rep packet 1

do not reply

___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30

quoting test


--- tg BBS v0.6.3
* Origin: Fido by Telegram BBS from Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/256)

On Sat, 20 Feb 2021 15:05:53 +0200 Brother Rabbit wrote:

rep packet 1

do not reply

___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30

quoting test

Hmm..

'Tommi

---
* Origin: rbb inngate (2:221/1.11)

On Sat, 20 Feb 2021 15:05:53 +0200 Brother Rabbit wrote:

rep packet 1

do not reply

___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30

quoting test

Hmm..

'Tommi

It was a fail


--- tg BBS v0.6.3
* Origin: Fido by Telegram BBS from Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/256)

rep packet 1

do not reply

___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30

quoting test

For the record, Synchronet does not accept multiple batch file uploads for QWK reply packets.

___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30
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Re: test multiple qwk uploads
By: Marceline Jones to BROTHER RABBIT on Sun Feb 21 2021 04:40 pm

For the record, Synchronet does not accept multiple batch file uploads for QWK reply packets.

No one has ever asked for that. What would the rep files be named - .re0, .re1, etc.? Assuming you'd want them imported in order, would .rep come first or last?
--
digital man

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Greets from my Telegram app!

Re: test multiple qwk uploads
By: Marceline Jones to BROTHER RABBIT on Sun Feb 21 2021 04:40 pm

For the record, Synchronet does not accept multiple batch file uploads for
QWK reply packets.

No one has ever asked for that. What would the rep files be named - .re0, .re1, etc.? Assuming you'd want them imported in order, would .rep come first or last?
--
digital man

Synchronet/BBS Terminology Definition #57:
PETSCII = PET Standard Code of Information Interchange (a.k.a. CBM ASCII) Norco, CA WX: 68.7øF, 18.0% humidity, 4 mph SW wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs

Conversely, multiple qwk downloads from the same bbs are either rejected or prompted to be replaced.

Qwk seems to be intended to dealt with right after the DL or deleted. No?

CIAO!

... Send $'s to http://paypal.me/ashliesbooks to decode this: [##### ###]
--- tg BBS v0.6.4
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Re: test multiple qwk uploads
By: August Abolins to Rob Swindell on Mon Feb 22 2021 01:34 am

Greets from my Telegram app!

Re: test multiple qwk uploads
By: Marceline Jones to BROTHER RABBIT on Sun Feb 21 2021 04:40 pm

For the record, Synchronet does not accept multiple batch file uploads for
QWK reply packets.

No one has ever asked for that. What would the rep files be named - .re0, .re1, etc.? Assuming you'd want them imported in order, would .rep come first or last?

Conversely, multiple qwk downloads from the same bbs are either rejected or prompted to be replaced.

That depends on the terminal program (or FTP client) which is downloading the packets.

Qwk seems to be intended to dealt with right after the DL or deleted. No?

Normally, yeah. And usually, a QWK packet downloaded immediately after another will contain no new messages.
--
digital man

Rush quote #71:
He's not concerned with yesterday, he knows constant change is here today Norco, CA WX: 71.8øF, 16.0% humidity, 3 mph NW wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs
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Re: test multiple qwk uploads
By: August Abolins to Rob Swindell on Sun Feb 21 2021 07:39 pm

Hello Rob!

** On Sunday 21.02.21 - 14:45, you wrote to me:

Conversely, multiple qwk downloads from the same bbs are
either rejected or prompted to be replaced.

That depends on the terminal program (or FTP client) which
is downloading the packets.

Terminal FTP just overwrites, doesn't it?
Zmodem from Netrunner, overwrites.
Zmodem from Syncterm, prompts for replacement?

Qwk seems to be intended to dealt with right after the DL or
deleted. No?

Normally, yeah. And usually, a QWK packet downloaded
immediately after another will contain no new messages.

