• Tactical Nuke?

    From Kostie Muirhead@1:342/17 to Lee Lofaso on Wed Aug 12 16:34:56 2020
    Re: Tactical Nuke?
    By: Lee Lofaso to Kostie Muirhead on Wed Aug 12 2020 08:06 pm

    Hi, Lee.

    A terrorist organization, such as Hezbollah, certainly should have
    known better than to continually building store a 2,750-ton stockpile

    Very probably, but in my experience if a given problem can be reasonably explained by ignorance or incompetence, that's more often than not the reality.
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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Lee Lofaso on Thu Aug 13 22:22:34 2020
    3.5 short tons (3,200 kg or 7,000 pounds)

    Just out of curiosity, why in Heavens name are you still trying to invent measurements that are out of sync with the rest of the world?

    Can't you at least join the rest of the world on the metric ton?




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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Kostie Muirhead on Fri Aug 14 11:25:14 2020
    Hello Kostie,

    There is video of the explosion in Beirut. There is also video of
    explosions caused by tactical nukes. It is almost impossible to tell
    the difference. Maybe impossible. How can anybody know for sure if
    it really was ammonium nitrate that caused the explosion?

    I'd imagine that the fact the apparent damage suggests an explosive yeild that roughly lines up with the amount of Ammonium Nitrate thought to be stored would be a pretty good indication ;)

    Just think what would have happened had Timothy McVeigh been able
    to squash that much ammonium nitrate inside a truck. He could have
    taken out an entire city, rather than just one building.

    Or at least a few city blocks.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Fri Aug 14 11:25:20 2020
    Hello Bj”rn,

    3.5 short tons (3,200 kg or 7,000 pounds)

    Just out of curiosity, why in Heavens name are you still trying to invent measurements that are out of sync with the rest of the world?

    I am not that original. Found it on the internet. On wikipedia.
    Not sure who wrote it. But must have been an American. After all,
    the article was about an American. Or what he did with ammonium
    nitrate.

    Can't you at least join the rest of the world on the metric ton?

    Because this is America. And in America, we do things different.
    As explained by the stable genius we have in the White House.

    --Lee

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  • From Oli@2:280/464.47 to All on Fri Aug 14 12:23:56 2020
    Dan Clough wrote (2020-08-13):

    you dumb fuck.

    You're stupid, even by troll standards.

    Can someone punch this excessively annoying troll-sysop in the mouth, please? ;) Other ideas to make him shut up are also appreciated.

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  • From Kostie Muirhead@1:342/17 to Lee Lofaso on Fri Aug 14 06:34:16 2020
    Re: Tactical Nuke?
    By: Lee Lofaso to Kostie Muirhead on Fri Aug 14 2020 11:25 am

    Just think what would have happened had Timothy McVeigh been able
    to squash that much ammonium nitrate inside a truck. He could have
    taken out an entire city, rather than just one building.
    Or at least a few city blocks.

    You aren't fitting 3,000 tons of anything into a truck. I doubt he could drive 6,000 trucks up to a building without anyone noticing.
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Dan Clough on Fri Aug 14 20:57:32 2020
    Hello Dan,

    There is video of the explosion in Beirut. There is also video of
    explosions caused by tactical nukes. It is almost impossible to
    tell the difference. Maybe impossible. How can anybody know for
    sure if it really was ammonium nitrate that caused the explosion?

    By using forensic science, you dumb fuck. Quite easy to find out.

    Is it?

    A tactical nuke is about 1/10 the size of what we used in 1945.

    Of course, each tactical nuke is different, given various factors.

    Go ahead. Take a look at video of the explosion in Beirut.
    And compare that video with video of an explosion caused by
    a tactical nuke.

    You're stupid, even by troll standards.

    Thank you for the compliment.

    And now, for your viewing pleasure,
    some video shows you are sure to enjoy.
    One for the money, two to get ready,
    and three for the show -

    Atomic bomb, size used in 1945 -

    https://youtu.be/dQPDKopa1_0


    Beirut explosian, about 26-30 seconds into track -

    https://youtu.be/93tV6-0Ugwk


    Tactical nuke -

    https://youtu.be/xHiihPD7bLM


    Hope you enjoyed your video show.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Oli on Fri Aug 14 22:55:14 2020
    Hello Oli,

    you dumb fuck.

    You're stupid, even by troll standards.

    Can someone punch this excessively annoying troll-sysop in the mouth, please? ;) Other ideas to make him shut up are also appreciated.

