Ukraine had a lot ways and time to prevent the war.

How many years in prison will you get for calling Mad Vlad's "special military operation" a war? Or maybe the troll factory workers are exempt from normal Russian law?


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Hi, Bj?rn Felten!
I read your message from 03.10.2022 12:06

ak>> Ukraine had a lot ways and time to prevent the war.
BF> How many years in prison will you get for calling Mad
BF> Vlad's "special military operation" a war? Or maybe the troll
BF> factory workers are exempt from normal Russian law?

There is no punishment for that, I assure you, although the state
control media must use "special military operation".
Besides, in Ukraine a person can really be persecuted if he tries to
refer the events in Donbass as a civil war that started in 2014.

Bye, Bj?rn!
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There is no punishment for that, I assure you, although the state
control media must use "special military operation".

And 'special' it is ...

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Hello Bj�rn,

Ukraine had a lot ways and time to prevent the war.

How many years in prison will you get for calling Mad Vlad's "special military operation" a war? Or maybe the troll factory workers are exempt from normal Russian law?

I'll let Noam Chomsky answer your silly questions -

https://chomsky.info/20220414/


Think it out.
This stupid war can end only in one of two ways -

1. Either Russia is totally destroyed, or Ukraine is totally destroyed.
Russia will not be totally destroyed. So Russia wins in the long run.

2. Negotiations between the two sides and an agreement is reached.
Neither side is willing to negotiate in good faith, so the destruction continues.

Professor Chomsky is 93 years old. It did not take him long to figure
out what was going on, as this piece was dated several months ago.

Why does the US and its NATO allies continue to urge Ukraine to
fight to the last man? Think about who is doing the actual fighting,
and paying the price.

For Life,
Lee

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Lee Lofaso wrote to Bj�rn Felten <=-

How many years in prison will you get for calling Mad Vlad's "special military operation" a war? Or maybe the troll factory workers are exempt from normal Russian law?

I'll let Noam Chomsky answer your silly questions -

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You're talking to yourself again, Beeeorn.



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Hi, Ward Dossche!
I read your message from 03.10.2022 19:24

ak>> There is no punishment for that, I assure you, although the
ak>> state control media must use "special military operation".
WD> And 'special' it is ...

Until February, for the civil war in Donbass Ukrainian media must use
the term "KTO" (contr-terror operation). And all who fight against the
new power in Kiev are called terrorists.

Bye, Ward!
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Hi, Lee Lofaso!
I read your message from 04.10.2022 01:18

LL> Think it out.
LL> This stupid war can end only in one of two ways -
LL> 1. Either Russia is totally destroyed, or Ukraine is totally
LL> destroyed. Russia will not be totally destroyed. So Russia wins
LL> in the long run. 2. Negotiations between the two sides and an
LL> agreement is reached. Neither side is willing to negotiate in
LL> good faith, so the destruction continues.

We can model the situation with Russia and Ukraine in this way:

Suppose modern Israel has finally been divided into Palestine and
Israel, and some areas with Jewish population stayed in the Palestine
part after the agreement that all the people will be equally and fairly treated. But after a time a coup happens in Palestine, and Hamas
captures the power and declared that all people in the country are now
Arabs, they must speak Arabs, cut tied with Israel etc. Naturally, the
Jewish community refused to follow such orders. Hamas starts a military offensive to Jewish areas. Well, it is all happening under the Israel
nose. ;-) What will happen next to newly independent Palestine? Will we
hear hysteria from Arab neighbours, sanctions and so on?

Bye, Lee!
Alexander Koryagin
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We can model the situation with Russia and Ukraine in this way:

You continue to bypass the issue ... the war started by Russia invading a bona-fide peaceful country ...

The only thing to do for the war to stop is for Russia to stop fighting and withdraw to positions of Feb.23rd ... I assure you, the Ukrainian army will immediately stop fighting the agressor.

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���ண� �६�窠, Ward Dossche.
�� ��ᠫ� 04.10.22 12:00:

We can model the situation with Russia and Ukraine in this way:

You continue to bypass the issue ... the war started by Russia invading a bona-fide peaceful
country ...

So what? You eat this too. We had good "teachers" with "national interests" all over the world. What we fought for, that's what we ran into.

The only thing to do for the war to stop is for Russia to stop fighting and withdraw to
positions of Feb.23rd ... I assure you, the Ukrainian army will immediately stop fighting the
agressor.

Naive... blessed is he who believes ;)

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���ண� �६�窠, alexander koryagin.
�� ��ᠫ� 04.10.22 10:59:

Until February, for the civil war in Donbass Ukrainian media must use the term "KTO"
(contr-terror operation). And all who fight against the new power in Kiev are called
terrorists.

ATO - anti-terror operation. KTO was at Chechnya.

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Hello Oleg,

Naive... blessed is he who believes ;)

He who believes is religious ... religious people believe stuff for which there is no explanation nor scientific proof ... a little bit like the Putin groupies ...

Besides, here's some good stuff for you ...

https://tinyurl.com/2p9xd5xu

Have phun,

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Oleg,

We believes is Russia.

That in itself is good, but it's not a James Bond movie "License to kill".

On the index of nationality quality, your country ranks 79th on a total of 210. Colombia, Panama, Dominica, China, Venezuela, Paraguay, Barbados, Malaysia, Cyprus and a bunch of others are ranked better. You have work to do .... start by removing the Poeteen-guy.

And, never underestimate the power of human stupidity.

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Hello Oleg Nazaroff!

** On Thursday 06.10.22 - 11:59, Oleg Nazaroff wrote to Ward Dossche:

yes, where are we, up to your superior race... Wait, we've
heard that somewhere before... Hitler came to a bad end.
All the higher races will be there, it's so predictable.
But traditionally, it will come unexpectedly late to
stupid you.

It's not about race. It's about freedom and liberty. You don't
have that in a police-state.
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yes, where are we, up to your superior race... Wait, we've heard that somewhere before... Hitler came to a bad end. All the higher races will
be there, it's so predictable. But traditionally, it will come
unexpectedly late to stupid you.

You have just provided proof for Godwin's law, as well as Dossche's Laws #4 and #17 on on-line discussions and communication:

Godwin:
"If any online discussion continues long enough, someone will almost
certainly make a reference to Hitler"

#4
"At the end of a stretched online debate, there always is an insult".

#17
"Lying is an ultimate form of free speech"

Enjoy the day,

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���ண� �६�窠, Ward Dossche.
�� ��ᠫ� 06.10.22 14:56:

yes, where are we, up to your superior race... Wait, we've heard that somewhere before...
Hitler came to a bad end. All the higher races will be there, it's so predictable. But
traditionally, it will come unexpectedly late to stupid you.

You have just provided proof for Godwin's law, as well as Dossche's Laws #4 and #17 on on-line
discussions and communication:

Read yourself again. It is recommended to repeat until complete understanding. If it doesn't come now, it will come later, don't worry. The Law of Belated Understanding, traditionally for the West.

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���ண� �६�窠, August Abolins.
�� ��ᠫ� 06.10.22 8:47:

yes, where are we, up to your superior race... Wait, we've heard that somewhere before...
Hitler came to a bad end. All the higher races will be there, it's so predictable. But
traditionally, it will come unexpectedly late to stupid you.

It's not about race. It's about freedom and liberty. You don't have that in a police-state.

I saw how the russian children of Donbass die for the freedom and liberty of the ukranian Nazis. Many years.
We have a fundamental difference of views on freedom, liberty and police-state. You talk about it, we do it and live it.

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Oleg,

I saw how the russian children of Donbass die for the freedom and liberty of the ukranian Nazis. Many years.
We have a fundamental difference of views on freedom, liberty and police-state. You talk about it, we do it and live it.

So, when are you leaving for the war? I mean, the special military operation?

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Dan wrote (2022-10-03):

Lee Lofaso wrote to Björn Felten <=-

<SNIP>

You're talking to yourself again, Beeeorn.

"Please stop trying to fan the flames, by making baseless accusations
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Hello Dan,

How many years in prison will you get for calling Mad Vlad's "special
military operation" a war? Or maybe the troll factory workers are
exempt from normal Russian law?

I'll let Noam Chomsky answer your silly questions -

<SNIP>

You're talking to yourself again, Beeeorn.

Professor Chomsky speaks far more eloquently than you.
Even at 93 years of age.
Hell, Jimmy Carter does too. At 98 years of age.
Happy (belated) Birthday, Jimmy!

For Life,
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Hello Alexander,

Think it out.
This stupid war can end only in one of two ways -
1. Either Russia is totally destroyed, or Ukraine is totally
destroyed. Russia will not be totally destroyed. So Russia wins
in the long run. 2. Negotiations between the two sides and an
agreement is reached. Neither side is willing to negotiate in
good faith, so the destruction continues.

We can model the situation with Russia and Ukraine in this way:

This should be interesting ...

Suppose modern Israel has finally been divided into Palestine and
Israel, and some areas with Jewish population stayed in the Palestine
part after the agreement that all the people will be equally and fairly treated.

The Turks ruled the land of Palestine until the end of WWI, when
the British decided to take over due to the spoils of war. And then,
Jewish people from Germany (and elsewhere) came sneaking in through
illegal immigration until the end of WWII. And then, the United
Nations got into the act, creating two Palestinian states - one for
Palestinian Arabs, and one for Palestinian Jews. Both the Arabs and
the Jews rejected the deal, and told the United Nations to take a
hike.

But after a time a coup happens in Palestine, and Hamas captures the power and declared that all people in the country are now Arabs, they must speak Arabs, cut tied with Israel etc.

No, no, no. You've got it all wrong. Both sides rejected the deal
offered to them by the United Nations. The Jews were not happy with
getting only a small portion of land that did not belong to them,
and the Arabs were not happy with their own land being given to
Jews by infidels.

Naturally, the Jewish community refused to follow such orders.

They certainly understood the penalty for disobeying Rule #1 -
You shall not have other gods before me.

Hamas starts a military offensive to Jewish areas.

Again, you have it all wrong. After both sides rejected the deal
offered to them by the United Nations, the Palestinian Jews attacked
the Palestian Arabs - on Arab land. And they did not do it once, but
four times since the United Nations tried to give them the land.

Well, it is all happening under the Israel nose. ;-)

Yasser Arafat is still worshipped by Palestinian Arabs. Palestinian
women love him, even years after his untimely death. So much so, they
continue to make babies for him. "One more fighter for Arafat!" as
their battle cry whenever a child is born ...

What will happen next to newly independent Palestine? Will we
hear hysteria from Arab neighbours, sanctions and so on?

Nah. Instead of chanting "Next year in Jerusalem" Palestinian Arabs
will be chanting "This year in Jerusalem" ...

For Life,
Lee

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Hello Ward,

We can model the situation with Russia and Ukraine in this way:

You continue to bypass the issue ... the war started by Russia invading a bona-fide peaceful country ...

The only thing to do for the war to stop is for Russia to stop fighting and
withdraw to positions of Feb.23rd ... I assure you, the Ukrainian army will
immediately stop fighting the agressor.

Crimea is part of Ukraine, and is recognized by the international
community as such. Despite Russia's claim to the contrary.

For Life,
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���ண� �६�窠, Ward Dossche.
�� ��ᠫ� 06.10.22 21:01:

I saw how the russian children of Donbass die for the freedom and liberty of the ukranian
Nazis. Many years. We have a fundamental difference of views on freedom, liberty and
police-state. You talk about it, we do it and live it.

So, when are you leaving for the war? I mean, the special military operation?

I think you'll find out soon from the news.

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���ண� �६�窠, Lee Lofaso.
�� ��ᠫ� 06.10.22 22:25:

We can model the situation with Russia and Ukraine in this way:

You continue to bypass the issue ... the war started by Russia invading a bona-fide peaceful
country ... The only thing to do for the war to stop is for Russia to stop fighting and
withdraw to positions of Feb.23rd ... I assure you, the Ukrainian army will immediately stop
fighting the agressor.

Crimea is part of Ukraine, and is recognized by the international community as such. Despite
Russia's claim to the contrary.

Golan is part of Syria, West Jerusalem and West bank of Jordan is part of Palestine and is recognized by the international community. Despite Israel's claim to the contrary.
South California, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, Utah, Colorado, Wayoming, Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas is part of Mexico. Despite USA's claim to the contrary.
Who is stronger has more rights?

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South California, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, Utah, Colorado, Wayoming, Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas is part of Mexico. Despite USA's claim to the contrary.

Please read-up on parts of the Louisiana purchase

Who is stronger has more rights?

The final liberation of Ukraine from the invader will show that.

So, when are you reporting to go to the front and get slaughtered?

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Hi, Lee Lofaso!
I read your message from 06.10.2022 23:25

ak>> Hamas starts a military offensive to Jewish areas.
LL> Again, you have it all wrong. After both sides rejected the deal
LL> offered to them by the United Nations, the Palestinian Jews
LL> attacked ??the Palestian Arabs - on Arab land. And they did not
LL> do it once, but four times since the United Nations tried to
LL> give them the land.

I described the situation theoretically, to compare Russians in Ukraine
and Jews in Palestine if they appeared in a similar situation. Both
living next to their protectors.

Bye, Lee!
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���ண� �६�窠, Ward Dossche.
�� ��ᠫ� 07.10.22 8:37:

South California, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, Utah, Colorado, Wayoming, Kansas, Oklahoma and
Texas is part of Mexico. Despite USA's claim to the contrary.

Please read-up on parts of the Louisiana purchase

This is not a question for me, for Mexico. She is even satisfied with the contribution for 170 years ;)

Who is stronger has more rights?

The final liberation of Ukraine from the invader will show that.

Let's wait and see who will free whom from whom.

So, when are you reporting to go to the front and get slaughtered?

You won't wait ;) And to the Donbass - occasionally, if necessary. You won't wait. Come, don't be afraid!

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���ண� �६�窠, alexander koryagin.
�� ��ᠫ� 07.10.22 10:16:

Again, you have it all wrong. After both sides rejected the deal offered to them by the
United Nations, the Palestinian Jews attacked ??the Palestian Arabs - on Arab land. And they
did not do it once, but four times since the United Nations tried to give them the land.

I described the situation theoretically, to compare Russians in Ukraine and Jews in Palestine
if they appeared in a similar situation. Both living next to their protectors.

Somewhat different circumstances. Russians do not treat Ukrainians as an inferior race of slaves, which cannot be said about Jews to Palestinians. There, the Palestinians are actually equated to the Negroes of the period of American slavery, with rules similar to the occupation regime of the Nazis. I've lived there for a long time, know from the inside.

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Somewhat different circumstances. Russians do not treat Ukrainians as an inferior race of slaves,

Worse than that, they even deny that they exist.

which cannot be said about Jews to
Palestinians. There, the Palestinians are actually equated to the
Negroes of the period of American slavery,

I agree, as does most human rights organisations, Israel is an apartheid country. There's no doubt about it. But Israel buys much more, very expensive, weapons systems from NATO countries than Palestine does, so those countries will never say it out loud.

BTW, Sweden has always supported the Palestinians' right...


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Hello Oleg,

Crimea is part of Ukraine, and is recognized by the international
community as such. Despite Russia's claim to the contrary.

Golan is part of Syria, West Jerusalem and West bank of Jordan is part of Palestine and is recognized by the international community.

In accordance with international law, the status of erusalem is that
of a city which is illegally occupied by Israel in violaion of the
inalienable right of soverignty of the people of Palestine.

Under the 1947 UN Partition Plan to divide historical Palestine
between Jewish and Arab States, Jerusalem was granted special status
and was meant to be placced under international sovereignty and
control. This special status was based on Jerusalem's religious
importance to Muslims, Jews, and Christians who live there.

Despite Israel's claim to the contrary.

UN Resolution 478 [passed] called Israel's action regarding Jerusalem
"null and void" as an occupying power does not have sovereignty on the territory it occupies.

South California, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, Utah, Colorado, Wayoming, Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas is part of Mexico.

Used to be. Once upon a time.

Despite USA's claim to the contrary.

The USA annexed those areas by treaty with Mexico.
And therefore is recognized by Mexico and the international
community as valid.

Who is stronger has more rights?

UN Resolution 242 [passed] stressed the "inadmissability of the
acquistion of territory by war." In other words, annexation of occupied territory is also a crime. A crime for which officials of the annexing
state are responsible. Put another way -
"Annexation by the use of force of the territory of another state
or part thereof" qualifies as the crime of agression, under the Article
8his of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.

