Hi, All!

Looking at the Jokovich deportation I now can say that those people who
claim that a court decision in the West is the highest, can shut up and
stop their propaganda. The opinion of a bureaucrat is higher, and he can
spit at all court decisions, after being properly paid. ;-)

Bye, All!
Alexander Koryagin

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Hi! Alexander,

On 01/17/2022 03:41 PM, you wrote to All:

Looking at the Jokovich deportation I now can say that those people who claim that a court decision in the West is the highest, can shut up and stop their propaganda. The opinion of a bureaucrat is higher, and he can spit at all court decisions, after being properly paid. ;-)

This disinterested observer's view notes that the situation failed the 'pub test' (aka court of public opinion). The subject personage was on the receiving end of special treatment, by comparison with long-term refugees in detention.

By public request, his access to Australia was forcibly reviewed, and certainly once some honesty of his part was forthcoming (i.e. facts withheld or falsified in his visa application).

The mere fact of an upcoming election may have presented an opportunity of gaining votes may have impelled public institutions, to improve their (plural) performance. That only provided impetus.

Cheers,
Paul.

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Alexander,

Looking at the Jokovich deportation ...

We call it "JoCovid" .... that says it all.

The man and tennis considered himself above the law. Three cheers for Australia ... The refusal was fully in line with policy ...

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Hi, Ward Dossche!
I read your message from 17.01.2022 10:17

ak>> Looking at the Djokovic deportation ...
WD> We call it "JoCovid" .... that says it all.
WD> The man and tennis considered himself above the law. Three
WD> cheers for Australia ... The refusal was fully in line with
WD> policy

Was the court decision that confirmed his visa was a Law? Do the
Wallabies believe in science that invented PCR tests? ;-) Do they
believe that after covid19 (Djokovic in December) a person has immunity against it? If not -- it is a wildness and funniest ignorance. ;-)

Bye, Ward!
Alexander Koryagin
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Alexander,

Was the court decision that confirmed his visa was a Law? Do the
Wallabies believe in science that invented PCR tests? ;-) Do they
believe that after covid19 (Djokovic in December) a person has immunity against it? If not -- it is a wildness and funniest ignorance. ;-)

I was in the USA Dec.26th through Jan.6th ... well, eventually the 7th after some cancelations.

During those 12 days the Belgian requirements for return were changed (that is returning to my own country), so were the German ones (I was intending to fly via Frankfurt) who in the meantime also changed it, the American rules were fully untransparant but that didn't matter ... I had to bow in the direction the law of 3 different countries required me to bow and deal with how airport staff were interpreting all that.

At not a single moment could I be placed above the law, I just had to deal with the situation.

JoCovid knew the strict Australian policies, he tried to bend them and they proved too rigid. Other players complied ...

When you go to another country, you bend to their rules. Do not agree? Then don't go.

When I go to Russia I have to accept that Russian authorities will track my every move ... been there, done that ...

\%/@rd

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Hi, Ward Dossche!
I read your message from 17.01.2022 12:58

WD> JoCovid knew the strict Australian policies, he tried to bend
WD> them and they proved too rigid. Other players complied ... When
WD> you go to another country, you bend to their rules. Do not
WD> agree? Then don't go. When I go to Russia I have to accept that
WD> Russian authorities will track my every move ... been there, done that
WD> ...

If a decision is founded on idiocy and ignorance it tells about the
people who make such decisions. There were absolutely no grounds to
think that Djokovich was a danger for Australia, and his covid illness
in December was a perfect substitute for a vaccine. Just somebody got
some money to bar him from the competition. PCR tests can't help in
fighting corruption in sport. A very low impression about Australia
after this.

PS: I am not a Djokovich fan.

Bye, Ward!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hello, alexander!

Tuesday January 18 2022 08:16, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

If a decision is founded on idiocy and ignorance it tells about the
people who make such decisions. There were absolutely no grounds to
think that Djokovich was a danger for Australia, and his covid illness

He is famous anti-vaxxer so he is really a danger for Australia.

Best regards,
dp.

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Re: The power of Law
By: alexander koryagin to Ward Dossche on Tue Jan 18 2022 08:16 am

people who make such decisions. There were absolutely no grounds to
think that Djokovich was a danger for Australia, and his covid illness
in December was a perfect substitute for a vaccine. Just somebody got

Well, you might not think he was a danger, but he obviuosly thought he was, otherwise why provide misleading information on the Visa application and entry form?

It doesnt matter if it was Djokovich, or Charlie Brown from wherever - the law is the law, and if I am expected to provide truthful information, then so is he. And if you get caught not providing it, you have to accept the consequence.



