Nick Andre wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-

On 26 Aug 20 09:29, Aaron Thomas said the following to Nick Andre:

In related news: Last night I wanted to watch the RNC convention, and I

don

have cable. The only broadcast channel that offered to show it was PBS. So tuned to PBS, and they showed bits and pieces of the convention with anti-Trump commentary breaks every 2 minutes. There was really no way to

wa

Remember in the 80's and early 90's when CNN was actually somewhat
decent? No opinions, no nonsense. I heard that Ted Turner is even
pissed how his creation turned out today. And remember how the major
news channels used to thumb their noses at tabloid shows like Hard Copy and Current Affair? PBS was actually not that bad? And even TLC
actually had some redeeming social enlightenment value before Here
Comes Honey Boo-boo?

I like to pinpoint the OJ trial as the first real noticable shift from serious reporting to tabloid/gonzo journalism going mainstream and the rise of opinion shows and "expert panels" and blahblahblah feedback discussions.

Clinton's blowjob scandals were the icing on the cake... uhh, so to
speak.

Nick

I think you are right here. People usually blame the Internet for the decline in mainstream news, and the need to compete with blogs and such. But I don't buy this. The reason is I don't think they are trying to be respectable and decent. For example, I read an article on news.com.au, which is a major Australian online news site, about the RNC convention, and it was pure editorialising. The writer was blithely assuming that all the readers would have the exact same reaction. There are manufactured stories based on a few tweets. This is fake news, making a story out of nothing. So many clickbait or just false headlines. Partisan positions, moralising and paternalistic attitudes.

Now this always happened to a degree, but standards really slipped. I do remember when news was more objective. Now, they clearly have a particular "voice", which speaks for a very particular segment of society. And these changes were happening 20 years ago.

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Nick Andre wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

On 27 Aug 20 11:03:00, Dennis Katsonis said the following to Nick
Andre:

I think you are right here. People usually blame the Internet for the

decl

in mainstream news, and the need to compete with blogs and such. But I

don

buy this. The reason is I don't think they are trying to be respectable

an

decent. For example, I read an article on news.com.au, which is a major Australian online news site, about the RNC convention, and it was pure editorialising. The writer was blithely assuming that all the readers

woul

Oh I've seen the editorialising too, I'm in Canada and not sure if you read my other messages but it is mostly a liberal-leaning slant in all
of our media here. But... I'm one to actually agree that the Internet "kinda-sorta" is the problem. Specifically social media. The rise of Twitter has made various news outlets just copy-n-paste from Twitter as its seen as the official voice for whoever it is, whether its a
celebrity or President Trump or whoever.

I haven't seen all the thread. I remember at the time the 9/11 attacks happened, shortly afterwards, the media when talking about Afghanistan and Al Quaeda would always include a paragraph about Iraq. Not that it was related, it was just there. They were clearly pushing an agenda.

Social media has definately accelerated things big time, but I think the rot was set in beforehand. I find it hard to believe we would have a great mainstream media, if it weren't for social media. Do they really need to take 4 tweets and manufacture a story? Is it really necessary? Or is it more that journalists now see their job as pushing a social agenda?

I think people going into journalism now, more and more, see their role as pushing social change, pushing an agenda, and you only really make it, if you agree with the groupthink of the MSM.


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I read through Fox news' stories this mornign kinda fast, so then I read the headlines at cnn.com to see how different they would be. And they were pretty different!

After reading Fox first, I couldn't overlook the fact that CNN isn't saying anything about the violence in Kenosha, except for the (old already) story about the unarmed black man being shot. Nothing about violent "peaceful protesters" in Minneapolis looting and burning stores, nothing about peaceful protesters smashing and burning busineses in Oakland, nothing about the 71 year old business owner getting his jaw broken by "peaceful protesters" in Kenosha, nothing about the 85 year old woman being mugged in Chicago.

The news over at CNN is a lot more peaceful! Maybe that's what liberals like about it. The focus at CNN is on the guy who was shot by police (the black guy - no mention about any other color getting shot by police despite it happening every day.) Instead, a few weak jabs at the RNC convention, and even one story where they take a shot at some paramedics who accidentally pronounced a woman dead when she was still alive.

The evidence that they're painting pictures was easy to see this morning. CNN don't deliver news anymore. Do liberals even watch it? Or do they watch Fox so they can find stuff to complain about? It's ok, I'm guilty of it too.

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Note that I don't use the term "liberal". The classical liberals are actua

I relate the term to wasting a liberal amount of tax revenue, or liberating criminals.

Lefties get upset whenever they see someone reporting facts that go counter to their Narrative. So they most likely watch CNN to get a warm fuzzy. T

I noticed that Fox News is not really biased like many people claim. They are not reluctant to report Republican failures or Democrat success stories.

I tune into CNN sometimes just for a wider variety of non-political news stories, but I get a little offended when they inject anti-Trump messages into everything. That's something that conservative news like Fox, OANN, & NY
Post don't do. You don't get a Fox news story saying something like "ISIS advancing in Syria due to lack of action from Obama." (even though that would probably be accurate.)

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