On 04-08-19 16:02, Bob Ackley <=-
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Definitely. The people of Puerto Rico are American citizens, albeit
without representation in the Congress.

I don't think they get to vote for president, either, unless they have
an official residence in a state and can vote absentee there

That is unfortunately true. I've heard that many of them are moving to
Miami so that they can vote in the next presidential election.

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On 04-08-19 16:02, Bob Ackley <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Gibraltar <=-

Definitely. The people of Puerto Rico are American citizens,

albeit

without representation in the Congress.

I don't think they get to vote for president, either, unless

they have

an official residence in a state and can vote absentee there

That is unfortunately true. I've heard that many of them are moving

to

Miami so that they can vote in the next presidential election.

There's a very simple reason why they can't vote for president - nor
can residents of American Samoa and the Mariana Islands, which are also
US possessions.

The reason is that the president is elected by the states, not by the
people, and that's why the Electoral College is set up the way it is
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The reason is that the president is elected by the states, not by the people, and that's why the Electoral College is set up the way it is

And nobody has ever complained until recently.

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The reason is that the president is elected by the states, not by the at>BA> people, and that's why the Electoral College is set up the way it is

And nobody has ever complained until recently.

There have been remarks in the past as well but by people who do not understand the full meaning of the system.

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There have been remarks in the past as well but by people who do not understand
the full meaning of the system.

The last time I remember it having any vigor was after the 2000 election.
The sore losers were from the same side as this time, and were so equally confident that they could win without trying that they were also beside themselves with disbelief when they lost.

The difference between last time and this time was that last time was
followed fairly shortly by 9/11. The country forgot the election and pulled back together. This time, they've just kept on in disbelief and trying to
come up with ways to fix something that is not broken.

Basically, if they "fix the system," they know that they can pretty much
fix every Presidential election from here on out so that they never lose.

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Basically, if they "fix the system," they know that they can pretty much fix every Presidential election from here on out so that they never lose.

My opinion is that the Presidency needs to be redefined.

I don't think that today it is what the founding fathers intended.

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My opinion is that the Presidency needs to be redefined.
I don't think that today it is what the founding fathers intended.

Between the media in general, and social media in particular, I think they
have become more of a celebrity than anything. I think the definition
itself is fine. If a President tried to be what they used to be (to be in
the media less) I think they media will turn on them.

I am not sure how you change things to make them different, besides taking
away their social media access while they are in office. I think that
would be wonderful.

Another thing that has happened over the years is that the citizens seem to have less respect for the office. While that is no doubt partially do to
the actions of some of the people who have been in the office, I do not
think that is all of it. We have more media outlets, online and TV, than
we did when I was younger. I am not sure if the competition for the next
big scoop, viewers, and advertising dollars has caused this, but the media coverage overall seems to be much more negative and sensationalized than I
ever remember it being.

I suspect that also has a relationship to our respect level for the office.

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The reason is that the president is elected by the states, not

by the

people, and that's why the Electoral College is set up the way

it is

And nobody has ever complained until recently.

Actually they have, every time somebody loses the election in the
Electoral College
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There have been remarks in the past as well but by people who do not understand
the full meaning of the system.

The last time I remember it having any vigor was after the 2000

election.

The sore losers were from the same side as this time, and were so

equally

confident that they could win without trying that they were also

beside

themselves with disbelief when they lost.

The difference between last time and this time was that last time was followed fairly shortly by 9/11. The country forgot the election and

pulled

back together. This time, they've just kept on in disbelief and

trying to

come up with ways to fix something that is not broken.

Basically, if they "fix the system," they know that they can pretty

much

fix every Presidential election from here on out so that they never

lose.

If they abolish the electoral college, then the election will be
decided by Boston, New York City, Washington DC, Chicago, Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Denver and, maybe, Dallas. All except maybe
Dallas are bastions of Corruptocrats. Nobody else need bother to vote
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Basically, if they "fix the system," they know that they can

pretty much

fix every Presidential election from here on out so that they

never lose.

My opinion is that the Presidency needs to be redefined.

I don't think that today it is what the founding fathers intended.

The founders didn't envision political office as a permanent full time
job, they assumed that such public offices would be held AFTER one's non-government career
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The reason is that the president is elected by the states, not by the people, and that's why the Electoral College is set up the way it is

And nobody has ever complained until recently.

because they thought that Hillary had it, all wrapped up...

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I don't think that today it is what the founding fathers intended.

The founding fathers also had another tradition; it involved the guilty to be tarred and feathered and carried through the cobblestone streets of Boston.