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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 18.01.2022 11:18

ak>> If a decision is founded on idiocy and ignorance it tells
ak>> about the people who make such decisions. There were
ak>> absolutely no grounds to think that Djokovich was a danger
ak>> for Australia, and his covid illness
DP> He is famous anti-vaxxer so he is really a danger for Australia.

Well, his words are perfectly heard via Internet anyway, and maximum
that he had said was something about a free choice. Showing themselves
as fools Australian officials did a real bad service in persuading
people to be vaccinated. When a call comes from fools who deny medicine
facts and court decisions it has a strong negative effect.

Bye, Dmitry!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hello, alexander!

Tuesday January 18 2022 12:50, you wrote to me:

He is famous anti-vaxxer so he is really a danger for Australia.

Well, his words are perfectly heard via Internet anyway, and maximum
that he had said was something about a free choice. Showing themselves

He is famous for ignoring COVID restrictions, so he is really a threat.
Just check his behaviour last December when he was invected.

as fools Australian officials did a real bad service in persuading
people to be vaccinated. When a call comes from fools who deny
medicine facts and court decisions it has a strong negative effect.

His documents were not right, so why treat him in special way?
I personnaly know english guy who was deported from Moscow because Russian embassy in London made a typo in his visa.
And Djokovic had even worse error, with incorrect facts about his recent travels.

Best regards,
dp.

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PS: I am not a Djokovich fan.

But you've earned your medical degree and the one in law at the University of Facebook ...

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Hello Alexander,

Looking at the Djokovic deportation ...

We call it "JoCovid" .... that says it all.
The man and tennis considered himself above the law. Three
cheers for Australia ... The refusal was fully in line with
policy

Was the court decision that confirmed his visa was a Law? Do the
Wallabies believe in science that invented PCR tests? ;-) Do they
believe that after covid19 (Djokovic in December) a person has immunity against it? If not -- it is a wildness and funniest ignorance. ;-)

Djokovic is dangerous. He hits tennis balls at line referees.
Even those who are women. And then he smashes his racket having
been tossed for unsportsmanlike conduct ...

--Lee

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Hello Ward,

Looking at the Jokovich deportation ...

We call it "JoCovid" .... that says it all.

The man and tennis considered himself above the law. Three cheers for Australia ... The refusal was fully in line with policy ...

Was it? Then please explain why Rafael Nadal was allowed to play
while the three-time defending champion and #1 ranked player in the
world was not? Remember, both were guilty of the same infraction ...

--Lee

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Hello Alexander,

Looking at the Jokovich deportation I now can say that those people who claim that a court decision in the West is the highest, can shut up and stop their propaganda. The opinion of a bureaucrat is higher, and he can spit at all court decisions, after being properly paid. ;-)

The three-time defending champion, and #1 ranked player in the
world, is not allowed to play due to a technical infraction made
by his agent. While at the same time another player (Nadal) was
allowed to play while having been guilty of the same infraction.
That is what Australia calls true justice for all.

--Lee

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Hi, Deon!
I read your message from 18.01.2022 12:21

ak>> people who make such decisions. There were absolutely no grounds
ak>> to think that Djokovich was a danger for Australia, and his covid
ak>> illness in December was a perfect substitute for a vaccine. Just
ak>> somebody got

d> Well, you might not think he was a danger, but he obviuosly thought
d> he was, otherwise why provide misleading information on the Visa
d> application and entry form?

What was that information exactly? Did he lie that he was ill with covid
and exempt from vaccination? Hadn't he shown the PCR test or it was
false? It is possible that one form or other was filled with mistakes --
but we all humans. The only explanation -- the Australian bureaucrat had ordered his removal from the tournament paid by the people from the
Parimutuel betting.

d> It doesnt matter if it was Djokovich, or Charlie Brown from
d> wherever - the law is the law, and if I am expected to provide
d> truthful information, then so is he. And if you get caught not
d> providing it, you have to accept the consequence.

A newest French serial "80 days around the world" was shown on TV
recently. And when mr Fog had returned to the UK we was met with such an
ugly bureaucrat, who put him into a detention center. ;-)

Bye, Deon!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hi, Lee Lofaso!
I read your message from 18.01.2022 20:28

ak>> Was the court decision that confirmed his visa was a Law?
ak>> Do the Wallabies believe in science that invented PCR
ak>> tests?;-) Do they believe that after covid19 (Djokovic in
ak>> December) a person has immunity against it? If not -- it is
ak>> a wildness and funniest ignorance.;-)
LL> Djokovic is dangerous. He hits tennis balls at line referees.
LL> Even those who are women. And then he smashes his racket having
LL> been tossed for unsportsmanlike conduct ...

I remember an American tennis player whose name was AFAIR McEnroe... ;-) Djokovich is an angel next to him.

Bye, Lee!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hello Alexander,

[..]

