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  • Re: To be or not to be a

    From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Alexander Koryagin on Fri Oct 14 00:59:00 2022
    On 10-13-22 09:29, Alexander Koryagin <=-
    spoke to Alan Ianson about To be or not to be a war? <=-


    Millions of Ukrainians (some 6.6 million) have fled the war, not
    Ukraine.

    Only note, they fled to Russia not to Ukraine.

    Wrong. Most of that 6.6 million fled to the west, not to the east.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dale Shipp on Fri Oct 14 09:01:32 2022
    Hi, Dale Shipp!
    I read your message from 14.10.2022 00:59

    AI>> Millions of Ukrainians (some 6.6 million) have fled the
    AI>> war, not Ukraine.
    AK>> Only note, they fled to Russia not to Ukraine.
    DS> Wrong. Most of that 6.6 million fled to the west, not to the
    DS> east.

    You count only things which you like to count. But of course you don't
    like to count those Ukrainians who fled to Russia in the period
    2014-2022. I have already given the URL about it, read it.

    Bye, Dale!
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  • From Oleg Nazaroff@2:50/700 to Dale Shipp on Fri Oct 14 11:54:16 2022
    Доброго времечка, Dale Shipp.
    Вы писали 14.10.22 0:59:

    Millions of Ukrainians (some 6.6 million) have fled the war, not Ukraine.
    Only note, they fled to Russia not to Ukraine.
    Wrong. Most of that 6.6 million fled to the west, not to the east.

    They have been so eager to go to Europe for 30 years! We should be grateful to Putin for such a wonderful chance. However, they were not expected in Europe. Neither physically nor mentally. It turned out ugly in Poland ;)

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Fri Oct 14 13:58:16 2022
    Hello, alexander!

    Friday October 14 2022 09:01, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

    Wrong. Most of that 6.6 million fled to the west, not to the
    east.

    You count only things which you like to count. But of course you don't
    like to count those Ukrainians who fled to Russia in the period
    2014-2022. I have already given the URL about it, read it.

    Now many of them are moving to EU. Seen them myself.

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Alexander Koryagin on Sat Oct 15 01:46:00 2022
    On 10-14-22 09:01, Alexander Koryagin <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about To be or not to be a <=-

    Millions of Ukrainians (some 6.6 million) have fled the
    war, not Ukraine.
    Only note, they fled to Russia not to Ukraine.

    Wrong. Most of that 6.6 million fled to the west, not to the
    east.

    You count only things which you like to count. But of course you don't like to count those Ukrainians who fled to Russia in the period 2014-2022. I have already given the URL about it, read it.

    You said "have fled the war". The war being talked about started in Feb
    2022, not 2014, and so my statement is correct responder to the false
    statement you made.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Dale Shipp on Sat Oct 15 16:33:02 2022
    Hello Dale,

    Millions of Ukrainians (some 6.6 million) have fled the
    war, not Ukraine.
    Only note, they fled to Russia not to Ukraine.

    Wrong. Most of that 6.6 million fled to the west, not to the
    east.

    You count only things which you like to count. But of course you don't
    like to count those Ukrainians who fled to Russia in the period
    2014-2022. I have already given the URL about it, read it.

    You said "have fled the war". The war being talked about started in Feb 2022, not 2014, and so my statement is correct responder to the false statement you made.

    The war started in 2014, with Russia's invasion and illegal
    annexation of Crimea - a part of Ukraine.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Oleg Nazaroff@2:50/700 to Lee Lofaso on Sat Oct 15 19:25:28 2022
    Доброго времечка, Lee Lofaso.
    Вы писали 15.10.22 16:33:

    You count only things which you like to count. But of course you don't like to count those
    Ukrainians who fled to Russia in the period 2014-2022. I have already given the URL about
    it, read it.
    You said "have fled the war". The war being talked about started in Feb 2022, not 2014, and
    so my statement is correct responder to the false statement you made.
    The war started in 2014, with Russia's invasion and illegal annexation of Crimea - a part of
    Ukraine.

    Soon you will say that Russia has illegally annexed energy resources ;)

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Mon Oct 17 09:53:08 2022
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 14.10.2022 13:58

    DS>>> Wrong. Most of that 6.6 million fled to the west, not
    DS>>> to the east.
    ak>> You count only things which you like to count. But of
    ak>> course you don't like to count those Ukrainians who fled
    ak>> to Russia in the period 2014-2022. I have already given
    ak>> the URL about it, read it.
    DP> Now many of them are moving to EU. Seen them myself.

    In this situation the most important the fact is that they went around Ukraine. ;-)

    Bye, Dmitry!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Lee Lofaso on Mon Oct 17 10:07:04 2022
    Hi, Lee Lofaso!
    I read your message from 15.10.2022 17:33

    DS>> You said "have fled the war". The war being talked about
    DS>> started in Feb 2022, not 2014, and so my statement is
    DS>> correct responder to the false statement you made.
    LL> The war started in 2014, with Russia's invasion and illegal
    LL> annexation of Crimea - a part of Ukraine.

    The war in Crimea had not started only because of Russian troops were
    there. In the opposite variant it would be the second Donbass, who has
    been chocked by Ukrain troops for 8 years.

    The havoc in Ukraine has started right after bastards came to power in
    Kiev 2014. And it shows a lessons -- whatever you want to do for your
    country -- don't ignore those who oppose you.

    Bye, Lee!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Mon Oct 17 11:33:44 2022
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    Hello, alexander!

    Monday October 17 2022 09:53, you wrote to me:

    You count only things which you like to count. But of
    course you don't like to count those Ukrainians who fled
    to Russia in the period 2014-2022. I have already given
    the URL about it, read it.
    Now many of them are moving to EU. Seen them myself.

