:1c02:1103:1000:f1d0:2:280:5555]
+ 07 Oct 16:03:16 [29284] incoming session with 2001-1c02-1103-1000-f1d0-0002-0280-5555.cable.dynamic.v6.ziggo.nl [2001:1c02:1103:1000:f1d0:2:280:5555]
+ 07 Oct 17:06:20 [7305] incoming session with 2001-1c02-1103-1000-f1d0-0002-0280-5555.cable.dynamic.v6.ziggo.nl [2001:1c02:1103:1000:f1d0:2:280:5555]
+ 07 Oct 18:06:19 [19140] incoming session with 2001-1c02-1103-1000-f1d0-0002-0280-5555.cable.dynamic.v6.ziggo.nl [2001:1c02:1103:1000:f1d0:2:280:5555]
+ 07 Oct 18:51:10 [28811] incoming session with 2001-1c02-1103-1000-f1d0-0002-0280-5555.cable.dynamic.v6.ziggo.nl [2001:1c02:1103:1000:f1d0:2:280:5555]
+ 07 Oct 19:35:52 [3381] incoming session with 2001-1c02-1103-1000-f1d0-0002-0280-5555.cable.dynamic.v6.ziggo.nl [2001:1c02:1103:1000:f1d0:2:280:5555]

'Tommi

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Hi Nicholas.

07 Oct 23 11:39, you wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

Re: Re: My FTTH and IPv6
By: Wilfred van Velzen to Michiel van der Vlist on Sat Oct 07 2023 05:46 pm

So the modem needs an update. Either software or hardware... ;-)

I've never cared for the modem/router combos. I have my ISP disable the router
and use my own, with much more features and capabilities.

Yep. I also have full control to my device. :)

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Hello Tommi,

On Saturday October 07 2023 20:40, you wrote to me:

No evidence of that so far. ;)

Just for you I made a call to 221/6 with the FTTH IPv6 address. Check your log.

Just for the test, I see no added value in using that address for outgoing if it can not accept incoming.


Cheers, Michiel

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Hi Michiel.

07 Oct 23 19:54, you wrote to me:

No evidence of that so far. ;)

Just for you I made a call to 221/6 with the FTTH IPv6 address. Check your log.

Yep!

+ 07 Oct 20:53:59 [18874] incoming session with 2001:4c3c:7d01:4000:2e0:4cff:fe68:2609
- 07 Oct 20:53:59 [18874] SYS Nieuw Schnoord
- 07 Oct 20:53:59 [18874] ZYZ Michiel van der Vlist

'Tommi

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Good ${greeting_time}, Michiel!

07 Oct 2023 16:59:40, you wrote to All:

MvdV> Three weeks ago my FTTH connection became active. At that time IPv4
MvdV> only. Since this morning I have IPv 6. I can make outgoing IPv6
MvdV> connection but incoming is a problem. The modem/outer (Nokia
MvdV> XS-2426G-B) does not support IPv6 pinholing.

What type of physical link do you have?


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Hello Nicholas,

On Saturday October 07 2023 11:39, you wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

I've never cared for the modem/router combos. I have my ISP disable
the router and use my own, with much more features and capabilities.

1) In my case that is not an option at the moment. The modem/router combo they gave me does not support bridge mode.

2) Their network technology is relatively new (XSG-PON). A simple ONT that works with their network, so that I can bypass their hardware completely, is not available yet. So I am stuck with their modem/router.

3) Having said that: Even a provider supplied modem/router should support something basic as IPv6 pinholing. Especially if I am stuck with it.

4) Just for the record, incoming IPv6 works if I disable the firewall. I tested that. No need to say that permanently disabeling the firewall is not an option.


Cheers, Michiel

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Hello Alexey,

On Saturday October 07 2023 22:00, you wrote to me:

MvdV>> Three weeks ago my FTTH connection became active. At that time
MvdV>> IPv4 only. Since this morning I have IPv 6. I can make outgoing
MvdV>> IPv6 connection but incoming is a problem. The modem/outer
MvdV>> (Nokia XS-2426G-B) does not support IPv6 pinholing.

What type of physical link do you have?

Fiber glass.


Cheers, Michiel

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Re: Re: My FTTH and IPv6
By: Nicholas Boel to Wilfred van Velzen on Sat Oct 07 2023 11:39:53

I've never cared for the modem/router combos. I have my ISP disable the router and use my own, with much more features and capabilities.

I am pretty sure that the XS-2426G-B can be configured in bridge mode - other similar models of ONT certainly could be. Whether the provider will set that up is another question - one-offs are a pain :)

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Good ${greeting_time}, Michiel!

07 Oct 2023 23:03:22, you wrote to me:

MvdV>>> Three weeks ago my FTTH connection became active. At that time
MvdV>>> IPv4 only. Since this morning I have IPv 6. I can make outgoing
MvdV>>> IPv6 connection but incoming is a problem. The modem/outer
MvdV>>> (Nokia XS-2426G-B) does not support IPv6 pinholing.

