I've written a perl script for the Husky HPT mail processor that
filters unwanted echo messages from selected Echo Areas, the script
has a configuration file where you can filter messages based on the From/To fields, Echo Area Name, source node or a mix of the three.
The filter is available in the fidomimac file area on the 2:335/364 node, you can download it from the ]\/[imac Rebirth BBS via telnet at mimac.bizzi.org port 2323 or via FREQ at the node 2:335/364 with the magic ECHOCLEANER (il will send the latest version of the filter) or via HTTP on http://mimac.bizzi.org/fileBase/fidomimac .
It's in beta and it was tested ony on two linux systems, if someone would like to test also on other system I'll be happy to correct any bug/issue that could be present.
I hope it could be helpful for someone that likes the old style fidonet echo conferences. ;)
Nowhere in your documentation you specify if this filters messagesI supposed that who'll uses the filter knows how works hpt, anyway your observation is right, I'll update the documentation as soon as possible. :)
only before importing them into the messagebase or also on
forwarded messages, essentially censoring feeds for downlinks of
the system where this filter is used?
On 10-07-19 16:17, Fabio Bizzi <=-
spoke to All about Unwanted echo messages <=-
I've written a perl script for the Husky HPT mail processor
that filters unwanted echo messages from selected Echo
Areas, the script has a configuration file where you can
filter messages based on the From/To fields, Echo Area
Name, source node or a mix of the three.
I seriously hope that you use that script only on messages for your reading and not use it on any messages that you are transmitting to
anyone else.
Granted. However as a member of Fidonet, you are expected to comply
with the Fidonet rules when you handle Fidonet mail. In Fidonet
tampering with in-transit mail is a non-no.
Indeed. And so anyone is free to refuse to feed you mail if you
continue to censor it. On my system *I* decide who gets a feed. You
have just disqualified yourself from getting areamanager privileges
here.
I seriously hope that you use that script only on messages for
your reading and not use it on any messages that you are
transmitting to anyone else.
With all the respect, it's my system and as you wrote in a previous message I'm free to implement what I want on my system.
My downlinks are aware about the filtering so if they disagree they
are free to move to another uplink or join the fidoweb multiple uplink style.
Freedom is always a 2 face medal. :)
Granted. However as a member of Fidonet, you are expected to
comply with the Fidonet rules when you handle Fidonet mail. In
Fidonet tampering with in-transit mail is a non-no.
Please could you show me where it's written this rule for echomail.
I respect all the netmail routing without any change.
Ok, thank you for your kindness, I'll remove the filtering on in transit echo mails as written in the rules. I respect the rules.Please could you show me where it's written this rule for=== quote ===
echomail. I respect all the netmail routing without any change.
Please could you show me where it's written this rule for
echomail. I respect all the netmail routing without any change.
=== quote ===Ok, thank you for your kindness,
I'll remove the filtering on in transit echo mails as written in the rules. I respect the rules.
Ok, thank you for your kindness, I'll remove the filtering on in transit echo mails as written in the rules. I respect the rules.
Ok, thank you for your kindness, I'll remove the filtering on intransit echo
mails as written in the rules. I respect the rules.
There are ways to filter unwanted posts without disrupting mail
flow. GoldED
has a filter and I'm sure most news readers have filters also.
On 10-08-19 10:37, Fabio Bizzi <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Unwanted echo messag <=-
I seriously hope that you use that script only on messages for your reading and not use it on any messages that you are transmitting to
anyone else.
With all the respect, it's my system and as you wrote in a
previous message I'm free to implement what I want on my
system.
My downlinks are aware about the filtering so if they
disagree they are free to move to another uplink or join
the fidoweb multiple uplink style.
On 10-08-19 16:37, Alan Ianson <=-
spoke to Fabio Bizzi about Unwanted echo messag <=-
Ok, thank you for your kindness, I'll remove the
filtering on in transit echo
mails as written in the rules. I respect the rules.
There are ways to filter unwanted posts without disrupting
mail flow. GoldED has a filter and I'm sure most news
readers have filters also.
There are ways to filter unwanted posts without disrupting mail flow. GoldED has a filter and I'm sure most news readers have filters also.
I will leave it to the policy lawyers to decide whether or not such filtering on the mail you pass on to your downlinks constitutes a violation of section 2.1.5. To me deletion of messages is a form of alteration, explicitly forbidden.
Please could you show me where it's written this rule for echomail.
I respect all the netmail routing without any change.
My downlinks are aware about the filtering so if they
disagree they are free to move to another uplink or join
the fidoweb multiple uplink style.
I will leave it to the policy lawyers to decide whether or not such filtering on the mail you pass on to your downlinks constitutes a violation of section 2.1.5. To me deletion of messages is a form of alteration, explicitly forbidden.
But that is all I will have to say about it.
There are ways to filter unwanted posts without disrupting mail flow.
GoldED has a filter and I'm sure most news readers have filters also.
Thank you Alan, I'm running echocleaner on my main point and I'm experiencing a nicer fidonet. :)
The above three points are al very nice but echomail is NOT routed nor in transit..
