Everybody knows The Wright Brothers were the first men to fly an
airplane. But who can tell me who was the first man to fly an airplane
in England? And in Sweden? Gosh, us Americans are #1 in *everytning*!
Even to fly a helicopter on Mars!

You were also the first ones to elect an absolute moron as president of the USA.

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Hello Ward,

Everybody knows The Wright Brothers were the first men to fly an
airplane. But who can tell me who was the first man to fly an airplane
in England? And in Sweden? Gosh, us Americans are #1 in *everytning*!
Even to fly a helicopter on Mars!

You were also the first ones to elect an absolute moron as president of the
USA.

We are *proud* of that! No other country will ever match us!
Not even Italy, which has tried for decades. Benito Mussolini
thought of himself as the greatest statesman of all time. And
he was. Just compare footage of Trump and Mussolini. Both use
the same poses, folding their arms the same way, making the
same gestures, even their facial expressions being the same.

Now if only Trump would have thought of shaving his head ...

--Lee

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Hello Lee!

23 Apr 21 23:57, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

We are *proud* of that! No other country will ever match us!
Not even Italy, which has tried for decades. Benito Mussolini
thought of himself as the greatest statesman of all time. And
he was. Just compare footage of Trump and Mussolini. Both use
the same poses, folding their arms the same way, making the
same gestures, even their facial expressions being the same.

Now if only Trump would have thought of shaving his head ...

Mussolini was also fond of uniforms, how smart would your president
have have looked in such an outfit.

Kees

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Nah, the Ruskies beat you into space.

On Apr 23, 2021 06:23pm, Lee Lofaso wrote to All:

Hello Everybody,

Everybody knows The Wright Brothers were the first men to fly an
airplane. But who can tell me who was the first man to fly an airplane
in England? And in Sweden? Gosh, us Americans are #1 in *everytning*!
Even to fly a helicopter on Mars!

--Lee

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Hello David,

Everybody knows The Wright Brothers were the first men to fly an
airplane.

Supposedly someone in NZ beat them - but USA had a better news/propaganda system in place at the time.

We still do. We are the only country on earth that could replace
one moron with another moron. And not even realize what we did.

--Lee

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Hello Kees,

We are *proud* of that! No other country will ever match us!
Not even Italy, which has tried for decades. Benito Mussolini
thought of himself as the greatest statesman of all time. And
he was. Just compare footage of Trump and Mussolini. Both use
the same poses, folding their arms the same way, making the
same gestures, even their facial expressions being the same.

Now if only Trump would have thought of shaving his head ...

Mussolini was also fond of uniforms, how smart would your president
have have looked in such an outfit.

Il Duce with orange hair? You really gotta be kiddin' me!

--Lee

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Hello Terry,

Nah, the Ruskies beat you into space.

Both the Wright brothers made it into the air. But one of them
became the first to die in flight (the other was too chicken to
fly after his first experience).

Gagarin made it into space. But crashed his airplane on Earth,
becoming the first cosmonaut to die in flight.

There was another cosmonaut who became the first to die in space.
But nobody remembers his name. Or wants so.

Now you know why Russia bans its cosmonauts from playing chess
in space.

--Lee

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Everybody knows The Wright Brothers were the first men to fly an
airplane.

Supposedly someone in NZ beat them - but USA had a better news/propaganda system in place at the time.

A bit like "Who invented the telephone?"

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Nah, the Ruskies beat you into space.

And don't tell'm their Atlas rocket programme was a Belgian thing plus without top-Nazi Von Braun there would not have been an Apollo moonlanding.

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Both the Wright brothers made it into the air. But one of them
became the first to die in flight (the other was too chicken to
fly after his first experience).

Bullshit.

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On 25/04/2021 02:43, 2203/2 wrote:

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Dromedary or Bactrian?

We have many (dromedary) camels in Australia, but I'm not aware of anyone sticking a match to them.

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Shhhhh.

I believe most of early NASA were from the UK if my memory is right.

Terry

On Apr 24, 2021 07:58pm, Ward Dossche wrote to Terry Roati:

Nah, the Ruskies beat you into space.

And don't tell'm their Atlas rocket programme was a Belgian thing plus without top-Nazi Von Braun there would not have been an Apollo moonlanding.

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Hello Ward,

Both the Wright brothers made it into the air. But one of them
became the first to die in flight (the other was too chicken to
fly after his first experience).

Bullshit.

First to fly, first to die.

Wilbur Wright died in 1912 in a plane crash.
Orville Wright survived until 1948.

"First to Fly" - Ohio state license plate, in honor of
the Wright brothers, John Glenn, and Neil Armstrong.

What does Belgium have to say for itself?

--Lee

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What does Belgium have to say for itself?

Karel Jan Bossart designer of the Atlas launch vehicle. First launch 1957 and 64 years later still in use.

As a result this Belgian engineer is credited with:

* Launch of first communications satellite;
* Launch of first United States orbital manned missions (Mercury and Gemini);
* Launch of Mariner probes to Mars and Venus; and
* Launch of Pioneer 10 and Pioneer 11 to Jupiter and Saturn.

Without Belgians and Nazis the Americam space program would be nowhere.

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Hello David,

More Doctors Smoke Camels than Any Other [...]

Dromedary or Bactrian?

Not sure. Does it matter?

We have many (dromedary) camels in Australia, but I'm not aware of anyone sticking a match to them.

