Not at all. The purpose isn't archive, it's to avoid needing network bandwidth to pull the whole install down for metered or slow connections. For that, it works exactly as intended.
yeah that's not something i would really want. i really dont like steam. and i dont like the validation shit i get sometimes when i login with what they think is a different computer. it's very annoying.
What is it about Steam that you wouldn't really want it? I think Steam can be fairly handy for what it is. I've bought several games from Steam, and it's convenient to be able to download the games rather than having to go out to a store and buy it (though sometimes I do miss buying PC games in a store). Also, Steam has done some significnat work in bringing PC gaming to Linux.
Nightfox
What is it about Steam that you wouldn't really want it? I think
Steam can be fairly handy for what it is. I've bought several games
from Steam, and it's convenient to be able to download the games
rather than having to go out to a store and buy it (though sometimes I
do miss buying PC games in a store). Also, Steam has done some
significnat work in bringing PC gaming to Linux.
If you go out to a store and buy games, all you end up with is a Steam code or some other code for a similar client.
Re: Re: This strange world
By: MRO to Andeddu on Sat Aug 01 2020 09:21 pm
yeah that's not something i would really want. i really dont like steam. i dont like the validation shit i get sometimes when i login with what th think is a different computer. it's very annoying.
EA Origin, Epic Games, Uplay and Battle.net are no different to Steam in relation to DRM. Signing up to clients is just a hoop you'll have to jump if you're wanting to play modern games.
Games and other software still can be pruchased on DVD, but the titles on the shelf are becoming rarer. In some cases you're buying a box of books or documentation and an activation code. Otherwise it's digital downloads with activation codes emailed to you.
Really? I actually haven't bought physical PC games in a while, so I didn't know that's what they were doing. I figured you could probably still buy some PC games on disc or something, but I guess many PC users these days don't have an optical drive or anything.. A long time ago, I figured the natural progression would be to buy PC games (and movies and music) on USB flash drives, but it seems most people have gone the route of downloading them from the internet.
Nightfox
Many old classics are great and don't require you to go through the hassle of dealing with abusive Terms of Service from the game distributor.
Internet connections are so quick now that there's no point in physical medi I can download a game faster than it takes to install it on an optical drive still prefer physical games on my consoles though.
Re: Steam DRM
By: Arelor to Andeddu on Sun Aug 02 2020 05:10 pm
Many old classics are great and don't require you to go through the hassl of dealing with abusive Terms of Service from the game distributor.
There is no hassle. You sign up for a client in the first instance, agree to the ToS and that's it, you'll never have to agree to it again. When you're logged in, purchase the game of your choosing, download it, and you're done. won't defend DRM however all publishers go through online clients now so eit you sign-up or you'll never get to play modern PC games.
Internet connections are so quick now that there's no point in physical media. I can download a game faster than it takes to install it on an optical drive. I still prefer physical games on my consoles though.
First worlders are usually surprised when they are told that the consumption of optical emdia, worldwide, is still ON THE RISE. It might surprise you, but most of the population on this ball of mud has no fiber connection to his house.
Sorry, but you are not selling the idea to me.
There are one player games that you play with LAG because they require connectivity to an auth server.
Downloading an extra piece of software (ie a game store client) is a hassle in itself since it is one extra step you have to take, plus you give a lot of power over your game library to a third party. Sometimes, up to the point that you are only able to play the game as long as the third party allows it.
There are distributors taking content away from games you have purchased (for example, music) due to licensing deadlines and the like. The game experience is purposedly diminished by the game distributor.
Games are turning more and more into an experience about the game ecosystem (DLC markets, accomplishments etc) than about the game themselves at times.
As I said, I am so happy with old games that I don't need to sign up to this distribution paradigm to have fun. I don't dislike the idea of game store clients, but I oppose the idea of the gamer ecosystem we have, with the passion of a Doom player who killed a Spiderdemon with a chainsaw.
I originally figured the natural progression would probably be to buy games, movies, and music on USB flash drives. But it seems that didn't happen.. Not everyone has a fast internet connection though.