    I showed him a few video clips of various explosians so he could
    learn what the discussion is about. Video of an atomic bomb fireball,
    the explosian in Beirut, and an explosian caused by a tactical nuke.
    But other than standing in the middle of such an explosian, I doubt
    he will recognize anything at all.

    --Lee

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Lee Lofaso on Fri Aug 14 23:27:00 2020
    Hello Lee,

    On Friday August 14 2020 22:55, you wrote to Oli:

    I showed him a few video clips of various explosians so he could
    learn what the discussion is about. Video of an atomic bomb fireball,
    the explosian in Beirut, and an explosian caused by a tactical nuke.
    But other than standing in the middle of such an explosian, I doubt
    he will recognize anything at all.

    While it may look the same from a distance, measurements on the spot will tell the difference. Use a Geiger counter and you will know right away. A nuclear explosion leaves radio activity, a chemical explosion does not. No way to obfusciate that.


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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Lee Lofaso on Sun Aug 16 02:13:12 2020
    Can't you at least join the rest of the world on the metric ton?

    Because this is America. And in America, we do things different.

    Yeah, well, I guess it's a well kept secret that your archaic measurements are defined with the metric system -- rather than with the various body-parts of former kings and emperors?



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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30.1 to Bj÷rn Felten on Sun Aug 16 22:11:12 2020
    Hello, Björn Felten.
    On 8/16/20 9:01 AM you wrote:

    Yeah, well, I guess it's a well kept secret that your archaic
    measurements are defined with the metric system -- rather than
    with the various body-parts of former kings and emperors?
    Lol. Seriously, I don't see a big problem there.
    Right. With 4% of the world population using a totally
    different system,

    Hey, we have 25% of the COVID-19 cases though! So.. Take that!

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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30.1 to Lee Lofaso on Sun Aug 16 22:13:22 2020
    Hello, Lee Lofaso.
    On 8/17/20 2:13 AM you wrote:

    Lol. Seriously, I don't see a big problem there.
    Right. With 4% of the world population using a totally
    different system, incompatible with the universal standard, what
    could possibly go wrong? Especially with international projects.
    I don't think whoever dumped thousands of tons of fertilizer in a
    hole in Beirut over a fifty year period of time was worried about
    what kind of measurement units they were using.
    But... I thought you said it was a nuke?

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Lee Lofaso on Mon Aug 17 10:05:00 2020
    I don't think whoever dumped thousands of tons of fertilizer in a
    hole in Beirut over a fifty year period of time was worried about
    what kind of measurement units they were using.

    Of course not. They are using the global standard. DUH...

    Unless you are trying to say that it's been one huge CIA conspiracy?



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  • From Wayne Harris@2:221/6 to Michiel van der Vlist on Mon Aug 17 17:45:50 2020
    Michiel van der Vlist - Björn Felten <0@5555.280.2> writes:

    Hello Björn,

    On Sunday August 16 2020 09:01, you wrote to Wayne Harris:

    Right. With 4% of the world population using a totally different system, incompatible with the universal standard, what could possibly
    go wrong? Especially with international projects.

    An airplane running out of fuel and crashing because the captain
    ordered 5000 kg of fuel and the ground crew delivered 5000 pounds?

    A Mars lander crashing because of a mix up of feet and metres?

    Without all due respect, sir, are you serious? If people might be
    ordered 5000 kg and deliver 5000 pounds, they might just as well mistake
    5000 for 50000 too.

    We all use meters and centimeters and feet and inches and we're doing
    fine and making a bunch of mistakes at the same time. I know deep down
    people do get confused with it all, but it's not like having the US
    start using the metric system that's going to make people more
    knowledgeable.

    To a scientist, whether you use the metric system or the imperial system
    it seems a small detail. To the population, though, it would be a major project to go for such a change and I don't actually see much benefit.

    It would be much more interesting to properly teach people about units
    in the first place. Let me elaborate on this, if you we all in the mood
    for such a thing.

    There's this story about a school teacher that was going to teach his
    kids about fractions. This is really a story about the importance of
    units and how fractions are much more abstract than most people seem to understand. So, watch out!

    Most of his kids were seating in tables with three kids total, so
    sometimes there were two girls in a table, sometimes one girl. But
    there was one larger table with six kids, at which there seated four
    girls and two boys.