I think it is about time we return to the old ways.

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The reason is that the president is elected by the states,

not by the

people, and that's why the Electoral College is set up the

way it is

And nobody has ever complained until recently.
because they thought that Hillary had it, all wrapped up...

Actually, some people have been b*tching about it for years if not
decades. Always the losers, though...
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Re: Re: Peurto Rico
By: BOB ACKLEY to GREGORY DEYSS on Wed Apr 17 2019 04:36 pm

The reason is that the president is elected by the states,
people, and that's why the Electoral College is set up the

way it is

And nobody has ever complained until recently.
because they thought that Hillary had it, all wrapped up...

Actually, some people have been b*tching about it for years if not decades. Always the losers, though...

We had the same thing happen with Bush and Al Gore. We had to turn to florida's electoral votes the the winner. Gore won the popular vote. We had to put up with Bush for another Eight years. But nobody cried about changing the elctoral system. In other words... Suck it up!
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Hello Steve,

> at> BA>> The reason is that the president is elected by the states,
> at> BA>> people, and that's why the Electoral College is set up the
BA> way it is
> at>> And nobody has ever complained until recently.
> at>> because they thought that Hillary had it, all wrapped up...

BA> Actually, some people have been b*tching about it for years if not
BA> decades. Always the losers, though...

We had the same thing happen with Bush and Al Gore. We had to turn to >florida's electoral votes the the winner. Gore won the popular vote. We had
to put up with Bush for another Eight years. But nobody cried about
changing ethe lctoral system. In other words... Suck it up!

We can ignore the electoral college system and replace it with
direct election. No need to change the US Constitution by adding
an amendment (to do away with the 12th amendment).

The voters have their say, with the candidate getting the most
popular votes being declared the winner. No need for a second
election, or a third, as the likelihood of a tie would be slim
to none, closer to none.

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We can ignore the electoral college system and replace it with
direct election. No need to change the US Constitution by adding

Fine with me, but let's wait until we've got a democrat in the white house :)

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Hello Aaron,

We can ignore the electoral college system and replace it with
direct election. No need to change the US Constitution by adding

Fine with me, but let's wait until we've got a democrat in the white house
:)

Hillary Clinton received almost 3 million votes more than
her nearest opponent in the 2016 presidential election, and
still lost, even though almost all those extra votes were
from California.

Kamala Harris is from California. Just think how many more votes
she will get over her nearest opponent in the 2020 election. Even
if she loses the other 49 states, and DC, she will still come out
on top.

Just think if Kamala Harris pairs up with that Irishman from Texas.
What a jig that would be. Harris/O'Roarke winning 2 states, along
with having 100+ million more votes than Trump/Pence ...

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Hello Aaron,

We can ignore the electoral college system and replace it with
direct election. No need to change the US Constitution by adding

Fine with me, but let's wait until we've got a democrat in the white house
:)

Why wait?

The electoral college system is actually a process rather
than an actual vote. A polite fiction that would be best
done away with than continued in this modern day and age.

Other countries with electoral college systems include -

* Burundi
* Estonia
* Italy
* Kazakhstan
* Madagascar
* Myanmar
* Pakistan
* Trinidad and Tobago
* Vanautu

Is that what we want? To have an archaic system that simply
does not work, and fails to reflect the needs and wants of a modern
democracy?

Certainly we can do better. And deserve better.

"Democracy means simply the bludgeoning of the people by the people
for the people." ~Oscar Wilde

The electoral college came into being with the 12th amendment,
which was ratified in 1804. Since then, five elections and one
non-election (1820) have taken place in which the loser of the
popular vote was declared the winner due to the outcome of the
electoral college (most recently in 2016).

In fact, two of the past three presidents can thank the electoral
college for having saved their political careers (both of them
failed businessmen).

Perhaps we made a mistake by eliminating royalty in America.
Think of what we could have made for ourselves had George Washington
declared himself king rather than president. We could have had
ourselves a monarchy, just like the UK, Denmark, Japan, Norway,
and Sweden.

Not sure how we would have fared had King George I declared himself
Emperor, like what they have in Japan. Except our emperors would
have ruled the Washingtonian throne from Mt. Vernon rather than the Chrysanthemum throne from Japan's mountaintop.

Better we let candidates run until one of them wins. Direct
election majority rule (50% + 1).

In sports, we have overtime, the best of 7, etc. So why not
elections? No more need for primaries and all that pre-game stuff.
Just let the candidates themselves duke it out. All by themselves.
Making all the speeches they want. Until the voters pull the
trigger, electing their candidate of choice.

