On 23 Mar 19 12:59:00, Roger Nelson said the following to All:

Hello All!

I have one...

Just one?

Nick

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I have one...

I need alcohol.

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On Sat Mar-23-2019 14:15, Nick Andre (1:229/426) wrote to Roger Nelson:

On 23 Mar 19 12:59:00, Roger Nelson said the following to All:

Hello All!

I have one...

Just one?

I had to start somewhere...


Regards,

Roger
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On Sat Mar-23-2019 21:08, Ward Dossche (2:292/854) wrote to Roger Nelson:

I have one...

I need alcohol.

I need aome,,,


Regards,

Roger
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Following up a message from Roger Nelson to Nick Andre:

On Sat Mar-23-2019 14:15, Nick Andre (1:229/426) wrote to Roger
Nelson:

On 23 Mar 19 12:59:00, Roger Nelson said the following to All:

Hello All!

I have one...

Just one?

I had to start somewhere...

I have many 0-byte VDM*.TMP files in the DB main directory. I'm wondering if those files are created during the times I ran DB from within Windows 10 just to keep that system updated.


Regards,

Roger
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I have many 0-byte VDM*.TMP files in the DB main directory. I'm
wondering if those files are created during the times I ran DB from
within Windows 10 just to keep that system updated.

Win10 and DB is a bad marriage I think.

\%/@rd

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I have many 0-byte VDM*.TMP files in the DB main directory. I'm
wondering if those files are created during the times I ran DB from WD>RN> within Windows 10 just to keep that system updated.

Win10 and DB is a bad marriage I think.

You're right. Win10 is buggier than Maine in June. Just for fun the other day, I setup my email client program (Outlook 2016), but it wouldn't let me in unless I signed up for Facebook. I'll have to talk to the Help Desk about this. Seeing no way around it, I made an ungentlemanly gesture at the monitor and dual-booted back to Win7.


Regards,

Roger

--- D'Bridge (SR41)
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You're right. Win10 is buggier than Maine in June. Just for fun the
other day, I setup my email client program (Outlook 2016), but it
wouldn't let me in unless I signed up for Facebook. I'll have to talk to the Help Desk about this. Seeing no way around it, I made an
ungentlemanly gesture at the monitor and dual-booted back to Win7.

Have had too many issues with Outlook. Won't touch it anymore with anything smaller than a 10-foot Pole ... :-)

\%/@rd

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On 24 Mar 19 22:54:33, Ward Dossche said the following to Roger Nelson:

Have had too many issues with Outlook. Won't touch it anymore with anything smaller than a 10-foot Pole ... :-)

Outlook has ran fine here for years...

Nick

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On 24 Mar 19 12:46:56, Roger Nelson said the following to Ward Dossche:

Win10 and DB is a bad marriage I think.

You're right. Win10 is buggier than Maine in June. Just for fun the other day, I setup my email client program (Outlook 2016), but it wouldn't let me

Windows 10 is too buggy for my tastes...

Nick

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On 24 Mar 19 04:17:26, Roger Nelson said the following to Nick Andre:

Just one?

I had to start somewhere...

I have many 0-byte VDM*.TMP files in the DB main directory. I'm wondering those files are created during the times I ran DB from within Windows 10 ju to keep that system updated.

Yes. This is a Windows issue. You may create an automatic event to DEL /S VDM*.TMP files.

Nick

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[...]

Have had too many issues with Outlook. Won't touch it anymore with
anything smaller than a 10-foot Pole ... :-)

In the past, Outlook would delete the mail from the server upon downloading, but it quit doing that, which forces me to logon to the server and do it manually. I have a hunch that Yahoo has something to do with that. Of course, I could go back to what Steve Quarella and I nicknamed "Lookout Express" to see if that solves the problem, but something tells me it won't.


Regards,

Roger

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On 24 Mar 19 12:46:56, Roger Nelson said the following to Ward Dossche:

Windows 10 is too buggy for my tastes...

The only reason I run it nowadays is to keep it updated just in case a miracle happens.


Regards,

Roger

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On 24 Mar 19 04:17:26, Roger Nelson said the following to Nick Andre:

[...]