    The teacher points to a table and says --- see, there are two girls out
    of three kids at this table, and that's what we mean by two thirds, so
    he drew the table at the black board and wrote ``2/3'' next to it. He
    then points to the larger table and says --- over here, we have four
    girls and two boys and that's what we mean by four sixths. ``And,
    ....'', the teacher would continue his lecture if he had not been
    interrupted by the following deduction:

    -- Ah, I see! If you take the kids seating at two of these smaller
    2/3-girl-tables and put them all together at this larger table, you
    end up with a table where 4/6 kids are girls, from which we may
    safely deduce that 2/3 + 2/3 = 4/6. Right?!

    That's a brilliant deduction of a child that's well-learning the lesson
    that the teacher exposed because, after all, the teacher did not
    properly show them that the unit in use is bloody important in matters
    of fractions.

    Now, I don't know what you'll make of this story. Lol. You might just
    use it to claim how the US should most definitely switch to the metric
    system. Lol. Do what you will.

    ``[It] shall be the whole of the law!''
    -- The Book of the Law, Aleister Crowley.

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  • From Wayne Harris@2:221/6 to Wayne Harris on Mon Aug 17 17:47:46 2020
    Wayne Harris - Michiel van der Vlist <0@6.221.2> writes:

    Michiel van der Vlist - Björn Felten <0@5555.280.2> writes:

    Hello Björn,

    On Sunday August 16 2020 09:01, you wrote to Wayne Harris:

    Right. With 4% of the world population using a totally different
    system, incompatible with the universal standard, what could
    possibly
    go wrong? Especially with international projects.

    An airplane running out of fuel and crashing because the captain
    ordered 5000 kg of fuel and the ground crew delivered 5000 pounds?

    A Mars lander crashing because of a mix up of feet and metres?

    Without all due respect, sir, are you serious?

    Of course I mean ``_with_ all due respect [...]''.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Wayne Harris on Mon Aug 17 17:32:30 2020
    Without all due respect, sir, are you serious? If people might be
    ordered 5000 kg and deliver 5000 pounds, they might just as well mistake 5000 for 50000 too.

    Seriously? A pilot mistaken 5000 for 50000? You don't have a pilot's licence I assume? I happen to have one even though it's been expired...





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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Björn Felten on Mon Aug 17 14:51:00 2020
    Bj”rn Felten wrote to Mike Miller <=-

    Hey, we have 25% of the COVID-19 cases though! So.. Take that!

    There is that of course. And you also have more than 60
    million educated(?) grown-ups, that still think that the Trump is
    the best that's happened since sliced bread.

    You truly are a strange breed of people...

    That may be true, but..... we think the same thing about you Euro-commie-sheeple.



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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30.1 to Björn Felten on Mon Aug 17 19:07:50 2020
    Hello, Bj”rn Felten.
    On 8/17/20 7:00 PM you wrote:

    Hey, we have 25% of the COVID-19 cases though! So.. Take that!
    There is that of course. And you also have more than 60 million educated(?) grown-ups, that still think that the Trump is the best
    that's happened since sliced bread.
    You truly are a strange breed of people...
    Probably all that freedumb we have
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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Dan Clough on Tue Aug 18 10:19:28 2020
    You truly are a strange breed of people...

    That may be true, but..... we think the same thing about you Euro-commie-sheeple.

    If you belong to the 60+ million USAians who doesn't understand what a blabbering, incompetent fool you've elected as president, it means you are an even bigger fool. Don't you realize that?

    Do you seriously think that any Euro-commie-sheeple king, president or Prime Minister, would kiss and hug Putin and Kim Jong-un while insulting e.g. Angela Merkel and Justin Trudeau?

    If so, you truly are a perfect Trumpster. Congratulations. Your name will be passed on through history for sure. Make sure that your kids will remember your contribution to the US democracy!




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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Mike Miller on Tue Aug 18 19:11:34 2020
    Hello Mike,

    Lol. Seriously, I don't see a big problem there.

    Right. With 4% of the world population using a totally
    different system, incompatible with the universal standard, what
    could possibly go wrong? Especially with international projects.

    I don't think whoever dumped thousands of tons of fertilizer in a
    hole in Beirut over a fifty year period of time was worried about
    what kind of measurement units they were using.

    But... I thought you said it was a nuke?

    Somebody used a nuke to detonate the fertilizer.
    An investigation is being conducted to find out who done it.
    Stay tuned.
    If a body is found, you will be the first to know ...

