• Re: Setting a default terminal type for a specific port

    From nelgin@1:103/705 to All on Wed Feb 14 16:29:38 2024
    On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 13:46:12 -0800
    "Digital Man" (VERT) <VERT!Digital.Man@endofthelinebbs.com> wrote:

    Re: Setting a default terminal type for a specific port
    By: vela025 to Digital Man on Wed Feb 14 2024 01:05 pm

    Thanks for the reply digital man.

    The answer.* file is displayed before login.js is executed, so
    you might
    want your answer.asc a blank/0-byte file (your >answer.ans could
    contain ANSI since it'll only be displayehd to ANSI-detected
    terminals).

    I did try something similar to this previously, however if a
    person logs on with their BBC Micro (and a Mode 7 .asc file has
    been created) as they haven't got to the logon prompt where it
    loads up their terminal preferences it just shows them the
    un-formatted file.

    I'm suggesting a blank/0-byte answer.asc file. Have your login.js
    file display something to these non-ANSI users if you like, but don't
    make it an answer.* file.

    You could check the server port in your login.js and take a
    different
    control path based on that.

    This sound like what I'd like to do, ideally I'd like when they
    login on port 6502 it sets their formatting as extended ascii on
    and utf8 and ansi off...but I'm at a loss on how to do that.

    Something like this in your exec/login.js:

    if(client.socket.local_port == 6502) {
    console.autoterm = 0;
    console.printfile("somefile");
    // etc.
    }

    He might have to specifically set the terminal type to accept IBM
    extended ASCII (CP437) otherwise SBBS will filter out the BBC Mode 7
    control codes also./sbbs/exec/load/termdesc.js may help with that.
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  • From nelgin@1:103/705 to All on Wed Feb 14 17:15:08 2024
    On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 14:34:17 -0800
    "vela025" (VERT) <VERT!vela025@endofthelinebbs.com> wrote:

    Something like this in your exec/login.js:

    Ahh OK I think that might be something I could manage, thank you.

    I'm currently playing with msglist.js so that it presents nicely in
    mode 7, however this breaks the ANSI version...could I have two
    versions of msglist.js (e.g. msglist.js and msglist7.js) and use a
    similar logic to above to direct the user to the correct version? Or
    would it be best to instead have an extra menu entry for the adapted msglist.js from the main menu?

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    Rather than trying to get the original to fit, I'd create a new one for
    Mode 7 though there's no reason why you couldn't check console.term_supports(USER_ANSI) I suppose and then decide what to do
    from there. Keep in mind, if you change anything in exec then you
    should move it to mods and if they're ever updated, you'll have to
    manually make changes accordingly. That might be why it could be easier
    to just create a new version for Mode 7.
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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to vela025 on Wed Feb 14 15:40:32 2024
    Re: Setting a default terminal type for a specific port
    By: vela025 to Digital Man on Wed Feb 14 2024 02:34 pm

    Something like this in your exec/login.js:

    Ahh OK I think that might be something I could manage, thank you.

    I'm currently playing with msglist.js so that it presents nicely in mode 7, however this breaks the ANSI version...could I have two versions of msglist.js (e.g. msglist.js and msglist7.js) and use a similar logic to above to direct the user to the correct version? Or would it be best to instead have an extra menu entry for the adapted msglist.js from the main menu?

    It'd be better if you didn't have to break the ANSI "version". Anyway, your msglist.js could detect a "mode 7" terminal somehow and then run msglist7.js (nested). But that's certainly not an ideal design.
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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to nelgin on Wed Feb 14 15:42:40 2024
    Re: Re: Setting a default terminal type for a specific port
    By: nelgin to All on Wed Feb 14 2024 04:29 pm

    On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 13:46:12 -0800
    "Digital Man" (VERT) <VERT!Digital.Man@endofthelinebbs.com> wrote:

    Re: Setting a default terminal type for a specific port
    By: vela025 to Digital Man on Wed Feb 14 2024 01:05 pm

    Thanks for the reply digital man.