There are still post codes in the UK which don't appear to have access to super fast internet. I fear a little for those people come the release of next-gen consoles. I have seen game patches hitting over 100gb in titles such as Gears of War 4 and Call of Duty (2020) which is pretty obscene. I don't think we should just disregard people who do not have access to high-speed internet.
Look at all those ads for Hughesnet and notice how Dish and DirecTV still have a large customer base. Due to the size of the US, there are more locations than people realize that have limited or no choices for wired or wi reless broadband.
Due to DRM, there may be cultural works that may not be easily recoverable in the future without preseverationists creating workarounds to access r bypass oolder protection scheme. Imagine a library full of books, and no one can access them because the guy who owned the key threw it away when he retired.
they actually still have 'linux magazine' that comes with dvds?
that blows my mind
This may go beyond gaming and cover films and written literature that may be locked away on encrypted devices.
I dont think many people actually have fiber. i have to use
spectrum which is only like 10MB down and 2MB up. sucks.
Verizon set up a fiber network in my area a long time ago that they called Fios. Then Frontier bought out Verizon's internet service about 10 years ago. I've been using Frontier fiber since I bought my house about 5 years ago. Now, Frontier's internet here was recently bought out by Ziply Fiber. When that happened, my internet service started dropping out at random times. After a few phone calls, I finally got ahold of a customer support person at Ziply who sent a tech out to my house. He replaced the ONT box
i believe it's how they all got together and negotiated. in my area we will never have fiber because of the deals verizon cut with att and charter for cellphone rights.
so in the uppermidwest usa we are stuck with cable or ATT
I agree. Some areas just don't have high-speed internet, but it seems most people assume everyone has high-speed internet these days.
Re: Steam DRM
By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Aug 06 2020 10:55 pm
i believe it's how they all got together and negotiated. in my area
we will never have fiber because of the deals verizon cut with att
and charter for cellphone rights.
so in the uppermidwest usa we are stuck with cable or ATT
I've heard in the US, we pay some of the highest prices for some of the worst internet ni the world. There are other countries that have better internet speeds & infrastructure than we do, and customers there pay less for it.
Nightfox
I don't mind reasonable patches which are <4gb... it just seems the norm now that a lot of games released by Activision regularly ask for players to download up to 100gb in the form of a patch. Eurogamer released a news article a few days ago informing all players of CoD:MW (2019) that the next patch would be 47gb in size. All they were adding is a new map and bug fixing so there's no reasonable excuse for such a download size, by pushing such unoptimized downloads they're ostracizing a huge chunk of the community.
This may go beyond gaming and cover films and written literature that may be locked away on encrypted devices.
That's pretty big.
In the 90s, I remember downloading patches for games like Descent, Doom, and others that would update the binaries from one version to a newer version. They'd basically do a "diff" between the old & new binaries, and the patcher program would basically change the old binary into the new binary based on the differences. It made for relatively small patches, though they were made only to update a specific version. They even did that to update shareware versions, if I remember right.
when i was writing MB i meant megabyte. sucks that my upload speed isnt even 2MB. i think it's because i'm in a heavily populated area.
On 9/10/2020 4:26 PM, MRO wrote:
when i was writing MB i meant megabyte. sucks that my upload speed
isnt even 2MB. i think it's because i'm in a heavily populated area.
Mine's not much more than that (20Mbps ~= 2.5MBps). Most users don't
use much upload, so ISPs use many more channels for download vs upload. You can always get a dedicated symmetric connection, but those aren't cheap. I get 200mbit down, 20 up.
when i was writing MB i meant megabyte. sucks that my upload speed
isnt even 2MB. i think it's because i'm in a heavily populated area.
i'm in a big city. i should have gigabit dammit!
I just moved to Marina in Monterey County and I now have access to gigabit if I want it, but it's through comsuck. I got 200mb to try them out, and they can't maintain that speed except for like 3am in the morning, so fuck them.
Internet in America is only just better than Australia, and I guarantee you Australia will switch places with us in the next few years.
well now i heard on the radio that in my state in kenosha [riotville] they are doing to do gigabit. but they are going to dig through people's yards and driveways via 'micro trenching'. they claim they can patch it up but people arent happy with it.
well now i heard on the radio that in my state in kenosha [riotville] they are doing to do gigabit. but they are going to dig through people's yards and driveways via 'micro trenching'. they claim they can patch it up but people arent happy with it.
