On 06 Jun 21 18:17:42, Michiel Van Der Vlist said the following to Nick Andre:

That is the beauty of Fido over IP. There is no problem. No one is dependan on one particular link. If some arrogant asshole no longer wants to link wi me, I just route around him/her. I have plenty of direct links into Z1 to n need you.

Okay soooo.... why the need to insult Ward's system then in the first place, if you can just route your way around everything in place?

Lemme guess - because "you can".

Nick
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You do not have a direct-link here and have not for quite some time
despite your outright bullshit claim in another echo.

MvdV> Indeed, I do not have a direct link with you. I did in the past, but it
MvdV> was discontinued on your "request".

And despite some outright bullshit claim, the zone war goes on...



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Michiel,

I'm in touch with all RCs by default, hence I can assure a
guaranteed delivery.

With all due respect, no such guarantee can be given.

You really need to read what it says, not what you think it says. I guarantee delivery ... If a netmail does not reach me, of course it will not be delivered. But when I get it, I have a delivery option which works...

... There is no known
co-sysop for your system so if it crashes during your absence nothing can be done. In the past that has happened on more than one occasison.

You are not wrong here, of course. "on more than one occasion" is probably right ... so was that more than 2 occasions, or just 2? I'm calculating a reliability of 99,68% ... not bad, not bad at all.

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Bjorn,

And despite some outright bullshit claim, the zone war goes on...

Not with the current ZC1 and ZC2 at the helm.

You have no clue how well and how close we work together to keep the ship afloat ... including hour-long phone-conversations ... ZC1 has access to everything here if he so desires, there's a level of trust and confidentiality which previously were impossible in Fidonet.

\%/@rd
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Hello, Bj”rn Felten.
On 6/6/21 6:59 PM you wrote:

You do not have a direct-link here and have not for quite some
time despite your outright bullshit claim in another echo.

MvdV>> Indeed, I do not have a direct link with you. I did in the
MvdV>> past, but it was discontinued on your "request".

And despite some outright bullshit claim, the zone war goes
on...

Fidonet will never die. In the end it will come down to two old men fighting about how they send mail to each other
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Mike
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On 06 Jun 21 21:55:52, Michiel Van Der Vlist said the following to Bj*Rn Felten

Having said that, I do not think what we see here is the return of the zone war. This is merely an issue with the person presently carrying the Z1C hat and and some sysops who do not like his style. Obviously the ZC1 is not a diplomat. But his undiplomacy is not just aimed at me or other Z2 sysops. Z sysops are on his radar as well. It happens. Ever so often technicians are lousy diplomats. Of course that does not work the other way around. Being a lousy diplomat does not necessarilly make a good technician.

LOL. I'm not here to be liked or be diplomatic or even get along with anyone.

There are very specific things I do in Fidonet and entertaining your masturbatory fantasies is not one of them. The more you rant about a zone-war the more it says about your secret desire to have one... you just can't stand that really nothing interesting happens in zone 1. Ask Wilfred and where
his nose is buried... if I fart he will tell you I should eat less cabbage.

Everyone gets "one chance" with me, including you. You blew that not by insulting me over a lack of IPV6 but rather when you decided to accuse me of acting on in-transit Netmail after Ben Ritchey died. Whatever your mental-hangup is, maybe its a Dutch thing... I don't care two shits. When you and some others make the grand-departure I will not give two shits either.

Nick
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On 06 Jun 21 15:25:13, Mike Miller said the following to Bj*Rn Felten:

You do not have a direct-link here and have not for quite some
time despite your outright bullshit claim in another echo.

MvdV>> Indeed, I do not have a direct link with you. I did in the
MvdV>> past, but it was discontinued on your "request".

And despite some outright bullshit claim, the zone war goes
on...

Fidonet will never die. In the end it will come down to two old men fightin about how they send mail to each other

I'm far from old...

Nick
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Fidonet will never die. In the end it will come down to two old men fighti about how they send mail to each other

I'm far from old...

