1. There are no Rules.well ok, here try this on for size and comfort.
2. See Rule number 1.
If anyone ever tells you that there is a certain
formula for CONSPRCY or a definite method of engaging
in CONSPRCY, then that person does not know about
CONSPRCY. In that case, just assume that he/she/it
does not know what he/she/it is talking about.
Lee LofasoNot sure if this fits as a bona-fide conspiracy are not?
Moderator
CONSPRCY echo
2013-05-03
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1. There are no Rules.
2. See Rule number 1.
If anyone ever tells you that there is a certain
formula for CONSPRCY or a definite method of engaging
in CONSPRCY, then that person does not know about
CONSPRCY. In that case, just assume that he/she/it
does not know what he/she/it is talking about.
well ok, here try this on for size and comfort.
Lee Lofaso
Moderator
CONSPRCY echo
2013-05-03
* Origin: news://eljaco.se:4119 (2:203/2)
Not sure if this fits as a bona-fide conspiracy are not?
Aren't you in the U.S. 'down in the bayou' last I knew.
A swampy kinda of place; Twin to the Planet Dagobah as seen in Star Wars.
If that is true, then why is your origin coming out of Zone 2?
Is this because you do not have a node in Zone 1?
What does it matter where one's origin happens to be?It's no mystery.
Fidonet began with nothing more than a handful of friends
in a local area. The idea of zones did not come about until
much later, when Tom Jennings decided it was a good idea -
without stating any known reason as to why.
Hello Greg,Weblog? It's a video documentary there are 8 chapters.
Please feel free to invite Tom Jennings to this forum so he can
answer the question himself.
Check out Jason Scott's BBS Documentary Chapter 4 covering Fidonet on youtube
As you see this you will then be aware that you have no idea of what abt.
Jason Scott is a technological historian. While his history of
Fidonet is an excellent weblog, it does not address the issue under discussion - the idea of zones in Fidonet.
No mention of zones was ever made until Tom Jennings brought itbefore the -switchover- to fidonet, it was fido and this had a 250 node limit, as indicated by Ben Baker within the BBS documentary chapter 4 covering fidonet.
up for inclusion in Fidonet Policy 4.01 - with no explanation given
as to why.
So tell me. Why are zones necessary for Fidonet?
I brought up this very subject. There used to be six zones in Fidonet,
and then it was decided by whatever powers that be that only four zones were needed. After that was done, another question was raised. Why not
go to three zones? Oh, could not do that. Would have to change all the zone numbers and would be far too much trouble ...
Bottom Line -You are aware that Fidonet spans around the entire globe right, for this
There is no sound reason for having zones or zone numbers in Fidonet.
Jason Scott is a technological historian. While his history of
Fidonet is an excellent weblog, it does not address the issue under
discussion - the idea of zones in Fidonet.
Weblog? It's a video documentary there are 8 chapters.
Chapter 4 covers fidonet, it is available on youtube.com
As the documentary states the zones within U.S. and North America
were based on NCAA Basketball brackets.
Ben Baker explains in the documentary that they tried to make it so these new zones (that they were carving out via a Map of the U.S.)
They tried to make it to be equal population, proportional to each other.
I find this history really interesting for many reasons as I am the fidonet
hub here for all of New York State.
No mention of zones was ever made until Tom Jennings brought it
up for inclusion in Fidonet Policy 4.01 - with no explanation given
as to why.
So tell me. Why are zones necessary for Fidonet?
before the -switchover- to fidonet, it was fido and this had a 250 node limit, as indicated by Ben Baker within the BBS documentary chapter 4 covering fidonet.
A few years ago
I brought up this very subject. There used to be six zones inFidonet,
and then it was decided by whatever powers that be that only fourzones
were needed. After that was done, another question was raised. Whynot
go to three zones? Oh, could not do that. Would have to change allthe
zone numbers and would be far too much trouble ...
I have no what your talking about or where you get your information.
Bottom Line -
There is no sound reason for having zones or zone numbers in Fidonet.
You are aware that Fidonet spans around the entire globe right, for this reason zones were and continue to be very much necessary.
Hello Greg,
[..]
Jason Scott is a technological historian. While his history of
Fidonet is an excellent weblog, it does not address the issue under
discussion - the idea of zones in Fidonet.
Weblog? It's a video documentary there are 8 chapters.
Weblog is terminology for video documentary.
All 8 chapters are online, free to watch.
Weblog? It's a video documentary there are 8 chapters.
Weblog is terminology for video documentary.
All 8 chapters are online, free to watch.
To be clear the term Weblog was improperly defined by you. a video documentary.
A weblog as per Google is another word for a blog.
and just in case you were wondering a"BLOG" which is a regularly updated website or web page.
What I suggested was simply goto youtube.com and watch The BBS documentary chapter 4 covering Fidonet.
This will do two things...
