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  • AMIGA Moderator?

    From Gary McCulloch@1:154/50 to All on Fri May 15 20:01:14 2020
    Not found in the ELIST.RPT - Needs Updating...

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------- TAGname: AMIGA Group: FIDO

    TITLe: Commodore Amiga

    Lang: ENGLISH

    DESCription:
    This conference is a friendly meeting place for owners and users
    of Commodore Amiga Computer, including the A500, A600 A1000, A1200
    A1500, A2000, A2500, A3000, A4000, and AmigaOne. Also to include
    the CDTV and CD32 consoles, computers and peripherals.

    RULEs: {Not Found}

    MODerator: {Not Found}
    Email:

    COMODerator1: {Not Found}
    Email: {Not Found}

    VOLume: 10/month

    ORIGIN: {Not Found}

    RESTrictions: {None on Record}

    DISTribution: All Zones

    GATEway: None

    Language: ENGLISH

    From: {Not Found}
    Email:

    Updated on: 2020/05/15 and expires latest 2021/05/15 --------------------------------------------------------------------------

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Gary McCulloch on Fri May 15 19:02:16 2020
    Not found in the ELIST.RPT - Needs Updating...

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------- TAGname: AMIGA Group: FIDO

    TITLe: Commodore Amiga

    Lang: ENGLISH

    DESCription:
    This conference is a friendly meeting place for owners and users
    of Commodore Amiga Computer, including the A500, A600 A1000, A1200
    A1500, A2000, A2500, A3000, A4000, and AmigaOne. Also to include
    the CDTV and CD32 consoles, computers and peripherals.

    MODerator: {Not Found}
    Email:

    Allen Prunty was the last moderator of the Amiga area but he is AWOL. Don't know when or if he'll be back. You could update the area in the echolist if you like.

    --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Gary McCulloch on Sat May 16 13:50:08 2020
    Hi Gary,

    On 2020-05-16 06:10:08, you wrote to me:

    WV: AI> Allen Prunty was the last moderator of the Amiga area but he
    is AWOL.

    WV: No he wasn't. He tried to hijack it, but failed...

    As an Amiga owner yourself, you feel this area does not need a
    Moderator or rules?

    I "feel" that about a lot of areas.

    Who did Allen tried to hijack it from?

    There wasn't a moderator around in 2015 when he out of the blue posted area rules pretending to be the moderator. That's what I call hijacking.

    Bye, Wilfred.

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    * Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)
  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to mark lewis on Sat May 16 18:46:16 2020
    Hi mark,

    On 2020-05-16 12:01:40, you wrote to me:

    how can it be hijacked if it is not listed and doesn't have a
    moderator? you cannot have it both ways ;)

    He posted area rules as moderator out of the blue, without even
    consulting the area participants first. I call that hijacking...

    moderators do not have to consult anyone about anything regarding their echo ;)

    He never was the moderator...


    Bye, Wilfred.

    --- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
    * Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)
  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Wilfred van Velzen on Sat May 16 17:07:52 2020
    Re: Re: AMIGA Moderator?
    By: Wilfred van Velzen to mark lewis on Sat May 16 2020 18:46:17


    how can it be hijacked if it is not listed and doesn't have a
    moderator? you cannot have it both ways ;)

    He posted area rules as moderator out of the blue, without even
    consulting the area participants first. I call that hijacking...

    moderators do not have to consult anyone about anything regarding their echo ;)

    He never was the moderator...

    he was when he relisted it since it had fallen off the echolist back in ~2003... for an area to be carried on the backbone, it needs to be listed in the echolist and have a moderator... that means that the area was non-existant until he brought it back... if there was another area of the same name that someone cross linked to this one, then that's a different problem... one that should have been straightened out back then...

    if the area is not listed and has no moderator, then it will be removed from the backbone distribution when backbone.na is updated...

    so, is it to be listed and carried by the backbone or no?


