The only fidonet policy i can find is v4.07 from 1989!!
is there a newer version as that is so dated?
this echo is future of fido, the policy must be one of the first things looked at, esp as 99.9% do not use dialup and use it as a HOBBY,

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The only fidonet policy i can find is v4.07 from 1989!!
is there a newer version as that is so dated?
this echo is future of fido, the policy must be one of the first things looked at, esp as 99.9% do not use dialup and use it as a HOBBY,
... Nine times out of ten the statisticians are wrong

The only fidonet policy i can find is v4.07 from 1989!!
is there a newer version as that is so dated?

Have you read the policy? Which parts of it should be changed due to technological evolution?
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Hi Owen,

On 2022-02-01 12:23:14, you wrote to All:

The only fidonet policy i can find is v4.07 from 1989!!
is there a newer version as that is so dated?

It is the lastest, and not even recognised by most of the fidonet sysops.

this echo is future of fido, the policy must be one of the first
things looked at, esp as 99.9% do not use dialup and use it as a
HOBBY,

Good luck with that! ;-)

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hello Wilfred!

01 Feb 22 08:49, you wrote to Owen Evers:

this echo is future of fido, the policy must be one of the first
things looked at, esp as 99.9% do not use dialup and use it as a
HOBBY,

Good luck with that! ;-)

Wait, let me get the popcorn :-)

Fermin


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Have you read the policy? Which parts of it should be changed due to technological evolution?
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some of the wording is a bit dated, i.e references to Mail Hour, phone numbers, 2.2 even asks for a phone number on application and maximum baud rate!! even tho I know there are still some that use dial up, (how do you connect?) its not how MOST future and present possible applicants will be connecting to the (fido)Net.

I almost thought your question was a rhetorical one.!?

... Great minds think alike; small minds run together

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It is the lastest, and not even recognised by most of the fidonet sysops. Good luck with that! ;-)

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You're not even a listed sysop ... why should you care?

\%/@rd

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You're not even a listed sysop ... why should you care?
(2:292/854)

what nodelist did you check?
what makes you think I might not want to be?
why should i care! so from that statement I assume that you didnt care before you obtained yours.. thus dont care about fidonet its self or at best dont care about the group's policy, to me that is unwise.

I do care, and one part of the policy (4.5) says 'policy, fidonews and nodelist are the glue.....' the policy could do with some fresh glue attaching. it also says policies are released at sporadic periods, well that no longer happens does it?
I hope you are just a node as the 'why should I care' comment you made goes against the policy as it is now, were it says to 'encourage new members'

This form of messaging and communicating is nothing like it used to be with far less users, users i feel should be held onto and encouraged to join or it will die out- eventually.The 'your not in the gang' attitude you show is narrow minded and not looking to the future of FidoNet - the echo you just posted in?

... Some people have no idea what they're doing, and are really good at it!

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On 2022 Feb 01 12:23:14, you wrote to All:

The only fidonet policy i can find is v4.07 from 1989!!
is there a newer version as that is so dated?

that is the current version being used in fidonet...

i can provide links to older versions if desired ;)

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You're not even a listed sysop ... why should you care?

what nodelist did you check?

The current one ... this is your entry ...

Down,9,Paranormal_Panorama_BBS,Hull_E._Yorkshire,Owen_Evers,-Unpublished-,
300,XX,INA:ppbbs-26643.portmap.host,IBN:26643,TSJ

You have been downgraded to "Down" by your RC because your link is continously ... down ... and your system unreachable...

... which is why you are accessing here from a BBS in another Fidonet-zone.

0rigin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (3:770/100)
"""""""""

\%/@rd

--- DB4 - Jan 26 2022
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You're not even a listed sysop ... why should you care?

The current one ... this is your entry ... Down,9,Paranormal_Panorama_BBS,Hull_E._Yorkshire,Owen_Evers,-Unpublished-,

So it is listed!!!!
and down as I have some things that have priority over a hobby to sort out first.

continously ... down ... and your system unreachable...
... which is why you are accessing here from a BBS in another Fidonet-zone.

it is not continuously ... (extra 'U') ... down.
the extra U isn't a user flag 'ENC' by the way like your listings ;)
My system is not unreachable by who i let connect, and only marked as down from the ... latest ...FIDO... list. but you already knew that...
I asked for HOLD also so why try to POLL ?
I don't and didn't take this echo which is why i posted on Agency.
Sorry but you are wrong on all your comments, and as you also know my BBS is and was in the list you should now also have the answer to your first comment of why should I care!

not a very nice attitude from a Zone 2 hat.. again the policy says encourage membership... ? not post comments as you have. very un-encouraging and now has become annoying. see the policy if you want to know what that means.