1. It will provide that I was right as it relates to the facts of the formerly mentioned Jason Scott documentary.
2. It will provide a correction to what you thought you new, which in this case is called a education.
It is an excellent history or video documentary. But like all
histories (or documentaries) it is an interpretation.
truth as told by The Union what really happened during the US Civil
War? Was the truth as told by The Confederacy what really happened
during the US Civil War? Depends on who was telling the tale, and
who was listening.
The same is true in regards to the history ofFidonet.
I have no idea as to who is right and who is wrong. It could beI counted at least 1500, I used last weeks nodelist that came out last Friday 01/13/2023 I can break them down by zone also, but that will require more time. Just take a look at the latest Nodelist that comes out this Friday. As it is
both are wrong, and far from the mark.
As can plainly be seen, there is no rhyme or reason as to why thereThe BBS Documentary speaks to the peak also. I think it is greater then 34,000
should be any zones in Fidonet. There never has been a need, even in Fidonet's heyday of 34,000+ sysops worldwide.
So why did Tom Jennings insist on Fidonet include 6 zones in P4?You need to understand a few key points here...
And why did sysops later decide to drop two zones, with the excuse
there were not enough sysops in those parts to justify them?
How many sysops does it take to justify the need for a separate zone? LL>To my earlier point your not even zone 1.
It is an excellent history or video documentary. But like all
histories (or documentaries) it is an interpretation.
So you finally watched it OR perhaps you did not watch the documentary at all, due to you calling it an interpretation, that could be said for some documentaries but this, is not one of those times.
Simply due to the actual people that were interviewed, these were the very individuals that they were making and living within this historical past.
People like Tom Jennings and Ben Baker, and Ward Christensen as well as others.
Jason Scott did NOT narrate this documentary nearly to any degree.
The people who were interviewed did the majority of talking as they spoke about the factual historical past of Fidonet.
You would know this to be true, if you watched the documentary.
truth as told by The Union what really happened during the US Civil
War? Was the truth as told by The Confederacy what really happened
during the US Civil War? Depends on who was telling the tale, and
who was listening.
Your civil war thing is nothing more than your an attempt of a distraction.
I follow the Civil War too, it was far from civil, but that will be a discussion for another day.
But I will say the Brains were in the North and apparently this is remains true even today.
The same is true in regards to the history of Fidonet.
Nice try trying to rope me into whatever that was.
No Fidonet is not like that at all, by the way.
I have no idea as to who is right and who is wrong. It could be
both are wrong, and far from the mark.
I counted at least 1500, I used last weeks nodelist that came out last Friday 01/13/2023 I can break them down by zone also, but that will require
more time.
Just take a look at the latest Nodelist that comes out this Friday. As it is
is available each Friday.
As can plainly be seen, there is no rhyme or reason as to why there
should be any zones in Fidonet. There never has been a need, even in
Fidonet's heyday of 34,000+ sysops worldwide.
The BBS Documentary speaks to the peak also. I think it is greater then 34,000
So why did Tom Jennings insist on Fidonet include 6 zones in P4?
And why did sysops later decide to drop two zones, with the excuse
there were not enough sysops in those parts to justify them?
You need to understand a few key points here...
(points that I have been trying to make, for at least a few messages now)
In the beginning it was fido-bbs software not fidonet, fido had a 250 node limit.
Fidonet allowed a better structure for growth and it has lasted to the 21st
century.
As it continues to roll on ever forward.
Zone 1 Consists of North America - U.S. and Canada.
How many sysops does it take to justify the need for a separate zone?
To my earlier point your not even zone 1.
History is a combination of facts and interpretation. Not just anyThere is no need for a interpretation of which is far more related to talking out of your ass. This means you're essentially guessing or assuming something; hence you're purely speculating, when it comes to being interpretive.
history, but all history. Regardless of subject or subject matter.
The reason why is simple - the North won the war and the South lost.Right the south wanted to continue to have slaves, these are the same people behind the Democratic Party.
Imagine the world today if Nazis had won WWII, with people from
around the world praising Adolf Hitler as being a visionary figure
rather than an evil madman.
Fidonet began with a small number of sysops, and expanded to a much
larger number worldwide. Some, like Tom Jennings, only participated for
a few years. Others stayed on for decades.
As he should have, in my opinion it was and is currently is considered to be a a great achievement and even a masterpiece, Fidonet is only ONE chapter among EIGHT chapters that are covered within The BBS Documentary.for it.Jason Scott did NOT narrate this documentary nearly to any degree.He was instrumental in putting it on the web, and took full credit
* Origin: The File Bank BBS! https://tfb-bbs.org (3:712/1321)The people who were interviewed did the majority of talking as they s
So why did Tom Jennings insist on Fidonet include 6 zones in P4?
And why did sysops later decide to drop two zones, with the excuse
there were not enough sysops in those parts to justify them?
How many sysops does it take to justify the need for a separate zone?
You are aware that Fidonet spans around the entire globe right, for this reason zones were and continue to be very much necessary.
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