All echomail that arrives at your system is addressed to your system
(as in the packets are).
Your system has to "readdress them to get them to the next step in
their journey.
Well, if you dislike tv advertisements on a recorded tv movie do you skip them or do you watch them anyway? :)Thank you Alan, I'm running echocleaner on my main point and I'mYou qualify to be a Z1 sysop - to never see anything you disagree
experiencing a nicer fidonet. :)
with filter everyone you disagree with.
On 10-10-19 10:49, David Drummond <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Unwanted echo messag <=-
Did you raise a ruckus when a certain node in the Z1
distribution system filtered my epistles from the flow?
Anyway, filtering messages are like automatic arrow keys, I'm lazy. ;)
Anyway, filtering messages are like automatic arrow keys, I'm
lazy. ;)
It's like the end of the Roman Empire ... they were lazy too ... or
they ran out of EVROO .... 8-)
You qualify to be a Z1 sysop - to never see anything you disagree
with filter everyone you disagree with.
Well, if you dislike tv advertisements on a recorded tv movie do you
skip them or do you watch them anyway? :)
The matter is not the freedom but the freedom without rules that's anarchy, your freedom stops when meet mine.
To guarantee freedom for all the freedom must have boundaries, the rules rule the boundaries, if you don't agree with the rules in democracy you can try to change them, but anyway you have to respect them. :)
Another problem is the lack of rules and moderators on some echo areas, and also if moderators return they need to get the possibility to stop users/nodes as they had in the past.
Anyway, filtering messages are like automatic arrow keys, I'm lazy. ;)
any ofhis echomail posts to any node at all.MvdV>>> === end quote ===
The above three points are al very nice but echomail is NOT routed nor in
transit..
but it can be routed and in-transit... we've already talked about this
in recent years... even had opportunity to show an example of such...
All echomail that arrives at your system is addressed to your system
(as in the packets are).
not always... in fact, several tossers have the ability to forward
packets on to other systems if they are not addressed to the system processing those packets ;)
Your system has to "readdress them to get them to the next step in
their journey.
for directly delivered echomail, this is true...
Well, if you dislike tv advertisements on a recorded tv movie do
you skip them or do you watch them anyway? :)
Or do I demand that the TV station not broadcast them as appears to be
the standard for Fidonetters
The matter is not the freedom but the freedom without rules
that's anarchy, your freedom stops when meet mine.
And the converse is true too.
To guarantee freedom for all the freedom must have boundaries,
the rules rule the boundaries, if you don't agree with the rules
in democracy you can try to change them, but anyway you have to
respect them. :)
Respect must be earned. It is not just given...
Another problem is the lack of rules and moderators on some echo
areas, and also if moderators return they need to get the
possibility to stop users/nodes as they had in the past.
Welcome to the 21st century. The Z1 uberlord model has been thrown
out.
Anyway, filtering messages are like automatic arrow keys, I'm
lazy. ;)
And for the downfeeds? Does your lazy demeanour get to choose for them too?
Well, if you dislike tv advertisements on a recorded tv movie do
you skip them or do you watch them anyway? :)
Or do I demand that the TV station not broadcast them as appears to be
the standard for Fidonetters
I demand to follow the rules, if the channel broadcast fishing programs
I don't like to see hunting, if I want to see hunting I switch on the hunting channel, on that channel no one is arguing if someone broadcast hunting documentaries. :)
The matter is not the freedom but the freedom without rules
that's anarchy, your freedom stops when meet mine.
And the converse is true too.
Yes. so we have to rule the freedom otherwise is the chaos.
To guarantee freedom for all the freedom must have boundaries,
the rules rule the boundaries, if you don't agree with the rules
in democracy you can try to change them, but anyway you have to
respect them. :)
Respect must be earned. It is not just given...
The respect of the rules must be given if you want to be in the system, otherwise you can freely choose to exit the system and enter in another system more suitable for you.
Or better if you like the system but disagree on some rules you can doyour best to change the rules that you
dislike. ;)
Another problem is the lack of rules and moderators on some echo
areas, and also if moderators return they need to get the
possibility to stop users/nodes as they had in the past.
Welcome to the 21st century. The Z1 uberlord model has been thrown
out.
This is the mistake! You are confusing a mere censorship with moderation and rule enforcement, a moderator can be changed if he's abusing of his role, I remember that it's occurred in Italy in the past in an italian echo conference.
I'm not saying that's simple, I'm sayng that's what it should be in place.
Anyway, filtering messages are like automatic arrow keys, I'm
lazy. ;)
And for the downfeeds? Does your lazy demeanour get to choose for them
too?
I don't know if you read my previous email, I don't filter anymore any message.
The above three points are al very nice but echomail is NOT routed nor
in transit.. All echomail that arrives at your system is addressed to
your system (as in the packets are).
Your system has to "readdress them to get them to the next step in
their journey.
The above three points are al very nice but echomail is NOT routed nor
in transit.. All echomail that arrives at your system is addressed to
your system (as in the packets are).
Your system has to "readdress them to get them to the next step in
their journey.