    )\/(ark
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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Richard Menedetter on Sat May 16 17:13:06 2020
    Re: AMIGA Moderator?
    By: Richard Menedetter to Alan Ianson on Sat May 16 2020 22:35:50


    You can read the story back here in the echo.

    i have only 328 messages in this area since Sept 2018... there is no such story available here or from any of my backbone links... AFAIK, my system retains the most messages of all of the backbone stars...

    perhaps you would be so kind as to post a URL to the echo for the time period in question? that would be better than assuming that everyone can retrieve historical messages to match your local message base..


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to GARY MCCULLOCH on Sat May 16 19:10:00 2020
    We need to see if we can hunt him down. If not, maybe vote on who sho
    d step into the Moderator and Co-Moderator spot. The more active this echo is
    the better it stands as an active echo on FidoNet. We will also need a AMIGA.
    L (This Echos Rules).

    He was my local net hub. He was down forever and at some point they finally delisted him. If you want to list the echo I would suggest you do it.

    Mike

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to MARK LEWIS on Sat May 16 19:12:00 2020
    So maybe we need to move on.

    yup... list the echo if you like...

    If he shows back up, we can always offer him the spot back. What
    does everyone here think?

    that would be up to the new moderator but it would be a good gesture...

    How does one currently ELIST a Zone 1 echo? I thought the coordinator had passed on and the post was empty?

    Mike

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to mark lewis on Sun May 17 13:10:58 2020


    Hi mark,

    On 2020-05-16 17:07:52, you wrote to me:

    Re: Re: AMIGA Moderator?
    By: Wilfred van Velzen to mark lewis on Sat May 16 2020 18:46:17

    Btw: Why are you repeating what is already in the header?

    He never was the moderator...

    he was when he relisted it since it had fallen off the echolist back in ~2003...

    Listing an area on a random list, that doesn't have any official status, doesn't make one the moderator.

    for an area to be carried on the backbone, it needs to be listed in
    the echolist and have a moderator... that means that the area was non-existant until he brought it back...

    No the area still existed every where else. The 3 systems that make up the so called backbone, don't define the existence of which ever area.

    if there was another area of the same name that someone cross linked
    to this one, then that's a different problem... one that should have
    been straightened out back then...

    You're funny.

    if the area is not listed and has no moderator, then it will be
    removed from the backbone distribution when backbone.na is updated...

    So how come you are still connected to this area, since it dropped out of the elist early 2018. And the wannabe moderator last posted in 2016 in this area...?

    so, is it to be listed and carried by the backbone or no?

    That's up to the "backbone". They are just 3 systems that play a minor role in echomail distribution in fidonet. So I don't care...

    Bye, Wilfred.

    --- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
    * Origin: Amiga Offline BBS Lisse (2:280/464)
  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Richard Menedetter on Sun May 17 11:54:38 2020
    Hi Alan!

    I was here as well, and it did not go down with me and others at all that he hijacked this echo without consulting BEFORE in the echo, where he had access, as he was able to post his new "rules".

    Yep, you & Wilfred created the same stir then as now.

    I agree Allen should have brought the moderator situation to the echo before posting rules etc. That is what Gary did so that is why I supported him.

    I don't think that Allen, Gary or anyone else being moderator makes them "The BOSS of you" or anything like that.

    Anyway, I have said what I have to say and with that I'll drop this thread and leave the echo as it was.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to MARK LEWIS on Sun May 17 17:24:00 2020
    echos must be in the echolist before they can be carried by the backbone...

    echos are added/removed to/from the backbone by request of the moderator follow
    ng established procedures in the backbone's public echo... echos may also be re
    oved from the backbone if their listing falls out of the echolist for too long.

    I think this is one of those "Z1 does it different than Z2" things.

    The Z1 moderator was MIA. Allen relisted it in the Z1 echolist, which has
    no bearing on the Z2 folks.

    Mike

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  • From Phillip Taylor@1:275/201.30 to All on Mon May 18 00:43:40 2020
    On Sat 16-May-2020 19:10 , Mike Powell@1:2320/105.0 said to Gary Mcculloch:
    @CHRS: ASCII 1
    We need to see if we can hunt him down. If not, maybe vote on
    who sho
    d step into the Moderator and Co-Moderator spot. The more active this
    echo is
    the better it stands as an active echo on FidoNet. We will also need a
    AMIGA.
    L (This Echos Rules).