In a direct election between 2 candidates, I doubt there will
be any need for extended play, as with so many voters having their
own say, it is doubtful there will be a tie.

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Hillary Clinton received almost 3 million votes more than

Bush lost the popular vote against Al Gore, but still won the electoral vote. Why was everyone ok with that? (for the most part?)

Bush started an armed conflict with 2 nations, neither nation did anything to us, but that's ok and we all love him despite that he didn't try to secure
our borders.

Now we've got another sneaky Republican who's pulled the same trick in our election, but he's getting all kinds of hate because he wants to secure the border with Mexico, stands with Israel, and supports Christian values.

Kamala Harris is from California. Just think how many more votes

Kamala could kill the popular vote for sure, but she's going to have the same problem as Hillary with the electoral vote. The electoral voters are probably not interested in someone who's big campaign promises are "Sue ourselves" and "Let's get stoned and listen to gangsta rap."

Just think if Kamala Harris pairs up with that Irishman from Texas.

Anything to win popular votes, right? But nothing to win electoral votes.

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Bush started an armed conflict with 2 nations, neither nation did
anything to us, ...

Only 2 ?

* Afghanistan
* Iraq
* North-West Pakistan
* Somalia
* Operation Ocean Shield

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Hillary Clinton received almost 3 million votes more than

Bush lost the popular vote against Al Gore, but still won the electoral vote. Why was everyone ok with that? (for the most part?)

Bush started an armed conflict with 2 nations, neither nation did
anything to us, but that's ok and we all love him despite that he didn't try to secure our borders.

Now we've got another sneaky Republican who's pulled the same trick in
our election, but he's getting all kinds of hate because he wants to secure the border with Mexico, stands with Israel, and supports
Christian values.

Kamala Harris is from California. Just think how many more votes

Kamala could kill the popular vote for sure, but she's going to have the same problem as Hillary with the electoral vote. The electoral voters
are probably not interested in someone who's big campaign promises are "Sue ourselves" and "Let's get stoned and listen to gangsta rap."

Just think if Kamala Harris pairs up with that Irishman from Texas.

Kamala Harris does not have a snowball chance in hell, with Beto or anybody else (including herself) for that matter.

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Hello Aaron,

Hillary Clinton received almost 3 million votes more than

Bush lost the popular vote against Al Gore, but still won the electoral
vote. Why was everyone ok with that? (for the most part?)

The Florida legislator was prepared to ditch the popular vote
had all valid votes cast been counted, showing Gore the winner.
That would have enabled the Florida legislature to name its
own electors, which would have voted for GWB. Remember, the
Florida legislature was controlled by Republicans at the time.
With Kathleen Harris, a Republican, as Secretary of State.

This was not acceptable to Democrats, most Independents, and
many Republicans who were aware of what was going on. It was
a rigged election, plain and simple.

Then came the USSC decision, the 9 justices voting 5-4 in
favor of GWB, making it the closest election in US history.

Bush started an armed conflict with 2 nations, neither nation did anything
to us, but that's ok and we all love him despite that he didn't try to
secure our borders.

GWB was incompetent. But not quite as incompetent as what we
have today. Afghanistan hardly qualified as a nation back then,
and hardly qualifies today. It is more a tribal area, the only
halfway civilized places being guarded areas of Kabul. GWB
claimed he sent the US military there to find Osama bin Laden
and weed out al-Qaeda. He managed to do neither, and the
Taliban remains very much in place. Remnants of al-Qaeda
morphed into ISIS, and continue to wreak havoc in various
places around the world.

Iraq was a war of choice, the first time the US acted as
an aggressor. And what did the US get for its efforts?
When Clinton lied, nobody died. When Bush lied, thousands
died. That is something we should all remember.

We have secure borders. And we should continue to keep
our borders secure, finding new and better means to do so.
But a wall? That makes us less secure? And costs far
more than what would should be spend on border security?
Not a good way to waste taxpayer money.

Then again, GWB never did call for such a stupid wall.
So he can be forgiven.

However, he did lose a city. And that was very much his own fault.

Now we've got another sneaky Republican who's pulled the same trick in our
election, but he's getting all kinds of hate because he wants to secure the border with Mexico, stands with Israel, and supports Christian values.

Building a wall on the US/Mexican border does not make us safer.
And the cost of doing so is massive, especially in comparison with
other ways that make us safer at much less expense.

Recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital and moving the US embassy
there only serves to infuriate the Palestinians, as they hold the
city of Jerusalem as also being their capital. By choosing not to
recognize Palestine as a state, with its own capital, and refusing
to establish or move a US embassy in their capital is a slap in
the face of every Palestinian.