Article 51 of the UN Charter confirms Israel's annexation of the Golan
is a violation of international law.

Israel is not alone in this.

For Life,
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Hello Alexander,

Hamas starts a military offensive to Jewish areas.

Again, you have it all wrong. After both sides rejected the deal
offered to them by the United Nations, the Palestinian Jews
attacked ??the Palestian Arabs - on Arab land. And they did not
do it once, but four times since the United Nations tried to
give them the land.

I described the situation theoretically, to compare Russians in Ukraine and Jews in Palestine if they appeared in a similar situation. Both
living next to their protectors.

The Arabs and the Jews have been fighting each other since
time immemorial. Ukrainians and Russians not so much.

In the USA, even the Hatfields and McCoys have learned to live
together in peace. Although granted it did take them a long time.

So there is hope.

Jimmy Carter brought Menachim Begin and Anwas Sadat together.
They even made peace with each other, both winning the Nobel Peace
Prize.

Bill Clinton brought Yatzik Rabin and Yasser Arafat together. They
even made peace with each other, both winning the Nobel Peace Prize.

Now it is time for Joe Biden to bring Zelensky and Putin together.
They will be sure to make peace with each other, both winning the
Nobel Peace Prize.

"Blessed are the Peacemakers, for they will be called children
of God." ~Matthew 5:9

For Life,
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Hello Alexander,

We can model the situation with Russia and Ukraine in
this way:

You continue to bypass the issue ... the war started by
Russia invading a bona-fide peaceful country ...
The only thing to do for the war to stop is for Russia to
stop fighting and withdraw to positions of Feb.23rd ... I
assure you, the Ukrainian army will immediately stop
fighting the agressor.

Crimea is part of Ukraine, and is recognized by the
international community as such. Despite Russia's claim to the
contrary.

The US recognized Jerusalem as a capital of Israel and opened its
embassy there.

So what? No other country in the world (except Russia) recognizes
Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Do you know why?

Under the 1947 UN Partition Plan to divide historical Palestine
between Jewish and Arab states, Jerusalem was granted special status
and was meant to be be placed under international sovereignty and
control.

This special status was based on Jerusalem's religious importance
to the Muslims, Jews, and Christians who live there.

It means that if a thing is prohibited but very desirable then it is allowed. ;) In addition Russians in Crimea don't hurl rocks to their occupants. ;-)

UN Resolution 478 [passed] called Israel's action regarding Jerusalem
(Knesset claim of Jerusalem being capital of Israel) as being "null and
void."

The same applies to all other countries making such an audacious
claim. So what does it matter? Trump and Putin can claim whatever they
want. But that does not make it so.

Israeli army has tanks. Palestinian kids have rocks.
Guess which side always wins such contests?

Of course, things could change if NATO starts arming those
Palestinian kids will heavier stuff ...

For Life,
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Hello Oleg,

South California, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, Utah, Colorado,

Wayoming, Kansas, Oklahoma and

Texas is part of Mexico. Despite USA's claim to the contrary.

Please read-up on parts of the Louisiana purchase

This is not a question for me, for Mexico. She is even satisfied with the contribution for 170 years ;)

Mexico is only a small size of what it once was.
But it is still Mexico.

Who is stronger has more rights?

The final liberation of Ukraine from the invader will show that.

Let's wait and see who will free whom from whom.

To the victor go the spoils? UN Resolution 242 [passed] says
otherwise, that annexation of occupied territory is a crime, for
which officials of the annexing state are responsible.

So, when are you reporting to go to the front and get slaughtered?

You won't wait ;) And to the Donbass - occasionally, if necessary. You won't
wait. Come, don't be afraid!

Article 51 of the UN Charter confirms Israel's annexation of Golan
is violation of international law.

US policy also remains the same, that the Golan remains part of Syria. Regardless of what former president Donald Trump claims.

For Life,
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Hello Oleg,

[..]

I described the situation theoretically, to compare Russians in
Ukraine and Jews in Palestine if they appeared in a similar
situation. Both living next to their protectors.

Somewhat different circumstances.

Very different circumstances. Palestine was partitioned by the
United Nations into two states - one for Palestinian Jews and one
for Palestinian Arabs. Both sides rejected the deal, for different
reasons. Palestinian Arabs did not accept their land being taken
from them by the United Nations (or by anybody else), and
Palestinian Jews wanted all the land of Palestine for themselves.

Russians do not treat Ukrainians as an inferior race of slaves, which cannot
be said about Jews to Palestinians. There, the Palestinians are actually equated to the Negroes of the period of American slavery, with rules similar to the occupation regime of the Nazis. I've lived there for a long time, know from the inside.

Israel is more of a theocracy than a democracy. Think fundamentalist
Jewish state rather than fundamentalist Islamic state.

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���ண� �६�窠, Lee Lofaso.
�� ��ᠫ� 08.10.22 23:28:

I described the situation theoretically, to compare Russians in Ukraine and Jews in
Palestine if they appeared in a similar situation. Both living next to their protectors.

Somewhat different circumstances.

Very different circumstances. Palestine was partitioned by the United Nations into two states
- one for Palestinian Jews and one for Palestinian Arabs. Both sides rejected the deal, for
different reasons. Palestinian Arabs did not accept their land being taken from them by the
United Nations (or by anybody else), and Palestinian Jews wanted all the land of Palestine for
themselves.

UN here once again discredits itself as such. Did they take an interest in the opinion of the Palestinians ahead of time, did they hold a referendum - how, Palestinian citizens, we counted here, you have a lot of extra land, we decided to make a settlement in your communal apartment, the very ones who crucified your god, you don't mind, let's vote, we are for!

Russians do not treat Ukrainians as an inferior race of slaves, which cannot be said about
Jews to Palestinians. There, the Palestinians are actually equated to the Negroes of the
period of American slavery, with rules similar to the occupation regime of the Nazis. I've
lived there for a long time, know from the inside.

Israel is more of a theocracy than a democracy. Think fundamentalist Jewish state rather than
fundamentalist Islamic state.

Did someone tell you or did they invent it themselves that the majority of Russians and Ukrainians are Democrats?? This is an implanted "belief" of the West, by the way.

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���ண� �६�窠, Lee Lofaso.
�� ��ᠫ� 08.10.22 23:28:

Crimea is part of Ukraine, and is recognized by the international community as such. Despite
Russia's claim to the contrary.

Golan is part of Syria, West Jerusalem and West bank of Jordan is part of Palestine and is
recognized by the international community.

In accordance with international law, the status of erusalem is that of a city which is
illegally occupied by Israel in violaion of the inalienable right of soverignty of the people
of Palestine. Under the 1947 UN Partition Plan to divide historical Palestine between Jewish
and Arab States, Jerusalem was granted special status and was meant to be placced under
international sovereignty and control. This special status was based on Jerusalem's religious
importance to Muslims, Jews, and Christians who live there.

So what? What changes from this how many decades have there been? They spit on the GT and the Palestinians. Who is stronger than that and sneakers. Who is richer - just bought a piece of land in Jerusalem. Those who lived there before 1947 were forcibly deprived of housing and rights.

South California, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, Utah, Colorado, Wayoming, Kansas, Oklahoma and
Texas is part of Mexico.

Used to be. Once upon a time.

Yeah. I'll just pull up my pants and trust God without looking back.

Despite USA's claim to the contrary.

The USA annexed those areas by treaty with Mexico. And therefore is recognized by Mexico and
the international community as valid.

A contract signed under pressure is null and void.

Who is stronger has more rights?

UN Resolution 242 [passed] stressed the "inadmissability of the acquistion of territory by
war." In other words, annexation of occupied territory is also a crime. A crime for which
officials of the annexing state are responsible. Put another way - "Annexation by the use of
force of the territory of another state or part thereof" qualifies as the crime of agression,
under the Article 8his of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.

Everyone spat on UN.

Article 51 of the UN Charter confirms Israel's annexation of the Golan is a violation of
international law. Israel is not alone in this.

Because the hegemon is a good example. If it is possible for the hegemon, it is possible for others. And what's wrong with Russia? At the same time, Russia takes into account the opinion of the people inhabiting the "annexed" territories. And twice in history - the first referendum was in 1990, but it was ignored - a bunch of traitors illegally, for the sake of their own interests and for the money of the hegemon, the USA - destroyed the USSR.

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���ண� �६�窠, Lee Lofaso.
�� ��ᠫ� 08.10.22 23:28:

It means that if a thing is prohibited but very desirable then it is allowed. ;) In addition
Russians in Crimea don't hurl rocks to their occupants. ;-)

The same applies to all other countries making such an audacious claim. So what does it
matter? Trump and Putin can claim whatever they want. But that does not make it so. Israeli
army has tanks. Palestinian kids have rocks. Guess which side always wins such contests? Of
course, things could change if NATO starts arming those Palestinian kids will heavier stuff
...

You understand that NATO and no one else will do this almost never. So why the fuck would NATO want to do this with Ukraine? Yes, because it is convenient to fight with someone else's hands and pour someone else's blood. And Putin will definitely fuck around Britain and the USA, if anything. It's about time.

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���ண� �६�窠, Lee Lofaso.
�� ��ᠫ� 08.10.22 23:28:

I described the situation theoretically, to compare Russians in Ukraine and Jews in Palestine
if they appeared in a similar situation. Both living next to their protectors.

The Arabs and the Jews have been fighting each other since time immemorial. Ukrainians and
Russians not so much. Jimmy Carter brought Menachim Begin and Anwas Sadat together. They even
made peace with each other, both winning the Nobel Peace Prize.

A world divided by a 10-meter wall is so-so peaceful. All these Nobel prizes are disconnected from reality.

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You understand that NATO and no one else will do this almost never. So why the fuck would NATO want to do this with Ukraine?

NATO doesn't want any of this.

Yes, because it is convenient to fight with someone else's hands and pour someone else's blood.

NATO isn't fighting. Ukraine is defending itself from an invading nation.

And Putin will definitely fuck around Britain and the USA, if anything. It's about time.

Time for what?

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���ண� �६�窠, Lee Lofaso.
�� ��ᠫ� 08.10.22 23:28:

Crimea is part of Ukraine, and is recognized by the international community as such. Despite
Russia's claim to the contrary.

Golan is part of Syria, West Jerusalem and West bank of Jordan is part of Palestine and is
recognized by the international community.

In accordance with international law, the status of erusalem is that of a city which is
illegally occupied by Israel in violaion of the inalienable right of soverignty of the people
of Palestine.

Okay, where are the 8 packages of sanctions from the United States and the European Union against Israel???

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���ண� �६�窠, Alan Ianson.
�� ��ᠫ� 09.10.22 0:40:

You understand that NATO and no one else will do this almost never. So why the fuck would
NATO want to do this with Ukraine?

NATO doesn't want any of this.

Reluctantly supplies weapons, from under the stick, huh? He doesn't want to, but he has to. Someone.

Yes, because it is convenient to fight with someone else's hands and pour someone else's
blood.

NATO isn't fighting. Ukraine is defending itself from an invading nation.

And we took photos and videos of NATO instructors and mercenaries on Mosfilm, yeah. And then they performed plastic surgery on the unfortunate, killed them and buried them on the battlefield, and brainwashed others and captured them. Only so far only Hollywood is working clumsily.

And Putin will definitely fuck around Britain and the USA, if anything. It's about time.

Time for what?

Here you will find out at the same time ;)

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NATO doesn't want any of this.

Reluctantly supplies weapons, from under the stick, huh? He doesn't want to, but he has to. Someone.

Some countries willingly supply Ukraine with weapons. Are you surprised?

NATO isn't fighting. Ukraine is defending itself from an invading nation.

And we took photos and videos of NATO instructors and mercenaries on Mosfilm, yeah. And then they performed plastic surgery on the unfortunate, killed them and buried them on the battlefield, and brainwashed others and captured them. Only so far only Hollywood is working clumsily.

That's a great script.

Time for what?

Here you will find out at the same time ;)

Uh huh.

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NATO isn't fighting. Ukraine is defending itself from an invading nation.

And we took photos and videos of NATO instructors and mercenaries

Yeah, Russia is fighting NATO, that's Putin's narrative. He obviously have no idea about how powerful NATO is. This is what will happen, in chronological order, if Mad Vlad manages to declare war on any NATO country.

1. Instant destruction of all Russian warships in the Black Sea and then world-wide.

2. Instant destruction of all Russian military installations in Kaliningrad.

3. Instant destruction of all Russian military installations in occupied Moldova.

4. Instant destruction of all Russian military installations in occupied Georgia.

5. Instant destruction of all Russian ground stations for satellite and other telecommunications.

6. Total air and sea blockade of all Russian ports.

7. Permanent forfeiture of all assets in Europe and North America (those that for now has only been frozen).

8. Plus of course, NATO troops and equipment (air, land and sea) in Ukraine -- how long do you think Mad Vlad's army of unwilling, untrained, unequipped conscripts with corrupt leaders will hold out? I guess they'll start running home within hours. Those that survive, that is.


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���ண� �६�窠, Bj�rn Felten.
�� ��ᠫ� 09.10.22 14:17:

NATO isn't fighting. Ukraine is defending itself from an invading nation.

And we took photos and videos of NATO instructors and mercenaries

Yeah, Russia is fighting NATO, that's Putin's narrative. He obviously have no idea about
how powerful NATO is. This is what will happen, in chronological order, if Mad Vlad manages to
declare war on any NATO country.
1. Instant destruction of all Russian warships in the Black Sea and then world-wide. 8. Plus
of course, NATO troops and equipment (air, land and sea) in Ukraine -- how long do you think
Mad Vlad's army of unwilling, untrained, unequipped conscripts with corrupt leaders will hold
out? I guess they'll start running home within hours. Those that survive, that is.

Yes yes. The whole world saw how brave Americans escaped from the Taliban in rags and with rusty machine guns ;)

About Syria, I'm too mournfully silent ;)

Look for Poseidons more carefully ;)

The fact that the Russians are a jerk, we ourselves are aware of it ;) We like to show "cartoons" that unexpectedly turn out to be real weapons, to which NATO is like walking to the moon...

And don't dream!

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���ண� �६�窠, Alan Ianson.
�� ��ᠫ� 09.10.22 4:35:

NATO doesn't want any of this.

Reluctantly supplies weapons, from under the stick, huh? He doesn't want to, but he has to.
Someone.

Some countries willingly supply Ukraine with weapons. Are you surprised?

Send more - we will dispose of this as well.


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Hi, Lee Lofaso!
I read your message from 09.10.2022 00:28

ak>>>> Hamas starts a military offensive to Jewish areas.
LL>>> Again, you have it all wrong. After both sides rejected the deal
LL>>> offered to them by the United Nations, the Palestinian Jews
LL>>> attacked the Palestian Arabs - on Arab land. And they did not do
LL>>> it once, but four times since the United Nations tried to give
LL>>> them the land.

ak>> I described the situation theoretically, to compare Russians in
ak>> Ukraine and Jews in Palestine if they appeared in a similar
ak>> situation. Both living next to their protectors.

LL> The Arabs and the Jews have been fighting each other since time
LL> immemorial. Ukrainians and Russians not so much.

LL> In the USA, even the Hatfields and McCoys have learned to live
LL> together in peace. Although granted it did take them a long time.

LL> So there is hope.

LL> Jimmy Carter brought Menachim Begin and Anwas Sadat together. They
LL> even made peace with each other, both winning the Nobel Peace
LL> Prize.

LL> Bill Clinton brought Yatzik Rabin and Yasser Arafat together. They
LL> even made peace with each other, both winning the Nobel Peace
LL> Prize.

LL> Now it is time for Joe Biden to bring Zelensky and Putin together.
LL> They will be sure to make peace with each other, both winning the
LL> Nobel Peace Prize.

LL> "Blessed are the Peacemakers, for they will be called children of
LL> God." ~Matthew 5:9

For this the West should take a plunger piston to clean its eyes which
don't see in the Ukraine two fighting nations and a nationalistic
conflict. The idea that the war is caused only by the Putin's desire to capture Ukraine is wrong.