Yes. This is a Windows issue. You may create an automatic event to DEL /S VDM*.TMP files.

I thought it created those files in Win10, but it doesn't.

I haven't run DEL /S since the late 90s. (-:


Regards,

Roger

--- D'Bridge (SR41)
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Have had too many issues with Outlook. Won't touch it anymore with

anything

smaller than a 10-foot Pole ... :-)

Outlook has ran fine here for years...

I've had an unrecoverable PST-file crash on 2 occasions. Now I use Thunderbird and leave everything on the server of the ISP.

\%/@rd

--- D'Bridge 3.99 SR41
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Have had too many issues with Outlook. Won't touch it anymore with RN>WD> anything smaller than a 10-foot Pole ... :-)

<you missed the pun>

In the past, Outlook would delete the mail from the server upon downloading, but it quit doing that, which forces me to logon to the
server and do it manually.

Even in the Outlook-2000 version this could be parametered ... I know ,,, I did it.

Of course, I could go back to what Steve Quarella and I
nicknamed "Lookout Express" to see if that solves the problem, but something tells me it won't.

Steve Querella ... yewww ... he came to Belgium once, had to be in my home town on a work assignment and I took him to dinner.

That was really a nice old-style Fido sysop. I liked him.

\%/@rd

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Have had too many issues with Outlook. Won't touch it anymore with WD>RN>WD> anything smaller than a 10-foot Pole ... :-)

<you missed the pun>

That's not the only thing I'm missing. (-:

In the past, Outlook would delete the mail from the server upon
downloading, but it quit doing that, which forces me to logon to the WD>RN> server and do it manually.

Even in the Outlook-2000 version this could be parametered ... I know ,,,
I did it.

I probably did it, too. Too far back to remember particulars.

Steve Querella ... yewww ... he came to Belgium once, had to be in my
home town on a work assignment and I took him to dinner.

Steve was a great guy. I don't know if he's still with us or not. I tried calling him on his cell phone several times and it went straight to voice mail.
In some respects, he and I were a lot alike. He was. at one time, our R19C and very popular.

That was really a nice old-style Fido sysop. I liked him.

Meý. He used to be on dopefish.com.


Regards,

Roger

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On 25 Mar 19 01:41:05, Roger Nelson said the following to Nick Andre:

Yes. This is a Windows issue. You may create an automatic event to DEL /S VDM*.TMP files.

I thought it created those files in Win10, but it doesn't.

I haven't run DEL /S since the late 90s. (-:

On this system, there is a script that runs whenever the system is
rebooted that does this and several other things... call it an "autoexec" for Windows.

Nick

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On 25 Mar 19 01:32:29, Roger Nelson said the following to Nick Andre:

On 24 Mar 19 12:46:56, Roger Nelson said the following to Ward Dossche:

Windows 10 is too buggy for my tastes...

The only reason I run it nowadays is to keep it updated just in case a mira happens.

Not being able to apply updates the way I want, or when I want, or shutting off all of the massive surveillance is enough for me to "just say no".

Nick

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On 25 Mar 19 08:06:21, Ward Dossche said the following to Nick Andre:

Outlook has ran fine here for years...

I've had an unrecoverable PST-file crash on 2 occasions. Now I use Thunderb and leave everything on the server of the ISP.

I guess "YMMV"...

My email is hosted on an Exchange server so there are no PST files, per say, but its a different level of babysitting to keep an Exchange system running.

Nick

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I thought it created those files in Win10, but it doesn't.

I haven't run DEL /S since the late 90s. (-:

On this system, there is a script that runs whenever the system is
rebooted that does this and several other things... call it an "autoexec" for Windows.

Same here. I also kill the $P2-files ... daily.

\%/@rd

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On 25 Mar 19 15:49:39, Ward Dossche said the following to Nick Andre:

On this system, there is a script that runs whenever the system is
rebooted that does this and several other things... call it an "autoexec" for Windows.

Same here. I also kill the $P2-files ... daily.

D'Bridge should not be leaving behind any $P2 files.