Recognizing the Golan Heights as being a part of Israel is also
a violation of international law, as the Golan is clearly Syrian
territory. Recognizing the West Bank as part of Israel is also
a violation of international law, as the West Bank is also clearly
part of Palestine, as defined by the United Nations.

The UN partition of Palestine was to be into two parts.
One for Jewish Palestinians, the other for Arab Palestinians.
Both sides rejected the partition, with the Jewish Palestinians
choosing to invade Arab Palestinians in order to claim more
than their fair share.

The status of Jerusalem, as set up by the UN partition, was
not determined, having been left up to the Jewish Palestinians
and Arab Palestinians to later decide for themselves.

Fact of the matter is that US President supports Jewish values,
not Christian values. It is also very clear he does not support
Muslim values, and would prefer deporting every Muslim from this
country if possible.

Kamala Harris is from California. Just think how many more votes

Kamala could kill the popular vote for sure, but she's going to have the
same problem as Hillary with the electoral vote. The electoral voters are probably not interested in someone who's big campaign promises are "Sue ourselves" and "Let's get stoned and listen to gangsta rap."

I doubt it would make much difference if a popular vote or
electoral vote system were to be used in the next election.
Although the electoral vote system might make for a closer
election, the end result would likely be the same.

Trump's approval ratings are at 39% nationally, with some of
the states he won (electoral votes) being even lower. Not just
in the midwest, but also elsewhere. IOW, a president in deep
doo-doo.

Just think if Kamala Harris pairs up with that Irishman from Texas.

Anything to win popular votes, right? But nothing to win electoral votes.

Trump needs Florida, Texas, Ohio, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, maybe
Minnesota, and a solid South. Just to have a chance.

If the Democratic nominee wins California, Texas, Florida,
and New York, it is good night Donald Trump. Even without Texas,
a win in Pennsylvania would do him in.

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Is that what we want? To have an archaic system that simply
does not work, and fails to reflect the needs and wants of a modern democracy?

It DOES work.

What does NOT work is:

-- knowing that you have three or four swing states that you really need to win in order to get elected;

-- deciding that campaigning in your core states is a better idea... let
those swing state folks see you on TV and social media surrounded by your most ardent supporters instead of actually visiting them;

-- continuing to take those swing states for granted while your opponent campaigns in them;

-- realizing on election night that your broken campaign strategy crapped the bed and you lost all those swing states to Donald Trump.

I still cannot believe that there are people who are so dumb that they
think the electoral college is why Clinton lost. She only did any serious post-primary campaigning in states that she was assured to win. She
ignored, partially or completely, at least three of four swing states. Trump visited them all more often and won all four.

I think the US should have done what I did and take Hillary at face value
when she said she was retiring from the SoS job because she was "fatigued."
I think she was too damn wore out to run a proper campaign. Trump, who is older than her, was not.

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Bush lost the popular vote against Al Gore, but still won the electoral vote. Why was everyone ok with that? (for the most part?)

They were not. The Gorons threw hissy fits but social media was not so big then so no one remembers. They continued throwing them until 9/11.

Now we've got another sneaky Republican who's pulled the same trick in our election, but he's getting all kinds of hate because he wants to secure the border with Mexico, stands with Israel, and supports Christian values.

The only trick Trump pulled was to campaign harder than clapped-out Clinton
in the swing states.

Kamala could kill the popular vote for sure, but she's going to have the same problem as Hillary with the electoral vote. The electoral voters are probably not interested in someone who's big campaign promises are "Sue ourselves" and "Let's get stoned and listen to gangsta rap."

If she only focuses on New York State, California, and Chicago, like
Clinton did, she will indeed likely lose.

Mike

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Only 2 ?

* Afghanistan
* Iraq
* North-West Pakistan

#3 is the same as #1.

* Somalia

Bush inherited that one from Billy... Aaron said "started."

* Operation Ocean Shield

I don't recall that one but will take your word for it, so that is 3.

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This was not acceptable to Democrats, most Independents, and
many Republicans who were aware of what was going on. It was
a rigged election, plain and simple.

It sure looks that way, looking back.

GWB was incompetent. But not quite as incompetent as what we
have today. Afghanistan hardly qualified as a nation back then,

GWB incompetent? Yes, I'll agree. Trump incompetent as Commander In Chief?
Yes, a bit - but not spending soldiers' lives like they're pennies like GWB.

claimed he sent the US military there to find Osama bin Laden
and weed out al-Qaeda. He managed to do neither, and the

A period of incompetency ensued for about 24 years, but it's getting better now. GWB & Obama strengthened ISIS so much that they gained control of half
of the middle east; somehow they were not big priorities for either commander in chief.