Absolutley. But my point is that in its inception the QWK
process probably never anticipated more than a handful of
downloads per day and only spread far apart long enough for the
user to deal with a previous packet and be done with it.

I guess I'm agreeing with your point.

Rush quote #71:
He's not concerned with yesterday, he knows constant change
is here today

I have trouble with that song. New world man can't be one man
bearing all those characteristics.

He's noble enough to know what's right
But weak enough not to choose it
He's wise enough to win the world
But fool enough to lose it

Seems Neil was just describing the U.S.A. to me. :-)
--
digital man

Synchronet "Real Fact" #71:
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Re: test multiple qwk uploads
By: Marceline Jones to BROTHER RABBIT on Sun Feb 21 2021 04:40 pm

For the record, Synchronet does not accept multiple batch file uploads fo
QWK reply packets.

No one has ever asked for that. What would the rep files be named - .re0, .r
etc.? Assuming you'd want them imported in order, would .rep come first or last?
--
digital man

Synchronet/BBS Terminology Definition #57:
PETSCII = PET Standard Code of Information Interchange (a.k.a. CBM ASCII) Norco, CA WX: 68.7øF, 18.0% humidity, 4 mph SW wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs --- SBBSecho 3.13-Linux
* Origin: Vertrauen - [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net (1:103/705)

Actually, I don't think of ANY BBS software that has that feature in
it.

... Hi. I'll be your tagline for this evening.
--- Wildcat! v8.0.454.10 (May 26 2020), Editor Mod v2.1
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No one has ever asked for that. What would the rep files be named -
.re0, .re1, etc.? Assuming you'd want them imported in order, would
.rep come first or last? --
digital man

Well, I want to match QWK filenames with their corresponding REPs (eg. "VERT0001.QWK" and "VERT0001.REP"). That way, I know which replies came from which packet.

Should it matter how the uploaded files are named ? you could accept any filename and unpack them right ? eg. I could upload "ABC.DEF" and "UVW.XYZ" in one batch and Synchronet could just loop through each one.

What I found when testing this use case on Vertrauen was the 2nd file in the batch transfer gets aborted.

___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30
--- SBBSecho 3.13-Linux
* Origin: Vertrauen - [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net (1:103/705)

For the record, Synchronet does not accept multiple batch file uploads for

QWK reply packets. MJ>

___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30

Does it have something to do with the way you quote messages on
tg_BBS? Do I have to fix something in the code?
Heve a nice carrot!

I currently use Blue Wave as my QWK reader. Whatever it does should be fully compatible with the QWK standard right ?

What is tg_BBS ?

Are you the author of the QWK code in Synchronet ?

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Hi, Marceline!

25 䥢 21 21:34, Marceline Jones -> BROTHER RABBIT:

For the record, Synchronet does not accept multiple batch file
uploads for QWK reply packets. MJ>
___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30

Does it have something to do with the way you quote messages on
tg_BBS? Do I have to fix something in the code?
Heve a nice carrot!

I currently use Blue Wave as my QWK reader. Whatever it does should be fully compatible with the QWK standard right ?

I think yes.

What is tg_BBS ?

It allows you to read and write messages to Fidoshnye ehi from Telegram. Telegram. For example, using a smartphone or tablet.

Are you the author of the QWK code in Synchronet ?

No.

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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Re: test multiple qwk uploads
By: Marceline Jones to ROB SWINDELL on Thu Feb 25 2021 09:33 pm

No one has ever asked for that. What would the rep files be named - .re0, .re1, etc.? Assuming you'd want them imported in order, would .rep come first or last? --
digital man

Well, I want to match QWK filenames with their corresponding REPs (eg. "VERT0001.QWK" and "VERT0001.REP"). That way, I know which replies came from which packet.

Should it matter how the uploaded files are named ?

Yes.

you could accept any
filename and unpack them right ? eg. I could upload "ABC.DEF" and "UVW.XYZ" in one batch and Synchronet could just loop through each one.

