There was others like cheepware, freeware, and donationware.

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My faves were the ice programs by Jeremy Landvoigt. They were the most coolest out there. :-)

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Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Tue Jun 14 2022 09:59 am

IceChat runs on Synchronet BBS already. <shrug>
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Can you post your settings on the wiki.synchro.net site please? Thanks.

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Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Tue Jun 14 2022 01:32 pm

When I ran IceChat on Synchronet BBS it would freeze up for some reason or another. <sighs>

IceChat ran fine for me when I used it, but one issue I saw was that it would suddenly quit at seemingly random times when chatting with a user.

Nightfox

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DaiTengu to The Millionaire on Tue Jun 14 2022

_Technically_ if you crack the program, or use someone else's

license

you're still "stealing".

If the author can't be found or contacted though, it would be difficult to register the software..

Oh no, not the MajorBBS weenies again! (: (:

I tried to help them, but they are beyond all help.

"THIS STUFF IS WORTH SOMETHING! YOU'RE STEALING!"

Feh.


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Heh. I remember buying an AppleCat II modem. Cost me about 3 weeks pay at Long John Silvers! Gross.

I first called a BBS on a VT102.


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Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: DaiTengu to Nightfox on Tue Jun 14 2022 04:07 pm

Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: Nightfox to DaiTengu on Tue Jun 14 2022 12:15 pm

"abandonware" is a gray area. It really just means that anyone can
do whatever they like with the program, because the author no longer
maintains it, and there's no risk of the author coming after you.

_Technically_ if you crack the program, or use someone else's
license you're still "stealing".

If the author can't be found or contacted though, it would be difficult to register the software..

correct. But if the author suddenly appeared after 30 years of not being able to be reached, they could demand payment and would likely win litigation over it.

yeah you're right. people shouldn't rationalize stealing.
maybe the guy never wanted it out.

i steal because i steal
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Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: MRO to DaiTengu on Wed Jun 15 2022 06:36 am

yeah you're right. people shouldn't rationalize stealing.
maybe the guy never wanted it out.

i steal because i steal

I've been listed in my fair share of NFO files over the years.

DaiTengu

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Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: Nightfox to DesotoFireflite on Wed Jun 15 2022 01:14 pm

Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: DesotoFireflite to Nightfox on Wed Jun 15 2022 03:15 pm

That's how my RemoteAccess is now. I used IceChat for that when I
was running it in the 90's, and still use it today. I never
remembered it dropping out like that, but I was using Lantastic with
dos with 6 nodes. I haven't used it enough lately to see if it acts
up on windows 10

Yeah, IceChat always worked fine on DOS with RemoteAccess for me in the 90s. I was saying it exits unexpectedly when I've used it on a modern PC with Synchronet.

Might be a command lind switch thing, but odds are it's windows related. I haven't noticed anything acting up with it, but honestly, I don't know when was the last time I did a sysop chat on any of my systems. I run it on both RemoteAccess, and GAP, haven't tried it yet on Synchronet, but may play with it some. I'll let you know if I notice anything.

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Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: DaiTengu to MRO on Wed Jun 15 2022 11:31 am

and the guy that claims to own the rights to majorbbs doesn't own
the rights. ---

Is this story documented anywhere? I love me some good old-timey BBS drama, but don't want to put someone through having to explain it all to me.

I don't know - but it reminds me of the guy who ran Commodore USA a few years ago (he passed away a couple of years ago).

He couldn't figure out who owned the IP/Copyrights to Commodore, so he just started selling Commodore branded stuff until somebody sued him (and they did).

What's crazy is he worked out a licencing deal with the company that sued him, but then he got sued *again* by someone else saying they didn't own the rights either, they were a licencee that couldn't sub-licence.

When the dust settled from the lawsuits, I don't think he had to pay anybody anything and basically owned the Commodore name and some of the tradmarks, mostly because nobody used them in a long time and he called dibs.

So yea, appearantly you can just claim to own something until someone sues you, lol.
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Re: Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: Grimpen to Xerxes on Thu Jun 16 2022 10:21 am

I don't know - but it reminds me of the guy who ran Commodore USA a
few years ago (he passed away a couple of years ago).

He couldn't figure out who owned the IP/Copyrights to Commodore, so
he just started selling Commodore branded stuff until somebody sued
him (and they did).

...

So yea, appearantly you can just claim to own something until
someone sues you, lol.

I liked the old copyright requirement where you had to re-register your copyright every 20 years or so. If a property wasn't valuable to the original author, it reverted to the public domain. Neatly solves the problem of Abandonware.

I agree with this. Intellectual property is tricky stuff, I seem to recall that a large driver around those changes in the 90s was for Disney for Mikey Mouse. There has to be a way to protect IP long term but also let things go if the author/owner isn't interested. That's what our whole copyright/patent/trademark system was orginally designed for - to have stuff go into the public domain particularly if they were not being used.

There is the case of LORD as well. Seth Robinson said in an interview he wants to buy back the rights to LORD for the same amount that he was paid for it so he can open source it and release a key-gen for 4.07+ (and also so he can do other stuff with LORD, but not a new BBS game). He can't get a hold of anyone at Metropolis Gameport to have that conversation, just like most of the people who try to register it.
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It sounds like you run Dovenet too. :-P

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