Bye, Lee!
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Hi, Lee Lofaso!
I read your message from 09.10.2022 00:28

ak>> It means that if a thing is prohibited but very desirable
ak>> then it is allowed. ;) In addition Russians in Crimea don't
ak>> hurl rocks to their occupants. ;-)
LL> UN Resolution 478 [passed] called Israel's action regarding
LL> Jerusalem (Knesset claim of Jerusalem being capital of Israel)
LL> as being "null and void."

LL> The same applies to all other countries making such an audacious
LL> claim. So what does it matter? Trump and Putin can claim
LL> whatever they want. But that does not make it so.
LL> Israeli army has tanks. Palestinian kids have rocks.
LL> Guess which side always wins such contests?
LL> Of course, things could change if NATO starts arming those
LL> Palestinian kids will heavier stuff ...

A famous phrase "He is a son of bitch, but he is our son bitch" is still
very actual. ;-)

Bye, Lee!
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Hi, Bj?rn Felten!
I read your message from 09.10.2022 15:17

AI>>> NATO isn't fighting. Ukraine is defending itself from an invading
AI>>> nation.
ON>> And we took photos and videos of NATO instructors and mercenaries
BF> Yeah, Russia is fighting NATO, that's Putin's narrative. He
BF> obviously have no idea about how powerful NATO is. This is what
BF> will happen, in chronological order, if Mad Vlad manages to declare
BF> war on any NATO country.

BF> 1. Instant destruction of all Russian warships in the Black Sea and
BF> then world-wide.
BF> 2. Instant destruction of all Russian military installations in
BF> Kaliningrad.
BF> 3. Instant destruction of all Russian military installations in
BF> occupied Moldova.
BF> 4. Instant destruction of all Russian military installations in
BF> occupied Georgia.

Stop reading about Harry Potter too much! ;=))

BF> 5. Instant destruction of all Russian ground stations for satellite
BF> and other telecommunications.

I wish we will not compete in that area. After that we won't be able to
fly safely into space for hundreds of years. ;-) And for optical
cables... How do you think -- what does a person need to destroy an
vital Internet cable from Europe to America, for instance? A small
motoboat, GPS navigator and a modest depth bomb, all used in the foggy
night. Should we compete in it too? ;-) The same is true about western
gas pipelines.

BF> 6. Total air and sea blockade of all Russian ports.

BF> 7. Permanent forfeiture of all assets in Europe and North America
BF> (those that for now has only been frozen).

Making a North Korea from Russia is a very poor idea for the West.
Russia's demands are much modest than the price of that poor idea.

BF> 8. Plus of course, NATO troops and equipment (air, land and sea) in
BF> Ukraine -- how long do you think Mad Vlad's army of unwilling,
BF> untrained, unequipped conscripts with corrupt leaders will hold
BF> out? I guess they'll start running home within hours. Those that
BF> survive, that is.

Nuclear strikes can started incidentally when both sides keep fingers on launch buttons. So, it is much better to recall the Caribbean crisis and
start to respect each other interests, make concessions to each other.

Bye, Bj?rn!
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Yes yes. The whole world saw how brave Americans escaped from the
Taliban in rags and with rusty machine guns ;)

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

1) NATO != America

2) I think you are thinking of how the USSR performed in the 1980s?


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���ண� �६�窠, Bj�rn Felten.
�� ��ᠫ� 10.10.22 10:41:

Yes yes. The whole world saw how brave Americans escaped from the Taliban in rags and with
rusty machine guns ;)

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.
1) NATO != America

Nato without America is nothing. You have nothing but an excessive sense of self-worth anymore, Kazan orphans. Even with memory and then problems. Nato, together with the European Union, may disintegrate even faster than Ukraine ;)

2) I think you are thinking of how the USSR performed in the 1980s?

We were withdrawing troops from Afghanistan without shameful flight, and we continue to cooperate, unlike the USA.

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Oleg,

Yes yes. The whole world saw how brave Americans escaped from the Taliban in rags and with rusty machine guns ;)

They ran from then Saigon in the 1980-ies. They didn't run in Afghanistan. Most of the American operations had already been contracted out to private companies with limited military presence. Friend of mine was there, the salaries were so high he bought a $320.000 house cash ... with the money in his pocket ... earned in 3 years. This was like 6yrs ago already.

Afghanistan troops were incompetent of provading security, that's why the US left, shouldn't have been there in the first place.

But do not confuse NATO with America. There are several more nuclear capable countries member of NATO. Britain in 1982 went to war 13.000km away and beat the shit out of Argentina...without nukes. Just conventional. That is what Bjorn was saying, conventionally the Russian army is not a threat anymore. Just the nukes, and in a nuclear war there are no winners. I think we agree on that ...

About Syria, I'm too mournfully silent ;)

There's just that much to write about in 24hrs ... what about the 25.000 children who died in Africa yesterday for lack of food because of the war in Ukraine? And how about the 25.000 today? And the 25.000 tomorrow? ... They are just in another statistic to hide the real truth. Figures from the UN.

The fact that the Russians are a jerk, we ourselves are aware of it ;)

Ah .... OK then .... Being a jerk is one thing, being an idiot another. I hope Russians are not idiots.

I live pretty close to NATO HQ here, if one day my node goes into a high-pitched shriek, people will know what happened.

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���ண� �६�窠, Ward Dossche.
�� ��ᠫ� 10.10.22 11:44:

Yes yes. The whole world saw how brave Americans escaped from the Taliban in rags and with
rusty machine guns ;)

They ran from then Saigon in the 1980-ies. They didn't run in Afghanistan. Most of the
American operations had already been contracted out to private companies with limited military
presence. Friend of mine was there, the salaries were so high he bought a $320.000 house cash
... with the money in his pocket ... earned in 3 years. This was like 6yrs ago already.

They run away wherever they get slapped. Only the heels sparkled. It was funny to watch how the ragged Taliban drove this smug herd.

Afghanistan troops were incompetent of provading security, that's why the US left, shouldn't
have been there in the first place.

Excuses are irrelevant. They don't wave their fists after a fight.

But do not confuse NATO with America. There are several more nuclear capable countries member
of NATO. Britain in 1982 went to war 13.000km away and beat the shit out of
Argentina...without nukes. Just conventional. That is what Bjorn was saying, conventionally
the Russian army is not a threat anymore. Just the nukes, and in a nuclear war there are no
winners. I think we agree on that ...

I wouldn't say that, judging by this morning. Not that I woke up from rocket launches, but while I was doing exercises on the street, I got tired of counting the launches first, and then just hours until the shelling stopped. And yes, we haven't even started yet. So, while reluctantly warming up.
Do you really want nuke? So undermine yourself, don't suffer. Away only somewhere.
Ukrainians can also arrange a gift for you. Spent and American nuclear fuel is stored directly under the open sky at the Zaporozhye NPP. If something arrives there from the Nazis, it will cover northern Europe first of all.

About Syria, I'm too mournfully silent ;)

There's just that much to write about in 24hrs ... what about the 25.000 children who died in
Africa yesterday for lack of food because of the war in Ukraine? And how about the 25.000
today? And the 25.000 tomorrow? ... They are just in another statistic to hide the real truth.
Figures from the UN.

Well, look for yourself where the grain has gone from Ukraine. How many were sent to Africa and how many reached. The rest somehow disappeared on the way past Europe... And when you eat bread in winter, think about why and how many children died. Russia, by the way, gives its bread to Africa. Your country only takes it.

The fact that the Russians are a jerk, we ourselves are aware of it ;)

Ah .... OK then .... Being a jerk is one thing, being an idiot another. I hope Russians are
not idiots.

Well, we are cotton wool. Or how is your propaganda broadcasting about us? We wear quilted jackets, guard bears instead of dogs, and solid Ivan-fools everywhere. Some people don't understand how they even got into Forbes, they built yachts one more than the other - well, complete idiots. Because the alternatively gifted West took all this hard-earned wealth and grabbed it. Without declaring war.
The fact that Ivan is a fool and can be offended is not known to the West. Poked the bears with a stick with a nail - no, does not answer, probably died. And when the bear swings, has breakfast with vodka, pulls out a couple of conventional hurricanes and goes waving, screaming "what are we for?" it will be too late.

I live pretty close to NATO HQ here, if one day my node goes into a high-pitched shriek,
people will know what happened.

You won't have time for it ;)

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Hello alexander koryagin!

** On Monday 10.10.22 - 09:56, alexander koryagin wrote to Bj?rn Felten:

[..] So, it is much better to recall the Caribbean crisis
and start to respect each other interests, make
concessions to each other.

Putin has not shown that he is interested to respect anyone's
interests except his own. And now, it is too late for him;
he's already started warring.

He can't show his face publicly outside own country. He is
deemed persona non grata by the international community. He
has put a target on his own back.

The Caribbean crisis episode and talks were different. Warring
had not yet begun.

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Hello Oleg!

** On Monday 10.10.22 - 14:40, you wrote to Ward:

[...] And yes, we haven't even started yet. So, while
reluctantly warming up.

You really have no idea what freedom is, do you?

[...] Russia, by the way, gives its bread to Africa. Your
country only takes it.

Maybe that is a lie reported to you.

[...] Poked the bears with a stick with a nail - no, does
not answer, probably died. And when the bear swings, has
breakfast with vodka, pulls out a couple of conventional
hurricanes and goes waving, screaming "what are we for?"
it will be too late.

Speaking in cliches and is not a wise communication strategy.
It may only indicate how conditioned you are to think one way
only.

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1) NATO != America

Nato without America is nothing.

As I said, I know that this is the "truth" in Russia. But you really should read up before you uncritically swallow the lies from Putin and his followers.

You have nothing but an excessive sense of self-worth anymore,

You? Me? American? ROTFL

Nato, together with the European Union, may disintegrate even
faster than Ukraine ;)

More propaganda from Mad Vlad and company? Now that Putin's bosom buddy, #45, no longer has any power, and the attempts to break up NATO is off the table, it's unity is stronger than ever. Some countries have even giving up a 200 year long alliance free stand point to join and strengthen the organisation.

2) I think you are thinking of how the USSR performed in the 1980s?

We were withdrawing troops from Afghanistan without shameful flight,

Even more history revision? The USSR's decade long "special military operation" in Afghanistan was the straw that finally broke the USSR camel's back and brought an end to a 70 year old failed experiment with bastardized communism, forever giving communism (and socialism) a bad name in certain societies.



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Hi, August Abolins!
I read your message from 11.10.2022 02:48

ak>> [..] So, it is much better to recall the Caribbean crisis
ak>> and start to respect each other interests, make
ak>> concessions to each other.
AA> Putin has not shown that he is interested to respect anyone's
AA> interests except his own. And now, it is too late for him;
AA> he's already started warring.

First of all, it is the authority in Kiev had showed clearly, after
2014, that it is not interested to respect people who voted against
them. This authority spat at their will, actually tried to brake over a
knee the population in Ukraine east and south.

AA> He can't show his face publicly outside own country. He is
AA> deemed persona non grata by the international community. He
AA> has put a target on his own back.

It so happened that the Ukraine coup and the following havoc happened
when Putin is in power. And because of that any Russian reaction looked discredited. But if you ask me who is more fucking and crazy in the
Ukraine I will say -- now doubts -- it is Ukraine ultra-nationalists who planted tones of hatred grains across Ukraine, making from Ukraine a
volcano of hate towards the Russian culture.

AA> The Caribbean crisis episode and talks were different. Warring
AA> had not yet begun.

Ukraine now looks like a fucking little boy who does mean things to his
older brother when parents a somewhere near and will hear his
deliberately loud howling when he get a deserved box on the ears from
his older brother. This boy is a good and mean actor. He is happy when
the older brother gets punishment from the parents and continues his
mean behaviour.

Bye, August!
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���ண� �६�窠, Bj�rn Felten.
�� ��ᠫ� 11.10.22 2:44:

1) NATO != America

Nato without America is nothing.

As I said, I know that this is the "truth" in Russia. But you really should read up before
you uncritically swallow the lies from Putin and his followers.

You have nothing but an excessive sense of self-worth anymore,

You? Me? American? ROTFL

Nato, together with the European Union, may disintegrate even faster than Ukraine ;)

More propaganda from Mad Vlad and company? Now that Putin's bosom buddy, #45, no longer has
any power, and the attempts to break up NATO is off the table, it's unity is stronger than
ever. Some countries have even giving up a 200 year long alliance free stand point to join and
strengthen the organisation.

200 years? That's all? Your memory is bad, you have to be reminded constantly. Also remember Alexander the Great. And Genghis Khan. The heirs suck. Blessed is he who believes. The more painful it will be to fall.

And yes - I don't watch Russian TV at all. Enough Western documentaries. Not a single fucking victory with an equal opponent. All you can do is rattle metal in front of unarmed Papuans.

2) I think you are thinking of how the USSR performed in the 1980s?

We were withdrawing troops from Afghanistan without shameful flight,

Even more history revision? The USSR's decade long "special military operation" in
Afghanistan was the straw that finally broke the USSR camel's back and brought an end to a 70
year old failed experiment with bastardized communism, forever giving communism (and
socialism) a bad name in certain societies.

Remind Vietnam? Hiroshima? Yugoslavia? Starving Africa in the former European colonies? 40 million homeless people in fucking capitalism? Is it "other"?

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���ண� �६�窠, August Abolins.
�� ��ᠫ� 10.10.22 19:55:

Hello Oleg! ** On Monday 10.10.22 - 14:40, you wrote to Ward:

[...] And yes, we haven't even started yet. So, while reluctantly warming up.

You really have no idea what freedom is, do you?

I seriously think that you don't know anything about real freedom.

[...] Russia, by the way, gives its bread to Africa. Your country only takes it.

Maybe that is a lie reported to you.

Of course Africa is lying! And the Russians are only doing what they lie to the whole honest world. Another thing is strange - why does Ukraine feed Africa at all, and not the European colonizers? Have you forgotten how to grow bread there with your freedom? Oh, but how will poor unhappy France live without Ukrainian steel now? The mousetrap closed.

[...] Poked the bears with a stick with a nail - no, does not answer, probably died. And when
the bear swings, has breakfast with vodka, pulls out a couple of conventional hurricanes and
goes waving, screaming "what are we for?" it will be too late.

Speaking in cliches and is not a wise communication strategy. It may only indicate how
conditioned you are to think one way only.

Well, of course you think for everyone, but of course, we believe right unconditionally ;)
Especially after the found production of a dirty bomb with Western components. Sincere concern for the neighbor straight. And well, how will it "fly" in your direction, have you ever wondered, no? By God's providence. A stoned, crazed Ukrainian monkey with a grenade can still think soberly and throw it to its destination.




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Oleg,

Of course Africa is lying! And the Russians are only doing what they lie
to the whole honest world.

Russian authorities are not lying to the world, but to the Russian population and by 100% controlling the media and wiping-out any dissent, the minds of ordinary Russians have been polluted for years on end.

BTW ... there are 120 freighters anchored in the Black Sea for grain transports and they can't move because Russian inspections take from 6 to 10 days per vessel ... how difficult can it be.

Oh, but how will poor unhappy
France live without Ukrainian steel now? The mousetrap closed.

Ukraine is going to be a worldwide supplier of scrap Russian steel.

Especially after the found production of a dirty bomb with Western components.

Even the rockets Russia is firing at innocent civilians have Western components ... and ... wow ... iPhones in Russia also have Western components.

Your boss has announced that Russia is going to be building its own airliners and move away from Boeing as well as Airbus ... that will be very amusing as more than 40% of the parts are US and European made and under sanctions. Whatever you find in a cockpit of the SSJ100 is Western made ... Bendix, Honeywell, ... and no way to build them for yourselves for at least another 10 years ... Amusing ... keep on going Oleg, at least you entertain.

In case you missed it, Russia has just lost its permanent seat in the ICAO.

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���ண� �६�窠, Ward Dossche.
�� ��ᠫ� 11.10.22 12:43:

Of course Africa is lying! And the Russians are only doing what they lie to the whole honest
world.

Russian authorities are not lying to the world, but to the Russian population and by 100%
controlling the media and wiping-out any dissent, the minds of ordinary Russians have been
polluted for years on end.

So you admit that Putin is telling the truth. Inside, we somehow learned over many decades to separate the wheat from the chaff.

BTW ... there are 120 freighters anchored in the Black Sea for grain transports and they can't
move because Russian inspections take from 6 to 10 days per vessel ... how difficult can it
be.

