• Seenby/Path

    From Boondock@1:103/705 to All on Mon May 24 11:49:34 2021
    Hi,
    I have a question. In the docs on http://www.synchro.net/docs/sbbsecho.html it has screenshots of the SBBSEcho configuration program. It looks nothing like the one on my system, with no toggle options etc so there is no place to specify anything about the PATH or SEEN-BY lines.
    I finally noticed that the screen capture is from Oct 17 2000, which *might* be why it's changed :-)

    My question is whether there is an option anywhere that effects whether SEENBY lines and/or PATH lines are added/stripped, and if so where.
    I have had a complaint that packets are arriving upstream with only a PATH of the system they have been sent to, and not including my systems in the path ie I sent from 4:920/69 to 4:920/1 to 2:301/1. When the packet arrives at 2:301/1, the PATH is completely missing and the SEENBY is "SEEN-BY: 301/1".

    All the best
    John

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  • From Matthias Hertzog@2:301/1 to Boondock on Mon May 24 13:57:56 2021
    Hello John

    My question is whether there is an option anywhere that effects
    whether SEENBY lines and/or PATH lines are added/stripped, and if so where. I have had a complaint that packets are arriving upstream with
    only a PATH of the system they have been sent to, and not including my systems in the path ie I sent from 4:920/69 to 4:920/1 to 2:301/1.
    When the packet arrives at 2:301/1, the PATH is completely missing and
    the SEENBY is " All the best John

    SEEN+BY: 218/700 280/464 301/1 103/705
    @P+TH: 103/705

    4:920/1 is not in the PATH, and not in the SEEN+BY lines either.
    The problem is real.

    Matthias
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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Matthias Hertzog on Mon May 24 14:11:02 2021
    Hi Matthias,

    On 2021-05-24 13:57:57, you wrote to Boondock:

    My question is whether there is an option anywhere that effects
    whether SEENBY lines and/or PATH lines are added/stripped, and if so
    where. I have had a complaint that packets are arriving upstream with
    only a PATH of the system they have been sent to, and not including my
    systems in the path ie I sent from 4:920/69 to 4:920/1 to 2:301/1.
    When the packet arrives at 2:301/1, the PATH is completely missing and
    the SEENBY is " All the best John

    SEEN+BY: 218/700 280/464 301/1 103/705
    @P+TH: 103/705

    4:920/1 is not in the PATH, and not in the SEEN+BY lines either.
    The problem is real.

    This is normal for the synchronet specific areas. They are exchanged using QWK with the other synchronet systems in their network. The QWK network is not FTN, and don't contain the PATH and SEENBY lines, afaik...

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Matthias Hertzog@2:301/1 to Wilfred van Velzen on Mon May 24 14:30:32 2021
    Hello Wilfred!

    4:920/1 is not in the PATH, and not in the SEEN+BY lines either.
    The problem is real.

    This is normal for the synchronet specific areas. They are exchanged
    using QWK with the other synchronet systems in their network. The QWK network is not FTN, and don't contain the PATH and SEENBY lines,
    afaik...

    The problem occours with every mail leaving John's system. Since John is writing mails using different systems, it's quite difficult to diagnose from outside. However, since 4:4/0 is processing mails again, i've received 813 dupes from 4:920/1, all without path and all without seen by.

    Matthias
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  • From John Dovey@4:920/1 to Wilfred van Velzen on Mon May 24 12:46:18 2021
    Re: Re: Seenby/Path
    By: Wilfred van Velzen to Matthias Hertzog on Mon May 24 2021 14:11:03

    This is normal for the synchronet specific areas. They are exchanged using QWK with the other synchronet systems in their network. The QWK network is not FTN, and don't contain the PATH and SEENBY lines, afaik...

    True. Only when gated to FidoNet does it come into play. This message for example is posted on the same conference but the FidoNet version, so *should* have the correct path/seen-bys... ???
    John

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  • From Matthias Hertzog@2:301/1 to Wilfred van Velzen on Mon May 24 14:50:58 2021
    Hello Wilfred!