I demand to follow the rules, if the channel broadcast fishing
programs I don't like to see hunting, if I want to see hunting I
switch on the hunting channel, on that channel no one is arguing
if someone broadcast hunting documentaries. :)
And you you cannot exercise the same self control here?
The matter is not the freedom but the freedom without rules
that's anarchy, your freedom stops when meet mine.
And the converse is true too.
Yes. so we have to rule the freedom otherwise is the chaos.
And the problem with that is...?
You are in full control of YOUR system. If you find something too
annoying don't import it.
The respect of the rules must be given if you want to be in the
system, otherwise you can freely choose to exit the system and
enter in another system more suitable for you.
What rules are you speaking of. There do not appear to be any rules
for this echo that support your stance.
Whatever... I convinced Fabio that censoring except for one's own use
is a no-no in Fidonet and that is what matters to me.
Does echomail "pass through" or is it re-broadcast at each node?
Your system has to "readdress them to get them to the next step
in their journey.
That destination is decided by your system, not the original sender of
the message...
And here was me thinking "routing" involved attaching a destination address to a message an it finding it's way there.
All of the echo messages I write are not addressed to any node - my broadcast "rules" decides where to send it to.
Whatever... I convinced Fabio that censoring except for one's own
use is a no-no in Fidonet and that is what matters to me.
But P4 allows me to bounce the unwanted routing messages to the node originating by adding the matter of the bouncing.... >8^)
A new evil script is on the run... Muahahahahahahaha....
:P :P :P :P :P :P :P
I'm joking, obviously, but looking at the P4 it looks really possible.
:)
But at this point we all have to rely to the rules, and if there
aren't any more rule, whell is time to write new.
Dale Shipp wrote to Alan Ianson <=-
So does my BLueWave reader.
You are in full control of YOUR system. If you find something too
annoying don't import it.
But tell me why I have to unsubscribe an echo area when the most of the messages of that echo are interesting, only because one person with
mental diseases is injecting noise? The problem is at the peak not at
the sea.
And as Michiel showed before P4 says that I can't alter o delete in transit messages from an echo feed, the only thing that I can do is bouncing them to the node that has originated with an explanation of why I've bounced them.
What rules are you speaking of. There do not appear to be any rules
for this echo that support your stance.
There are the general P4 rules in first instance and the specific echo area rules, in this echo the latter is missing but P4 should be
respected by all the fidonet nodes, isn't it?
9 Resolution of Disputes
9.1 General
The FidoNet judicial philosophy can be summed up in two rules:
1) Thou shalt not excessively annoy others.
2) Thou shalt not be too easily annoyed.
In other words, there are no hard and fast rules of conduct, butreasonably
polite behavior is expected.
Also, in any dispute both sides are examined, and action could be takenagainst either or both parties. ("Judge not, lest
ye be judged!")
REASONABLY POLITE BEHAVIOUR.
All this story is paradoxical.
- General Chatting should go in a general chatting echo
- Sysops business should go in a sysops reserved echo that only sysops should read and write
- Sysops Chatting and meets with the users should go in a general sysop meet users echo area that all can read and write
- Politics debates should go in a politic echo area
Why insult?
Why writing about politics in a fidonet news echo? Why
trolling? CUI PRODEST?
On 10-09-19 06:50, Kurt Weiske <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Unwanted echo messag <=-
Dale Shipp wrote to Alan Ianson <=-
So does my BLueWave reader.
Doesn't it also filter messages written after Dec 31, 1999? :)
Dale Shipp wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-
Doesn't it also filter messages written after Dec 31, 1999? :)
?? Not sure what your point is. Bluewave filters only messages I tell
it to filter (if any) and certainly not by the date as you suggest.
On 10-12-19 08:20, Kurt Weiske wrote to Dale Shipp <=-
Is Joke. BlueWave had Y2K problems, which was when I discovered
MultiMail.
Hello Fabio,
On Tuesday October 08 2019 15:40, you wrote to me:
Granted. However as a member of Fidonet, you are expected to
comply with the Fidonet rules when you handle Fidonet mail. In
Fidonet tampering with in-transit mail is a non-no.
Please could you show me where it's written this rule for echomail.
I respect all the netmail routing without any change.
=== quote ===
2.1.5 No Alteration of Routed Mail
You may not modify, other than as required for routing or other technical purposes, any message, netmail or echomail, passing through the system from one FidoNet node to another. If you are offended by the content of a message, the procedure described in section 2.1.7 must be used.
=== end quote ===
=== quote ===
2.1.7 Not Routing Mail
[...]
Intentionally stopping an in-transit message without following this procedur constitutes annoying behavior.
=== end quote ===
=== quote ===
9.9 Echomail
Echomail is an important and powerful force in FidoNet. For the purposes of Policy Disputes, echomail is simply a different flavor of netmail, and is therefore covered by Policy.
=== end quote ===
Cheers, Michiel
Echopol right?
Hello Carol!
05 Nov 19 19:14, you wrote to Michiel van der Vlist:
Echopol right?
No, the P4. :)
It covers also echomail conferences, the echopolicy is a more specific rele with deeper details. :)
Ciao!
Fabio
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