    The answer.* file is displayed before login.js is executed, so
    you might
    want your answer.asc a blank/0-byte file (your >answer.ans could contain ANSI since it'll only be displayehd to ANSI-detected terminals).

    I did try something similar to this previously, however if a
    person logs on with their BBC Micro (and a Mode 7 .asc file has
    been created) as they haven't got to the logon prompt where it
    loads up their terminal preferences it just shows them the
    un-formatted file.

    I'm suggesting a blank/0-byte answer.asc file. Have your login.js
    file display something to these non-ANSI users if you like, but don't
    make it an answer.* file.

    You could check the server port in your login.js and take a
    different
    control path based on that.

    This sound like what I'd like to do, ideally I'd like when they
    login on port 6502 it sets their formatting as extended ascii on
    and utf8 and ansi off...but I'm at a loss on how to do that.

    Something like this in your exec/login.js:

    if(client.socket.local_port == 6502) {
    console.autoterm = 0;
    console.printfile("somefile");
    // etc.
    }

    He might have to specifically set the terminal type to accept IBM
    extended ASCII (CP437) otherwise SBBS will filter out the BBC Mode 7
    control codes also./sbbs/exec/load/termdesc.js may help with that.

    For terminal output, CP437 is the default charset, so no 8th bit filtering should be happening.

    When you say "accept IBM extended ASCII", it sounds like you're talking about input (from the user's keyboard), but I think you're talking about output (from the server).
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  • From nelgin@1:103/705 to All on Wed Feb 14 18:07:04 2024
    On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 15:42:40 -0800
    "Digital Man" (VERT) <VERT!Digital.Man@endofthelinebbs.com> wrote:


    For terminal output, CP437 is the default charset, so no 8th bit
    filtering should be happening.

    When you say "accept IBM extended ASCII", it sounds like you're
    talking about input (from the user's keyboard), but I think you're
    talking about output (from the server).

    If going through a terminal setup through Default User Settings,
    there's an option:

    Does your terminal support IBM extended ASCII (CP437)?

    If you select No, then the BBS will not send mode 7 characters. This
    has to be selected as yes.
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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to nelgin on Wed Feb 14 16:25:34 2024
    Re: Re: Setting a default terminal type for a specific port
    By: nelgin to All on Wed Feb 14 2024 06:07 pm

    On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 15:42:40 -0800
    "Digital Man" (VERT) <VERT!Digital.Man@endofthelinebbs.com> wrote:


    For terminal output, CP437 is the default charset, so no 8th bit
    filtering should be happening.

    When you say "accept IBM extended ASCII", it sounds like you're
    talking about input (from the user's keyboard), but I think you're
    talking about output (from the server).

    If going through a terminal setup through Default User Settings,
    there's an option:

    Does your terminal support IBM extended ASCII (CP437)?

    If you select No, then the BBS will not send mode 7 characters. This
    has to be selected as yes.

    Right and "yes" is the default.
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  • From nelgin@1:103/705 to All on Wed Feb 14 20:16:38 2024
    On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 16:25:35 -0800
    "Digital Man" (VERT) <VERT!Digital.Man@endofthelinebbs.com> wrote:

    Re: Re: Setting a default terminal type for a specific port
    By: nelgin to All on Wed Feb 14 2024 06:07 pm

    On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 15:42:40 -0800
    "Digital Man" (VERT) <VERT!Digital.Man@endofthelinebbs.com> wrote:


    For terminal output, CP437 is the default charset, so no 8th bit filtering should be happening.

    When you say "accept IBM extended ASCII", it sounds like you're
    talking about input (from the user's keyboard), but I think
    you're talking about output (from the server).

    If going through a terminal setup through Default User Settings,
    there's an option:

    Does your terminal support IBM extended ASCII (CP437)?

    If you select No, then the BBS will not send mode 7 characters.
    This has to be selected as yes.

    Right and "yes" is the default.


    Cool. That should do it then.
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