No. The expected filename would be BBS-ID.REP (normally), but multiple REPs might be named BBS-ID.RE0, .RE1, etc. I'm not sure what your offline reader does. But the BBS-side would want to import them in a deterministic order.

What I found when testing this use case on Vertrauen was the 2nd file in the batch transfer gets aborted.

As I would expect.
--
digital man

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DOS = Disk Operating System (as in PC-DOS and MS-DOS)
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No one has ever asked for that. What would the rep files be named - .re0, .re1, etc.? Assuming you'd want them imported in order, would .rep come first or last? --
digital man

Well, I want to match QWK filenames with their corresponding REPs (eg. "VERT0001.QWK" and "VERT0001.REP"). That way, I know which replies came from
which packet.

Should it matter how the uploaded files are named ? you could accept any filename and unpack them right ? eg. I could upload "ABC.DEF" and "UVW.XYZ"
one batch and Synchronet could just loop through each one.

What I found when testing this use case on Vertrauen was the 2nd file in the
batch transfer gets aborted.

___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30
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Because that is not the way QWK works. You are trying to break a
standard and Synchronet does not like that. I can't think of any BBS
that will let you do that. It sounds like what you are wanting is the
Blue Wave Door which I believe does something similar for that, but it
is only available for 2 or 3 BBS types - two of which are Maximus and Telegard.

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For the record, Synchronet does not accept multiple batch file uploads

QWK reply packets. MJ>

___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30

Does it have something to do with the way you quote messages on tg_BBS? Do I have to fix something in the code?
Heve a nice carrot!

I currently use Blue Wave as my QWK reader. Whatever it does should be fully
compatible with the QWK standard right ?

What is tg_BBS ?

Are you the author of the QWK code in Synchronet ?

___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30
--- SBBSecho 3.13-Linux
* Origin: Vertrauen - [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net (1:103/705)

Rob Swindell is the author of Synchronet. Synchronet uses the QWK
standard written by another person/people.

... I wanna be a real Tagline when I grow up.
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Robert Wolfe wrote to Rob Swindell <=-

Re: test multiple qwk uploads
By: Marceline Jones to BROTHER RABBIT on Sun Feb 21 2021 04:40 pm

For the record, Synchronet does not accept multiple batch file uploads

fo

QWK reply packets.

No one has ever asked for that. What would the rep files be named - .re0,

.r

etc.? Assuming you'd want them imported in order, would .rep come first or last?
--
digital man

Actually, I don't think of ANY BBS software that has that feature in
it.

Concord can detect reply packets from uploaded files. I had to check.

It can toss RBB.REP and RBB.NEW from the same upload session. It can also toss RBB.NEW and RBB.NE1 from the same upload session. Only flaw is that is asks
for description for RBB.NE1 file. :)

======================================================================

Press (Enter) to start transfer, (A) to abort, (!) to log off after transfer,
(P) to change transfer protocol.
Start your transfer now or press <Ctrl-X> over a dozen times to abort.



Upload Zmodem

rbb.ne1 (494 chrs, 0:00 min = 494 cps eff)
rbb.new (494 chrs, 0:00 min = 494 cps eff)



Checking uploaded file RBB.NE1 ...


Enter descriptions for files

RBB.NE1 test

Tossing message packet to message base...
Message saved :
To: All ( Public )
Subj: test
Area: FIDOTESTX - Fidonet TEST echo and malfunction conf


Duplicate message found from message packet. Deleted!

Press (Enter) to continue.

======================================================================

'Tommi

... MultiMail, the new multi-platform, multi-format offline reader!

--- Concord/2/BW 1.06 (Reg.)
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Quoting Marceline Jones to Rob Swindell <=-

No one has ever asked for that. What would the rep files be named -
.re0, .re1, etc.? Assuming you'd want them imported in order, would
.rep come first or last? --
digital man

Well, I want to match QWK filenames with their corresponding REPs (eg. "VERT0001.QWK" and "VERT0001.REP"). That way, I know which replies
came from which packet.