Your sanctions, we didn't pull anyone by the tongue.

Oh, but how will poor unhappy France live without Ukrainian steel now? The mousetrap closed.

Ukraine is going to be a worldwide supplier of scrap Russian steel.

So far, it turns out more and more Soviet and Western. But France does not need such a thing, such a se la vie.

Especially after the found production of a dirty bomb with Western components.

Even the rockets Russia is firing at innocent civilians have Western components ... and ...
wow ... iPhones in Russia also have Western components.

Naive. SSJ has already received domestic engines, not to mention small things. And somehow, unlike the West, we managed to preserve our aircraft production. In the USSR, we did not walk from Konigsberg to Nakhodka. And it was your gentle ears that forbade us to fly to Europe on our engines. We spit on your opinion from orbit ;)

And what kind of shit the iPhone is made of is a personal problem of the owners. Half of the services don't work on them anyway, including navigation - strange mountain people who buy this shit for the price of half a car ;)

Have fun for now, it won't be long. By the way, I have a completely different Boss ;)


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���ண� �६�窠, Bj�rn Felten.
�� ��ᠫ� 11.10.22 2:44:

1) NATO != America

Nato without America is nothing.

As I said, I know that this is the "truth" in Russia. But you really should read up before
you uncritically swallow the lies from Putin and his followers.

Really? From where, working undercover?

I've been living too long not to understand which of you is lying ;)

You have nothing but an excessive sense of self-worth anymore,

You? Me? American? ROTFL

Well, English is basically a very poor language. Green green green green green ;) but in Russian it sounds like poetry ;)

Nato, together with the European Union, may disintegrate even faster than Ukraine ;)

More propaganda from Mad Vlad and company? Now that Putin's bosom buddy, #45, no longer has
any power, and the attempts to break up NATO is off the table, it's unity is stronger than
ever. Some countries have even giving up a 200 year long alliance free stand point to join and
strengthen the organisation.

Well no, it's Western propaganda ;)


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���ண� �६�窠, alexander koryagin.
�� ��ᠫ� 11.10.22 10:05:

It so happened that the Ukraine coup and the following havoc happened when Putin is in power.
And because of that any Russian reaction looked discredited. But if you ask me who is more
fucking and crazy in the Ukraine I will say -- now doubts -- it is Ukraine ultra-nationalists
who planted tones of hatred grains across Ukraine, making from Ukraine a volcano of hate
towards the Russian culture.

They were quite successfully managed by the same ones who brainwashed the whole of Ukraine. And the collective West did all this.

And Putin - everyone in the West was satisfied. While he was scraping and begging. As soon as he changed his rhetoric to a bearish grin, he immediately became objectionable, non-friendly and discredited. And the West gave birth to sanctions just like lightning - it was prepared in advance, there could not have been any friendship initially, centuries ago.


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���ண� �६�窠, August Abolins.
�� ��ᠫ� 10.10.22 19:48:

Putin has not shown that he is interested to respect anyone's interests except his own. And
now, it is too late for him; he's already started warring.

You are always afraid of the strong, that's good.
Nikita should have stayed calm in 1962, now the survivors in the West would have been more accommodating ;) The USSR then had every chance of success.


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Your sanctions, we didn't pull anyone by the tongue.

The delays are in a Turkish port where Russians inspect the cargo. How difficult can it be to inspect a cargo of wheat ... takes 6-10 days.

Naive. SSJ has already received domestic engines, not to mention small things. And somehow, unlike the West, we managed to preserve our aircraft production.

Actually, the SSJ100 is an economic and technical disaster. Cityjet (Ireland) and Brussels Airlines (Belgium) sent their SSJ100s back. Very uneconomical and the inability to provide spare parts were at the source. VLM simply cancelled its order for 10. In Mexico they were taken off-line and basically they are only being used by Russian companies simply because they have to. The reliability of the Embraer 175 is much higher and the load-factor times 3.

Plus the high-impact accidents ... They will solely be used inside Russia, not making a profit and ordinary Russians will have to pay for them without flying them.

Have fun for now, it won't be long. By the way, I have a completely different Boss ;)

I'm going on an interesting voyage in 2.5 weeks from now. No hard feelings but I will noy miss you ...

Enjoy the day.

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Hello Alexander,

[..]

Now it is time for Joe Biden to bring Zelensky and Putin together.
They will be sure to make peace with each other, both winning the
Nobel Peace Prize.

"Blessed are the Peacemakers, for they will be called children of
God." ~Matthew 5:9

For this the West should take a plunger piston to clean its eyes which don't see in the Ukraine two fighting nations and a nationalistic conflict. The idea that the war is caused only by the Putin's desire to capture Ukraine is wrong.

The Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to three people/groups this year.
Neither Trump nor Putin was mentioned.

For Life,
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Hello Alexander,

UN Resolution 478 [passed] called Israel's action regarding
Jerusalem (Knesset claim of Jerusalem being capital of Israel)
as being "null and void."

The same applies to all other countries making such an audacious
claim. So what does it matter? Trump and Putin can claim
whatever they want. But that does not make it so.
Israeli army has tanks. Palestinian kids have rocks.
Guess which side always wins such contests?
Of course, things could change if NATO starts arming those
Palestinian kids will heavier stuff ...

A famous phrase "He is a son of bitch, but he is our son bitch" is still very actual. ;-)

The status of Jerusalem remains the same - special status placed
under international sovereignty control. Despite Putin and Trump
recognizing Jerusalem as the Jewish-only capital of Israel.
Imagine that. The only two countries in the world doing such a
thing. No wonder the UN doesn't pay any attention to them.

For Life,
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Hi, Lee Lofaso!
I read your message from 11.10.2022 23:40

LL>>> Now it is time for Joe Biden to bring Zelensky and
LL>>> Putin together. They will be sure to make peace with
LL>>> each other, both winning the Nobel Peace Prize.
LL>>> "Blessed are the Peacemakers, for they will be called
LL>>> children of God." ~Matthew 5:9
ak>> For this the West should take a plunger piston to clean its
ak>> eyes which don't see in the Ukraine two fighting nations
ak>> and a nationalistic conflict. The idea that the war is
ak>> caused only by the Putin's desire to capture Ukraine is
ak>> wrong.
LL> The Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to three people/groups this
LL> year. Neither Trump nor Putin was mentioned.

We can make a record table of Nobel price politicians according to
kilotons of TNT blown during their rule. ;-) Obama will be probably
first. :)

And in general, unlawful Americans military actions around the world
have little difference with what Putin is doing now. Just for some
reason people in the West treat Ukrainians as less inferior people than Iraqis, Afghans, Libyans, Panamanians. Probable white racism. ;=)

Bye, Lee!
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Hi, Lee Lofaso!
I read your message from 11.10.2022 23:40

LL>>> The same applies to all other countries making such an
LL>>> audacious claim. So what does it matter? Trump and
LL>>> Putin can claim whatever they want. But that does not
LL>>> make it so. Israeli army has tanks. Palestinian kids
LL>>> have rocks. Guess which side always wins such contests?
LL>>> Of course, things could change if NATO starts arming
LL>>> those Palestinian kids will heavier stuff ...
ak>> A famous phrase "He is a son of bitch, but he is our son
ak>> bitch" is still very actual. ;-)
LL> The status of Jerusalem remains the same - special status placed
LL> under international sovereignty control. Despite Putin and Trump
LL> recognizing Jerusalem as the Jewish-only capital of Israel.
LL> Imagine that. The only two countries in the world doing such a
LL> ??thing. No wonder the UN doesn't pay any attention to them.

Does Putin recognized it? Never heard of it.

Bye, Lee!
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We can make a record table of Nobel price politicians according to
kilotons of TNT blown during their rule. ;-) Obama will be probably
first. :)

Making Obama the recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize at that moment in his presidency was a mistake. We'll never know what got in the Norwegians head when they decided that.

And in general, unlawful Americans military actions around the world
have little difference with what Putin is doing now. Just for some
reason people in the West treat Ukrainians as less inferior people than Iraqis, Afghans, Libyans, Panamanians. Probable white racism. ;=)

You need to travel a bit more to the west and experience first hand how it is going with all those refugees, not just what your single state controled medium is feeding you.

Besides, when are you leaving to the front?

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First
of all Ukraine has been loosing not territories, but its Russian people, due to the fucking nationalistic policy for last 8 years.

In a free world with a free uncontrolled press, as we have it here, with free access to whatever newssource, you really think that only Russia would be aware if it were really the case? We know everything there is to know about the love-life of the three-legged Patagonian rabit living in burrows but nothing about Ukraine?

But one of the most controled societies with no free press, no free universal elections, no freedom of speech, no civil liberties with only the People's Republic of China and North Korea being worse, would be universally better informed?

Oh dear ...

You do realize there's very little difference between the pope in Rome with his dogmatic leadership and Putin? "Things are the way they are because I say so" ... no proof, no scientific support needed ...

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���ண� �६�窠, alexander koryagin.
�� ��ᠫ� 12.10.22 9:37:

First of all the West should gather some still unrotted brains and realize the reason why
Ukraine actions are unacceptable for Russia. They should understand that a capture of
territories is not the reason. First of all Ukraine has been loosing not territories, but its
Russian people, due to the fucking nationalistic policy for last 8 years. Also the West must
realize that Russian could not close its eyes on what was happening with Russian people in
Ukraine after 2014.

Yes, we understand everything.. And Ward cares about Africa much more. Hungry refugees will come to his house. And to prevent this from happening, for some reason, it is Russia that must feed Africa. What is happening in Ukraine - Ward does not care...

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���ண� �६�窠, Ward Dossche.
�� ��ᠫ� 12.10.22 9:38:

In a free world with a free uncontrolled press, as we have it here, with free access to
whatever newssource, you really think that only Russia would be aware if it were really the
case? We know everything there is to know about the love-life of the three-legged Patagonian
rabit living in burrows but nothing about Ukraine? But one of the most controled societies
with no free press, no free universal elections, no freedom of speech, no civil liberties with
only the People's Republic of China and North Korea being worse, would be universally better
informed?

Well, perhaps that's�what you believe.
The fact that the "free press" in Russia should only be engaged in propagandizing the change of power, objectionable to the West, rocking the boat in this direction, and then whining to the whole "free" world that it was misunderstood in Russia. We know, we have already swum. We see perfectly well how all these "liberation" technologies of yours work all over the world, including in Ukraine.
Are there no free elections in Russia? Did Western observers tell you this at our elections? Why do they write something completely different? Oh, yes, I forgot, "free press" is the freedom to lie. And how convenient.
What civil liberties do we not have, but do you have? The freedom to live in a cardboard box? Freedom not to work? Freedom to die because there is no health insurance?

You do realize there's very little difference between the pope in Rome with his dogmatic
leadership and Putin? "Things are the way they are because I say so" ... no proof, no
scientific support needed ...

No one forbids - the borders are open, with Western propaganda - to the west.

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���ண� �६�窠, Ward Dossche.
�� ��ᠫ� 12.10.22 9:32:

Besides, when are you leaving to the front?

Why do you care so much about us at the front? I'm here now, we beat the fascist bastard. Do you want to join on the side of Ukraine? Go ahead! One Ward more, one less... You'll be the first to surrender. If you survive, maybe your brains will fall into place.


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���ண� �६�窠, Ward Dossche.
�� ��ᠫ� 12.10.22 9:32:

And in general, unlawful Americans military actions around the world have little difference
with what Putin is doing now. Just for some reason people in the West treat Ukrainians as
less inferior people than Iraqis, Afghans, Libyans, Panamanians. Probable white racism. ;=)

You need to travel a bit more to the west and experience first hand how it is going with all
those refugees, not just what your single state controled medium is feeding you.

I have enough experience of living in the West, in different countries of the Europe and USA. And there is something to compare in Africa and Asia. So with propaganda, you're past.

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���ண� �६�窠, Lee Lofaso.
�� ��ᠫ� 11.10.22 22:40:

A famous phrase "He is a son of bitch, but he is our son bitch" is still very actual. ;-)

The status of Jerusalem remains the same - special status placed under international
sovereignty control. Despite Putin and Trump recognizing Jerusalem as the Jewish-only capital
of Israel. Imagine that. The only two countries in the world doing such a thing. No wonder the
UN doesn't pay any attention to them.

Formally, yes, in reality, Jews continue to evict Palestinians, demolish their houses and build new ones on the same place, but for Jews. Only the Old City remains untouched (and of course a few kilometers around) - everything has been divided there for a long time and no seizures and wars really do not happen. The outskirts continue to displace the Palestinians. Which Jerusalem exactly does the UN have in mind? ;)

If anything, I can go to Jerusalem to live at any time ;) and it is within the limits of the Old City. Some time ago I was living in two countries. But I consider it my duty now to be together with Russia.


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Hi, Ward Dossche!
I read your message from 12.10.2022 10:32

WD> Besides, when are you leaving to the front?

Who knows -- the two has entered in the taste and up the ante. Probably
many millions of people will be affected before one of the chess players
dies. And note, both sides claim and cry that their aims are holy,
highly moral and just. ;=)

Bye, Ward!
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Hi, Ward Dossche!
I read your message from 12.10.2022 10:38

ak>> First of all Ukraine has been loosing not territories, but its
ak>> Russian people, due to the fucking nationalistic policy for last 8
ak>> years.

WD> In a free world with a free uncontrolled press, as we have it here,
WD> with free access to whatever newssource, you really think that only
WD> Russia would be aware if it were really the case? We know
WD> everything there is to know about the love-life of the three-legged
WD> Patagonian rabit living in burrows but nothing about Ukraine?

WD> But one of the most controled societies with no free press, no free
WD> universal elections, no freedom of speech, no civil liberties with
WD> only the People's Republic of China and North Korea being worse,
WD> would be universally better informed?

WD> Oh dear...

Again you are wrong -- if people in Russia want to read western media
they can do it -- we still have WWW without any (Great fire)walls as in
China or the North Korea. Yes, some Internet resources are blocked, but
it is only a formal blocking.

I mean that people have all the information about the events in Ukraine
to make a choice. But it is just impossible to tell them in honest that
"a good and fluffy Ukrainian troops have been shelling Donbass for 8
years to make it happy". Such an idiot idea can be born only in the
brains of those who never saw reports of Donbass bloody siege and
destruction. You of course will say that it is a propaganda lie -- but
there is no reason for Russia to lie about it. Millions of Ukrainians
who have fled from Donbass to Russia for last 8 years, are good witnesses.

https://www.interfax.ru/russia/843025
Use the Google translator if you are allowed to read Russian resources.

Bye, Ward!
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Oleg,

Yes, we understand everything.. And Ward cares about Africa much more. Hungry refugees will come to his house. And to prevent this from
happening, for some reason, it is Russia that must feed Africa. What is happening in Ukraine - Ward does not care...

Russia feeding Africa? Whatever you've been smoking, potent stuff.

Talk to the UNHCR.

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But I consider it my duty now to be together with Russia.

Put your money where your mouth is and die for Russia ...

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Well, perhaps that'swhat you believe.

"Believing" is done in a church (or a similar building).

The fact that the "free press" in Russia ...

There is no free press in Russia. It has been effectively shut down.

Are there no free elections in Russia? Did Western observers tell you
this at our elections? Why do they write something completely different?

Correct. There are no free elections in Russia. Anybody, anyone running for high office will hit a brick wall making it impossible to run for such office ... arrests. imprisonment, people's initiatives shut down by some law if can and by force if must.

The number of normal healthy people in positions of some power whom fell off balconies, steps, into the water ... killing themselves in the process ... nobody in their right minds accepts this "just happened by accident".

Russia at the moment is a power-corrupted rogue-nation at war with its own citizens and nobody can really say who or what's pulling strings...

Oh, yes, I forgot, "free press" is the freedom to lie.

If you consider Dossche's 17th law on the internet "Lying is an ultimate form of free speech" then you're getting closer to agree with me on something.

What civil liberties do we not have, but do you have?

* A multi-party political system which requires consensus for the benefit of
the people, not the benefit of the state

* The possibility to oppose our government without being jailed

* The possibility to unite

* The possibility to bear arms

* The possibility to wave a rainbow flag

* ... there's more where that came from.

No one forbids - the borders are open, with Western propaganda - to the west.

For that you need a passport ... do Russians carry passports?

Also you cannot be on specific lists because you will not be entitled to leave ...