All because i thought the policy could do with bringing upto date from the 80's, and in your position should be something you also want.
This discussion could have been productive if you were approachable, you never even commented on what I thought was outdated, just choose to be derogatory.
I hope other HATS see this and how your attitude has been.
Bye...

... Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist.

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On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 17:24:22 +1300
"Owen Evers" <owen.evers@3:770/100> wrote:

not a very nice attitude from a Zone 2 hat.. again the policy says
encourage membership... ? not post comments as you have. very
un-encouraging and now has become annoying. see the policy if you
want to know what that means.

I don't reach many of Ward's posts because those few that I have read,
he's being a douche to someone and I've called him out on it. It seems
a known and regular issue. Don't let it bother you.
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Hi, Ward!

02 䥢 22 10:44, Ward Dossche -> Owen Evers:

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You're not even a listed sysop ... why should you care?

How did you find it? ;)

https://nodehist.fidonet.org.ua/?name=Owen+Evers

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.
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Stas,

You're not even a listed sysop ... why should you care?

How did you find it? ;)

https://nodehist.fidonet.org.ua/?name=Owen+Evers

1/ I am surprized you would consider me to be an idiot who needs instruction
on how to look up things. Really?

2/ ",Down" ... a rose by any other name still is a rose ... unreachable ...
unlisted ... unavailable ... inexistant ... take your pick ...
If it were an available node. even in its down-status, the guy would not
need to access Fido via a BBS in Z3.
Even his NC/RC is unable to reach him ...

Enjoy the week-end,

\%/@rd
--- DB4 - Jan 26 2022
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The current one ... this is your entry ...
Down,9,Paranormal_Panorama_BBS,Hull_E._Yorkshire,Owen_Evers,-Unpubli

shed-,

So it is listed!!!!
and down as I have some things that have priority over a hobby to sort
out first.

As I told Stas .... ",Down" ... a rose by any other name still is a rose ... unreachable ... unlisted ... unavailable ... inexistant ... take your pick ... If it were an available node. even in its down-status, you would not need to access Fido via a BBS in Z3. Even your NC/RC is unable to reach you ... which is why you are ",Down".

it is not continuously ... (extra 'U') ... down.

If you want to become a member/participant in this community then pls be aware that ever since the one whose name we are not supposed to mention, expired in the most literal sense of the word, we kinda stopped bothering with correcting typos and likewise writing-errors because you are at risk of running into the first Law of Dossche on internet communications ...

#1
"When correcting the spelling of someone's writings in an internet forum,
the probability of introducing a new error approaches 1"

My system is not unreachable by who i let connect, and only marked as...

See? There you are already ...

I asked for HOLD also so why try to POLL ?

Your request didn't make it to your NC as he is unable to contact you, hence he slammed ",Down" on you.

I never polled you, not my job but your NC's and he's confirmed so far your system is a non-event.

not a very nice attitude from a Zone 2 hat.. again the policy says encourage membership... ? not post comments as you have. very un-encouraging and now has become annoying. see the policy if you want to know what that means.

Buddy ... I can recite Policy by heart after all these years, please don't wave it in front of my eyes as if I'm not knowledgeable ...

All because i thought the policy could do with bringing upto date from
the 80's, and in your position should be something you also want.

First follow the learning-curve, know what's there to know, then comment on the things which are worthy to be commented about ... Ask mark lewis about the history of changing P4 ... he claims he's got an archive ...

This discussion could have been productive if you were approachable, you never even commented on what I thought was outdated, just choose to be derogatory.

Every once in a while we are visited by individuals just like you coming out of nowhere, thinking they know it all, spilling all their new ideas (which actually were already tabled 25 years ago) which in the end went nowhere ...

I hope other HATS see this and how your attitude has been.

My attitude is inspired by 28 years in the driver's seat and having seen enough nonsense to know what I'm talking about.