Your intention is save your replies? Don't need this. Only select
this option ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ¿
³
QWK Settings: (Synchronet) ³
³
[A] Ctrl-A Color Codes : Strip ³
[T] Archive Type : ZIP ³
[E] Include E-mail Messages : Un-read Only ³
[I] Include File Attachments : Yes ³
[D] Delete E-mail Automatically : Yes ³
[F] Include New Files List : Yes ³
[N] Include Index Files : Yes ³
[C] Include Control Files : Yes ³
[V] Include VOTING.DAT File : No ³
[H] Include HEADERS.DAT File : Yes ³
[Y] Include Messages from You : Yes <ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÙ
[Z] Include Time Zone (@TZ) : No
[P] Include Message Path (@VIA) : No
[M] Include Message/Reply IDs : No
[X] Extended (QWKE) Packet Format: Yes


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[10] Download mail from you : YES <ÄÄÄÄÙ


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Hi, Marceline!

28 䥢 21 16:43, Marceline Jones -> STAS MISHCHENKOV:

Oh ok. I thought it was some BBS software.

This is a rather specific BBS software.

I am sure some people think it is cool to use Fidonet on smart phones
and tablets

It's useful.

but it is not my style. I prefer to use pre-2000 stuff to
get a more authentic experience.

This is your choice. I also use a regular computer for Fido, but sometimes it is convenient to read echo conferences from my phone on the road.

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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For example, I have "VERT.REP.001" and "VERT.REP.002" ... when I upload these les I might decide to rename the 002 to "VERT.REP" and upload it first.

Why do you have multiple REP files? Most QWK readers will allow you to
keep appending to the same REP until you are aready to upload it. SLMR and MultiMail both do. When you reopen the/open a new QWK packet, they ask if
you want to delete the REP. If you say no, the reader will reopen the old
one and let you keep adding to it.

The messages all stay in order that way, too.

I think you are looking for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist?


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Why does the order matter ?

The author of the messages may care. If you don't care the order in
which your messages are posted, then cool. --

Perhaps a sensible default would be to process files in ascending filename order. This would allow users to upload whatever files they want and obviate the need for strict extensions. If it turns out that messages are being imported with undesired chronology, then the uploader can be reminded to use logically sequenced file names.

___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30
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Well, I want to match QWK filenames with their corresponding REPs (eg. "VERT0001.QWK" and "VERT0001.REP"). That way, I know which replies
came from which packet.

Your intention is save your replies? Don't need this. Only
select this option ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ¿
³
QWK Settings: (Synchronet) ³
³
[A] Ctrl-A Color Codes : Strip ³
[T] Archive Type : ZIP ³
[E] Include E-mail Messages : Un-read Only ³
[I] Include File Attachments : Yes ³
[D] Delete E-mail Automatically : Yes ³
[F] Include New Files List : Yes ³
[N] Include Index Files : Yes ³
[C] Include Control Files : Yes ³
[V] Include VOTING.DAT File : No ³
[H] Include HEADERS.DAT File : Yes ³
[Y] Include Messages from You : Yes <ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÙ
[Z] Include Time Zone (@TZ) : No
[P] Include Message Path (@VIA) : No
[M] Include Message/Reply IDs : No
[X] Extended (QWKE) Packet Format: Yes

It is not about the replies. It is about knowing which REP packet belongs to which QWK packet on disk so that I can trace a message thread.

Only one QWK packet can be open for reading at any time, therefore I can only see a part of a thread at any time (depending on which QWK packet I have open). By keeping the REP packets in sync whith their corresponding QWK packets, locating and viewing the original messages is easier.