When Clinton lied, nobody died. When Bush lied, thousands
died. That is something we should all remember.

I agree. I'd take a Clinton over a Bush. Thousands died, and thousands are physically and/or mentally wounded. And what did these wars do for our
national debt?

We have secure borders. And we should continue to keep

But this is where I disagree with you. You're an ex-military guy - guys like
me call you "tough-guys." You ain't scared of illegal aliens who might try murdering you in a robbery, because you're probably able to wake up from a
deep sleep & strangle them to death with your bear hands like 2nd nature.

But guys like me are NOT prepared for that. We've got our cellphones close
by, ready to call for help, but we don't sleep well knowing that there are people lurking outside our windows who have snuck into the USA illegally, and they're extremely desperate, and ready to hide our bodies with sulfuric acid.

We lack the training, courage & discipline to be unconcerned with illegal aliens.

But a wall? That makes us less secure? And costs far

The wall sounds like a primitive method, but the request comes from border patrol & not from President Trump.

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<Re: Peurto Rico>

* Somalia

Bush inherited that one from Billy... Aaron said "started."

* Operation Ocean Shield

I don't recall that one but will take your word for it, so that is 3.

That's about fighting pirate ships in the Gulf of Aden, which is between Yemen and Somalia. It started in 2009.



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I still cannot believe that there are people who are so dumb that they think the electoral college is why Clinton lost. She only did any

She didn't debate well. At least Obama used and abused his slogan, fooling
many people into thinking it was a deliverable promise.

Trump crushed her in the debates - but I wish he didn't promise the wall because that's a very difficult one to accomplish.

For Trump's future debates, he's got to show us some wall and needs to hand over the tax returns before it becomes more of an issue like Obama's birth certificate was. A real tax return might be harder to produce than a fake
birth certificate.

The democrats already completely soiled themselves, so now it's up to Trump, some other republican, or an independent for 2020.

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If she only focuses on New York State, California, and Chicago, like Clinton did, she will indeed likely lose.

Those are states where keywords like "sue," "smoke weed," and
"gansta rap" are winners.

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* Somalia

Bush inherited that one from Billy... Aaron said "started."

* Operation Ocean Shield

I don't recall that one but will take your word for it, so that is 3.

That's about fighting pirate ships in the Gulf of Aden, which is between Yemen >and Somalia. It started in 2009.

OK if it started in 2009 that was Obama. I think Aaron was right, it was 2.

Thanks!
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If she only focuses on New York State, California, and Chicago, like Clinton did, she will indeed likely lose.

Those are states where keywords like "sue," "smoke weed," and
"gansta rap" are winners.

Also places the Democrats are near guaranteed to win. If she wants to win
she will need to campaign in the swing/"purple" states a lot harder than Clinton did.

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If she only focuses on New York State, California, and Chicago, lik

Also places the Democrats are near guaranteed to win. If she wants to
win she will need to campaign in the swing/"purple" states a lot harder than Clinton did.

She's already blown her chance by accusing the president of hiring the AG to spy on his rivals; she's out of her mind. No respectable democrats are going
to appreciate her making the party look so bad. She's got an obstructionist disorder, and she wastes a lot of time. Worse than Booker, way worse than Obama. At least Obama had a good fake sales pitch for me, instead of a
campaign built entirely on negativity.

When you see like 20 democrats all competing for the oval office, you know
they lack some serious unity. Being just a representative in some office
is not good enough for them; they all want to be the one in control, instead
of trusting just one of their own. (or a few) This makes it obvious that they're in this for themselves, and not for us.

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When you see like 20 democrats all competing for the oval office, you
know they lack some serious unity. Being just a representative in some office is not good enough for them; they all want to be the one in control, instead of trusting just one of their own. (or a few) This
makes it obvious that they're in this for themselves, and not for us.

How many republicans were in the start of the race for 2016? Do you
paint them with the same brush?

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Hello Dale,

When you see like 20 democrats all competing for the oval office, you >AT>know they lack some serious unity. Being just a representative in some >AT>office is not good enough for them; they all want to be the one in >AT>control, instead of trusting just one of their own. (or a few) This >AT>makes it obvious that they're in this for themselves, and not for us.

How many republicans were in the start of the race for 2016? Do you
paint them with the same brush?

Same brush. But only red paint. The blue got used up on Monica's
dress during the reign of Bubba.