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Bj÷rn Felten on Tue Aug 18 19:11:46 2020
    Hello Bj”rn,

    Without all due respect, sir, are you serious? If people might be
    ordered 5000 kg and deliver 5000 pounds, they might just as well
    mistake 5000 for 50000 too.

    Seriously? A pilot mistaken 5000 for 50000? You don't have a pilot's licence
    I assume? I happen to have one even though it's been expired...

    Me and two ladies were on board a plane with a drunk pilot
    at the helm. An Englishman, not an American. He wasn't drunk
    when he took off, and we all had a very good time. Until we
    realized the pilot was a bit tipsy. I'm not really sure how he
    got hold of a bottle of scotch, or how he managed to land the
    plane in the middle of the night while smashed, but the two
    ladies did work at the club where I was playing, and he did
    invite us all to take a ride on his private flying machine ...

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Michiel van der Vlist on Tue Aug 18 19:11:58 2020
    Hello Michiel,

    Now, I don't know what you'll make of this story.

    MvdV> All I can say is that I am glad that half a century ago I decided that
    MvdV> teaching was not my thing and I avoided a carreer in education...

    Been there. Done that. Had loads of fun. The principal was not amused,
    but the children were.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Tue Aug 18 19:12:06 2020
    Hello Bj”rn,

    Bjorn is another fucknut to completely ignore.

    Don't test for diseases and they won't exist. Don't perform pregnancy
    tests and no kids will be born. Ignore dissenting opinions and everyone
    will agree with you.

    And if you happen to be infected, just inject bleach, and everything will go
    away -- just like magic.

    "15 cases, will go to zero. We have it all under control."

    "In April, it'll all go away, like magic." Don't listen to the scientists, listen to me. I'm a Very Stable Genius. But no, I'll NOT show you my grades from school. My five times draught dodging will be enough!

    Yeah, as I said, they really are a strange species over there. I sure as
    hell (like you I guess) am lucky to have a huge pond between those strange creatures and myself.

    Just imagine what would have happened if a single one of their reporters
    had made a follow-up story of all the five bankruptcy cases he's been involved with. Would they still elect a president to handle their economy? Yeah, well, maybe. Their gene pool seems to have some dire need of bleach injection...

    President Donald Trump has taken care of the problem. He fixed it
    quite easily by replacing his top doctor on his panel of experts.
    That's right. Dr. Anthony Fauci (who has fooled six presidents) is
    no longer an expert, having been replaced by a real expert. One
    with absolutely no experience, who always agrees with everything
    Trump says and does.

    So there! And do remember, that bleach must be injected. The CDC
    has put out an official warning not to drink it. Only works by giving
    yourself a shot. Bottoms up!

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to David Drummond on Tue Aug 18 19:12:12 2020
    Hello David,

    That may be true, but..... we think the same thing about you
    Euro-commie-sheeple.

    Bjorn is another fucknut to completely ignore.

    Don't test for diseases and they won't exist. Don't perform pregnancy tests
    and no kids will be born. Ignore dissenting opinions and everyone will agree with you.

    Our "stable genius" has taught you well.

    If only you could convince your Aussie friends, and your Kiwi friends,
    that you know the truth, all will be well.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Tue Aug 18 19:12:50 2020
    Hello Bj”rn,

    Can't you at least join the rest of the world on the metric ton?

    Because this is America. And in America, we do things different.

    Yeah, well, I guess it's a well kept secret that your archaic measurements are defined with the metric system -- rather than with the various body-parts of former kings and emperors?

    We are ameriCANS, not ameriCANTS.
    We even thought about nuking the Moon at one time.
    Why? Because Carl Sagan said we CAN.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Tue Aug 18 19:12:56 2020
    Hello Bj”rn,

    I don't think whoever dumped thousands of tons of fertilizer in a
    hole in Beirut over a fifty year period of time was worried about
    what kind of measurement units they were using.

    Of course not. They are using the global standard. DUH...

    Unless you are trying to say that it's been one huge CIA conspiracy?

    The Agency will neither confirm nor deny ...

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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30.1 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Aug 18 12:46:10 2020
    Hello, Lee Lofaso.
    On 8/18/20 7:11 PM you wrote:

    I don't think whoever dumped thousands of tons of fertilizer in
    a hole in Beirut over a fifty year period of time was worried
    about what kind of measurement units they were using.
    But... I thought you said it was a nuke?
    Somebody used a nuke to detonate the fertilizer. An investigation
    is being conducted to find out who done it. Stay tuned. If a body
    is found, you will be the first to know ...
    Sometimes I can't tell if you're the best troll I ever met, or the worst.

