MvdV> I /DO/ speak German.
So do I ...
And, as you pointed out, if it wasn't for the US influence, we
would probably be a German speaking people here in Sweden.
Not that I regret that we now are almost 100% English speaking,
mind you. I'm all in favour of universal standards. Including metric systems of course. The basis of human progress...
Well, you've managed to forget that you'd be speaking German right now
if it wasn't for the USA.
And, as you pointed out, if it wasn't for the US influence, weAbout The Netherlands... I do not know if German would have been my native Language if Germany
would probably be a German speaking people here in Sweden.
had won WWII. I doubt it, forcing a language on people is not all that easy.
Not that I regret that we now are almost 100% English speaking,My point is that for me language is a tool. Just like the metric system is a tool for
mind you. I'm all in favour of universal standards. Including metric systems of course. The
basis of human progress...
measurements, language is a tool for communication. It so happens that my native language is
understood by a mere 1% of all the people on our planet and actively used by just 0,5%. I
consider that a handicap. I would have been better off with a more wide spread native
language. German would have been better than Dutch. So to those who claim they prevented
German from being my native language I say: Your claim is false, but if it were not, you did
not do me a favour.
Imagine how my Russian friend living in Ukraine had to take all oral
exams in Ukrainian. Selective obscenities in three floors - that's
just Russian words, the Ukrainians did not manage to translate them
into their distorted pig language ;)
Imagine how my Russian friend living in Ukraine had to take all oral
exams in Ukrainian.
Imagine how my Russian friend living in Ukraine had to take all oral exams in Ukrainian.If I go study in China my exams will be in the language spoken there as well ... how awful ...
complete denial of culture and rights of Flanders, right?
Imagine how my Russian friend living in Ukraine had to take
all oral exams in Ukrainian. Selective obscenities in three
floors - that's
All exams in Russia are in Russian. Although we have multiple
nationalities.
I said to you many times, but you stubbornly don't hear it -- the
quantity of people matters first. Nobody will make a movie theatre a
village with three people. But if tens of millions people speak their native language only idiots could try to make them to refuse from it.
In these case the country _must_ be bilingual, as Ukraine had been
until the coup in 2014.
We have almost 100% of Chechen population in Chechnya and they
still have exams in Russian. On paper we are federation but
reality - we have strict "Russian only policy".
I say to you again -- the quantity matters. In a small village all
people possibly wanted a movie theatre, but nowhere nobody will build
it.
Ukraine was and is bilingual. You can use Russian anywhere (you
never visited Ukraine, right?). But state language is Ukranian.
Bilingual it is when two languages are equal in state affairs,
Russian speaking areas of Ukraine. The thing that the new authority in Kiev has tried to eliminate for 8 years, after coming to power.
Historically things often happened undemocratically, but now when some
people try to remake millions of others, forcefully and not hearing
them -- it is called fascism. I have told the all why Ukrainian
nationalists are Nazi, but this is why they are fascists.
Putin maybe is a tyrant, but even he doesn't do such fascist things in
Russia.
Nazaroff calls Ukranian here a "pig language". This is what I am
talking about. Russian imperialism is bad thing for everyone,
for Russians also. The Russians now are killing Russians. People
from Moscow rot on battelfields in Ukraine.
As well as Ukrainians, who also cannot refuse from being mobilized by
Zelensky. BTW what country are you now, so sure for not being
mobilized?
What's the purpose of this massacre?
Idiots have started it, there is only two purposes in this war -- to
village with three people. But if tens of millions people speak
their native language only idiots could try to make them to refuse
from it. In these case the country _must_ be bilingual, as Ukraine
had been until the coup in 2014.
Ukraine was and is bilingual. You can use Russian anywhere (you
never visited Ukraine, right?). But state language is Ukranian.
Bilingual it is when two languages are equal in state affairs, business, culture, TV and so on. Especially it had to be true in Russian speaking areas of Ukraine. The thing that the new authority in Kiev has tried to eliminate for 8 years, after coming to power.
It's like in China, where all exams are in Mandarin. Go and say to
China that they are idiots. And Mandarin is VERY different from
southern languages. Father of my colleage from the South cannot
understand Mandarin almost completely, his local language (only the
writing is the same) is more different to Mandarin than Russian to
Ukraine.
Historically things often happened undemocratically, but now when some people try to remake millions of others, forcefully and not hearing them -- it is called fascism. I have told the all why Ukrainian nationalists are Nazi, but this is why they are fascists.
Putin maybe is a tyrant, but even he doesn't do such fascist things in Russia.
But do you think that Chechens cannot use Chechen language in
schools? Why?
They cannot use it in Russia - it is a very small language, the same
thing is with Eskimos people. But in Ukraine all the east and south
speaks Russian. Quite a different story.