If there is a DBRIDGE.XMA file, what are its contents?

BTW - I love people who use that stupid broken Fastecho tosser.


Nick

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Same here. I also kill the $P2-files ... daily.

D'Bridge should not be leaving behind any $P2 files.

There's a difference between "should not" and "does not" ... I have found them occasionally so out they go.

If there is a DBRIDGE.XMA file, what are its contents?

Zero-length.

\%/@rd

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On 25 Mar 19 01:41:05, Roger Nelson said the following to Nick Andre:

[...]

I haven't run DEL /S since the late 90s. (-:

On this system, there is a script that runs whenever the system is
rebooted that does this and several other things... call it an "autoexec" for NA> Windows.

I like to watch what my system is doing. Assigned to a function key is a DOS program that can be called up and can sort the files in any manner you choose, which can then be selected and deleted. I've had it since the the late 80s and am stil using it.


Regards,

Roger

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On 25 Mar 19 01:32:29, Roger Nelson said the following to Nick Andre:

On 24 Mar 19 12:46:56, Roger Nelson said the following to Ward

Dossche:

]...]

Not being able to apply updates the way I want, or when I want, or
shutting off all of the massive surveillance is enough for me to "just
say no".

I don't blame you. I only logon once per month when I think the rollups are out to update the system.


Regards,

Roger

--- D'Bridge (SR41)
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You're right. Win10 is buggier than Maine in June. Just for fun the other day, I setup my email client program (Outlook 2016), but it wouldn't let
me in unless I signed up for Facebook. I'll have to talk to the Help Desk about this. Seeing no way around it, I made an ungentlemanly gesture at
the monitor and dual-booted back to Win7.

Microsoft is trying to drag everyone to the cloud, pushing and screaming. They would like nothing more than the next Windows be tied completely to the cloud and subscription. That will spell the end to them owning the desktop.

- Mark

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Not being able to apply updates the way I want, or when I want, or
shutting off all of the massive surveillance is enough for me to "just
say no".

Yeah, it's pretty bad when someone has to write a free program to keep a server OS from rebooting itself unscheduled.

I have been using a program called "DontSleep.exe" to keep Windows 2016 and 10 systems from going rogue.

https://www.softwareok.com/?seite=Microsoft/DontSleep

- Mark

--- WWIVToss v.1.52
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Microsoft is trying to drag everyone to the cloud, pushing and screaming. They would like nothing more than the next Windows be tied completely to the cloud and subscription. That will spell the end to them owning the desktop.

Yups ... no cloud for me ... I'll do something as bad as ... OMG ... Linux.

\%/@rd

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On 26 Mar 19 07:36:51, Mark Hofmann said the following to Roger Nelson:

Microsoft is trying to drag everyone to the cloud, pushing and screaming. They would like nothing more than the next Windows be tied completely to th cloud and subscription. That will spell the end to them owning the desktop

The thing is though, there is no OS ready to take over that ownership of the desktop if M$ went the cloud-route. Apple? A big maybe... but Chromebooks and Linux are out of the question.

Nick

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On Tue Mar-26-2019 07:36, Mark Hofmann (1:261/1304) wrote to Roger Nelson:

[...]

Microsoft is trying to drag everyone to the cloud, pushing and
screaming. They would like nothing more than the next Windows be
tied completely to the cloud and subscription. That will spell the
end to them owning the desktop.

There isn't enough money to pay for my desktop (although everyone has their own price). (-:

When people discover what a cloud really is, they'll avoid it like the plague.

... Uncle Remus to Uncle Ben - You're a credit to your rice.
-- Red Buttons

Regards,

Roger
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When people discover what a cloud really is, they'll avoid it like the plague.

If they have a brain ...

If they can be turned into zombies and high as if they were on crack, they'll go for it.

\%/@rd

--- D'Bridge 3.99 SR41
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Following up a message from Roger Nelson to Mark Hofmann:

On Tue Mar-26-2019 07:36, Mark Hofmann (1:261/1304) wrote to Roger
Nelson:

[...]

When people discover what a cloud really is, they'll avoid it like
the plague.