It doesnt matter if it was Djokovich, or Charlie Brown from
wherever - the law is the law, and if I am expected to provide
truthful information, then so is he. And if you get caught not
providing it, you have to accept the consequence.

A newest French serial "80 days around the world" was shown on TV recently. And when mr Fog had returned to the UK we was met with such an ugly bureaucrat, who put him into a detention center. ;-)

Thanks for the spoiler alert. After having watched the first 3
episodes, there is no need to find out how it ends ...

--Lee

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Hello Alexander,

Was the court decision that confirmed his visa was a Law?
Do the Wallabies believe in science that invented PCR
tests?;-) Do they believe that after covid19 (Djokovic in
December) a person has immunity against it? If not -- it is
a wildness and funniest ignorance.;-)

Djokovic is dangerous. He hits tennis balls at line referees.
Even those who are women. And then he smashes his racket having
been tossed for unsportsmanlike conduct ...

I remember an American tennis player whose name was AFAIR McEnroe... ;-) Djokovich is an angel next to him.

And John McEnroe was an angel next to Jimmy Connors ...

Ilie Nastase was a crowd favorite. Never got tossed, but what
a clown. Won the US Open and became an instant star forever ...

--Lee

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Hi, Lee Lofaso!
I read your message from 19.01.2022 16:33

d>>> It doesnt matter if it was Djokovich, or Charlie Brown
d>>> from wherever - the law is the law, and if I am expected
d>>> to provide truthful information, then so is he. And if
d>>> you get caught not providing it, you have to accept the
d>>> consequence.
ak>> A newest French serial "80 days around the world" was shown
ak>> on TV recently. And when mr Fog had returned to the UK we
ak>> was met with such an ugly bureaucrat, who put him into a
ak>> detention center.;-)
LL> Thanks for the spoiler alert. After having watched the first 3
LL> episodes, there is no need to find out how it ends ...

But there is always a happy end in such stories! ;-)

Bye, Lee!
Alexander Koryagin
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On 17/01/2022 15:41, alexander koryagin : All wrote:

Hi, All!

Looking at the Jokovich deportation I now can say that those people who claim that a court decision in the West is the highest, can shut up and stop their propaganda. The opinion of a bureaucrat is higher, and he can spit at all court decisions, after being properly paid. ;-)

I cannot understand why he was given a visa in the first place... Who did he pay?

--
Regards
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On 17/01/2022 17:17, Ward Dossche : alexander koryagin wrote:

Looking at the Jokovich deportation ...

We call it "JoCovid" .... that says it all.

The man and tennis considered himself above the law. Three cheers for Australia ... The refusal was fully in line with policy ...

How was he granted a visa in the first place (in contravention with policy)?

--
Regards
David

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On 18/01/2022 15:16, alexander koryagin : Ward Dossche wrote:

  WD> JoCovid knew the strict Australian policies, he tried to bend
  WD> them and they proved too rigid. Other players complied ... When
  WD> you go to another country, you bend to their rules. Do not
  WD> agree? Then don't go. When I go to Russia I have to accept that
  WD> Russian authorities will track my every move ... been there, done that
  WD> ...

If a decision is founded on idiocy and ignorance it tells about the
people who make such decisions. There were absolutely no grounds to
think that Djokovich was a danger for Australia, and his covid illness
in December was a perfect substitute for a vaccine. Just somebody got
some money to bar him from the competition. PCR tests can't help in fighting corruption in sport. A very low impression about Australia
after this.

I don't think his health was the issue - it was his anti-vax stance. Ordinary Australians worship sports people and attempt to emulate them. The powers here felt that his presence may stir more anti-vax rhetoric amoung the great unwashed.

--
Regards
David

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On 19/01/2022 03:28, Lee Lofaso : Ward Dossche wrote:

 ak>>> Looking at the Jokovich deportation ...

 WD>> We call it "JoCovid" .... that says it all.

 WD>> The man and tennis considered himself above the law. Three cheers for
 WD>> Australia ... The refusal was fully in line with policy ...

Was it? Then please explain why Rafael Nadal was allowed to play
while the three-time defending champion and #1 ranked player in the
world was not? Remember, both were guilty of the same infraction ...

Could it be that Nadal is a nice person and not an arsehole?

--
Regards
David

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Re: The power of Law
By: David Drummond to alexander koryagin on Sat Jan 22 2022 02:05 pm

On 18/01/2022 15:16, alexander koryagin : Ward Dossche wrote:

WD> JoCovid knew the strict Australian policies, he tried to bend
WD> them and they proved too rigid. Other players complied ... When
WD> you go to another country, you bend to their rules. Do not
WD> agree? Then don't go. When I go to Russia I have to accept that
WD> Russian authorities will track my every move ... been there, don

that

WD> ...