Let me put it this way ... more Russian males are crossing the borders than the number that has been called up.

Remarkable nobody is fleeing towards Russia ...

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Hello Alexander,

[..]

The Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to three people/groups this
year. Neither Trump nor Putin was mentioned.

We can make a record table of Nobel price politicians according to kilotons of TNT blown during their rule. ;-) Obama will be probably
first. :)

I think we all know who invented TNT. :)

And in general, unlawful Americans military actions around the world
have little difference with what Putin is doing now.

Howard Zinn wrote a book on it. An entire history of US actions.
But who is to say other countries have not done the same?

Just for some reason people in the West treat Ukrainians as less inferior people than Iraqis, Afghans, Libyans, Panamanians.

"Is that manly?"
~ Saddam Hussein's last words to his Shiite executioners

"No mas!"
~ Roberto Duran's last words to Sugar Ray Leonard in New Orleans

Probable white racism. ;=)

"These are not my real teeth."
~ Sugar Ray Leonard to Roberto Duran, years later

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Hello Alexander,

[..]

Does Putin recognized it? Never heard of it.

Putin has traveled to Israel at least twice, that I know of.
With a sizeable Jewish population in Russia, that would make
sense, as immigration issues would be of importance to both
countries.

Recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel by Putin
and Trump mean nothing in regards to international recognition.
Or even in regards to national policy. It is just a personal
opinion.

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Hello Oleg,

[..]

Formally, yes, in reality, Jews continue to evict Palestinians, demolish their houses and build new ones on the same place, but for Jews. Only the Old City remains untouched (and of course a few kilometers around) - everything has been divided there for a long time and no seizures and wars really do not happen. The outskirts continue to displace the Palestinians. Which Jerusalem exactly does the UN have in mind? ;)

Israel has disregarded international law for decades. No surprise
there. It acts more like a theocracy than a democracy, and the only
people who have any rights are Jewish. Palestinians are basically
stateless, with no real voice to change their situation.

If anything, I can go to Jerusalem to live at any time ;) and it is within the limits of the Old City. Some time ago I was living in two countries. But I consider it my duty now to be together with Russia.

The Right of Return.

Any Jew around the world enjoys the right to live in Israel and to
obtain Israeli citizenship under Israel's Law of Return.

No other country in the world has such a rule.

The USA does not recognize dual citizenship. Except for those who
are from Vatican City and Israel. Only an act of Congress can grant
dual citizenship to others, such as Arnold Schwarzenegger, who got
his dual citizenship (Austria and USA) by marrying a Kennedy.

Steven Segal managed to get dual citizenship by having Vladimir
Putin wave his magic wand and nobody questioned anything.

And to think Segal did it without an act of Congress.

I love his movies. Fun to work with, when he was filming a series
in New Orleans. Getting a bit too old for that sort of thing today.

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Hello Ward,

Yes yes. The whole world saw how brave Americans escaped from the Taliban
in rags and with rusty machine guns ;)

They ran from then Saigon in the 1980-ies.

The US does not know how to exit wars well. Its exit from Saigon
and Vietnam was an unmitigated disaster. Nobody questions that, or
should. The US military could have held its ground, keeping the
partition of Vietnam in place forever. But the reality is the US
should had left years before, when LBJ had a peace deal in place
for when Nixon took over as POTUS.

They didn't run in Afghanistan.

Although the US exit from Afghanistan was far from perfect, it was
done much better than its exit from Vietnam. No refugees having to
be rescued from the rooftop of the US embassy, no refugees fleeing
on rickety boats to nowhere ...

Most of the American operations had already been contracted out to private companies with limited military presence. Friend of mine was there, the salaries were so high he bought a $320.000 house cash ... with the money in
his pocket ... earned in 3 years. This was like 6yrs ago already.

Those who did not get killed, or captured for ransom, fared pretty
well. Aside from Kabul, there was no real protection from the Taliban
by the US military. And even then, the Taliban were able to conduct
raids inside the city.

Afghanistan troops were incompetent of provading security, that's why the US
left, shouldn't have been there in the first place.

Afghanistan troops were poorly armed, and poorly trained. Even though
the US military was present for twenty years. The Taliban was also
poorly armed, and poorly trained. But they had more enthusiasm to do
what they wanted to do. Which was the difference.

But do not confuse NATO with America. There are several more nuclear capable
countries member of NATO.

How long would it take Germany to arm itself with nukes?
How long would it take Italy to arm itself with nukes?
How long would it take other countries in Europe to do so?
France already has a stockpile. So does the UK.

Britain in 1982 went to war 13.000km away and beat the shit out of Argentina...without nukes. Just conventional.

Russia is nothing more than a giant gas station with nukes.
Its ability to use nukes is its equalizer. Otherwise, its military
might is quite limited - as demonstrated by its inability to bend
Ukraine to its will.

That is what Bjorn was saying, conventionally the Russian army is not a threat anymore.

It remains a threat. But its neighbors are starting to realize that
threat is not nearly as great as its roar.

Just the nukes, and in a nuclear war there are no winners.

Ants and cockroaches win. Everybody else loses.

I think we agree on that ...

As per the contest between ants and cockroaches ...

[..]

I live pretty close to NATO HQ here, if one day my node goes into a high-pitched shriek, people will know what happened.

Oh, my. Radioactive ants and cockroaches. Who'd a thunk it?

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Hello Ward,

[..]

I'm going on an interesting voyage in 2.5 weeks from now. No hard feelings but I will noy miss you ...

Space X.
First Belgian in space, following in Dave Bowman's footsteps.

Enjoy the day.

"Will I dream?"
~ HAL 9000

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Hello Ward,

We can make a record table of Nobel price politicians according to
kilotons of TNT blown during their rule. ;-) Obama will be probably
first. :)

Making Obama the recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize at that moment in his presidency was a mistake. We'll never know what got in the Norwegians head when they decided that.

Making Begin and Sadat recipients of the Nobel Peace Prize without
naming Carter was a mistake. We'll never know what got into the
Norwegians head when they decided that. But at least they made up
for it later, granting him the Nobel Peace Prize for something
else (that nobody can remember).

And to think they did it again, with Rabin and Arafat, leaving out
Clinton. Oh, my. What were those Norwegians thinking???

But hey. At least they got it right with Obama. Naming him the winner
of the Nobel Peace Prize before he did anything of merit.

And in general, unlawful Americans military actions around the world
have little difference with what Putin is doing now. Just for some
reason people in the West treat Ukrainians as less inferior people than
Iraqis, Afghans, Libyans, Panamanians. Probable white racism. ;=)

You need to travel a bit more to the west and experience first hand how it is going with all those refugees, not just what your single state controled
medium is feeding you.

Yes. Come to Louisiana. Leave different. Rougarou festival later this
month. Cajuns from all over dress as monsters. Some of them are real.

Besides, when are you leaving to the front?

There's a monster under my bed ...

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Hello Ward,

But I consider it my duty now to be together with Russia.

Put your money where your mouth is and die for Russia ...

Hitler fled to South America rather than die for Germany ...

No ?

He left his girlfriend, and his dog, behind.

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Hi, Alan Ianson!
I read your message from 12.10.2022 16:08

ak>> Such an idiot idea can be born only in the brains of those who
ak>> never saw reports of Donbass bloody siege and destruction.

AI> It was not a seige of Donbass. Russia has been in the Donbass for 8
AI> years attacking Ukraine. I'm sure you understand that.

I am sure you know it was not Russian troops. We can see the same kind
of foreign people in Ukraine fighting on Zelensky side, and nobody says
that NATO participated in the conflict directly.
Russian troops entered Ukraine in February 2022.

ak>> You of course will say that it is a propaganda lie
AI> So it is.
ak>> -- but there is no reason for Russia to lie about it.
AI> Russia is a good liar. How can they be trusted now?

Who has never lied - let him first cast a stone at me. ;-)

ak>> Millions of Ukrainians who have fled from Donbass to Russia for
ak>> last 8 years, are good witnesses.

AI> Millions of Ukrainians (some 6.6 million) have fled the war, not
AI> Ukraine.

Only note, they fled to Russia not to Ukraine.

Bye, Alan!
Alexander Koryagin
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���ண� �६�窠, Lee Lofaso.
�� ��ᠫ� 12.10.22 23:59:

Formally, yes, in reality, Jews continue to evict Palestinians, demolish their houses and
build new ones on the same place, but for Jews. Only the Old City remains untouched (and of
course a few kilometers around) - everything has been divided there for a long time and no
seizures and wars really do not happen. The outskirts continue to displace the Palestinians.
Which Jerusalem exactly does the UN have in mind? ;)

Israel has disregarded international law for decades. No surprise there. It acts more like a
theocracy than a democracy, and the only people who have any rights are Jewish. Palestinians
are basically stateless, with no real voice to change their situation.

But the UN has been condemning it since 1948, so how come? Where are the sanctions against Israel? Are they - in the fact that the U.S. supports dual citizenship specifically with Israel? Or in the fact that 160 countries are available to Israelis for visa-free entry? ;)

If anything, I can go to Jerusalem to live at any time ;) and it is within the limits of the
Old City. Some time ago I was living in two countries. But I consider it my duty now to be
together with Russia.

The Right of Return. Any Jew around the world enjoys the right to live in Israel and to obtain
Israeli citizenship under Israel's Law of Return. No other country in the world has such a
rule.

Well, why not? Russia accepts anyone, along with the territory ;)

The USA does not recognize dual citizenship. Except for those who are from Vatican City and
Israel. Only an act of Congress can grant dual citizenship to others, such as Arnold
Schwarzenegger, who got his dual citizenship (Austria and USA) by marrying a Kennedy.

Don't give a damn about the United States from a high bell tower.

Steven Segal managed to get dual citizenship by having Vladimir Putin wave his magic wand and
nobody questioned anything.

In principle, anyone can obtain Russian citizenship. Russians - in a simplified procedure.
Moreover, new citizens can obtain land in Russia absolutely free of charge.


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���ண� �६�窠, Alan Ianson.
�� ��ᠫ� 12.10.22 6:08:

Such an idiot idea can be born only in the brains of those who never saw reports of Donbass
bloody siege and destruction.

It was not a seige of Donbass. Russia has been in the Donbass for 8 years attacking Ukraine.
I'm sure you understand that.

In 2014, in the words of Obama, "Russia was the gas station of Europe". We were not even supplying gasoline or diesel fuel, but raw materials for production (crude oil) and gas for the EU's electricity and heat generation facilities. EU was 36% dependent on them, and we were 51% dependent on revenues from these exports. In this situation it was unclear, who was on the hook for whom?

There was a mutual interest of both Europe and Russia, and only the US had no interest here. More precisely, their interest was to ruin all the fun for Russia and the EU. The calculation is simple - Russia was and remains an existential foe of the US, and the EU is a competitor, for whose market in the 21st century and the war broke out under the conventional name "Abduction of Europe". Is it symbolic that a monument of the same name has been standing on the square near the Kievsky railway station in Moscow for 15 years ;) At that time US had a negative trade balance with the EU, and Obama's very reasonable idea, which was later brilliantly implemented by Trump, was to raise the cost of raw materials for the EU, which would instantly affect the cost of its products, after which the products automatically become uncompetitive in the domestic American market, and if you replace cheap Russian "undemocratic" pipe gas with expensive American "democratic" LPG, then the US will have a double benefit.

At the time of 2014, there was no NorthStream-2 at all. The capacities of the then available NS-1 (55 bcm/y), the Ukrainian GTS (142 bcm/y) and the Yamal-EU pipeline (33 bcm/y) were quite sufficient to fulfill all Gazprom's obligations to its European consumers. With only one correction - Poland and Ukraine impeded in every possible way the modernization of their GTS (Poland under the influence of American friends, and Ukraine, then with Yanukovych, bargaining with Russia, who would carry out this modernization and at whose expense). As a result, there were ideas of bypassing routes - South Stream and NS-2. But South Stream was buried through the efforts of Bulgaria that is under the US gun barrel. We are lucky that Erdogan popped up in time then and instead of the South Stream there appeared Turkish Stream with capacity of 32bcma, a half of which goes to Turkey, the other half to Southern Europe (Bulgaria is biting its lips, but it's too late). What was Putin to do when Ukraine suffered a coup d'tat in 2014? Fifty-one percent of the Russian budget was at stake!

There was one small chance to keep Ukraine in the sphere of his influence by supporting Yanukovich, but Putin did not use it then, limiting himself to Crimea. To what extent this was justified was shown by subsequent events. There is an opinion that this was the Kremlin's fatal mistake. Indirectly, he acknowledged it by not repeating it in August 2020, when a similar threat emerged in Belarus. Then Putin supported Lukashenko, even in spite of his controversial actions the day before (with the detention of Wagner fighters), concentrating his power fist on the borders of Belarus. This was quite enough for Bat'ka to retain power in the country. The Belarusian security forces did not falter and did not betray their "mustachioed tyrant". The law enforcement agencies of Ukraine in 2014 were also ready to resist to the end; the only problem was that Yanukovych was not Lukashenko at all. He ran away, the scoundrel! It would have been possible to use him as a president-in-exile, but Putin did not take the risk. Because gas transit to the EU was at stake. And one can understand Putin.

Hypothetically, Putin would have used the permission of the Russian Council of Federation to use troops beyond Russian borders and the request of fugitive President Yanukovych for help in restoring the constitutional order violated by the conspirators, and would have introduced troops into Ukraine. Even with the overwhelming support of the local population (except in the western regions everyone would have welcomed the Russian "tired battalion" with flowers) and minimal opposition from the "rebel" opposition (which would most likely have dispersed even before the Russian tanks arrived), what would be the reaction to all this in the West? By no stretch of the imagination, Putin would have been accused of suppressing democracy, of armed invasion, and of imposing sanctions on the transit of Russian gas and oil to Europe. And even Putin's last sympathizers in the EU could do nothing about it in the face of the obvious fact of "crushed Ukrainian democracy". They would have doomed themselves by closing the valve on the "aggressor's" pipe to Europe, even realizing that after that it would be a "pipe job" for them. As a result, Obama could write his name in the annals of American history - no one has ever managed to put both of America's enemies in such a beautiful, bloodless way for the US with a single blow! But Putin didn't give him that satisfaction - he avenged his revenge for Ukraine in Syria, after which the life of the overly tanned leader of the American pale-faced Comanches lost all colors, and he moved on to his favorite pastime of all American presidents - writing his memoirs under the title "Me and the Genius of Putin's Villainy".

For all the hard feelings of the Russian and pro-Russian oriented Ukrainians toward Putin, Putin did not have much choice in the events of 8 years ago. He acted according to circumstances, wagering and minimizing the risks for Russia as number two. As regrettable as it is for me to admit, our sworn "friends and partners" acted as number one. There was a small chance to keep Ukraine in the orbit of Russian influence right at the time of the coup (December 2013-January 2014), but the Kremlin was indecisive, watching from a distance how everything would end, and Yanukovich was cowardly and politically shortsighted, giving in to the entreaties of Western observers and making a deal with the conspirators. You know how it ended for him. How it ended for Russia, too. The Kremlin and Putin in particular have drawn the appropriate conclusions. The main conclusion is as follows: you must not trust the West under any circumstances; they will deceive you, smile, deceive you once more, and then say that you simply misunderstand them.

This is just a retrospective analysis of 2014. Our descendants will probably write about this year.
And one more thing - everything the West calls the Russian special forces in Donbass belongs to the "pen" of the only _former_ strongman Girkin, known by the nickname Strelkov. Who, for personal reasons, disobeyed a direct order to leave Donbass. Russia did have a presence in the Donbass afterwards - but only in the form of humanitarian convoys. Look back, how often did the West pray for Putin? The almighty Putin, Figaro here, Figaro there - changing governments in the West, rigging free elections, all (almost absolutely) of the West's own misfortunes were assigned to Putin in advance. Convenient as hell! Well, since you yourself have elevated Putin to the rank of all-powerful... The weather in the West is also regulated by Putin, no doubt about it - General Heat has shot off, now wait for General Frost. And General Armageddon, who has been on duty for a couple of days, as well ;)


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First Belgian in space, following in Dave Bowman's footsteps.

Frank De Winne was the commander of the ISS plus I worked for Dirk Frimout who was a Space Shuttle astronaut aboard Atlantis..