I should have paid attention to the alarm going off in my head when it (Win10) was offered to me FREE.

...You can lead a horse to water, but you can't get it to float on its back.

Regards,

Roger
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When people discover what a cloud really is, they'll avoid it like the WD>RN> plague.

If they have a brain ...

If they can be turned into zombies and high as if they were on crack, they'll go for it.

Then the millennials are a shoo-in because I think they actually believe in zombies. They surely like movies about them.


Regards,

Roger

--- D'Bridge (SR41)
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Yups ... no cloud for me ... I'll do something as bad as ... OMG ...
Linux.

Microsoft will make Linux very popular if they try to drag everyone to the cloud, for sure.

The cloud might make sense for small to medium sized companies, but that is about it. The average consumer will not pay a subscription for their OS. That is insane, especially since most people only need a web browser to function. They can do that on a cheap chrome book.

- Mark

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The thing is though, there is no OS ready to take over that ownership of the desktop if M$ went the cloud-route. Apple? A big maybe... but Chromebooks and Linux are out of the question.

Most large enterprise systems have moved to browser based web applications. There has been a big push for developers to move away from Windows and create "appliances" that run as VMs with some flavor of Linux under the hood.

If the organization can get to web only applications, they no longer require Windows. No doubt this isn't reality yet - but if M$ pushes organizations to the cloud, the "Plan B" approach will happen much quicker.

- Mark

--- WWIVToss v.1.52
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I should have paid attention to the alarm going off in my head when it (Win10) was offered to me FREE.

It will be refreshing when the desktop OS no longer holds people hostage.

- Mark

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On Wed Mar-27-2019 19:06, Mark Hofmann (1:261/1304) wrote to Roger Nelson:

I should have paid attention to the alarm going off in my head when it (Win10) was offered to me FREE.

It will be refreshing when the desktop OS no longer holds people
hostage.

Eons ago, when I was president of our local computer club, which consisted of just anout every available computer at the time (late 80s, early 90s), it was ALWAYS the Apple users who thought theirs were the best. I had, and was laughed at, an IBM PC jr, with two floppy drives and 384k of RAM. I wasn't asked to be president hecause of that, but because no one else wanted the job. I pulled everyone together to overcome our differences in order to understand the complexities of what the other guy was using. This was accomplished, believe it or not, in a few short months.

One of the members asked if he culd bring his to a meeting to demonstrate for wveryone how good it was. What it was, was the Commodore Amiga A500 and for me, it was love at first sight, but with two problems. 1) it was pricey and 2) no one was writing programs for it. I was able to edit some of its shorter BASIC programs to run on the IBM PC jr and I was convinced that the Amiga was the machine for me -- someday. I was told it used contiguous RAM and at that time, the board would accept up to 2MB. I don't know how true that is. I still couldn't afford it, so my next machine was a self-built IBM XT, but without the name on it. Then I got to use an IBM AT and what I now have will run circles around the AT. (-:

...At the end of the day it gets dark.


Regards,

Roger
--- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+ Aarti Mann
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Eons ago, when I was president of our local computer club, which
consisted of just anout every available computer at the time (late 80s, early 90s), it was ALWAYS the Apple users who thought theirs were the
best. I had, and was laughed at, an IBM PC jr, with two floppy drives and

I remember those times pretty well. There were far more hardware options for personal computers along with operating systems to go along with them.

The computer crowd that I was around back in that era didn't care as much what type of system being used. Very diverse systems at the time - you name it - I knew someone with it.

I started with a Commodore Vic-20 (which I won in a Mother's Day essay contest when I was 11 years old). It sat in my closet for months before I even decided to check it out. I had no interest in computers before winning it. One rainy day I broke it out of the box and toyed around with it. The rest was history.

About a year or two later, I bought an Apple //c brand new for $1000. I had several Apple systems until I was around 17 years old and sold all of the Apples and purchased a monster tower 286-12 system for $2000. I sold (2) Apple //c systems and a //gs. I never forgave Apple for dumping the // line.

Went from 286 to 386, 486, Pentium, etc..etc.. Bottom line is they are all technology and do cool things. That is what I enjoy..

