On 3/8/2021 4:03 AM, between "Maurice Kinal - August Abolins":

:read !trans -b -no-ansi -s latvian -t english "Daudz baltu dieniņu, Laimiņa dodi, Diženi raženi, Dzīvojoti\!"
Lots of white days, Happy Happiness, Great Fruit, Lived!

I had to escape the exclaimation mark at the end. How accurate was this result?

It's too literal. The meaning of "baltu" should not be "white". The sentiment is more to wish "bright" days.

"Happy Happiness" is completely weird. The sentiment is to wish that the aforementioned "bright days" provide "lots of good luck" or "fortune".

The meaning of the whole thing should be something like:

"May many bright days of fortune be granted in your life."

Nevertheless, I like the convenience you have looking up the translation from the command-line. Maybe you can build a TRANSFIX akin to how ALLFIX works, and provide a translation report back to an echo! :D

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-={ 2021-03-08 05:21:59.636355613+00:00 }=-

Hey August!

"Happy Happiness" is completely weird.

I thought the whole thing was weird ... I still do even after reading your more reasonable translation shown below;

"May many bright days of fortune be granted in your life."

That looks much more plausable than my posted translation which I am not quoting back.

Life is good,
Maurice

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-={ 2021-03-08 05:26:07.526128637+00:00 }=-

Hey August!

The idea is to not count your chickens before they hatch.

We can't lose them all. Eventually it had to get something right or close enough to correctness.

Anyhow I am more than satisfied about all the utf-8 characters being preserved no matter where or what the input.

Life is good,
Maurice

... Ne sceal man to ær forht ne to ær fægen.
One should not be too soon fearful nor too soon joyful.
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Hi Maurice,
...Greets from my Telegram app!

-={ 2021-03-08 05:26:07.526128637+00:00 }=-

Hey August!

The idea is to not count your chickens before they hatch.

We can't lose them all. Eventually it had to get something right or close enough to correctness.

Anyhow I am more than satisfied about all the utf-8 characters being preserved no matter where or what the input.

Life is good,
Maurice

... Ne sceal man to ?r forht ne to ?r f?gen.
One should not be too soon fearful nor too soon joyful.

YES.. the chars preservation looks very good using Telegram and Thunderbird!

Ciao!
/|ug (https://t.me/aabolins)

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-={ 2021-03-10 00:55:43.370906039+00:00 }=-

Hey August!

-o "$Conference" == "FIDOTEST"

Try this one as it should convert utf-8 to cp866 automagically. I could do the same for latvian but I am sure it will get grunged. I am not betting the farm that this one won't get grunged but it shouldn't if CHRS kludges are to be believed.

Life is good,
Maurice

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Don't go to another monastery with your own rules
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Hello Maurice!

Try this one as it should convert utf-8 to cp866
automagically. I could do the same for latvian but I am
sure it will get grunged. I am not betting the farm that
this one won't get grunged but it shouldn't if CHRS kludges
are to be believed.

... � �㦮� ��������� � ᢮�� ��⠢�� �� 室��.
Don't go to another monastery with your own rules

The russ chars look fine in Telegram too. (But not in OpenXP
because there is no font suitable for console mode that will
support russian and english chars simultaneously).

Don't worry about the Latvian. The chars wouldn't be supported
in any fixed-width TTF (that this console program would use)
that I know of anyway, either.

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-={ 2021-03-10 01:54:59.071016839+00:00 }=-

Hey August!

@CHRS: CP437 2

Hm. That is really weird because your quote from me shows;

... � �㦮� ��������� � ᢮�� ��⠢�� �� 室��.
Don't go to another monastery with your own rules

Which are obviously cp866. It isn't possible for the cp437 codepage to display russian characters.

support russian and english chars simultaneously).

I can throw in latvian to the above and have them all in the same msg simultaneously ... and a few more while we're at it.

Don't worry about the Latvian.

I wasn't worried but just being complete. There is no good reason latvian and others can't be supported by having the right tools at hand. I believe we have proved that. As for your CHRS kludge I think it stands as further evidence how lame the CHRS kludge actually is. I don't think it is a keeper.

Life is good,
Maurice

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Marriages occur in heaven
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-={ 2021-03-10 02:06:16.212033291+00:00 }=-

Hey August!

@CHRS: CP866 2

That's better but it didn't really matter as shown below.

... � �㦮� ��������� � ᢮�� ��⠢�� �� 室��.

Looks fine with TB.

It also quoted back perfectly. Whoever created those characters obviously knows what he is talking about. :::evil grin:::

Life is good,
Maurice

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Hello Maurice!

** On Wednesday 10.03.21 - 01:54, you wrote to me:

@CHRS: CP437 2

Hm. That is really weird because your quote from me shows;

... � �㦮� ��������� � ᢮�� ��⠢�� �� 室��.
Don't go to another monastery with your own rules

Which are obviously cp866. It isn't possible for the cp437
codepage to display russian characters.

Yes.. I know that. But it's cool to know that OpenXP doesn't
necessarily grunge then up to the point where they can't be
decoded after a reply using cp437.

support russian and english chars simultaneously).

I can throw in latvian to the above and have them all in
the same msg simultaneously ... and a few more while we're
at it.

Understood. utf-8 would be the ticket for that. But then, it
still remains for utf-8 to be supported in OpenXP which is not
likely to happen.

Don't worry about the Latvian.

I wasn't worried but just being complete. There is no good
reason latvian and others can't be supported by having the
right tools at hand. I believe we have proved that.

For Latvian, I just have to stick with TB or Telegram. It ain't
gonna work in OpenXP unless I can get utf-8 support *and* a
Windows console font that works with that.

As for your CHRS kludge I think it stands as further
evidence how lame the CHRS kludge actually is. I don't
think it is a keeper.

Yes.. in your CP866 message to me and my CP437 quoted reply to
you, that may be the case. But atleast OpenXP did not butcher
the "original" to the point that you couldn't read the quoted
Russian chars back to you. THAT is not so lame. ;)
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Hi, Maurice!

10 ��� 21 00:55, Maurice Kinal -> August Abolins:

... � �㦮� ��������� � ᢮�� ��⠢�� �� 室��.
Don't go to another monastery with your own rules

Do you know so much Russian?

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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