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Hello Mike,

If she only focuses on New York State, California, and Chicago, like
Clinton did, she will indeed likely lose.

Those are states where keywords like "sue," "smoke weed," and
"gansta rap" are winners.

Also places the Democrats are near guaranteed to win. If she wants to win >she will need to campaign in the swing/"purple" states a lot harder than >Clinton did.

The same can be said of both candidates - the Democratic nominee
and the Republican nominee.

Clinton was a weak candidate, and ran a poor campaign, especially
in the last two weeks. Her opponent unfairly benefitted from
a source that is adversarial to our very democracy. And we all
know what that source is. Furthermore, no real changes have been
made since the election to prevent that same source from doing it
again.

So. Who are the real winners in this game? Not the American
people. That's for sure.

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How many republicans were in the start of the race for 2016? Do you
paint them with the same brush?

Nope! None of them threatened to waste this much money on handouts; none of them seemed like they were going to wreck our economy in an effort to make themselves popular so they could sign books later.

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If she only focuses on New York State, California, and Chicago, like >>MP> Clinton did, she will indeed likely lose.

Those are states where keywords like "sue," "smoke weed," and
"gansta rap" are winners.

Also places the Democrats are near guaranteed to win. If she wants to wi >she will need to campaign in the swing/"purple" states a lot harder than >Clinton did.

I know I know! I ashamed to say I live in New York but what can I do??! I'm outnumbered 10-1. I'm STUCK!

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Hillary Clinton received almost 3 million votes more than

Bush lost the popular vote against Al Gore, but still won the electoral

vote.

Why was everyone ok with that? (for the most part?)

The Corruptocrats screamed bloody murder - and, of course, wanted to do
away with the Electoral College (the left has wanted to do that for at
least thirty years).
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Is that what we want? To have an archaic system that simply
does not work, and fails to reflect the needs and wants of a modern democracy?

It DOES work.

Remember that the Founders did not trust the electorate - not even the
rich, white male landowners who made up the original electorate. It is
too easy to fix any election - there have been myriad examples of
election fraud in just the past decade (and you can go back at least as
far as Roosevelt minor and STILL find election fraud). I refer to the
two major parties as Corruptocrats and Republicrooks - and I refer to
senators and representatives as "pompous, primping, preening, posturing prostitutes," you can use a picture of Jerry Nadler to illustrate the
point
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If she only focuses on New York State, California, and Chicago, like
Clinton did, she will indeed likely lose.

If they change to a straight popular vote the left will win every
election, and need only carry the Washington-Boston corridor, Chicago,
Seattle, San Francisco and Los Angeles - all of which are bastions of Corruptocrats
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I still cannot believe that there are people who are so dumb that they think the electoral college is why Clinton lost. She only did any

She didn't debate well. At least Obama used and abused his slogan, fooling many people into thinking it was a deliverable promise.

Trump crushed her in the debates - but I wish he didn't promise the wall because that's a very difficult one to accomplish.

The Corruptocrats are going to regret fighting Trump over that wall -
they're going to need that wall to keep all the "rich" people from
fleeing the country - with their money
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Hello Steve,

LL> >>MP>If she only focuses on New York State, California, and Chicago, like
LL> >>MP> Clinton did, she will indeed likely lose.
LL> >
LL> >>Those are states where keywords like "sue," "smoke weed," and
LL> >>"gansta rap" are winners.
LL> >
LL> >Also places the Democrats are near guaranteed to win. If she wants
to wi
LL> >she will need to campaign in the swing/"purple" states a lot harder than
LL> >Clinton did.
I know I know! I ashamed to say I live in New York but what can I do??! I'm
outnumbered 10-1. I'm STUCK!

US Senator from New York running for president in 2016.
Another US Senator from New York running for president in 2020.
Against the same blond from New York who won the last election.

Yes. You are doomed. Truly doomed ...

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If she only focuses on New York State, California, and Chicago, like Clinton did, she will indeed likely lose.

If they change to a straight popular vote the left will win every
election, and need only carry the Washington-Boston corridor, Chicago, Seattle, San Francisco and Los Angeles - all of which are bastions of Corruptocrats

Perfect example of how the Electoral College does work. Back then, I guess
it would have been NYC and Philly. It is set up, in part, so that the candidates cannot ignore large swaths of the country. HRC did that and the Electoral College did its job by keeping her out of office.

Mike

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The Corruptocrats screamed bloody murder - and, of course, wanted to do away with the Electoral College (the left has wanted to do that for at least thirty years).

That sounds like their style.