- Mark

--- WWIVToss v.1.52
* Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (1:261/1304.0)

On Thu Mar-28-2019 20:26, Mark Hofmann (1:261/1304) wrote to Roger Nelson:

Eons ago, when I was president of our local computer club, which
consisted of just anout every available computer at the time (late 80s, early 90s), it was ALWAYS the Apple users who thought theirs were the
best. I had, and was laughed at, an IBM PC jr, with two floppy drives and

I remember those times pretty well. There were far more hardware
options for personal computers along with operating systems to go
along with them.

Thank you fpr taking my comment in the spirit in thich it was intended, I was, of course, referring to the egos of those particular Apple owners. Who could blame them? I mean they shelled out a good bit of coin for a machine that would run circles around what I owned. And yet, they wanted me as presidemt. Must have been the free spaghetti dinners I hosted at our monthly meetings. (-:

The computer crowd that I was around back in that era didn't care
as much what type of system being used. Very diverse systems at
the time - you name it - I knew someone with it.

I forgot to mention the Heath-Zenith crowd that didn't attend our meetings, so I went to one of theirs.

]...]

Went from 286 to 386, 486, Pentium, etc..etc.. Bottom line is they
are all technology and do cool things. That is what I enjoy..

I skipped past the 386 and went from 286 to 486. Fond memories from that time because I was running first OS/2 2.1, then 2.11 and finally Warp 3. I have Warp 4, but it won't install on this machine.


Regards,

Roger
--- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+ Amber Valletta
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On 28 Mar 19 20:26:13, Mark Hofmann said the following to Roger Nelson:

I started with a Commodore Vic-20 (which I won in a Mother's Day essay cont when I was 11 years old). It sat in my closet for months before I even decided to check it out. I had no interest in computers before winning it. One rainy day I broke it out of the box and toyed around with it. The rest was history.

The Vic 20 was really an underappreciated system for what it could do, if it was expanded to at least 8 or 16k.

About a year or two later, I bought an Apple //c brand new for $1000. I ha several Apple systems until I was around 17 years old and sold all of the Apples and purchased a monster tower 286-12 system for $2000. I sold (2) Apple //c systems and a //gs. I never forgave Apple for dumping the // lin

I *loved* the Apple // for the longest time, up until I got a Tandy 1000.

Nick

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
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Thank you fpr taking my comment in the spirit in thich it was intended, I was, of course, referring to the egos of those particular Apple owners.
Who could blame them? I mean they shelled out a good bit of coin for a machine that would run circles around what I owned. And yet, they wanted
me as presidemt. Must have been the free spaghetti dinners I hosted at
our monthly meetings. (-:

I did have to shovel lots of snow and cut lots of lawns back then to save up the cash for my first Apple //c. It was $999 at the time. All my computer friends at the time were on different systems. I had Atari, Amiga, TI-99, IBM XT, and plenty of other systems I can't think of at the moment - all were friends. Didn't matter to me at all, never came to mind.

I forgot to mention the Heath-Zenith crowd that didn't attend our
meetings, so I went to one of theirs.

I owned (and still have) several Heathkit Weather Stations that I built from kit form in that same era.

I skipped past the 386 and went from 286 to 486. Fond memories from that time because I was running first OS/2 2.1, then 2.11 and finally Warp 3.
I have Warp 4, but it won't install on this machine.

I remember Apple // ProDOS. Similar in ways to the PC's DOS. Started on DOS 3.3 on the PC, up through 5.0.. Remember Stacker?

Then off to Windows 3.1, NT 4, all the OS/2's and Windows Server versions ever since.

Who would have thought that I would eventually have the ability to run countless operating systems on the same physical server. I currently have (24) VMs running on my home ESXi cluster. Everything from CentOS, Debian, Ubuntu, Windows 7, 10, and 2008 R2 + 2016 server. All on the same system with plenty of room for growth..

- Mark

--- WWIVToss v.1.52
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The Vic 20 was really an underappreciated system for what it could do, if it was expanded to at least 8 or 16k.