What type of physical link do you have?

MvdV> Fiber glass.

Is it connected to a media converter with a SFP module, or?


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Hello Alexey,

On Sunday October 08 2023 03:59, you wrote to me:

What type of physical link do you have?

MvdV>> Fiber glass.

Is it connected to a media converter with a SFP module, or?

Nope. The green fibre cable from the street ends in an FTU where it is connected to a thin white cable that goes directly into the modem router. The big white box in te middle of the second picture. I have no idea what is inside the modem router box. There me be an SFP module bit iy is not accesable to me.

http://www.vlist.eu/fotos/glasvezel/IMG_0114.jpg http://www.vlist.eu/fotos/glasvezel/IMG_0112.jpg


Cheers, Michiel

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Re: My FTTH and IPv6
By: Michiel van der Vlist to Nicholas Boel on Sat Oct 07 2023 10:51 pm

1) In my case that is not an option at the moment. The modem/router combo they gave me does not support bridge mode.

https://www.howtogeek.com/255206/how-use-your-router-and-isps-modemrouter-combo -in-tandem/

While it includes most if not all information you already know, this stands out as something that may need to be done:

"Sometimes you need to directly contact your ISP, though, to have them set your ISP-supplied router to bridge mode."

This is what I did. I didn't change any setting on my modem/router myself, my ISP did.

What is the model number? Maybe there's something else you could do that wouldn't require you to open your wallet.

2) Their network technology is relatively new (XSG-PON). A simple ONT that works with their network, so that I can bypass their hardware completely, is not available yet. So I am stuck with their modem/router.

3) Having said that: Even a provider supplied modem/router should support something basic as IPv6 pinholing. Especially if I am stuck with it.

I looked up this XSG-PON and it seems to show some routers with 6 and 6E technology. Does yours have all this newer tech? If so, I would fully agree that their supplied hardware should support IPv6 fully, not just basic. The router I'm using is 9+ years old (Asus AC68R, released in 2014), doesn't have wifi6 or 6e tech, and still uses the AC and N bands where most things nowadays are AX, and this thing *still* fully supports IPv6.

4) Just for the record, incoming IPv6 works if I disable the firewall. I tested that. No need to say that permanently disabeling the firewall is not an option.

So, your ISP supports IPv6, your modem seems to work with/support IPv6, but the router inside that same modem doesn't? Something seems fishy here. Is there any firmware upgrades available for said hardware? Or maybe even different firmware available for it?

Then maybe you don't need a completely new router, but instead you may be able to disable the firewall and use some kind of software based firewall like pfSense (or some well known windows firewall since you don't use Linux) in it's place? Either way, I'm sure there's some options, but it's more what you are willing to do about it, and/or if you want to go that far.

Regards,
Nick

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Hello Nicholas,

On Sunday October 08 2023 07:47, you wrote to me:

"Sometimes you need to directly contact your ISP, though, to have them
set your ISP-supplied router to bridge mode."

Actually having the ISP set the modem/router in bridge mode is the normal way here. In some situations the customer can do it him/herself but that is the exception rather than the rule.

So...this route has been explored. In this case bridge mode is not available. Period.

What is the model number? Maybe there's something else you could do
that wouldn't require you to open your wallet.

Nokia XS-2426G-B.

The situation regarding ISP supplied CPE is a bit different in this part of the world than in Northern America. Here these boxes ae closed. Ever so often user acces is restricted and flashing it with other software is impossible. They run ISP specific fimware and for updates one is totally dependent on the ISP.

In theory there is the option of having one's own hardware. For dsl and coax thsi works uo to a point. But for this reatively new X-PON technology there is just very little or no hardware on the market. Yet..

I looked up this XSG-PON and it seems to show some routers with 6 and
6E technology. Does yours have all this newer tech?

It supports WiFi 6..

If so, I would fully agree that their supplied hardware should support IPv6 fully, not just basic.

It is not the hardware that is the problem. It is the ISP's firmware.

The FTTH market here is in development. Roughly a third of the households in The Netherlands has FTTH. The battle for the other two third is ongoing. Some of the new parties on the market have planting their flag on as many households as they can on top of their list of priorities. The quality of the service not.

My FTTH ISP is one of those. So I am not surprised. They have only very recently introduced IPv6 in their network. They had to. They ran out of IPv4. That it would not work perfectly on day one was to be expected. It is very simple, the IPv6 implementation of their CPE is broken.

At the moment I will just wait. I am not unwilling to open the wallet for an alternative, but for now I will just wait. I still have the cable connection operational. For now. I do not plan to let this situation of dual connectivity last forever, but I can ride it out for a while. But some day I will vote for one or the other. With my feet or my wallet..


Cheers, Michiel

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