    Dupes originating from 4:920/1 or other systems also?

    All received by 4:920/1 here, original messages were from all kind of people from all over the world. The messages went from 4:4/0's system to 4:920/1's system and then got packed for 2:301/1, without seen by and without path.

    Did they not contain any seen-by and path lines at all? Because in FN_SYSOP there were messages from Fernando Toledo today, that did
    contain the full path:
    @PATH: 902/26 27 90/1 229/426 301/1 280/464
    So it doesn't seem to be a general problem at 4:4/0. And if they went through 4:4/0 these dupes should at least contain the path from 90/1,
    and some SEEN+BY's...

    I agree, that would be the expected behaviour.
    I think it's caused by 4:920/1's system, John Dovey.

    Matthias
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  • From John Dovey@4:920/1 to Matthias Hertzog on Mon May 24 13:03:58 2021
    Re: Seenby/Path
    By: Matthias Hertzog to Wilfred van Velzen on Mon May 24 2021 14:50:59


    I agree, that would be the expected behaviour.
    I think it's caused by 4:920/1's system, John Dovey.
    Yup. Mea Culpa, Mea Maxima Culpa.
    You know why. Working on fixing it.
    John

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  • From Matthias Hertzog@2:301/1 to Wilfred van Velzen on Mon May 24 15:11:50 2021
    Hello Wilfred!

    Eithe 301/1 strips the path line, or it doesn't contain any upon
    arrival at 301/1...

    My system does not strip. I've even looked at the inbound-backup and
    can confirm, that it arrived here without a path line ... and no
    seen by.

    Matthias
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  • From Matthias Hertzog@2:301/1 to Wilfred van Velzen on Mon May 24 15:15:00 2021
    Hello Wilfred!

    So you received them from 4:920/1 directly? That wasn't clear to me.
    yes

    Have you inspected the .pkt files directly? As received from 4:920/1?
    yes

    Did they not contain any seen-by and path lines at all?
    confirm, they did not contain seen by and path lines.

    Because
    in FN_SYSOP there were messages from Fernando Toledo today, that
    did contain the full path:
    @PATH: 902/26 27 90/1 229/426 301/1 280/464

    John is 4:920/1, and that's missing from the path.

    So it doesn't seem to be a general problem at 4:4/0. And if they
    went through 4:4/0 these dupes should at least contain the path
    from 90/1, and some SEEN+BY's...

    I agree, that would be the expected behaviour.
    I think it's caused by 4:920/1's system, John Dovey.

    On http://wiki.synchro.net/config:sbbsecho.ini

    I only see the 2 ZoneBlind(Threshold) settings that could be of influence...

    I saw them too, but John says, his version of software does not
    have these option. That's why he asked how to fix the problem.

    Matthias
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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Matthias Hertzog on Mon May 24 15:26:36 2021
    Hi Matthias,

    On 2021-05-24 15:15:01, you wrote to me:

    On http://wiki.synchro.net/config:sbbsecho.ini

    I only see the 2 ZoneBlind(Threshold) settings that could be of
    influence...

    I saw them too, but John says, his version of software does not
    have these option. That's why he asked how to fix the problem.

    He must be looking in the wrong place, because his version seems quite recent...

    Bye, Wilfred.
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  • From John Dovey@4:920/1 to Matthias Hertzog on Mon May 24 13:28:36 2021
    Re: Seenby/Path
    By: Matthias Hertzog to Wilfred van Velzen on Mon May 24 2021 15:15:01

    I only see the 2 ZoneBlind(Threshold) settings that could be of
    influence...