It was my first. (computer). :) That is what started it all. The irony is I had zero interest in computers before winning it.

I *loved* the Apple // for the longest time, up until I got a Tandy 1000.

Me too! That is why I was so angry when Apple eventually dropped the // line. And they did it less than 6 months after I forked out $2000 for an Apple //gs!

That was the last Apple I ever touched. I was done with them after that.

- Mark

--- WWIVToss v.1.52
* Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (1:261/1304.0)

On Fri Mar-29-2019 19:04, Mark Hofmann (1:261/1304) wrote to Roger Nelson:

[...]

I forgot to mention the Heath-Zenith crowd that didn't attend our
meetings, so I went to one of theirs.

I owned (and still have) several Heathkit Weather Stations that I
built from kit form in that same era.

H-Z used an OS called the Z80,or maybe it was the processor (memory fades) and athough that users' group was congenial, I had noo interest in the system.

]...]

I remember Apple // ProDOS. Similar in ways to the PC's DOS.
Started on DOS 3.3 on the PC, up through 5.0.. Remember Stacker?

I never owned any type of Apple except the iPhone and could not tell you which machine I saw a demonstration of back in the early 90s. They were very nice machines, but way out of my price range.

Then off to Windows 3.1, NT 4, all the OS/2's and Windows Server
versions ever since.

I have all of that (I think) except the server edition and once had Windows 3.11 before the storm of 2005 took them away. You didn't have Windows 3.11?

Who would have thought that I would eventually have the ability to
run countless operating systems on the same physical server. I
currently have (24) VMs running on my home ESXi cluster.
Everything from CentOS, Debian, Ubuntu, Windows 7, 10, and 2008 R2
+ 2016 server. All on the same system with plenty of room for
growth..

The last time I fooled around with the *nix stuff was Mandrake 10.0, which I think I still have.


Regards,

Roger
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I have all of that (I think) except the server edition and once had
Windows 3.11 before the storm of 2005 took them away. You didn't have Windows 3.11?

It would be easier for me to list operating systems that I have never loaded. Here are a few that come to mind: Windows ME and Windows 8.

- Mark

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On Thu Apr-11-2019 20:55, Mark Hofmann (1:261/1304) wrote to Roger Nelson:

I have all of that (I think) except the server edition and once had
Windows 3.11 before the storm of 2005 took them away. You didn't have Windows 3.11?

It would be easier for me to list operating systems that I have
never loaded. Here are a few that come to mind: Windows ME and
Windows 8.

I think I have them all excep 8 and 8.1. I told a friend of mine who was griping anout 8 that M$ should have furnished everone woth a touch screen. (-:


Regards,

Roger
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I think I have them all excep 8 and 8.1. I told a friend of mine who was griping anout 8 that M$ should have furnished everone woth a touch
screen. (-:

Yeah, M$ was trying to make a single user experience from desktop/tablet/phone.
It failed miserably. So bad, they had to give Windows 10 away for free to keep desktop people from bailing.

Android/Apple still own the tablet and phone platforms. M$ has tried multiple times to get market share in the phone area. Windows CE comes to mind.

All are history at this point. I still say if M$ forces people and companies to the cloud on their next OS (if there is one), they will no longer own the desktop.
- Mark

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On Fri Apr-12-2019 20:24, Mark Hofmann (1:261/1304) wrote to Roger Nelson:

Yeah, M$ was trying to make a single user experience from desktop/tablet/phone. It failed miserably. So bad, they had to
give Windows 10 away for free to keep desktop people from bailing.

Android/Apple still own the tablet and phone platforms. M$ has
tried multiple times to get market share in the phone area.
Windows CE comes to mind.

All are history at this point. I still say if M$ forces people and companies to the cloud on their next OS (if there is one), they
will no longer own the desktop.

I think what is happening is that they are listening to themselves and not the users.


Regards,

Roger
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I think what is happening is that they are listening to themselves and
not the
users.

Agreed, and looking for the reaccurring revenue which is the holy grail for all tech companies these days. It is no longer "buy it once and pay for support". It is "lease everything forever". I'm not a fan of option #2.

- Mark

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