Does anyone knows how to use the Raspberry Debug Probe with a Raspberry
Pi 3B? I've googled but the articles I've found only explains how to
use it with Raspberry Picos. I have a tricky issue to diagnose and it
needs hardware level debugging to see what's going wrong with it.

Many thanks if you can point me in the right direction.
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Single Stage to Orbit <alex.buell@munted.eu> wrote:

Does anyone knows how to use the Raspberry Debug Probe with a Raspberry
Pi 3B? I've googled but the articles I've found only explains how to
use it with Raspberry Picos. I have a tricky issue to diagnose and it
needs hardware level debugging to see what's going wrong with it.

What do you want to debug? The regular Pis have JTAG to which you can hook
up a debug probe and run something like OpenOCD+gdb on another machine (you
can likely do that from another Pi using GPIO, or a USB JTAG widget). But you're debugging the whole OS including all the daemons and whatnot that are running on it. Unless your issue is with the kernel itself (eg a boot
failure) or with some code running bare-metal, I don't think JTAG is going
to help much.

The Pico's Debug Probe provides SWD, which is for microcontrollers but not
for application-cores on the big Pis. It provides 2 signal wires where JTAG needs 4, so I don't think you could repurpose it for JTAG even if you wanted to.

Theo

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On Sat, 2024-06-22 at 17:28 +0100, Theo wrote:

Single Stage to Orbit <alex.buell@munted.eu> wrote:

Does anyone knows how to use the Raspberry Debug Probe with a
Raspberry Pi 3B? I've googled but the articles I've found only
explains how to use it with Raspberry Picos. I have a tricky issue
to diagnose and it needs hardware level debugging to see what's
going wrong with it.

What do you want to debug?  The regular Pis have JTAG to which you
can hook up a debug probe and run something like OpenOCD+gdb on
another machine (you can likely do that from another Pi using GPIO,
or a USB JTAG widget).  But you're debugging the whole OS including
all the daemons and whatnot that are running on it.  Unless your
issue is with the kernel itself (eg a boot failure) or with some code
running bare-metal, I don't think JTAG is going to help much.

The Pico's Debug Probe provides SWD, which is for microcontrollers
but not for application-cores on the big Pis.  It provides 2 signal
wires where JTAG needs 4, so I don't think you could repurpose it for
JTAG even if you wanted to.

So that's the difference, thanks for the info, much appreciated. To sum
up SWD on the Raspberry Pi probe only good enough for rp2040s and
others with SWD.

What do you suggest I use on raspberrypi instead? It is indeed the boot
process I need to debug. It is working OK in Qemu 9.x but does not boot
on real rpi hardware, either rpi3 and rpi4.
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Single Stage to Orbit <alex.buell@munted.eu> wrote:

So that's the difference, thanks for the info, much appreciated. To sum
up SWD on the Raspberry Pi probe only good enough for rp2040s and
others with SWD.

What do you suggest I use on raspberrypi instead? It is indeed the boot process I need to debug. It is working OK in Qemu 9.x but does not boot
on real rpi hardware, either rpi3 and rpi4.

I'd maybe try a second RPi running OpenOCD and the GPIO to drive the JTAG
pins on the first RPi:
https://forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?t=336001

Theo

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On Tue, 2024-06-25 at 15:21 +0100, Theo wrote:

What do you suggest I use on raspberrypi instead? It is indeed the
boot process I need to debug. It is working OK in Qemu 9.x but does
not boot on real rpi hardware, either rpi3 and rpi4.

I'd maybe try a second RPi running OpenOCD and the GPIO to drive the
JTAG pins on the first RPi: https://forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?t=336001

Thanks, that's useful information, I appreciate that.
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