    He was my local net hub. He was down forever and at some point they finally
    delisted him. If you want to list the echo I would suggest you do it.

    Mike

    If the moderator is no longer active then I volunteer to do it.
    --- CNet/5
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  • From Gary McCulloch@1:154/50 to Richard Menedetter on Tue May 19 07:37:40 2020
    .-: On Mon 18-May-2020 9:37p, Richard Menedetter@2:310/31.0 said to Gary
    RM: For me it would be interesting if you will stick with the rules not found, RM: and how you see the role of a fiodnet moderator in 2020.


    IF I was elected Moderator....

    The AMIGA echo would be a staple on the FidoNet backbone. It would be a standard echo offered from all HUBs, not just an elective. For me, I had to request for this echo to be added. This should not be the case.

    Rules... Well, I would have to create a AMIGA.RUL to go with the AMIGA echo. But I would like the members of this echo and those interested in this echo to contribute to the writing of these rules.

    As for my role, well it would be to try to keep this echo active. Trying tro spark AMIGA discussions on various topics. With Amiga Hardware old and new still out there, Software still being made. Old software being found. Emulators allowing peaple to load Workbench and play old games, music and utilties. I think this echo should flourish.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Fri May 22 10:58:00 2020
    Do you, the readers of this area support Gary?
    Gary for Moderator? Yes/No

    Yes

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  • From Richard Menedetter@2:310/31 to Alan Ianson on Mon Jun 1 12:07:42 2020
    Hi Alan!

    19 May 2020 11:52, from Alan Ianson -> Gary McCulloch:

    Once an echo is carried by the backbone each of the stars will have
    the area and make it available to others

    What exactly do you mean by _THE_backbone.
    There is no such thing in official fidonet backbone.
    There are fidonet nodes, and they can have links to other nodes.
    For the sake of redundancy they should have more than one link per echo, so the distribution is not disrupted if one of the nodes stops forwarding for whatever reason.

    There is a group of 3 (?) people that call themselves the north American backbone.

    They have NO special role ... if they carry an echo great.
    If not you can get it from somewhere else ... no big problem.

    In any case if you would like to moderate this area I support you.

    I have not read the proposed rules.
    So I cannot comment if I am in support of that or not.

    You'll need the support of the users of the area, at least a mojority
    of the users.

    Naturally!

    If folks could post there support for Garry with a yes or no I think that's enough.
    Do you, the readers of this area support Gary?
    Gary for Moderator? Yes/No

    I have not seen the proposed rules.
    Maybe I missed it? (if yes please feel free to point me to them)

    Until then a No.

    CU, Ricsi

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  • From Gary McCulloch@1:154/50 to Alan Ianson on Wed Jun 3 11:29:18 2020
    .-: On Sun 31-May-2020 9:58p, Alan Ianson@1:153/757.0 said to Gary
    AI: I have seen two or three posts where you were supported so I would say go AI: ahead and do that if you are still thinking about it.

    AI: Did you get the files I sent you?

    AI: Feel free to netmail or email me if I can help at all.

    Yes, thank you for you support and help. I filled out the form and sent it in. I have not heard anything yet about that.

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  • From Gary McCulloch@1:154/50 to All on Wed Jun 3 11:32:14 2020
    Suggestions anyone?



    AMIGA.RUL

    This is the The Amiga International Echo, tag name AMIGA

    Moderator: Gary McCulloch

    This echo offers discussions for the Commodore Amiga Hardware and Software. Topics which are on-topic include the Amiga, Hardware, Software,
    Workbench, and Amiga emulation programs.

    Including the A500, A600 A1000, A1200 A1500, A2000, A2500, A3000, A4000,
    and AmigaOne. Also to include the CDTV and CD32 consoles, computers and peripherals. WinUAE and AmigaForever emulators.

    Thanks!
    Gary McCulloch
    1:154/50, spitfiretn{at}hotmail.com

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