What do you think about the electoral college? What would be the drawback of erasing it? (Besides swamp-monsters becoming commanders?)

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If she only focuses on New York State, California, and Chicago, like Clinton did, she will indeed likely lose.

If they change to a straight popular vote the left will win every
election, and need only carry the Washington-Boston corridor, Chicago, Seattle, San Francisco and Los Angeles - all of which are bastions of Corruptocrats

Perfect example of how the Electoral College does work. Back then, I guess it would have been NYC and Philly. It is set up, in part, so that the candidates cannot ignore large swaths of the country. HRC did that and the Electoral College did its job by keeping her out of office.

People don't understand that the president/veep are elected by the
states, not by the people. I think that the states that now require that
their electors vote for the candidate with the highest *nationwide* vote
total - even if that candidate received precisely zero votes in their
state - are dumber than the proverbial box of rocks - and, of course,
they're defeating the purpose of the EC. The Founders didn't trust the
voters - at the time rich, property owning, white males - to directly
elect the president
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The Corruptocrats screamed bloody murder - and, of course, wanted

to do

away with the Electoral College (the left has wanted to do that for at least thirty years).

That sounds like their style.

What do you think about the electoral college?

It's the method the Founders decided upon that allows the STATES to elect
the president/veep.

What would be the drawback of

erasing it? (Besides swamp-monsters becoming commanders?)

The president/veep would be elected by the Boston-DC corridor, Chicago, Seattle, San Francisco (Bay Area), Los Angeles and, maybe, Dallas.
Everyplace else in the country safely could be ignored. All of those
places (except, maybe, Dallas) are bastions of the Corruptocrats
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People don't understand that the president/veep are elected by the
states, not by the people. I think that the states that now require that their electors vote for the candidate with the highest *nationwide* vote total - even if that candidate received precisely zero votes in their
state - are dumber than the proverbial box of rocks - and, of course,
they're defeating the purpose of the EC. The Founders didn't trust the voters - at the time rich, property owning, white males - to directly
elect the president

I have not paid too much attention but it was my impression that most of
the states that are doing that are states that the Democrats usually win anyway. They are assuming that because it happened this last time, that
the Democrats will always win the popular vote. Seeing as how assuming
makes an ass out of the person doing it... if those states had that law in 2004, 1988, 1984, 1980, etc., they'd would have been forced to cast their
state votes for the Republicans instead. So, yeah, in those instances it will really screw their state voters.

Otherwise, their state voters won't notice much of a difference, and
neither would we, because their state will likely vote for the Democrat.

Mike

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Re: Re: Peurto Rico
By: BOB ACKLEY to AARON THOMAS on Mon May 13 2019 04:27 pm

The Corruptocrats screamed bloody murder - and, of course, wanted

to do

away with the Electoral College (the left has wanted to do that
for at least thirty years).

What do you think about the electoral college?

It's the method the Founders decided upon that allows the STATES to elect the president/veep.

What would be the drawback of

erasing it? (Besides swamp-monsters becoming commanders?)

The president/veep would be elected by the Boston-DC corridor, Chicago, Seattle, San Francisco (Bay Area), Los Angeles and, maybe, Dallas. Everyplace else in the country safely could be ignored. All of those

Nah New York would be the Major player for the Dems.The state would cast a dark shadow over any of the surrounding states.
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Hello Bob,

The Corruptocrats screamed bloody murder - and, of course, wanted

to do

away with the Electoral College (the left has wanted to do that for

at

least thirty years).

That sounds like their style.

What do you think about the electoral college?

It's the method the Founders decided upon that allows the STATES to elect
the president/veep.

If no candidate receives a majority of electoral votes, then
the House of Representatives chooses the president with each state
having 1 vote, and the Senate chooses the vice president with each
senator having 1 vote.

What would be the drawback of

erasing it? (Besides swamp-monsters becoming commanders?)

The president/veep would be elected by the Boston-DC corridor, Chicago, >Seattle, San Francisco (Bay Area), Los Angeles and, maybe, Dallas.
Everyplace else in the country safely could be ignored. All of those
places (except, maybe, Dallas) are bastions of the Corruptocrats

The candidates would campaign differently, and visit more places.
The electoral college process is far more limiting, resulting in
much fewer campaign stops for candidates.

IOW, the electoral college process is nothing more than a polite
fiction. A means to con the electorate into believing it is taking
part in a fair election.

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The candidates would campaign differently, and visit more places.
The electoral college process is far more limiting, resulting in
much fewer campaign stops for candidates.