    I'm not sure there is a difference...
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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Wayne Harris on Wed Aug 19 23:49:02 2020
    Hello Wayne,

    On Wednesday August 19 2020 04:33, you wrote to me:

    Bj”rn asked what could possible go wrong and I gave two examples of
    something actually going wrong. I didn't make that up, these are
    real life examples. Sure I am serious.

    I believe you and concede. However, we could surely argue here that
    it's really not clear the units are the problem. If you work with multiple units, it becomes your job to verify. Still, see below.

    We could argue but...

    o When a plane crashes, there is an investigation.

    o If the investigation shows that the crash was due to it running out of fuel.

    o And the investigation reveals that the captain ordered 5000 kg of fuel.

    o And the investigation shows that 5000 pounds of fuel were loaded.

    o And the investigation shows that the location of the crash is consistant with the plane taking off with 5000 pounds of fuel.

    ... What is there to argue?

    But let's ask this. Must the population change their units because
    pilots might get things wrong? I'd think the pilots should change
    join the standard and let people drink their pint of beer.

    Pilots are not a seperate species genetically isolated from the rest of the world. Neither are anethisists who could mistakenly deliver the patient 5 Gallons of NOx instead of 5 litres.

    Kids who learn about units of measurements today are the next generation pilots, doctors, engineers and cooks 30 yaars from now.

    People often do not see the benefits until they actually are in the
    situation. I sure see the benefits of not having to deal with of
    local measuring systems and I am very glad my predesessors of a 100
    years ago did see it that way too and acted on it by doing away with
    local measurements and adopting a universal system.

    That sounds reasonable. If an American puts himself in your shoes,
    he'd grow up in a culture that's using a universal system. He would perhaps be thankful as you are. If you put yourself in an American's shoes, you'd have grown up in a culture that's using the imperial
    system. Perhaps you'd want to change it! That's very likely to happen because that is happening! Indeed, you wouldn't see the benefits of
    _not_ changing because you're not their situation! :-D (Don't take it personally. I am having fun, but not at your expense. Seriously.)

    Whatver. If I grew up in a situation where I was using a system that was only used by a small minority of the world's population, I would certainly see the benefits of change.

    I was born with a native language only spoken by less than one percent of the worlds population. If I had a choice in the matter, Dutch would not be my native language.

    You know, here in Europe two or three hundred years ago, we had
    local measuring systems. We had "Rijnlandes voet, "Utrechtse voet",
    "Amsterdamse duim". Etc, etc. Napoleon ended that and he introduced
    the meter end the kg. And science, technology and trade accepted it.
    I sure see the benfits.

    That makes perfect sense. Let's take UTF-8 --- if you're the Internet type of person. Nearly everyone in Western countries are using it.
    It makes a lot of things work well.

    Yes, I am an UTF-8 evangalist. I am actively promoting its use in Fidonet.

    I was remarking just the other day that I can never quite understand
    which encoding Bj”rn is using. Sometimes it displays just fine, but
    there are places in Bjorn's own messages that do not.

    See FTS-5003.001

    From a global POV, you guys across are still using local
    measurements....

    You think I'm an American! :-)

    You live on the continent of North America don't you? ;-)


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Michiel van der Vlist on Sat Aug 22 19:20:54 2020
    Hello Michiel,

    Bj”rn asked what could possible go wrong and I gave two examples of
    something actually going wrong. I didn't make that up, these are
    real life examples. Sure I am serious.

    I believe you and concede. However, we could surely argue here that
    it's really not clear the units are the problem. If you work with
    multiple units, it becomes your job to verify. Still, see below.

    MvdV> We could argue but...

    MvdV> o When a plane crashes, there is an investigation.

    MvdV> o If the investigation shows that the crash was due to it running out of
    MvdV> fuel.

    MvdV> o And the investigation reveals that the captain ordered 5000 kg of fuel.

    MvdV> o And the investigation shows that 5000 pounds of fuel were loaded.

    MvdV> o And the investigation shows that the location of the crash is consistant
    MvdV> with the plane taking off with 5000 pounds of fuel.

    MvdV> .. What is there to argue?

    Years ago, the football coach for LSU was on board a private plane
    and it crashed over the ocean, killing all aboard.