For example I archive all my QWK downloads (eg. VERT0001.QWK, VERT002.QWK etc). I also archive all my REP packets (eg. VERT0001.REP, VERT0002.REP etc). So if I am viewing "VERT0002.REP", I know the originating messages must be in "VERT0002.QWK" and vice versa.

When uploading REP packets to Synchronet, I have to do it one file at a time. I see no reason why it cannot be done by batch upload.

___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30
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For example, I have "VERT.REP.001" and "VERT.REP.002" ... when I upload these
les I might decide to rename the 002 to "VERT.REP" and upload it first.

Why do you have multiple REP files? Most QWK readers will allow you
to keep appending to the same REP until you are aready to upload it.

I want to generate REP files for each QWK file so I know which QWK file contains the original message being replied to.

SLMR and MultiMail both do. When you reopen the/open a new QWK packet, they ask if you want to delete the REP. If you say no, the reader will reopen the old one and let you keep adding to it.
The messages all stay in order that way, too.

I believe QWK readers pack replies in the order that messages are written, and the import is done in the order in which a REP is uploaded combined with the order that individual messages within the REP is packed. So the chronology of messages that Synchronet imports depends entirely on what the end user does.

I think you are looking for a solution to a problem that doesn't
exist?

It is more an inconvenience (than a problem) for my specific use case. Something that I observed in Synchronet and decided to whinge about it. Rob Swindell then said nobody ever asked for that feature, and I more or less said why not ?

___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30
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Quoting Marceline Jones to Mauro Veiga <=-

For example I archive all my QWK downloads (eg. VERT0001.QWK,
VERT002.QWK etc). I also archive all my REP packets (eg. VERT0001.REP, VERT0002.REP etc). So if I am viewing "VERT0002.REP", I know the originating messages must be in "VERT0002.QWK" and vice versa.

When uploading REP packets to Synchronet, I have to do it one file at
a time. I see no reason why it cannot be done by batch upload.

Understood. I think you want a very particular way of working with
QWK packages. It seems to me something that would need to be
developed together with the door and the offline mail reader.

It is not what you want but here I work with the packages as
follows: every 30th of the month I retract the message pointers
until the 30th of the previous month and download a package of
messages. I delete the packages read during the month and keep
monthly backups of the messages and my replies.
It works well for me.

(sorry by google translation)



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=======
_____----(_o_)----_____
/ `-------------' \ Mauro R. Veiga abutrebbs@yahoo.com.br
[' `]

MeSSaGe SiTTeR 1.00 - Full Version
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Understood. I think you want a very particular way of working
with QWK packages. It seems to me something that would need to be developed together with the door and the offline mail reader.

A QWK and REP merging tool would be the answer.

That way, new packets can just be appended to the same file.

It is not what you want but here I work with the packages as
follows: every 30th of the month I retract the message pointers
until the 30th of the previous month and download a package of
messages. I delete the packages read during the month and keep
monthly backups of the messages and my replies.
It works well for me.

What you are doing would still require keeping separate REP packets. What if I decided to reply to a message, then upload the REP packet ? -- I would end up with 30 REP packets each month.

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Quoting Marceline Jones to Mauro Veiga <=-

It is not what you want but here I work with the packages as
follows: every 30th of the month I retract the message pointers
until the 30th of the previous month and download a package of
messages. I delete the packages read during the month and keep
monthly backups of the messages and my replies.
It works well for me.

What you are doing would still require keeping separate REP packets.
What if I decided to reply to a message, then upload the REP packet ?
-- I would end up with 30 REP packets each month.

I still don't understand the reason for saving REP packets. All
messages and my replies are in the QWK packets. If i need to reply
a old messages simply i make the replies and upload the REP. Don't
need to use the original REP from the old packet.

Seems like you want a very personalized (and complicated) way to
organize a packets collection. A personal arrange.

On my historical packets from 90's i only used merge programs to
have few packets to save and simplify data searches.


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³
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MeSSaGe SiTTeR 1.00 - Full Version
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