No, you have that wrong. Remember, that is what Hilarious tried (fewer
stops) and it DID NOT WORK. If there was no electoral college, what she did would have worked. She would only need to campaign and play to the areas
that Bob listed. She'd never visit Kentucky or any state that surrounds it (except maybe Northern Virginia). She'd certainly have gotten away with ignoring Wisconsin and Michigan.

IOW, the electoral college process is nothing more than a polite
fiction. A means to con the electorate into believing it is taking
part in a fair election.

The only times it has been "unfair" is when a Democrat has not managed to
win it.

Mike

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The only times it has been "unfair" is when a Democrat has not managed to win it.

When put in its proper perspective, i,e, the President is chosen by the States and not by the people, it makes perfect sense.

Our head of government, i.e. the Prime Minister, is not elected either and I think that's true for about every other country around here.

The difference, I think, lies in the amount of power the head of state gets.

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IOW, the electoral college process is nothing more than a polite
fiction. A means to con the electorate into believing it is taking
part in a fair election.

But it works great when it gets Indonesians elected :)

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When put in its proper perspective, i,e, the President is chosen by the States >and not by the people, it makes perfect sense.

Correct.

Our head of government, i.e. the Prime Minister, is not elected either and I >think that's true for about every other country around here.

The difference, I think, lies in the amount of power the head of state gets.

Or maybe the perceived amount of power. I don't think that the President
has as much power as we citizens perceive the position to have. They get blamed, and credited, for a lot of things they don't really have much true participation in.

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Hello Mike,

The candidates would campaign differently, and visit more places.
The electoral college process is far more limiting, resulting in
much fewer campaign stops for candidates.

No, you have that wrong. Remember, that is what Hilarious tried (fewer >stops) and it DID NOT WORK. If there was no electoral college, what she did >would have worked. She would only need to campaign and play to the areas >that Bob listed. She'd never visit Kentucky or any state that surrounds it >(except maybe Northern Virginia). She'd certainly have gotten away with >ignoring Wisconsin and Michigan.

Both candidates would have played the game far differently had
there been no electoral college process. Who would have won under
those conditions is anybody's guess. Some would say Clinton, based
on her results from the election held under electoral college rules.
But that is speculative.

Before the election, Donald Trump said publicly he would prefer
a popular vote than the current electoral college process. After
the election, he changed his mind. As for who would have won had
it been a popular vote, Trump admitted the race would have been
contested by both candidates differently.

Trump also claimed the election was rigged, with lots of "fake"
votes having been counted for his opponent. Meaning he was the
one who got the most popular votes. After all, he counted those
votes himself ...

IOW, the electoral college process is nothing more than a polite
fiction. A means to con the electorate into believing it is taking
part in a fair election.

The only times it has been "unfair" is when a Democrat has not managed to
win it.

Gore v. Bush

Total votes cast - 9

GWB - 5
Al Gore 4

The closest election in US history.

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Hello Aaron,

IOW, the electoral college process is nothing more than a polite >LL>fiction. A means to con the electorate into believing it is taking >LL>part in a fair election.

But it works great when it gets Indonesians elected :)

I haven't seen many Indonesians with orange hair.
Except for Clyde the Orangatun, who starred in some
of Clint Eastwood's finest films ...

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Hello Mike,

When put in its proper perspective, i,e, the President is chosen by the
States
and not by the people, it makes perfect sense.

Correct.

Our head of government, i.e. the Prime Minister, is not elected either and
I
think that's true for about every other country around here.

The difference, I think, lies in the amount of power the head of state
gets.

Or maybe the perceived amount of power. I don't think that the President
has as much power as we citizens perceive the position to have. They get >blamed, and credited, for a lot of things they don't really have much true >participation in.

Which is the reality? Power, or the perception of power?

Is power a reality, or is it a perception? Trump tries to
give everybody the impression that he is the wealthiest person
on the face of this planet. Not that he is.

I'll agree with that. The presidency is a weak office, as given
in the US Constitution. Article I is about the Congress, noting
the office of US Representative first. Article II is about the
Executive Branch, noting the office of President sixth. Pretty
low in order of importance (amount of power), in my opinion.
Article III is about the Judicial Branch, whose members are
appointed rather than elected.

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Your Hole Is Our Goal

You're QWK reader does Democrat taglines? :)

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Hello Aaron,

Your Hole Is Our Goal

You're QWK reader does Democrat taglines? :)

I'll have to update them. Last time I did was after
the women's march in DC. Not sure if they were Democrats
or Republicans. But Madonna was there, and we all know
what she wanted to do with the White House. :)

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