I don't get what all the bitching is about? Posts come in, posts go out. Now if 3000 dupes are being tossed in, that's a different story. Other than that, I see no issues, just tons of bitching.

... If it ain't broken, play with it till it is.
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On 06 Jun 21 20:34:39, T.J. Mcmillen said the following to Nick Andre:

I don't get what all the bitching is about? Posts come in, posts go out. if 3000 dupes are being tossed in, that's a different story. Other than tha I see no issues, just tons of bitching.

Some individuals overseas miss the days of zone-wars, as if anyone cares in 2021. They can go fuck themselves. Its just too quiet for them these days.
Only things happening in Fidonet are test messages and Linux masturbation.

Dupes get zapped here instantly. Every couple of years or so we get someone taking a dump with old messages rescanned. Its not hard to skip 'em.

Nick
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Hey Michiel,

"netmail will arrive", that is what you wrote.

Yes, I stand by that. All netmail passing through the system here has a delivery solution direct to the region or zone. And more direct too if there was an arrangement.

I distrust figures that suggest four digit accuracy without further substantiation. I am not going to argue about on how many occasions your single Point of Failure has indeed failed. Two or ten times, I have
better things to do then delve into the archives. The point is, it IS a SPOF and SPOF is to be avoided when possible.

I think I had a major disc crash in 2006 ... Janis helped me recover from that ... in 2014 there was a power surge for reasons never explained which burned several aparatuses in the household and caused a minor fire which went nowhere because of lack of combustable material nearby. There may have been something in 2016 as I threw all the old hardware out ... 5 years of smoothness since (touch wood). That's what I remember and that time when my wife destroyed the telephone wall outlet with the vacuum ... don't think it lasted a day...

*1) It is not really a tree. It is more like a pyramid, or an inverted tree. The "root" ia at the top, not at the bootom.

For the record, I am not really disagreeing with you even if you think I am.

\%/@rd
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On 07 Jun 21 11:32:54, Michiel Van Der Vlist said the following to Nick Andre:

Whatever. Apart from the SPOF, all the more reason to avoid your system wh routing netmail.

Excellent decision, captain obvious. Avoid my system.

I don't do the Mark Lewis quote-game so the rest of your whining is ignored.

Nick
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El 7/6/21 a las 11:09, Michiel van der Vlist escribió:

Hello Ward,

On Monday June 07 2021 11:11, you wrote to me:

Mv>> The point is, it IS a SPOF and SPOF is to be avoided when possible.

WD> I think I had a major disc crash in 2006 ... Janis helped me recover
WD> from that ... in 2014 there was a power surge for reasons never
[..]
WD> 5 years of smoothness since (touch wood). That's what I remember and
WD> that time when my wife destroyed the telephone wall outlet with the
WD> vacuum ... don't think it lasted a day...

My notoriously unrelyable memorie tells me there were more incidents. What I am sure about is April 2020 during your Covid misadventure. You may have missed this entirely. Your binkp server answered calls and accepted data, but mail was not processed. No reply to PING and your areamanager did not respond either. The system was turned into a black hole. Mail was /not/ delivered.

This is not an objurgation. I am not blaming you in any way. I am just reporting what was observed. We run an amateur network and things happen. We can not be asked to make large investments to insure against all possible mishap.

The consequence is that there are no guarantees. Nobody can /guarantee/ delivery. Having said that: putting all the eggs in one basket is indeed not a good idea.

I have same result with my Z4 uplink.. server died several times.. it's
stop process messages and lost them too. I do not need uptime of 100%
but almost less "stops".

Saludos!
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Whatever your mental-hangup is, maybe its a Dutch thing... I don't
care two shits. When you and some others make the grand-departure I
will not give two shits either.

MvdV> Be assured that the feeling is mutual.

It's always sad to watch people who can keep a grudge for years and years. The sad thing is that those grudges only inflicts on the grudgees. How come they don't have more important matters to care about in their life?



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