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In 2014, in the words of Obama, "Russia was the gas station of Europe".
We were not even supplying gasoline or diesel fuel, but raw materials for production (crude oil) and gas for the EU's electricity and heat
generation facilities. EU was 36% dependent on them, and we were 51% dependent on revenues from these exports. In this situation it was
unclear, who was on the hook for whom?

Etc etc etc etc .....

Nice cut and paste from somewhere else ...

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���ண� �६�窠, Ward Dossche.
�� ��ᠫ� 13.10.22 12:09:

In 2014, in the words of Obama, "Russia was the gas station of Europe". We were not even
supplying gasoline or diesel fuel, but raw materials for production (crude oil) and gas for
the EU's electricity and heat generation facilities. EU was 36% dependent on them, and we
were 51% dependent on revenues from these exports. In this situation it was unclear, who was
on the hook for whom?

Etc etc etc etc ..... Nice cut and paste from somewhere else ...

Translated for non-Russian speakers.
And you basically don't care. As long as you're not touched. And we don't really care about you ;)

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���ண� �६�窠, Ward Dossche.
�� ��ᠫ� 13.10.22 12:09:

In 2014, in the words of Obama, "Russia was the gas station of Europe". We were not even
supplying gasoline or diesel fuel, but raw materials for production (crude oil) and gas for
the EU's electricity and heat generation facilities. EU was 36% dependent on them, and we
were 51% dependent on revenues from these exports. In this situation it was unclear, who was
on the hook for whom?

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���ண� �६�窠, Ward Dossche.
�� ��ᠫ� 13.10.22 12:09:

In 2014, in the words of Obama, "Russia was the gas station of Europe". We were not even
supplying gasoline or diesel fuel, but raw materials for production (crude oil) and gas for
the EU's electricity and heat generation facilities. EU was 36% dependent on them, and we
were 51% dependent on revenues from these exports. In this situation it was unclear, who was
on the hook for whom?

Etc etc etc etc ..... Nice cut and paste from somewhere else ...

Russians say about such people "I did not master it." So you haven't read it. Didn't study it. But you condemn. That's all of you.

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Hello Oleg,

[..]

You understand that NATO and no one else will do this almost never. So why the fuck would NATO want to do this with Ukraine? Yes, because it is convenient to fight with someone else's hands and pour someone else's blood. And Putin will definitely fuck around Britain and the USA, if anything. It's about time.

The original reason for the creation of NATO was defensive - for the containment of Germany. Ditto for the creation of the Warsaw Pact.
No country wanted a return of Nazi Germany, and steps were taken to
prevent that from happening.

However, times have changed. There is no more Warsaw Pact, and NATO
has no Nazi Germany to worry about. So what is the purpose of NATO?
Is it's purpose still defensive, as it claims? Or has it become
something else entirely?

Those are questions that should be asked. But nobody seems willing
to do so. Not honestly.

We all know what Napoleon Bonaparte did.
We all know what Adolf Hitler did.
Only frigid weather stopped France and Germany
from achieving their goals of conquest.

Why should anybody believe NATO's claim of being for defensive
purposes only? If an organization is going to arm a player, isn't
the organization itself also a player?

Finland and Sweden have both formally applied for membership in NATO.
What happens if either are attacked before membership is granted?
There will be war, with allies coming to their aid and assistance.

So does it really matter if Ukraine is, or is not, a member of NATO?

Who is Russia really at war with?

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Hello Oleg,

I described the situation theoretically, to compare Russians in

Ukraine and Jews in Palestine

if they appeared in a similar situation. Both living next to their

protectors.

The Arabs and the Jews have been fighting each other since time

immemorial. Ukrainians and

Russians not so much. Jimmy Carter brought Menachim Begin and Anwas

Sadat together. They even

made peace with each other, both winning the Nobel Peace Prize.

A world divided by a 10-meter wall is so-so peaceful. All these Nobel prizes
are disconnected from reality.

Would the world be a better place without the United Nations?
The world thought it had the answer to putting an end to war with
the creation of the League of Nations. We all know how that worked
out. And now the world thinks it has the answer to war with its
creation of the United Nations. And yet war continues, unabated,
in various parts of the world. So what is the answer? What is
the answer for World Peace? Can it be attained? Is it even
possible?

Like HAL 9000. we can dream.

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Hello Oleg,

[..]

In accordance with international law, the status of erusalem is that

of a city which is

illegally occupied by Israel in violaion of the inalienable right of

soverignty of the people

of Palestine.

Okay, where are the 8 packages of sanctions from the United States and the European Union against Israel???

Mail service has been a bit slow these days ...

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Hello Alexander,

Did Putin recognize it? Never heard of it.

Putin has traveled to Israel at least twice, that I know of.
With a sizeable Jewish population in Russia, that would make
sense, as immigration issues would be of importance to both
countries.

Travelling is not recognition in such issues.

It is more than just about immigration, but also the pursuit
of peace in the region. There have been four wars since the end
of WWII, and no peace has yet been found. Despite efforts by
the US, Europe, Russia, and others to bring all sides together.

Imagine the benefits to Russia, the USA, Europe, and to all the
countries of the Middle East if real peace could be found.

A win-win situation for all. Including the Palestinians.

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Hello Oleg,

[..]

Which Jerusalem exactly does the UN have in mind? ;)

Israel has disregarded international law for decades. No surprise there.

It acts more like a

theocracy than a democracy, and the only people who have any rights are

Jewish. Palestinians

are basically stateless, with no real voice to change their situation.

But the UN has been condemning it since 1948, so how come?

Under the 1947 UN Partition Plan, which both the US and Russia
voted in favor, was meant to divide historical Palestine between
Jewish and Arab States, with Jerusalem being granted special
status and placed under international sovereignty and control.

Both Palestinian Jews and Palestinian Arabs rejected the deal.

Despite worldwide condemnation, Israel continues to act as an
apartheid state rather than a respectable member of the international community. Especially in regards to the city of Jerusalem, which is
illegally occupied by Israel in violation of the inalienable right
of sovereigny of the people of Palestine.

Where are the sanctions against Israel?

The General Assembly of the United Nations has been condemning
their actions for decades. But the Security Council keeps vetoing
what the international community wants.

Are they - in the fact that the U.S. supports dual citizenship specifically
with Israel?

And Vatican City. Let's not forget about all those holy priests
and nuns who celebrate by being celibate.

Or in the fact that 160 countries are available to Israelis for visa-free entry? ;)

Apparently there is no need for any Jew to have a visa.

If anything, I can go to Jerusalem to live at any time ;) and it is

within the limits of the

Old City. Some time ago I was living in two countries. But I consider it

my duty now to be

together with Russia.

The Right of Return. Any Jew around the world enjoys the right to live in

Israel and to obtain

Israeli citizenship under Israel's Law of Return. No other country in the

world has such a

rule.

Well, why not? Russia accepts anyone, along with the territory ;)

My grandmother was from Kaliningrad. Does that mean I have a Right
to Return, and get free land?

The USA does not recognize dual citizenship. Except for those who are

from Vatican City and

Israel. Only an act of Congress can grant dual citizenship to others,

such as Arnold

Schwarzenegger, who got his dual citizenship (Austria and USA) by

marrying a Kennedy.

Don't give a damn about the United States from a high bell tower.

Everybody gives a damn about the Kennedys.
Especially the Dead Kennedys.

Steven Segal managed to get dual citizenship by having Vladimir Putin

wave his magic wand and

nobody questioned anything.

In principle, anyone can obtain Russian citizenship. Russians - in a simplified procedure. Moreover, new citizens can obtain land in Russia absolutely free of charge.

Siberia is warming up, with Chinese making it their new home ...

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Hello Ward,

First Belgian in space, following in Dave Bowman's footsteps.

Frank De Winne was the commander of the ISS plus I worked for Dirk Frimout who was a Space Shuttle astronaut aboard Atlantis..

Ward Dossche. Commander of Artemis' maiden voyage ...

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���ண� �६�窠, Lee Lofaso.
�� ��ᠫ� 13.10.22 21:57:

Both Palestinian Jews and Palestinian Arabs rejected the deal.

Because it was necessary to ask the Palestinians in advance.
The people lived, lived - and then some strange UN appears after them with heavily armed Jews and reports that now the Palestinians are walking through the desert, and Jews will live here. We all decided in a boyish way, here you, here they, ran quickly to the corners and do not interfere with the work of very busy people.

Despite worldwide condemnation, Israel continues to act as an apartheid state rather than a
respectable member of the international community. Especially in regards to the city of
Jerusalem, which is illegally occupied by Israel in violation of the inalienable right of
sovereigny of the people of Palestine.

Well, he swallowed the whole world. Swallow Ukraine too.

Where are the sanctions against Israel?

The General Assembly of the United Nations has been condemning their actions for decades. But
the Security Council keeps vetoing what the international community wants.

Double standards. Spit on the UN - where are the sanctions of the civilized West?

Are they - in the fact that the U.S. supports dual citizenship specifically with Israel?

And Vatican City. Let's not forget about all those holy priests and nuns who celebrate by
being celibate.

The stoned Vatican wasn't enough yet.

Or in the fact that 160 countries are available to Israelis for visa-free entry? ;)

Apparently there is no need for any Jew to have a visa.

Comfortable. And Russian tank - visa;)

My grandmother was from Kaliningrad. Does that mean I have a Right to Return, and get free
land?

On general grounds, yes. Just like Segal.

Don't give a damn about the United States from a high bell tower.

Everybody gives a damn about the Kennedys. Especially the Dead Kennedys.

Similarly, from the same bell tower.

In principle, anyone can obtain Russian citizenship. Russians - in a simplified procedure.
Moreover, new citizens can obtain land in Russia absolutely free of charge.

Siberia is warming up, with Chinese making it their new home ...

Dreams are dreams...

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���ண� �६�窠, Lee Lofaso.
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Okay, where are the 8 packages of sanctions from the United States and the European Union
against Israel???

Mail service has been a bit slow these days ...

Did it reach Russia faster by telegraph via swift, do you think? The bell tower is here...

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���ண� �६�窠, Lee Lofaso.
�� ��ᠫ� 13.10.22 21:56:

A world divided by a 10-meter wall is so-so peaceful. All these Nobel prizes are disconnected
from reality.

Would the world be a better place without the United Nations? The world thought it had the
answer to putting an end to war with the creation of the League of Nations. We all know how
that worked out. And now the world thinks it has the answer to war with its creation of the
United Nations. And yet war continues, unabated, in various parts of the world. So what is the
answer? What is the answer for World Peace? Can it be attained? Is it even possible?

The UN did not prevent the civilized West from bombing Yugoslavia, staging a series of power coups and testing biological weapons over the whole world.
NATO did not prevent NATO from spreading to the very borders of Russia, arranging biological and nuclear warehouses under the balcony of Russia, smiling in the eyes, holding a deceptive gesture behind his back and poking a stick with a nail in the back of the Russians.
The West has raised a cocaine monkey with a grenade and is now surprised at the prospect of dying in a nuclear fire? The monkey has been throwing radioactive gifts in the direction of Donbass for a week, what kind of reaction are you waiting for a sleeping bear?

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���ண� �६�窠, Lee Lofaso.
�� ��ᠫ� 13.10.22 21:56:

The original reason for the creation of NATO was defensive - for the containment of Germany.
Ditto for the creation of the Warsaw Pact. No country wanted a return of Nazi Germany, and
steps were taken to prevent that from happening.

Yeah, and instead of Germany, the West chose Ukraine to grow this monster. Comfortable.

However, times have changed. There is no more Warsaw Pact, and NATO has no Nazi Germany to
worry about. So what is the purpose of NATO? Is it's purpose still defensive, as it claims? Or
has it become something else entirely?

If, in its rhetoric, NATO did not deal with constant threats towards Russia.. But Nato needs an enemy.

We all know what Napoleon Bonaparte did. We all know what Adolf Hitler did. Only frigid
weather stopped France and Germany from achieving their goals of conquest.

Russia has learned to negotiate with the weather ;)

Why should anybody believe NATO's claim of being for defensive purposes only? If an
organization is going to arm a player, isn't the organization itself also a player? Finland
and Sweden have both formally applied for membership in NATO. What happens if either are
attacked before membership is granted? There will be war, with allies coming to their aid and
assistance. So does it really matter if Ukraine is, or is not, a member of NATO?

Why did the US not like having Russian missiles in Cuba? Just defense, what's so special about that? Khrushchev should have put the squeeze on it in 1962 after all. At the same time, we would have seen how it ended. It's hard to feel like a victim, isn't it?

Who is Russia really at war with?

With the West, isn't it obvious? Soviet weapons have already been destroyed, Ukrainian speech from the trenches is heard less and less.

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Hi, Lee Lofaso!
I read your message from 13.10.2022 22:56

ak>>>> Did Putin recognize it? Never heard of it.
LL>>> Putin has traveled to Israel at least twice, that I
LL>>> know of. With a sizeable Jewish population in Russia,
LL>>> that would make sense, as immigration issues would be
LL>>> of importance to both countries.
ak>> Travelling is not recognition in such issues.
LL> It is more than just about immigration, but also the pursuit
LL> of peace in the region. There have been four wars since the end
LL> of WWII, and no peace has yet been found. Despite efforts by
LL> ??the US, Europe, Russia, and others to bring all sides
LL> together. Imagine the benefits to Russia, the USA, Europe, and
LL> to all the countries of the Middle East if real peace could be
LL> found. A win-win situation for all. Including the Palestinians.

But one thing is clear - they must live separately. The main difference
from the situation with Ukraine - Palestinians really treat Israeli as occupants. In difference from the Donbass situation where local
populations is considered as Russian collaborators. ;-)

A way out:
Probably, IMHO, after the divorce the world should spend a lot of money
to make the Arab Palestine as much prosperous so that they will forget
about their the desire to fight with Israel.

Bye, Lee!
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���ண� �६�窠, Lee Lofaso.
�� ��ᠫ� 13.10.22 21:56:

A win-win situation for all. Including the Palestinians.

The Israelis will not go to this until the last Palestinian. And the Palestinians will not go either - they have physically nowhere to retreat.

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���ண� �६�窠, alexander koryagin.
�� ��ᠫ� 14.10.22 8:51:

A way out: Probably, IMHO, after the divorce the world should spend a lot of money to make
the Arab Palestine as much prosperous so that they will forget about their the desire to
fight with Israel.

To do this, Israel needs to give at least half of the territory with the border parallel to the equator. For all the fertile lands of Palestine have been forcibly seized by Israel.

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Hello, Oleg!

Friday October 14 2022 05:46, you wrote to Lee Lofaso:

Yeah, and instead of Germany, the West chose Ukraine to grow this
monster. Comfortable.

Russia created Ukranian nation. By killing Ukranians in mass.


Best regards,
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Hello, Oleg!

Friday October 14 2022 05:31, you wrote to Lee Lofaso:

The UN did not prevent the civilized West from bombing Yugoslavia,

NATO stopped war in Yugoslavia in 90s, Balkans now is a very peacefull place. Visited Croatia this year, very nice place ;)

staging a series of power coups and testing biological weapons over
the whole world. NATO did not prevent NATO from spreading to the very

Biological weapons? Is it some stupid joke?

the Russians. The West has raised a cocaine monkey with a grenade and

Just silly Putin's propaganda, Zelensky is much better president than Putin.

is now surprised at the prospect of dying in a nuclear fire? The
monkey has been throwing radioactive gifts in the direction of Donbass
for a week, what kind of reaction are you waiting for a sleeping bear?

Stupid Russian soldiers were digging nuclear soil near Chernobil to hide from Ukranian artillery ;)

Best regards,
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Hello, Oleg!

Friday October 14 2022 05:08, you wrote to Lee Lofaso:

Both Palestinian Jews and Palestinian Arabs rejected the deal.

Because it was necessary to ask the Palestinians in advance.

But it was land of Ottoman Empire where Turks were treating local communities with zero respect.
They never asked "palestinians" about anything.

Arabs got their own countries only because Antanta decided so. The price was - Israel.

Or in the fact that 160 countries are available to Israelis for
visa-free entry? ;)

Apparently there is no need for any Jew to have a visa.

Comfortable. And Russian tank - visa;)

Russian tank now - is a coffin, mostly.


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Hello Oleg,

Both Palestinian Jews and Palestinian Arabs rejected the deal.