You want change? Change happens only one way and that is by doing it yourself, revising the articles, talking with people, send thousands of mails, run into brick walls put there by people just "because they can" and in the end remain empty handed.

If you're ready to do it, let me know when you've reached the point of no return and I'll guarantee you IC-support.

Take care,

\%/@rd

--- DB4 - Jan 26 2022
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1/ I am surprized you would consider me to be an idiot who needs

Your pulling words out of no where, obviously didn't read my message or chose to ignore it, where did I say you are an idiot?
I said you probably don't care about the policy and in your position you should.

WD> ",Down" ... a rose by any other name still is a rose ...
unreachable ... unlisted ... unavailable ... inexistant ... take your pick Again those 4 words are wrong. BTW I think you mean none existent, try reading what I said- just as the Quantum worm hole is listed as down, in your words meaning NO way to connect YET I was on that BBS a few hours ago, how can I connect to system that is not there?
Thank you for considering my BBS a rose even while listed s down. and after NEVER having logged on!
I consider you a thorn on the stem of FIDO, with the wrong attitude to be in the position you are. AND see I am not the only one who thinks your attitude is misplaced for such a position.

If it were an available node. even in its down-status, the guy would WD> not need to access Fido via a BBS in Z3.

READ MY OTHER MESSAGE, my system never got this echo.

instruction on how to look up things. Really?

https://nodehist.fidonet.org.ua/?name=Owen+Evers

Your quoting a message from someone else, not you searching. all you needed to do is look in the list its self, like this ,2,Eur_(365),B,Ward_Dossche,...........many-glacier.dyndns.org
some rather odd **.wmv files on there especially in the xxx folder.
WD> Even his NC/RC is unable to reach him ...
VC DID reach me, I have Emails saying about my listing being marked as down, to which I replied.

... A truly wise man never argues with a Unicorn

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Your request didn't make it to your NC as he is unable to contact you, hence he slammed ",Down" on you.

Oh yes it did, what happened after it made it there is another story.

Buddy ... I can recite Policy by heart after all these years, please
don't wave it in front of my eyes as if I'm not knowledgeable ...

Its what one does with the knowledge that matters. you choose to ignore it.
you don't deserve to be IC

out of nowhere, thinking they know it all, spilling all their new ideas (which actually were already tabled 25 years ago) which in the end went nowhere ...

ok, I don't think I know it all, where did that come from? As your clearly unaware, its new ideas that make progress happen, and without progress there is stagnation. As you have been involved for 28 years, that explains a lot. WD> My attitude is inspired by 28 years in the driver's seat and having seen WD> enough nonsense to know what I'm talking about.
what are you talking about? apart from having a go at me for no apparent reason connected to my original post.
WD> yourself, revising the articles, talking with people, send thousands of WD> mails, run into brick walls put there by people just "because they can" WD> (2:292/854)
Now that is a better comment, and WAS my intension. until I found out that the brick walls would be placed there by some one not open to constructive dialogue, stuck in the 80's. enjoy - while it lasts. your a relic, holding back something that was once a fine thing.

... ASCII stupid question, get a stupid ANSI.

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Hi, Ward!

05 䥢 22 09:47, Ward Dossche -> Stas Mishchenkov:

You're not even a listed sysop ... why should you care?

How did you find it? ;)

https://nodehist.fidonet.org.ua/?name=Owen+Evers

1/ I am surprized you would consider me to be an idiot who needs instruction

I, in turn, was surprised that you did not pay attention to the smile.

on how to look up things. Really?

I had no doubt that you looked into the nodelist.

2/ ",Down" ... a rose by any other name still is a rose ...
unreachable
...
unlisted ... unavailable ... inexistant ... take your pick ...
If it were an available node. even in its down-status, the guy would not
need to access Fido via a BBS in Z3.
Even his NC/RC is unable to reach him ...

I guess it's more correct to say that he is listed as a Down.

Enjoy the week-end,

I'm sorry if this offended you in any way.

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.
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Stas,

I'm sorry if this offended you in any way.

It did not ... just straight talk ...

A lot more is needed to get me offended anymore, if at all. There are less days ahead of me than behind and I want to waste as little time as possible.

Take care,

\%/@rd

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