There's an internet company in my area that does fiber (there are a couple) that recently did that down the street where I work. They had to dig small holes down through the sidewalk so they could run the fiber cable through, then patched the holes. Now there are round spaces with black concrete in them in the sidewalk.
On 9/29/2020 6:48 PM, MRO wrote:
well now i heard on the radio that in my state in kenosha [riotville]
they are doing to do gigabit. but they are going to dig through
people's yards and driveways via 'micro trenching'. they claim they
can patch it up but people arent happy with it.
From what I've read, regarding micro trenching, it hasn't been very
good in terms of reliability... a lot of need for re-runs, unless it's gotten better.
I just moved to Marina in Monterey County and I now have access to gigabit if I want it, but it's through comsuck. I got
200mb to try them out, and they can't maintain that speed except for like 3am in the morning, so fuck them.
well now i heard on the radio that in my state in kenosha [riotville] they are doing to do gigabit. but they are going to dig
through people's yards and driveways via 'micro trenching'. they claim they can patch it up but people arent happy with it.
There's an internet company in my area that does fiber (there are a couple) that recently did that down the street where I work.
They had to dig small holes down through the sidewalk so they could run the fiber cable through, then patched the holes. Now
there are round spaces with black concrete in them in the sidewalk.
There's an internet company in my area that does fiber (there are a
couple) that recently did that down the street where I work. They had
to dig small holes down through the sidewalk so they could run the
fiber cable through, then patched the holes. Now there are round
spaces with black concrete in them in the sidewalk.
Does it look OK, or stupid, or ugly? Man if some company came in and fucked up my sidewalks I'd be pissed.
Re: Re: Steam DRM
By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Sep 30 2020 08:13 am
There's an internet company in my area that does fiber (there are a
couple) that recently did that down the street where I work.
They had to dig small holes down through the sidewalk so they could
run the fiber cable through, then patched the holes. Now
there are round spaces with black concrete in them in the sidewalk.
Does it look OK, or stupid, or ugly? Man if some company came in and fucked up my sidewalks I'd be pissed.
i guess google tried 'nano trenching' in lousville ky and it was a huge fail and it looks like shit. also repaving roads damaged the lines.
Re: Re: Steam DRM
By: MRO to Android8675 on Thu Oct 08 2020 05:09 pm
i guess google tried 'nano trenching' in lousville ky and it was a
huge fail and it looks like shit. also repaving roads damaged the
lines.
Whatever happened to that google wifi for all??
well now i heard on the radio that in my state in kenosha [riotville] they are doing to do gigabit. but they are going to dig
through people's yards and driveways via 'micro trenching'. they claim they can patch it up but people arent happy with it.
I'd be curious as to how that goes. I've heard of city municipalities opening their own fiber Internet Service for city residents and are able to offer deals like what Google Fiber was doing (1gb for like $30/month). I suspect if people were pushed just a bit around here we could convince the city gov to at least look into something like that.
I know any place considered "rural" should look into that I guess.
i guess google tried 'nano trenching' in lousville ky and it was a huge failure and it looks like shit. also repaving roads damaged the lines.
i guess the deeper trenches dont fuck up as bad due to tire wear, but it still looks like a black line of tar of whatever where they laid the fiber optics.
On 10/8/2020 3:09 PM, MRO wrote:
i guess google tried 'nano trenching' in lousville ky and it was a
huge failure and it looks like shit. also repaving roads damaged the
lines.
i guess the deeper trenches dont fuck up as bad due to tire wear, but
it still looks like a black line of tar of whatever where they laid
the fiber
optics.
fucked up my sidewalks I'd be pissed.
I think it looks somewhat ugly, but then, I'm not the type to really care so much about the appearance of the sidewalk near where I live/work. As long as people can walk across it, I guess it's doing it's job. Also, I think a sidewalk is public property rather than your own property - Utility
companies or the city may need to come do work on it if they need to drill for cables or a storm drain, etc.. I don't think the sidewalk is yours to do what you want with.
Whatever happened to that google wifi for all??
In contrast though, I see that kind of tar line on streets without
fiber, just to "repair" cracks/wear.
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