Because it was necessary to ask the Palestinians in advance.

The Jews knew well in advance, as Jewish fighters had been training
in Britain for six months before the vote took place.

The people lived, lived - and then some strange UN appears after them with heavily armed Jews and reports that now the Palestinians are walking through the desert, and Jews will live here.

The Jewish population wanted all the land for themselves, and took
what they could by force. Not just the land granted to them by the UN,
but also land granted to Palestinian Arabs.

We all decided in a boyish way, here you, here they, ran quickly to the corners and do not interfere with the work of very busy people.

Who came to the rescue of Palestinian Arabs who were attacked
by Jewish Palestinians after the 1947 UN Partition of Palestine?

Despite worldwide condemnation, Israel continues to act as an

apartheid state rather than a

respectable member of the international community. Especially in

regards to the city of

Jerusalem, which is illegally occupied by Israel in violation of the

inalienable right of

sovereigny of the people of Palestine.

Well, he swallowed the whole world. Swallow Ukraine too.

He who has the gold has no right to rule the world.
Especially when that gold has been attained by theft.

Hitler told Chamberlain to give him Czecholslovakia.
Chamberlain was happy to oblige.

Hitler told Stalin to give him Poland.
Stalin told Hitler "Let's split the pot."

We all know who benefits from appeasement.

Where are the sanctions against Israel?

The General Assembly of the United Nations has been condemning their

actions for decades. But

the Security Council keeps vetoing what the international community

wants.

Double standards. Spit on the UN - where are the sanctions of the civilized
West?

Who sez the West is civilized? Who sez any part of the world is
civilized? Certainly not me ...

Are they - in the fact that the U.S. supports dual citizenship

specifically with Israel?

And Vatican City. Let's not forget about all those holy priests and

nuns who celebrate by

being celibate.

The stoned Vatican wasn't enough yet.

Not all pedophiles are stoned. Some are fully sober.

Or in the fact that 160 countries are available to Israelis for

visa-free entry? ;)

Apparently there is no need for any Jew to have a visa.

Comfortable. And Russian tank - visa;)

That's a lot of scrap metal. Took only six days for Jews
to obtain a mountain of it in one of their insane wars.

My grandmother was from Kaliningrad. Does that mean I have a Right to

Return, and get free

land?

On general grounds, yes. Just like Segal.

It was fun serving pizza to him and his film crew on Bourbon Street.

Don't give a damn about the United States from a high bell tower.

Everybody gives a damn about the Kennedys. Especially the Dead

Kennedys.

Similarly, from the same bell tower.

All my Dead Kennedy albums got stolen, never to be seen again.
I know who took them. And she will never be forgiven. :)

In principle, anyone can obtain Russian citizenship. Russians - in a

simplified procedure.

Moreover, new citizens can obtain land in Russia absolutely free of

charge.

Siberia is warming up, with Chinese making it their new home ...

Dreams are dreams...

Don't laugh. The Chinese are coming. The Chinese are coming.
And not all of them are red. :)

For Life,
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Hello Oleg,

Okay, where are the 8 packages of sanctions from the United States

and the European Union

against Israel???

Mail service has been a bit slow these days ...

Did it reach Russia faster by telegraph via swift, do you think? The bell tower is here...

I was thinking more like pony express ...

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Hello Oleg,

A world divided by a 10-meter wall is so-so peaceful. All these

Nobel prizes are disconnected

from reality.

Would the world be a better place without the United Nations? The

world thought it had the

answer to putting an end to war with the creation of the League of

Nations. We all know how

that worked out. And now the world thinks it has the answer to war

with its creation of the

United Nations. And yet war continues, unabated, in various parts of

the world. So what is the

answer? What is the answer for World Peace? Can it be attained? Is it

even possible?

The UN did not prevent the civilized West from bombing Yugoslavia, staging a
series of power coups and testing biological weapons over the whole world.

NATO air power alone was enough to force Serbia to end its ethnic
cleansing program against Kosovans. The covid-19 virus was not a
creation in some biological lab in China, as some have claimed.
And the vaccines are not some kind of population control drugs.

NATO did not prevent NATO from spreading to the very borders of Russia, arranging biological and nuclear warehouses under the balcony of Russia, smiling in the eyes, holding a deceptive gesture behind his back and poking
a stick with a nail in the back of the Russians.

Such delusional thinking is not normal. Milosevic was caught and
brought to court, but got out of it by croaking just in the nick of
time.

The West has raised a cocaine monkey with a grenade and is now surprised at
the prospect of dying in a nuclear fire?

I do believe I would be long gone before the fire ever reached me.

The monkey has been throwing radioactive gifts in the direction of Donbass for a week, what kind of reaction are you waiting for a sleeping bear?

Tricks or treats. Hallowe'en. Brings out all the witches and goblins.

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Hello Oleg,

The original reason for the creation of NATO was defensive - for the

containment of Germany.

Ditto for the creation of the Warsaw Pact. No country wanted a return

of Nazi Germany, and

steps were taken to prevent that from happening.

Yeah, and instead of Germany, the West chose Ukraine to grow this monster. Comfortable.

With Germany safely contained, where does that leave the purpose
of NATO as being? A state of constant war is unsustainable, with no
peace dividend possible.

However, times have changed. There is no more Warsaw Pact, and NATO

has no Nazi Germany to

worry about. So what is the purpose of NATO? Is it's purpose still

defensive, as it claims? Or

has it become something else entirely?

If, in its rhetoric, NATO did not deal with constant threats towards Russia.. But Nato needs an enemy.

FDR and Stalin got along. They were able, along with Winston Churchill,
to work together as allies to defeat Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.
After the war, FDR and Stalin remained friends, and put into place the beginnings to create the United Nations. Europe was in tatters due to
the aftermath of WWII, and only the US and USSR had anything left of
what one would call civilization.

Truman took over upon the death of FDR. But his worldview was much
different. Stalin did not trust him, and for good reason. But Stalin
stuck to the plan to finish the war with Japan, and there was peace.

The Marshall Plan worked for the western part of Europe, and the
Soviet Union had its own plan that worked for the eastern part of
Europe. But in 1947 it came to be that Truman and Stalin began the
Cold War, which lasted until Gorbachev threw in the towel. And
then only because George HW Bush did not do so first.

We all know what happened during the Yeltsen years.

Then came Putin.

We all know what Napoleon Bonaparte did. We all know what Adolf

Hitler did. Only frigid

weather stopped France and Germany from achieving their goals of

conquest.

Russia has learned to negotiate with the weather ;)

The weather has always been Russia's friend.

Why should anybody believe NATO's claim of being for defensive

purposes only? If an

organization is going to arm a player, isn't the organization itself

also a player? Finland

and Sweden have both formally applied for membership in NATO. What

happens if either are

attacked before membership is granted? There will be war, with allies

coming to their aid and

assistance. So does it really matter if Ukraine is, or is not, a

member of NATO?

Why did the US not like having Russian missiles in Cuba?

There were never any nukes in Cuba. Only missiles. Khruschev made
that admission years later, with a grin on his face.

Just defense, what's so special about that?

Nothing at all. After all, there were subs in the area with real
nukes on board. Besides, Khruschev did not trust Castro. Never know
what a Cuban will do when smoking a cigar. Especially when walking
into a silo.

Khrushchev should have put the squeeze on it in 1962 after all.

What for? Better to keep Castro guessing.

At the same time, we would have seen how it ended. It's hard to feel like a
victim, isn't it?

Bobby Kennedy made a deal, removing missiles that didn't work in
Turkey for missiles that didn't work in Cuba. Both JFK and Khruschev
were happy and moved on to other things.

Who is Russia really at war with?

With the West, isn't it obvious?

The Beatles always wanted to leave the West behind ...

Soviet weapons have already been destroyed, Ukrainian speech from the trenches is heard less and less.

When the Soviet Union disintegrated, it left some nukes behind in
Ukraine. Had it not been for the US convincing Ukraine to return them
to Russia, there might not be any more Moscow.

Or any more world.

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Hello Alexander,

Did Putin recognize it? Never heard of it.

Putin has traveled to Israel at least twice, that I
know of. With a sizeable Jewish population in Russia,
that would make sense, as immigration issues would be
of importance to both countries.

Travelling is not recognition in such issues.

It is more than just about immigration, but also the pursuit
of peace in the region. There have been four wars since the end
of WWII, and no peace has yet been found. Despite efforts by
??the US, Europe, Russia, and others to bring all sides
together. Imagine the benefits to Russia, the USA, Europe, and
to all the countries of the Middle East if real peace could be
found. A win-win situation for all. Including the Palestinians.

But one thing is clear - they must live separately.

Why? Arabs and Jews have lived in the same space for centuries.
And haven't ever quit fighting. So why should they be forced to
quit now, or anytime soon?

The main difference from the situation with Ukraine - Palestinians really treat Israeli as occupants.

You do realize Menachim Begin was a terrorist. Just like Yasser
Arafat. In fact, both of them fought on the same side. Against the
British. But that was before the United Nations got into the act,
partitioning the British Mandate into two camps - one for Palestinian
Jews and one for Palestinian Arabs.

In difference from the Donbass situation where local populations is considered as Russian collaborators. ;-)

The Jewish population at the time of the UN Partition of Palestine
was mostly illegal immigrants who got there due to British border
patrol looking the other way. So who was collaborating with who in
those days?

A large segment of the population in Ukraine speaks Russian. But
that does not make them Russian. A large segment of the population
in Ukraine speaks Ukrainian. That in and of itself also does not
make them Ukrainian.

The US has no official language.

Not everybody in the USA speaks English. Some speak Spanish. Some
speak French. Some speak Italian. Or some other language. Yet all
are American, and have no fear of being deported to somewhere else.

So why should those who speak Russian have any fear of being
deported, or not having the same rights as all other Ukrainians?

A way out:
Probably, IMHO, after the divorce the world should spend a lot of money
to make the Arab Palestine as much prosperous so that they will forget about their the desire to fight with Israel.

Maybe the world should give up its goal of imposing a two-state
solution for Israel. Just call it Palestine, for Jews and Arabs alike.
With free and fair elections for all. With UN observers to make sure
everything is on the up and up.

Along with US $$$ to ensure tourists to visit from all over the world.

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Hello Oleg,

A win-win situation for all. Including the Palestinians.

The Israelis will not go to this until the last Palestinian. And the Palestinians will not go either - they have physically nowhere to retreat.

There is the sea. And there is the desert. And nowhere in between.
Cain (a hunter) slew Abel (a gardener). So the one who slew his
brother was branded and banished from the land and sent away. Who
then is the father of us all?

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�� ��ᠫ� 16.10.22 0:02:

A win-win situation for all. Including the Palestinians.

The Israelis will not go to this until the last Palestinian. And the Palestinians will not go
either - they have physically nowhere to retreat.

There is the sea. And there is the desert. And nowhere in between. Cain (a hunter) slew Abel
(a gardener). So the one who slew his brother was branded and banished from the land and sent
away. Who then is the father of us all?

This is not a story about a father, but about sin - greed and jealousy. Cain did not understand the meaning of the sacrifice - you need to give something very valuable to God, and only after that you can hope to get some benefits.

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This is not a story about a father, but about sin - greed and jealousy. Cain did not understand the meaning of the sacrifice - you need to give something very valuable to God, and only after that you can hope to get some benefits.

We call that "a bribe".

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Hello Oleg,

The original reason for the creation of NATO was defensive - for the

containment of Germany.

Ditto for the creation of the Warsaw Pact. No country wanted a return

of Nazi Germany, and

steps were taken to prevent that from happening.

Yeah, and instead of Germany, the West chose Ukraine to grow this monster. Comfortable.

With Germany safely contained, where does that leave the purpose of NATO as being? A state of
constant war is unsustainable, with no peace dividend possible.

Meanwhile, during its existence, NATO has been used far beyond borders...

However, times have changed. There is no more Warsaw Pact, and NATO

has no Nazi Germany to

worry about. So what is the purpose of NATO? Is it's purpose still

defensive, as it claims? Or

has it become something else entirely?

If, in its rhetoric, NATO did not deal with constant threats towards Russia.. But Nato needs
an enemy.

FDR and Stalin got along. They were able, along with Winston Churchill, to work together as
allies to defeat Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. After the war, FDR and Stalin remained
friends, and put into place the beginnings to create the United Nations. Europe was in tatters
due to the aftermath of WWII, and only the US and USSR had anything left of what one would
call civilization.

Only the Truman immediately after the Victory over Germany did not offer a hand of friendship, but a fist behind his back and a hint that the USA has the best weapon in the world.

Truman took over upon the death of FDR. But his worldview was much different. Stalin did not
trust him, and for good reason. But Stalin stuck to the plan to finish the war with Japan, and
there was peace.

Of course Stalin chose peace. Not Hiroshima...

By the way, Russia never had a peace treaty with Japan, but they lived in peace...

The Marshall Plan worked for the western part of Europe, and the Soviet Union had its own plan
that worked for the eastern part of Europe. But in 1947 it came to be that Truman and Stalin
began the Cold War, which lasted until Gorbachev threw in the towel. And then only because
George HW Bush did not do so first.

This is a consequence, not a cause. If Truman had not threatened Stalin, you might have seen everything would have turned out differently...

We all know what happened during the Yeltsen years.

Both two are traitors to the motherland!

Then came Putin.

And thank God. Yeltsin would have sold off the remnants of the country in a drunken frenzy...

We all know what Napoleon Bonaparte did. We all know what Adolf

Hitler did. Only frigid

weather stopped France and Germany from achieving their goals of

conquest. Russia has learned to negotiate with the weather ;)

The weather has always been Russia's friend.

We try to match in all directions ;)

Why should anybody believe NATO's claim of being for defensive

purposes only? If an

organization is going to arm a player, isn't the organization itself

also a player? Finland

and Sweden have both formally applied for membership in NATO. What

happens if either are

attacked before membership is granted? There will be war, with allies

coming to their aid and

assistance. So does it really matter if Ukraine is, or is not, a

member of NATO? Why did the US not like having Russian missiles in Cuba?

There were never any nukes in Cuba. Only missiles. Khruschev made that admission years later,
with a grin on his face.

Khrushchev knew how to lie well ;)
Only now the military experts who exported nukus from Cuba are still alive and know much more than Khrushchev. The US wouldn't even know where it came from... And even now they don't know ;)))

Just defense, what's so special about that?

Nothing at all. After all, there were subs in the area with real nukes on board. Besides,
Khruschev did not trust Castro. Never know what a Cuban will do when smoking a cigar.
Especially when walking into a silo.

Submarines not standing ;)

Khrushchev should have put the squeeze on it in 1962 after all.

What for? Better to keep Castro guessing.

What for?

At the same time, we would have seen how it ended. It's hard to feel like a victim, isn't it?

Bobby Kennedy made a deal, removing missiles that didn't work in Turkey for missiles that
didn't work in Cuba. Both JFK and Khruschev were happy and moved on to other things.

They were scared, very much ;)

Who is Russia really at war with?

With the West, isn't it obvious?

The Beatles always wanted to leave the West behind ...

Soviet weapons have already been destroyed, Ukrainian speech from the trenches is heard less
and less.

When the Soviet Union disintegrated, it left some nukes behind in Ukraine. Had it not been for
the US convincing Ukraine to return them to Russia, there might not be any more Moscow.

All nukes were exported from Ukraine. With the conclusion of the Budapest memorandum.


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The UN did not prevent the civilized West from bombing Yugoslavia, staging a series of power
coups and testing biological weapons over the whole world.

NATO air power alone was enough to force Serbia to end its ethnic cleansing program against
Kosovans. The covid-19 virus was not a creation in some biological lab in China, as some have
claimed. And the vaccines are not some kind of population control drugs.

Bombardments with depleted uranium that? It's just for the common good, yeah, you've heard. When you find out the truth about Covid, I can't even imagine your reaction. And also about the antidote. Covid has stopped operating in Russia and has withdrawn all its viruses ;) many have never been vaccinated, for example, I am with the whole family. I used an antidote for a while, then I scored a bolt and sometimes I get sick with ordinary respiratory.

NATO did not prevent NATO from spreading to the very borders of Russia, arranging biological
and nuclear warehouses under the balcony of Russia, smiling in the eyes, holding a deceptive
gesture behind his back and poking a stick with a nail in the back of the Russians.