    In this situation the most important the fact is that they went around
    Ukraine. ;-)

    The most important part is that they very scared because of our crazy dictator.

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Mon Oct 17 11:45:38 2022
    Hello, alexander!

    Monday October 17 2022 10:07, you wrote to Lee Lofaso:

    The war in Crimea had not started only because of Russian troops were there. In the opposite variant it would be the second Donbass, who has

    The war started in Crimea when Russian forces started their "operation".
    They bodies of those people are now rotting all over Eastern Ukraine.

    The havoc in Ukraine has started right after bastards came to power in
    Kiev 2014. And it shows a lessons -- whatever you want to do for your
    country -- don't ignore those who oppose you.

    BTW, are going to the army?

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Tue Oct 18 22:06:14 2022
    Hello Alexander,

    [..]

    The war in Ukraine started in 2014.

    With the continuation of that war going on now ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Tue Oct 18 22:06:20 2022
    Hello Alexander,

    You said "have fled the war". The war being talked about
    started in Feb 2022, not 2014, and so my statement is
    correct responder to the false statement you made.
    The war started in 2014, with Russia's invasion and illegal
    annexation of Crimea - a part of Ukraine.

    The war in Crimea had not started only because of Russian troops were there. In the opposite variant it would be the second Donbass, who has been chocked by Ukrain troops for 8 years.

    Crimea has always been a part of Ukraine - according to Ukraine and
    the international community. As such, Russia's claim is not legitimate.

    The havoc in Ukraine has started right after bastards came to power in Kiev 2014. And it shows a lessons -- whatever you want to do for your country -- don't ignore those who oppose you.

    Ukraine has been an independent country since 1991. With Crimea
    as part of that country, recognized by the international community,
    including Russia.

    The prelude to war (the Russian takeover of Crimea) began in 2012,
    with the actual event (takeover and illegal annexation of Crimea) in
    2014. Fortunately for all, no big war took place, as US President
    Obama chose to act like Neville Chamberlain rather than Winston
    Churchill, giving Putin everything he wanted.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Oleg Nazaroff@2:50/700 to Lee Lofaso on Wed Oct 19 02:40:58 2022
    Доброго времечка, Lee Lofaso.
    Вы писали 18.10.22 22:06:

    You said "have fled the war". The war being talked about started in Feb 2022, not 2014,
    and so my statement is correct responder to the false statement you made.
    The war started in 2014, with Russia's invasion and illegal annexation of Crimea - a part of
    Ukraine.
    The war in Crimea had not started only because of Russian troops were there. In the opposite
    variant it would be the second Donbass, who has been chocked by Ukrain troops for 8 years.
    Crimea has always been a part of Ukraine - according to Ukraine and the international
    community. As such, Russia's claim is not legitimate.

    The international community does not accept the terms of its own declaration of international rights, that's the whole answer. Reread the declaration carefully - the self-determination of the people does not depend on the wishes of the government, if the government does not ensure equality.


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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Lee Lofaso on Wed Oct 19 09:52:16 2022
    Hi, Lee Lofaso!
    I read your message from 18.10.2022 23:06

    DS>>>> You said "have fled the war". The war being talked about started
    DS>>>> in Feb 2022, not 2014, and so my statement is correct responder
    DS>>>> to the false statement you made.
    LL>>> The war started in 2014, with Russia's invasion and illegal
    LL>>> annexation of Crimea - a part of Ukraine.

    ak>> The war in Crimea had not started only because of Russian troops
    ak>> were there. In the opposite variant it would be the second
    ak>> Donbass, who has been chocked by Ukrain troops for 8 years.

    LL> Crimea has always been a part of Ukraine - according to Ukraine and
    LL> the international community. As such, Russia's claim is not
    LL> legitimate.

    It is strange to listen to an American speaking about international
    laws. ;-) But in reality ultra-nationalists in Kiev had done all to
    repel Russians in Crimea from Ukraine. And believe me these people spit
    on other opinions about their decision to leave Ukraine.

    ak>> The havoc in Ukraine has started right after bastards came to
    ak>> power in Kiev 2014. And it shows a lessons -- whatever you want to
    ak>> do for your country -- don't ignore those who oppose you.

    LL> Ukraine has been an independent country since 1991. With Crimea as
    LL> part of that country, recognized by the international community,
    LL> including Russia.

    The USSR also was an independent country recognized by all. So what?
    History has been moving despite treaties ans laws! I repeat you ones
    more -- Crimea literally fell on Russia's (Putin's) head after the coup
    in 2014. Nobody planned and foresaw it. People of Crimea had made their decision -- Russia just prevented bloodshed there. None of Crimeans
    think now they live on the occupied territory.

    LL> The prelude to war (the Russian takeover of Crimea) began in 2012,
    LL> with the actual event (takeover and illegal annexation of Crimea)
    LL> in 2014. Fortunately for all, no big war took place, as US
    LL> President Obama chose to act like Neville Chamberlain rather than
    LL> Winston Churchill, giving Putin everything he wanted.

    What Obama did for Russia in 2012? Enlighten me! ;-)

    Bye, Lee!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Wed Oct 19 10:28:36 2022
    Hello, alexander!

    Wednesday October 19 2022 09:52, you wrote to Lee Lofaso:

    History has been moving despite treaties ans laws! I repeat you ones
    more -- Crimea literally fell on Russia's (Putin's) head after the
    coup in 2014. Nobody planned and foresaw it. People of Crimea had made

    No, it's not. Puting started military campaign and lied for a long that that "those forces are not ours".
    If you hear Putin saying anything - it's a lie. Always.

    their decision -- Russia just prevented bloodshed there. None of
    Crimeans think now they live on the occupied territory.

    Execept for those who were put in jail by FSB :(

    Best regards,
    dp.

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