Makes `em run faster.
Ever watch the Arabian Derby?
Them camels can run!

--Lee

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i don't really see where you're going with this. are you saying you'd
like to see some history books rewritten? or is it just hot air?

Do your research ... start here ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karel_Bossart

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Lee wrote:

Hello Everybody,

Everybody knows The Wright Brothers were the first men to fly an
airplane. But who can tell me who was the first man to fly an airplane
in England? And in Sweden? Gosh, us Americans are #1 in *everytning*!
Even to fly a helicopter on Mars!

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/how-yorkshireman-beat-wrights-air-125885.html
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Dan,

Possibly true, but what other nation's space program could those people have contributed to (at the time)?

I think it's a matter of financing and opportunity. It's more readily available in the US than elsewhere.

Someone our famiy knew in the 1950-ies was a helicopter pilot in the Belgian military stationed in the then German occupation zone. He was going to make a big career in the military, then he met a German girl with relatives in Eastern Germany. They got married, he was forced out of his job because he could be armwrestled to give Belgian military secrets (at this point, my belly is wiggling so hard from a laughing cramp, it hurts) to the Russians.

McDonnelDouglas learned from this event, hired him and he became chief test-pilot on the DC10 program.

Financing and opportunity, both balanced.

Weren't semiconducters developed by a Hungarian refugee? And wasn't Apple founded by the illegitimate son of an Iranian refugee?

Financing and opportunity ...

... and maybe something else ...

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Kees van Eeten wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

Now if only Trump would have thought of shaving his head ...

Mussolini was also fond of uniforms, how smart would your president
have have looked in such an outfit.

I had an optimistic hope that Trump would show up on his first day on the
job minus the fake tan, with a properly fitting suit and an appropriate
short hair cut reflecting that, yes, he was balding. And that he would surround himself with smart, responsible people to advise him.

Alas, that hope was short-lived.





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Lee Lofaso wrote to Terry Roati <=-

Gagarin made it into space. But crashed his airplane on Earth,
becoming the first cosmonaut to die in flight.

Gary Powers was shot down in a U-2 by a Soviet missile, was held as a prisoner, and survived to be sent back home to the US, where he later died
in a traffic helicopter crash.


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Lee Lofaso wrote to Ward Dossche <=-

What moonlanding?

The fake one that Walt Disney helped orchestrate, or the real Nazi German landings of 1945-1948 to build Mondbasis Ein on the far side of the moon?




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On 26/04/2021 01:43, 2203/2 wrote:

More Doctors Smoke Camels than Any Other [...]

Dromedary or Bactrian?

Not sure. Does it matter?

Bactrian are humpier.

We have many (dromedary) camels in Australia, but I'm not aware of anyone
sticking a match to them.

Makes `em run faster.
Ever watch the Arabian Derby?
Them camels can run!

And they were probably born in Australia. Australia sells shiploads of camels to Arabic countries.

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Dan,

Yes, but my point above was that there wasn't another space program that those people could have contributed to, back then.

I understand what you're saying, and you're not wrong at all. The simple fact however is there was no space-program at all at that time <period>.

Rocket development at that time was about creating a delivery vehicle for nuclear payloads transported outside the Earthly atmosphere and drop it from 200km up, straight on Red Square Moscow.

Atlas, which was that intended vehicle was too cumbersome to deploy as a first-strike weapon, and since the US would not perform a first strike, the Atlas vehicle would be useless as it would already have been disabled by the incoming first strike, who-ever the hostile nation was. With nuclear capable submarines it became obsolete anyhow but in a 2nd life it proved to be the lifesaver for what eventually would be the space program and launched about anything that was to be launched except the actual Moon missions.

So first there were the rockets, then came the space-program as a kind of a spin-off. Not the other way around ...

My view, of course.

Take care,

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Dan,

I think you're correct on all. Thanks.

Don't give me the idea I'm correct too often, I need some quality disaggreement to stay awake. 8-)

\%/@rd

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Hello Ward,

I think you're correct on all. Thanks.

Don't give me the idea I'm correct too often, I need some quality disaggreement to stay awake. 8-)

One word of advice: Never believe a word I say.
Or write, for that matter. But does anybody listen?
Nooooooo ...

--Lee

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Dan Clough wrote to Ward Dossche <=-

armwrestled to give Belgian military secrets (at this point, my
belly is wiggling so hard from a laughing cramp, it hurts) to the Russians.

Sounds like a Monty Python reference. They always had it in for the
Belgians.





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Ward Dossche wrote to Dan Clough <=-

Atlas, which was that intended vehicle was too cumbersome to deploy as
a first-strike weapon, and since the US would not perform a first
strike, the Atlas vehicle would be useless as it would already have
been disabled by the incoming first strike, who-ever the hostile nation was. With nuclear capable submarines it became obsolete anyhow but in a 2nd life it proved to be the lifesaver for what eventually would be the space program and launched about anything that was to be launched
except the actual Moon missions.

Atlas seemed like a stopgap for the orbital Mercury missions, but the Gemini missions used the Titan rocket- yet another missile-based launch platform.

Ditto for the Vostok/Soyuz launch plaforms - derived from missiles.

Too bad that the model rocket industry is so heavily western-leaning. I
would have liked to have an Energia model rocket with a ring of D rocket engines in the bottom. That would be a site to behold, but getting the
engine launch right would be tricky...






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