Such delusional thinking is not normal. Milosevic was caught and brought to court, but got out
of it by croaking just in the nick of time.

Someday there will be a trial of his murderers

The West has raised a cocaine monkey with a grenade and is now surprised at the prospect of
dying in a nuclear fire?

I do believe I would be long gone before the fire ever reached me.

The keyword is "me"...

The monkey has been throwing radioactive gifts in the direction of Donbass for a week, what
kind of reaction are you waiting for a sleeping bear?

Tricks or treats. Hallowe'en. Brings out all the witches and goblins.

We have the evidence.

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The Jewish population wanted all the land for themselves, and took what they could by force.
Not just the land granted to them by the UN, but also land granted to Palestinian Arabs.

We all decided in a boyish way, here you, here they, ran quickly to the corners and do not
interfere with the work of very busy people.

Who came to the rescue of Palestinian Arabs who were attacked by Jewish Palestinians after the
1947 UN Partition of Palestine?

Despite worldwide condemnation, Israel continues to act as an

apartheid state rather than a

respectable member of the international community. Especially in

regards to the city of

Jerusalem, which is illegally occupied by Israel in violation of the

inalienable right of

sovereigny of the people of Palestine.

Well, he swallowed the whole world. Swallow Ukraine too.

He who has the gold has no right to rule the world. Especially when that gold has been
attained by theft.

You understand everything. But you don't want to understand Crimea and Donbass...

Hitler told Chamberlain to give him Czecholslovakia. Chamberlain was happy to oblige. Hitler
told Stalin to give him Poland. Stalin told Hitler "Let's split the pot." We all know who
benefits from appeasement.

Where are the sanctions against Israel?

The General Assembly of the United Nations has been condemning their

actions for decades. But

the Security Council keeps vetoing what the international community

wants. Double standards. Spit on the UN - where are the sanctions of the civilized West?

Who sez the West is civilized? Who sez any part of the world is civilized? Certainly not me
...

That's how you live...

Are they - in the fact that the U.S. supports dual citizenship

specifically with Israel?

And Vatican City. Let's not forget about all those holy priests and

nuns who celebrate by

being celibate.

The stoned Vatican wasn't enough yet.

Not all pedophiles are stoned. Some are fully sober.

And in a sober mind leads humanity to hell.
They become very sober when the trunk looms at the head. They let out whining, drooling and children's tears "and what are we for?"

Or in the fact that 160 countries are available to Israelis for

visa-free entry? ;)

Apparently there is no need for any Jew to have a visa.

Comfortable. And Russian tank - visa;)

That's a lot of scrap metal. Took only six days for Jews to obtain a mountain of it in one of
their insane wars.

The cat will shed mouse tears...

My grandmother was from Kaliningrad. Does that mean I have a Right to

Return, and get free

land?

On general grounds, yes. Just like Segal.

It was fun serving pizza to him and his film crew on Bourbon Street.

Do you have Bidenism in your blood? ;) it's a national trait just ;)

Don't give a damn about the United States from a high bell tower.

Everybody gives a damn about the Kennedys. Especially the Dead

Kennedys. Similarly, from the same bell tower.

All my Dead Kennedy albums got stolen, never to be seen again. I know who took them. And she
will never be forgiven. :)

I prefer on the tape ;) Ready to disconnect the Internet ;)

In principle, anyone can obtain Russian citizenship. Russians - in a

simplified procedure.

Moreover, new citizens can obtain land in Russia absolutely free of

charge.

Siberia is warming up, with Chinese making it their new home ...

Dreams are dreams...

Don't laugh. The Chinese are coming. The Chinese are coming. And not all of them are red. :)

So they have been among you for a long time, they don't need to come anywhere ;) waiting for an opportunity.

We have them freezing somehow...;)


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This is not a story about a father, but about sin - greed and jealousy. Cain did not
understand the meaning of the sacrifice - you need to give something very valuable to God,
and only after that you can hope to get some benefits.

We call that "a bribe".

This is your personal relationship with God ;)

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Hi, Oleg Nazaroff!
I read your message from 14.10.2022 12:01

AK>> A way out: Probably, IMHO, after the divorce the world
AK>> should spend a lot of money to make the Arab Palestine as
AK>> much prosperous so that they will forget about their the
AK>> desire to fight with Israel.
ON> To do this, Israel needs to give at least half of the territory
ON> with the border parallel to the equator. For all the fertile
ON> lands of Palestine have been forcibly seized by Israel.

The Gulf states showed if you have a lot of money you can live well everywhere.

Bye, Oleg!
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Hi, Lee Lofaso!
I read your message from 16.10.2022 01:01

ak>> A way out:
ak>> Probably, IMHO, after the divorce the world should spend a
ak>> lot of money to make the Arab Palestine as much prosperous
ak>> so that they will forget about their the desire to fight
ak>> with Israel.
LL> Maybe the world should give up its goal of imposing a two-state
LL> solution for Israel. Just call it Palestine, for Jews and Arabs
LL> alike. With free and fair elections for all. With UN observers
LL> to make sure everything is on the up and up.

It will not work -- Israel is a ultra-nationalistic state, not to say
more. It is one of a very few countries where people of one nationality
have big unlawful privileges.

PS: In Russia the slogan "Russia for Russians!" is considered as neo-Nazi.

Bye, Lee!
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Hello, alexander!

Monday October 17 2022 09:53, you wrote to Oleg Nazaroff:

To do this, Israel needs to give at least half of the territory
with the border parallel to the equator. For all the fertile
lands of Palestine have been forcibly seized by Israel.

The Gulf states showed if you have a lot of money you can live well everywhere.

Venezuela is a good example that money is not enough.

Best regards,
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Hello, alexander!

Monday October 17 2022 10:14, you wrote to Lee Lofaso:

It will not work -- Israel is a ultra-nationalistic state, not to say more. It is one of a very few countries where people of one
nationality have big unlawful privileges.

Do you know any problems for Russians in Israel?

PS: In Russia the slogan "Russia for Russians!" is considered as
neo-Nazi.

The slogan now is - "Ukranians are Russians or dead".
Russian military correspondents are reporting that all Ukranians will be killed.

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello Oleg,

A win-win situation for all. Including the Palestinians.

The Israelis will not go to this until the last Palestinian. And the

Palestinians will not go

either - they have physically nowhere to retreat.

There is the sea. And there is the desert. And nowhere in between.

Cain (a hunter) slew Abel

(a gardener). So the one who slew his brother was branded and

banished from the land and sent

away. Who then is the father of us all?

This is not a story about a father, but about sin - greed and jealousy. Cain
did not understand the meaning of the sacrifice - you need to give something very valuable to God, and only after that you can hope to get some benefits.

Animal sacrifice is really big in Judaism.
And sometimes human sacrifice.

For Life,
Lee

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���ண� �६�窠, Lee Lofaso.
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away. Who then is the father of us all?

This is not a story about a father, but about sin - greed and jealousy. Cain did not
understand the meaning of the sacrifice - you need to give something very valuable to God,
and only after that you can hope to get some benefits.

Animal sacrifice is really big in Judaism. And sometimes human sacrifice.

Not only in Judaism. Also in Islam and many others. Human sacrifice is an integral part of Satanism ;)

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Hello, Oleg!

Monday October 17 2022 22:07, you wrote to Lee Lofaso:

Animal sacrifice is really big in Judaism. And sometimes human
sacrifice.

Not only in Judaism. Also in Islam and many others. Human sacrifice is
an integral part of Satanism ;)

I thought that it's a part of Putinism? :)

Best regards,
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Dmitry,

Animal sacrifice is really big in Judaism. And sometimes human
sacrifice.

Not only in Judaism. Also in Islam and many others. Human sacrifice DP>ON> is an integral part of Satanism ;)

I thought that it's a part of Putinism? :)

Except oneself ...

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Dmitry Protasoff -> Oleg Nazaroff skrev 2022-10-17 21:13:

Human sacrifice is an integral part of Satanism ;)

I thought that it's a part of Putinism? :)

Same thing, just another word for it. Putin has already sacrificed more than 60k humans and has now collected 220k more to be slaughtered.

It's the Stalin strategy from WWII all over again; sacrificing 20M humans to barely defeat 1M Germans. A sacrifice *he* was willing to make for his country.

I'm not so sure that today's Russian people are willing to let Putin nobly make a similar sacrifice just to gain some territory to Make Russia Great Again, while his documented war crimes are piling up every day.

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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 17.10.2022 11:44

ON>>> To do this, Israel needs to give at least half of the
ON>>> territory with the border parallel to the equator. For
ON>>> all the fertile lands of Palestine have been forcibly
ON>>> seized by Israel.
ak>> The Gulf states showed if you have a lot of money you can
ak>> live well everywhere.
DP> Venezuela is a good example that money is not enough.

Such things happen when the US start choke and undermine the country
economy with all means available. We saw it in many countries. For
instance Cuba, Chile, Lybia...

Bye, Dmitry!
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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 17.10.2022 11:47

ak>> It will not work -- Israel is a ultra-nationalistic state,
ak>> not to say more. It is one of a very few countries where
ak>> people of one nationality have big unlawful privileges.
DP> Do you know any problems for Russians in Israel?
ak>> PS: In Russia the slogan "Russia for Russians!" is
ak>> considered as neo-Nazi.
DP> The slogan now is - "Ukranians are Russians or dead".
DP> Russian military correspondents are reporting that all
DP> Ukranians will be killed.

Stop telling a fucking lie.

Bye, Dmitry!
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Hello, alexander!

Tuesday October 18 2022 09:20, you wrote to me:

The Gulf states showed if you have a lot of money you can
live well everywhere.

Venezuela is a good example that money is not enough.

Such things happen when the US start choke and undermine the country

US is the main importer of oil from Venezuela. Without US the situation will be much worse.
But Chavez even called US president "a devil". You can't have good business with yout customers and call them "devils".
The same problem with Russia - we pissed off our main customer - EU.

Some people are just very bad at doing business and they blame everyone for their mistakes.

Best regards,
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Hello, alexander!

Tuesday October 18 2022 09:20, you wrote to me:

The slogan now is - "Ukranians are Russians or dead".
Russian military correspondents are reporting that all
Ukranians will be killed.

Stop telling a fucking lie.

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New video shows a Russian activist threatening to kill Ukrainians who don't join his nation's cause.

Julia Davis, a journalist and creator of the watchdog group Russian Media Monitor, tweeted the video of Pavel Gubarev as recorded in the Donetsk People's Republic-one of four territories annexed by Russia and recently recognized by the country as its own after voter referendums believed by Ukraine and Western allies to be illegitimate.

"We aren't coming to kill you, but to convince you," Gubarev said. "But if you don't want to be convinced, we'll kill you. We'll kill as many as we have to: 1 million, 5 million, or exterminate all of you."

Gubarev, a Ukrainian, is a pro-Russian activist and self-proclaimed "people's governor" of the Donetsk.
https://www.newsweek.com/activist-promises-exterminate-all-ukrainians-who-wont-switch-sides-1750839
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Please stop supporting fucking nazis.

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Russian State Duma member Mikhail Sheremet said on Thursday that it is hard to "negotiate" with Ukrainians and that eliminating them is the "only" way forward for the Russian invasion in Ukraine.

"Given the damage that they cause to [our] infrastructure, and [the harm] to the lives and well-being of our citizens, they must only be eliminated," said Sheremet, who is a member of the Duma Security and Anti-Corruption Committee, Russian news agency Tass reported.
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It's the Stalin strategy from WWII all over again; sacrificing 20M
humans to barely defeat 1M Germans. A sacrifice *he* was willing to make for his country.

Stalin used to say "When a person dies, it's terrible. When a million people die, it's a statistic".

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Dmitry,

The same problem with Russia - we pissed off our main customer - EU.

Correct ...

There will be no gas shortage this winter and by 2023/24 it will have been take care of.

As said earlier on in the conflict ... Russia has already lost it military after 2-3 weeks. Now they've lost it also economically.

And the reaction of the people will afterwards be

"Wir haben es nicht gewuszt".

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And the reaction of the people will afterwards be

"Wir haben es nicht gewuszt".

The image of the Russian people will be the three monkeys:

See nothing, hear nothing, say nothing.


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The same problem with Russia - we pissed off our main customer - EU.

Correct ... There will be no gas shortage this winter and by 2023/24 it will have been take
care of.

You will switch to firewood. If there are still left, the Germans are already cutting down the parks ;)
Norway and Algeria will end at any moment in the same way as the nord stream, and the Pindos themselves are not enough ;)
Well, don't forget to blow, green energy requires ;)

As said earlier on in the conflict ... Russia has already lost it military after 2-3 weeks.
Now they've lost it also economically.

In Russia, the domestic market is not yet full.

And the reaction of the people will afterwards be

You won't wait.

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It's the Stalin strategy from WWII all over again; sacrificing 20M humans to barely defeat 1M
Germans. A sacrifice *he* was willing to make for his country.

Stalin used to say "When a person dies, it's terrible. When a million people die, it's a
statistic".

Ukraine is already far behind the statistics, no one counts losses..

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You will switch to firewood. If there are still left, the Germans are already cutting down the parks ;)

Oh dear ... is "that" what the propaganda is telling now in Russia? And people believe that?

Now they've lost it also economically.

In Russia, the domestic market is not yet full.

Most of Russia's domestic market cannot afford it ...

Take care,

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Ukraine is already far behind the statistics, no one counts losses..

Ukraine's military is trained in the west ... even in Belgium.

No country has ever beaten Belgium ... except in football.

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Ukraine is already far behind the statistics, no one counts losses..

Ahhh yes, Ukraine has lost 100k+ troops, while Russia has only lost 6453. Strange that they need 220k more troops to replace those 6453. Maybe you can explain why?


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In Russia, the domestic market is not yet full.

Just out of curiosity, what's the price of coffee in Russia now, and how does it compare to the price before 24 February?

Similarly, the price of a Lada, and how does it's equipment compare to that eight months ago?


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Hello, alexander!

Tuesday October 18 2022 15:00, you wrote to Bj?rn Felten:

Ahhh yes, Ukraine has lost 100k+ troops, while Russia has
only lost 6453. Strange that they need 220k more troops to
replace those 6453. Maybe you can explain why?

Zelensky has mobilized a million rookies, and on the Russian side are still only 200000 professional contractors. That's why Ukrainian side

Don't forget about DNR/LNR soldiers, Rosgvardia members and Vagner mercenaries. Nobody knows how much canons meat Putin sent there.

in reality has much more losses. But soon rookies will arrive to the
Russian side too. As Kippling's Akela said, "It will be a glorious fight!"

It's gonna be just another massacre. The glorious day (and night, and the whole weekend) will be when our stupid dictator will die!

Best regards,
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Hi, Bj?rn Felten!
I read your message from 18.10.2022 12:46

ON>> Ukraine is already far behind the statistics, no one counts
ON>> losses..
BF> Ahhh yes, Ukraine has lost 100k+ troops, while Russia has
BF> only lost 6453. Strange that they need 220k more troops to
BF> replace those 6453. Maybe you can explain why?

Zelensky has mobilized a million rookies, and on the Russian side are
still only 200000 professional contractors. That's why Ukrainian side in reality has much more losses. But soon rookies will arrive to the
Russian side too. As Kippling's Akela said, "It will be a glorious fight!"

Bye, Bj?rn!
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only lost 6453. Strange that they need 220k more troops to
replace those 6453. Maybe you can explain why?

Zelensky has mobilized a million rookies, and on the Russian side are still only 200000 professional contractors. That's why Ukrainian side in reality has much more losses.

That's not what I asked about. Please read my question again.

But soon rookies will arrive to the Russian side too.

Great! More fertilizer for the sunflowers.

As Kippling's Akela said, "It will be a glorious fight!"

As the Ukrainian farmers say: "Thank you Putin for all the abandoned hardware that our military guys pay really good money for, and for all the nutrients for our soil."


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It's gonna be just another massacre. The glorious day (and night, and the whole weekend) will be when our stupid dictator will die!

They're not going to bury him next to Lenin, would they?

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You will switch to firewood. If there are still left, the Germans are already cutting down
the parks ;)

Oh dear ... is "that" what the propaganda is telling now in Russia? And people believe that?

Now they've lost it also economically. In Russia, the domestic market is not yet full.

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