Hello, Gerhard Strangar -> All.
On 11/11/20 7:01 PM you wrote:

High, I just read that Georgia needs to recount all votes manually
and I wonder what manually is supposed to mean. Do they otherwise
use machines? If so, why does it take so long? In Germany, the
polling stations close at 18:00 and we usually get the manually
counted preliminary results between 22:00 and 23:00 on that same
day. And I cannot remember any election where the final results
changed noteworthy.

There are multiple ways voting is done, and multiple ways they get
counted. It depends on the state.

This year, it was more complicated because of a larger number of mail in ballots than normal.

But many states I believe, if the first count is extremely close like
1-2% I think requires an automatic recount.

What happens if multiple recounting two parties/candidates have
exactly the same number of votes? Do you hold a second election or
flip a coin?

It depends on each states election laws and which office it is for.

Regardless of what you might see, there often are more people on the
Ballot than the Democrat and Republican candidates. They generally
don't get much exposure, nor have the huge budgets, but they are there.

Leaving the Presidential election aside, because it's its own
monstrosity.
A Senate race, for example, might require a majority of votes to be
declared winner. A simple majority is 51%. If you have other
candidates, smaller party or independent, in the race it is possible for
no one to get 51% of the vote. In that case, there is going to be a run
off election at a later date between the top vote getters.

With the President, again depending on the state, the popular vote is
supposed to indicate which candidate gets the Electoral College votes
for that state. Most states, I believe are winner take all, meaning
whoever gets the most popular votes get all of the Electoral votes for
that state. Some states might, or at least did, could split the
Electoral votes.

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Am 11 Nov 20 14:33:32 schrob Charles Pierson an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema <Counting votes>

This year, it was more complicated because of a larger number of mail in ballots than normal.

What's complicated about those? We use two envelopes, the outer one contains the name of the person who voted and needs to be on the list and not have voted yet. Then the outer envelope gets opened and the inner one goes into the mail-in box. After that, the inner ones get opened and the ballots are put onto different stacks than the in-person votes (to verify if the results differ are lot, which might be due to attempted fraud). But neither opening envelopes nor counting ballots is complicated.



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Hello, Gerhard Strangar -> Charles Pierson.
On 11/12/20 6:58 AM you wrote:

Am 11 Nov 20 14:33:32 schrob Charles Pierson an Gerhard Strangar
zum Thema <Counting votes> CP> This year, it was more complicated
because of a larger number of mail in CP> ballots than normal.
What's complicated about those? We use two envelopes, the outer one
contains the name of the person who voted and needs to be on the
list and not have voted yet. Then the outer envelope gets opened and
the inner one goes into the mail-in box. After that, the inner ones
get opened and the ballots are put onto different stacks than the
in-person votes (to verify if the results differ are lot, which
might be due to attempted fraud). But neither opening envelopes nor
counting ballots is complicated.

Not necessarily the mail in ballots themselves, but the volume of them.
The sheer number of mail in ballots surprised me.

I mean, I can understand not wanting to go be in a large crowd on
election day to vote. However, with the early voting option, I had many
family members all over the country go vote in person without crowds.

I simply don't trust the mail enough to be 100% confident my ballot
wouldn't get lost accidentally, let alone any potential fraud. I've had
too many instances of mail not mine being delivered to my address to
feel otherwise, and not just my neighbors, but mail for addresses not in
my neighborhood.

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Am 12 Nov 20 07:00:30 schrob Charles Pierson an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema <Counting votes>

I mean, I can understand not wanting to go be in a large crowd on
election day to vote. However, with the early voting option, I had many family members all over the country go vote in person without crowds.

I've heard of people waiting in line for over an hour. But what's going on there? Our polling stations are open on Sundays from 8:00 to 18:00 hours with 500-1000 voters per station and I'd say they're pretty much equipartitioned over time. Only when church is out there might be up to 20 people at once, but I don't think it takes more than five minutes for all of them to vote.



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On 12 Nov 2020 at 06:24p, Gerhard Strangar pondered and said...

I've heard of people waiting in line for over an hour. But what's going
on there? Our polling stations are open on Sundays from 8:00 to 18:00 hours with 500-1000 voters per station and I'd say they're pretty much equipartitioned over time. Only when church is out there might be up to
20 people at once, but I don't think it takes more than five minutes for all of them to vote.

What's going on is that the American right has realized that it
is a dying minority, and the only way it can hang onto power is
via nefarious means. Thus, they will try and disenfranchise
voters or otherwise use authoritarian tactics in desperate (and,
frankly, pathetic) bids to stay relevant. Reducing the number
of polling stations, making it harder for people (particularly
Black and Brown people), gerrymandering congressional districts
to give them an edge in the legislature even though they're strictly
a minority most places.... That's what leads to these absurdly
long lines etc.

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