• USA vs Sweden

    From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to All on Fri Sep 11 15:21:32 2020
    Hello Everybody,

    Which country will win the race to the bottom?
    Will it be the USA, led by the orange clown?
    Or will it be Sweden, led by nobody in charge?
    Here are the mortality rates pertaining to coronavirus -

    https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality


    Notice the very close contest between the US and Sweden -

    Country | Confirmed Cases | Deaths | Case-Fatality | Deaths/100K Pop.
    USA 6,396,551 191,766 3.0% 58.61
    Sweden 86,194 5,843 6.8% 57.38

    You read that right. Swedes are dying twice as fast as Americans.
    It will not take long for Swedes to overcome the numbers shown above.
    With that in mind, the editor of the Fidonews should take note to
    mask up, and always wash his hands after touching his keyboard.

    --Lee

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Bj”rn Felten on Sat Sep 12 09:25:04 2020
    On 12/09/2020 04:39, 2203/2 wrote:
    [...]
     LL>> Or will it be Sweden, led by nobody in charge?

       My bet is on the country that does not filter the stats:
    [...]

    Are you and Lee the only two left alive in FidoNet (well, me too I suppose, I am browsing here)?

    Or is everyone locked down, even from their keyboards?

    Damn it's quiet - in the real world and in here.

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    Regards
    David

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  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to David Drummond on Sat Sep 12 15:14:02 2020
    Damn it's quiet - in the real world and in here.

    I'm pretty sure other virtual communities thrive as a consequence of lockdowns and distancing. Actually, I was hoping to see something like that in FidoNet a few months ago when this all started. However, it didn't happen. Draw your own conclusions.


    Regards,
    Gerrit

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Sep 15 10:37:02 2020
    Hi, Lee Lofaso!
    I read your message from 13.09.2020 21:53

    LL> The forest fires raging out west will continue to march
    LL> eastward, and all the houses will be destroyed in the process.
    LL> After we lose about 70% of our population, we might have enough
    LL> land available for Russians to come over and build new houses.
    LL> And that will be good for business ...

    Don't be so despair! ;-) It will end soon. Actually, SAR and SAR2(covid)
    are similar viruses, and they live according the same rules. The only difference between them is the level of transmissibility (and SAR2 is
    much less deadly). As the rezult SAR had developed on Earth in a much
    smaller area and died itself, and all the vaccines against SAR appeared
    to be useless waste of money.

    In other words SAR2 is a scaled replica of SAR. It will die after people
    in the area (Earth in the SAR2 case) become exposed to the virus for
    necessary time. After that the epidemic ends.

    Cheers! ;)

    Bye, Lee!
    Alexander Koryagin

    fido7.fidonews 2020

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Lee Lofaso on Thu Sep 17 22:32:52 2020
    More accurate would be to say the person died of complications
    due to COVID-19, rather than of COVID-19 itself.

    More accurate would be to keep records of how many excessive deaths you have, compared to any other, normal year. That's what we do in Sweden.

    Of course it means that we seem to have a lot of deaths, but at least we think we can contribute them properly.

    As our chief expert said: we only have the true numbers many years away from now...


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Fri Sep 18 20:53:32 2020
    Hello Bj”rn,

    More accurate would be to say the person died of complications
    due to COVID-19, rather than of COVID-19 itself.

    More accurate would be to keep records of how many excessive deaths you have, compared to any other, normal year. That's what we do in Sweden.

    I posted the numbers of the USA versus the numbers of Sweden,
    comparing the two side by side. Note the difference with the USA
    being shown as having a 3.0% death rate vs Sweden being shown
    as having a 6.8% death rate.

    The way the mortality death rate is calculated by each country
    is the difference. Had the USA used Sweden's method, the mortality
    death rate would have been closer to 6.8% rather than 3.0%

    Of course it means that we seem to have a lot of deaths, but at least we think we can contribute them properly.

    Stats do not change the number of deaths. How deaths are counted
    are a whole new ball game.

    As our chief expert said: we only have the true numbers many years away from
    now...

    Spanish Flu.
    Day 1 - contract the flu
    Day 2 - dead

    COVID-19
    Week 1 - everything fine
    Week 2 - everything fine
    Week 3 - no taste or smell
    Week 4 - gag, cough, phlegm
    Week 5 - pushing up daisies

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Fri Sep 18 20:53:42 2020
    Hello Alexander,

    I say once again -- any illnesses like flue, pneumonia cause heavy
    complications on the people with chronic diseases. If you have flu
    and temperature 103F, it can end lamentably if you have
    cardiovascular and other problems. I repeat that the matter is to
    which illness you attribute death if it happened.

    Here's the problem - The CDC counts those who have died *with*
    COVID-19. But people of the country want to know how many people
    have died *of* COVID-19.

    And also people want to know not the number registered covid cases for
    the half-yearly period -- they want to know the number people who is
    covid positive AT present moment.

    Do they? Last night very few people were wearing a mask while
    listening to President Trump (who also was not wearing a mask)
    at a rally. This really was more like a super-spreader event.
    How many who attened last night's event will wind up getting
    sick or dead? We won't know until a few weeks from now.

    Bottom line. As long as the president himself does not get
    sick and die, everything is fine. So where's the problem?

    Do you want to cause panic in some city?

    Everybody at the Trump rally was cheering him wildly.
    No panic at all. Nothing but madness. Total madness.

    Tell them the general number of people who have had the virus for
    a long period of time. But in the opposite case you'll tell them how
    many people are ill at present day.

    Look. Nobody knows how many people are, or have been, sick.
    It is known how many are dead who have at least had COVID-19.
    After about three months or so, tests do not show if one has
    been exposed to COVID-19. So. How many people are contagious?
    Nobody knows.

    One can argue there are few cases with COVID-19 as the cause of
    death, but rather lots of cases with COVID-19 as an underlying
    cause of death.

    We also know now that the majority of people are ill with covid without symptoms.

    That can easily be shown by the low numbers of people who have
    been tested.

    It means that they can be ill with all possible diseases, but
    covid has nothing to do with clinical course.

    Which is exactly what Laurie Garrett has been telling people.

    But in case of death there is the order to attribute this death to covid because it was found in the body. Bad statistic!

    The physician is required to note COVID-19 if it is found.
    Even if the real cause of death has nothing to do with COVID-19.
    Each state has its own criteria. 50 states, all different. The
    CDC uses two different sets - that of the state and that of the
    physician.

    So, what do we have here in the USA? It's a crap shoot.
    A random crap shoot.

    --Lee

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