    I saw them too, but John says, his version of software does not
    have these option. That's why he asked how to fix the problem.
    No, I see the ZoneBlind options, just not any options to include or not the Seenbys and path.
    John

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to John Dovey on Mon May 24 15:44:12 2021
    Hi John,

    On 2021-05-24 13:28:36, you wrote to Matthias Hertzog:

    I only see the 2 ZoneBlind(Threshold) settings that could be of
    influence...

    I saw them too, but John says, his version of software does not
    have these option. That's why he asked how to fix the problem.

    No, I see the ZoneBlind options, just not any options to include or
    not the Seenbys and path.

    I don't think there are any "direct" setting for this. Have you set the ZoneBlind options as suggested on the wiki?:

    "Assume that node numbers are not duplicated across zones (set to true with a Threshold of 4 for ?FidoWeb? operation)"


    Bye, Wilfred.
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  • From Boondock@1:103/705 to Wilfred van Velzen on Mon May 24 14:05:30 2021
    Re: Re: Seenby/Path
    By: Wilfred van Velzen to John Dovey on Mon May 24 2021 15:44:12

    I don't think there are any "direct" setting for this. Have you set the ZoneBlind options as suggested on the wiki?:
    That option has never been changed from "disabled".

    Boondock
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  • From John Dovey@4:920/69 to Wilfred van Velzen on Mon May 24 09:42:04 2021
    Re: Re: Seenby/Path
    By: Wilfred van Velzen to John Dovey on Mon May 24 2021 15:44:12

    "Assume that node numbers are not duplicated across zones (set to true with a Threshold of 4 for ?FidoWeb? operation)"

    Ok, I've made that change and Matthias reports that it's now working as expected.
    Thank you for your assistance, much appreciated.

    All the best
    John

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to John Dovey on Mon May 24 17:46:08 2021
    Hi John,

    On 2021-05-24 09:42:05, you wrote to me:

    "Assume that node numbers are not duplicated across zones (set to
    true with a Threshold of 4 for ?FidoWeb? operation)"

    Ok, I've made that change and Matthias reports that it's now working as expected. Thank you for your assistance, much appreciated.

    I've dealt with it before, so I kind of suspected this could be the case here.

    @PATH: 920/69 1 301/1 280/464

    Confirmed! ;)

    Bye, Wilfred.
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  • From Al@1:153/757 to Boondock on Mon May 24 15:03:14 2021
    Hello Boondock,

    I don't think there are any "direct" setting for this. Have you
    set the ZoneBlind options as suggested on the wiki?:
    That option has never been changed from "disabled".

    I use ZoneBlind 1-4 in my setup so seen bys are not stripped in zone 1-4. I think that will get you in a better place.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al
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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Boondock on Mon May 24 18:31:32 2021
    Re: Seenby/Path
    By: Boondock to All on Mon May 24 2021 11:49 am

    I have a question. In the docs on http://www.synchro.net/docs/sbbsecho.html it has screenshots of the SBBSEcho configuration program. It looks nothing like the one on my system


    See https://wiki.synchro.net/util:sbbsecho for the current SBBSecho documentation.
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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Matthias Hertzog on Mon May 24 18:34:10 2021
    Re: Seenby/Path
    By: Matthias Hertzog to Wilfred van Velzen on Mon May 24 2021 02:30 pm

    The problem occours with every mail leaving John's system. Since John is writing mails using different systems, it's quite difficult to diagnose from outside. However, since 4:4/0 is processing mails again, i've received 813 dupes from 4:920/1, all without path and all without seen by.

    Sounds like maybe someone is gating DOVE-Net -> FidoNet that should not be.
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  • From John Dovey@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Mon May 24 21:12:38 2021
    Re: Seenby/Path
    By: Digital Man to Boondock on Mon May 24 2021 18:31:33

    See https://wiki.synchro.net/util:sbbsecho for the current SBBSecho documentation.

    Thank you. I added the help text from "echocfg" to the page as well as a comment about echomail crossing zone boundaries.
    http://wiki.synchro.net/util:sbbsecho#echocfg

    All the best
    John

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