If a decision is founded on idiocy and ignorance it tells about the people who make such decisions. There were absolutely no grounds to think that Djokovich was a danger for Australia, and his covid illness in December was a perfect substitute for a vaccine. Just somebody got some money to bar him from the competition. PCR tests can't help in fighting corruption in sport. A very low impression about Australia after this.

I don't think his health was the issue - it was his anti-vax stance. Ordinar Australians worship sports people and attempt to emulate them. The powers he felt that his presence may stir more anti-vax rhetoric amoung the great unwashed.

--
Regards
David

They sort of admitted that here, that he was a symbol of the anti-vax movement and they didn't want that to be supported. The whole visa saga was really about this.
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The man and tennis considered himself above the law. Three cheers
for Australia ... The refusal was fully in line with policy ...

How was he granted a visa in the first place (in contravention with policy)?

Why ask me? You're living there ...

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On 22/01/2022 18:40, Dennis Katsonis : David Drummond wrote:

; The powers that be felt that his presence may stir more anti-vax rhetoric amoung the great unwashed.

They sort of admitted that here, that he was a symbol of the anti-vax movement
and they didn't want that to be supported.  The whole visa saga was really
about this.

I agree.

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Regards
David

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On 22/01/2022 19:43, Ward Dossche : David Drummond wrote:

How was he granted a visa in the first place (in contravention with
policy)?

Why ask me? You're living there ...

That may have been a rhetorical question :)

I may live here but I have no connection or pull with the law/policy makers. I don't even participate in the elections.

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David

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Hi, David Drummond!
I read your message from 22.01.2022 13:58

ak>> Looking at the Jokovich deportation I now can say that
ak>> those people who claim that a court decision in the West is
ak>> the highest, can shut up and stop their propaganda. The
ak>> opinion of a bureaucrat is higher, and he can spit at all
ak>> court decisions, after being properly paid.;-)
DD> I cannot understand why he was given a visa in the first
DD> place... Who did he pay?

It is a universally accepted truth that the people after covid has
immunity against the disease al least as good as after a vaccination.
Those who deny it are ignorant and wild people. Well, no. They are just
bribed ones.

Bye, David!
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Hi, David Drummond!
I read your message from 22.01.2022 14:05

ak>> If a decision is founded on idiocy and ignorance it tells
ak>> about the people who make such decisions. There were
ak>> absolutely no grounds to think that Djokovich was a danger
ak>> for Australia, and his covid illness in December was a
ak>> perfect substitute for a vaccine. Just somebody got some
ak>> money to bar him from the competition. PCR tests can't help
ak>> in fighting corruption in sport. A very low impression
ak>> about Australia after this.
DD> I don't think his health was the issue - it was his anti-vax
DD> stance. Ordinary Australians worship sports people and attempt
DD> to emulate them. The powers here felt that his presence may stir more
DD> anti-vax rhetoric amoung the great unwashed.

It impossible to discredit the law more than it can be done by fools and idiots. That decision against Djokovich has actually multiplied the anvi-vaccine supporters.

Bye, David!
Alexander Koryagin
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On 24/01/2022 17:02, alexander koryagin : David Drummond wrote:

  DD> I cannot understand why he was given a visa in the first
  DD> place... Who did he pay?

It is a universally accepted truth that the people after covid has immunity against the disease al least as good as after a vaccination.

And yet so many are getting COVID a subsequent time...

Those who deny it are ignorant and wild people. Well, no. They are just bribed ones.

Your evidence for that?

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On 24/01/2022 17:08, alexander koryagin : David Drummond wrote:

  DD> I don't think his health was the issue - it was his anti-vax
  DD> stance. Ordinary Australians worship sports people and attempt
  DD> to emulate them. The powers here felt that his presence may stir more
  DD> anti-vax rhetoric amoung the great unwashed.

It impossible to discredit the law more than it can be done by fools and idiots. That decision against Djokovich has actually multiplied the anvi-vaccine supporters.

Not in Australia.

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David

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Hi, David Drummond!
I read your message from 27.01.2022 08:48

ak>> DD> I cannot understand why he was given a visa in
ak>> the first DD> place... Who did he pay?
ak>> It is a universally accepted truth that the people after
ak>> covid has immunity against the disease al least as good as
ak>> after a vaccination.
DD> And yet so many are getting COVID a subsequent time...

Antibodies are not for preventing diseases, but for fighting with
diseases. Antibodies can be compared with antibiotic agents. They fight microbes, but only fools will shot themselves with them constantly as
the measure to prevent himself completely from contamination. This
policy is extremely bad, because it causes microbes to be resistible.
The same can be applied to the policy of constant vaccination against
covid.

ak>> Those who deny it are ignorant and wild people. Well, no.
ak>> They are just bribed ones.
DD> Your evidence for that?

I don't think Australian are fools, the there remain only another option.

Bye, David!
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