    The plane was en route from Louisiana to North Carolina, but kept
    on going over the Atlantic Ocean until it ran out of fuel and crashed.
    Was it really due to the plane running out of fuel, or the pilot and
    passengers losing consciousness due to lack of oxygen? Certainly no
    experienced pilot would have allowed an airplane to continue flying
    over the ocean past its intended destination ...

    But let's ask this. Must the population change their units because
    pilots might get things wrong? I'd think the pilots should change
    join the standard and let people drink their pint of beer.

    MvdV> Pilots are not a seperate species genetically isolated from the rest of the
    MvdV> world. Neither are anethisists who could mistakenly deliver the patient 5
    MvdV> Gallons of NOx instead of 5 litres.

    What about doctors who administer lethal doses of meds for those who
    are sentenced to death? First, do no harm. That is the oath every
    doctor takes. What difference does it make what kind of drug that is
    used to kill people? Vets use drugs to kill dogs and cats. Why not
    doctors use the same drugs to kill people who are condemned to death?
    The amount doesn't really matter, as long as it is enough to do the
    job.

    MvdV> Kids who learn about units of measurements today are the next generation
    MvdV> pilots, doctors, engineers and cooks 30 yaars from now.

    Having enough fuel on board an airplane is important. But too much
    of a good thing can also be bad. Very bad. Overloading an airplane
    with fuel might cause the airplane never to gain enough height to
    remain airborn, in which case the flight will come to an end in a
    giant fireball.

    People often do not see the benefits until they actually are in the
    situation. I sure see the benefits of not having to deal with of
    local measuring systems and I am very glad my predesessors of a 100
    years ago did see it that way too and acted on it by doing away with
    local measurements and adopting a universal system.

    That sounds reasonable. If an American puts himself in your shoes,
    he'd grow up in a culture that's using a universal system. He would
    perhaps be thankful as you are. If you put yourself in an American's
    shoes, you'd have grown up in a culture that's using the imperial
    system. Perhaps you'd want to change it! That's very likely to
    MvdV> happen
    because that is happening! Indeed, you wouldn't see the benefits of
    _not_ changing because you're not their situation! :-D (Don't take it
    personally. I am having fun, but not at your expense. Seriously.)

    MvdV> Whatver. If I grew up in a situation where I was using a system that was
    MvdV> only used by a small minority of the world's population, I would certainly
    MvdV> see the benefits of change.

    Some cultures use very primitive systems. And those primitive systems
    work. For those cultures they work quite well. Which is why they still
    use them today.

    MvdV> I was born with a native language only spoken by less than one percent of
    MvdV> the worlds population. If I had a choice in the matter, Dutch would not be
    MvdV> my native language.

    We do not have a one-world language. What we have is a mixture of
    languages that are used throughout the world. Same with measurements.
    There is no one-world standard.

    You know, here in Europe two or three hundred years ago, we had
    local measuring systems. We had "Rijnlandes voet, "Utrechtse voet",
    "Amsterdamse duim". Etc, etc. Napoleon ended that and he introduced
    the meter end the kg. And science, technology and trade accepted it.
    I sure see the benfits.

    That makes perfect sense. Let's take UTF-8 --- if you're the Internet
    type of person. Nearly everyone in Western countries are using it.
    It makes a lot of things work well.

    MvdV> Yes, I am an UTF-8 evangalist. I am actively promoting its use in Fidonet.

    Hooray! I'm with you on that!

    I was remarking just the other day that I can never quite understand
    which encoding Bj”rn is using. Sometimes it displays just fine, but
    there are places in Bjorn's own messages that do not.

    MvdV> See FTS-5003.001

    Simple enough.

    From a global POV, you guys across are still using local
    measurements....

    You think I'm an American! :-)

    MvdV> You live on the continent of North America don't you? ;-)

    I am Cajun. That does not mean American. Even though Cajuns
    can be called Americans. No such animal as Cajun American.
    Those critters never existed. With, or without, a hyphen.

    --Lee

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Lee Lofaso on Sat Aug 22 19:39:16 2020
    What about doctors who administer lethal doses of meds for those who
    are sentenced to death?

    What about living in a country where it's illegal to kill someone -- including using the social monopoly of power? Most countries have such a law, you know...?



    ..

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Sun Aug 23 20:54:08 2020
    Hello Bj”rn,

    What about doctors who administer lethal doses of meds for those who
    are sentenced to death?

    What about living in a country where it's illegal to kill someone -- including using the social monopoly of power? Most countries have such a law, you know...?

    If I want to vote by mail I have to kill myself by contracting
    COVID-19.

    --Lee

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