No, bilingual is when most ot the people speak multiple
languages. Like you can use English in Sweden. Or in Denmark. I
had no problem with English in Denmark but their offical
language is Danish.
No, it is rubbish. A real bilingual example is Canadian Quebec.
But Ukaraine is still bilingual. Right now, in 2022.
You don't follow the news -- the Ukraine officials tell about complete
elimination of the Russian language in Ukraine in the future. It is
there aim from 2014.
He is doing much worse. Ukranian children from occupied
territories were sent to new families in Russia, without finding
or asking their parents. It's another way of Russification of
Ukraine.
Stinky propaganda cakes. People are being evacuate because of Ukraine constant shelling, that even today kills a lot of civilian people. And
certainly the war zone is not a place for children to be in. But it
is a lie that they are taken from their parent forcefully, without parent's consent.
In Ukraine there is another problem -- a lot of people in Ukraine themselves WANT to speak Russian and belong to Russian culture, and
this fact makes the nationalists crazy. The source of the nationalism
is western Ukrainian regions where people mainly speak Ukrainian, and
they think that all the people in Ukraine must be like them.
[...] And yes, if Russia will continue killing Ukranians -
our language will be more and more language of death, very
sad..
Bilingual it is when two languages are equal
in state affairs,
No, bilingual is when most ot the people speak
multiple languages.
:) But in reality, a lot of people of that time wanted Communism and searched for ways to implement it. Even in the Baltic states.
It's a very common language in Chechnya. Almost 100% of local
population speaks it. Your life without Chechen there will be
very difficlut.
People of some village also 100% probably want a new movie-theatre.
But they will not get it. It is like a feet and toes. You can go on
feet bit never on a toe.
The same, actually. Chechens use Russian in schools but always
use their native language anywhere else.
It is strange what you don't understand the difference. Probably you
don't want.
Probably you've never visited truly bilingual countrues, like
Congo. They have French as official language but only about 50%
of
;=)
Here in Canada we have two official languages, English & French.
Of course the language issue is not only one. Probably, even most important had been the violation of rights of eastern, southern parts
of Ukraine and Crimea by illegal deposing of the elected Ukraine
president Yanukovich, who had been elected mainly by these people.
This issue is quite enough for not recognizing the new authority in
Kiev.
Some say folks from the West don't understand... but if
they tell me it's now illegal to use Russian in Ukraine I find it
It appears to me that many people who live in Ukraine speak either Ukrainian or Russian as the situation warrants (definition #1, which
is basically how you're interpreting the word). Definition #1
pertains to human beings. The "official language/s" of some country
or other (definition #2) is a different matter. As Alexander says, it pertains to state affairs & to just about anything spoken or written
in two languages. But IMHO it's a large leap to suggest the
neonasties in Ukraine want to force everyone to speak Ukrainian at all times. I wonder if some folks might be panicking unnecessarily over
But how it could be illegal when Ukranian officials use Russian
language in their interviews? Predident Zelensky is a good
example.
In the hard times even Stalin addressed the Soviet people in the
Orthodox Church way -- in addition to "comrades" he started to add "bothers and sisters", although he had persecuted the church before
heavily. But the new Ukrainian laws tell unambiguously -- Ukrainian language must be used in all state affairs, plants, transport etc. It
is a usual hypocrisy to attract Russian people.
Russian language is not forbidden in Ukraine, you just can't
expect to have service in Russian when someone prefer Ukranian.
It's like English in Russia.
To be exact they still cannot implement their own laws.
neonasties in Ukraine want to force everyone to speak Ukrainian
at all times. I wonder if some folks might be panicking
unnecessarily over
It's easy to find interviews with all Ukranian nationalist
leaders on youtube in Russian :)
It is easier to become a janissary than become a rebel fighting for
his nation. ;-\
But using word "janissary" you want to remind us that Turkey is
supporting Ukraine and Putin can't do anything about it? :)
If we recalled history, the most cruel atrocities against Serbs
committed brainwashed Serbs - janissary. "Janissary" describes best of
all the people who forget their origin. Indeed, for instance being a
a Ukrainian policeman helping German troops in WW2 was less dangerous
than fighting with Germans.
But is it enough to start mass killings in Ukraine?
BTW, are you going to war yourself? Do you have plans to kill
Ukranians?
The first mass killing had happened when Turchinov and Yachnuk (the
coup leaders) ordered the Ukraine military aviation to bomb the
building of Donetsk airport captured by those who didn't accept the
You mean - when Russian saboteurs with help from local
separatists captured airport? Imagine that something like this
will happen in Russia. Everyone will be killed.
I see why you justify sending Ukrainian troops to Donbass and killings
Even talks in internet about referendum about separation from
Russian state is punished by jail time. And you are talking
about actual war that started with direct intervention from
Russia!
We compare two totalitarian states or a totalitarian state and a democratic one?
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