• Raspberry Pi Imager

    From Bob Latham@3:770/3 to All on Mon Jan 29 11:17:46 2024
    I don't normally use the imager, I download the OS direct and burn it
    using Win32 Disk Imager but I thought I should try out Rpi Imager.

    I like to write notes on everything I do so I'll know next time and
    so I tried to make notes on using Rpi Imager. Dear me.

    First off I found that the OS choice menu kept changing. If you
    selected it first then you could select any RPi OS but if you select
    pi3 first then OS options disappear. I don't meant OS for pi 4 or pi
    5 I'd understand that but Bookworm 32 bit lite is removed from the
    menu. Why??? Grrr.

    So I saw an option to install an OS image you have stored. I tried
    that but it doesn't allow you to look anywhere but the C drive for
    it, certainly not an unmapped NAS.

    Is this me? Or is this tool just a bit pants?

    Bob.

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  • From JJenssen@3:770/3 to All on Mon Jan 29 13:17:06 2024
    Am 29.01.24 um 12:43 schrieb The Natural Philosopher:
    On 29/01/2024 11:17, Bob Latham wrote:
    I don't normally use the imager, I download the OS direct and burn it
    using Win32 Disk Imager but I thought I should try out Rpi Imager.

    I like to write notes on everything I do so I'll know next time and
    so I tried to make notes on using Rpi Imager. Dear me.

    First off I found that the OS choice menu kept changing. If you
    selected it first then you could select any RPi OS but if you select
    pi3 first then OS options disappear. I don't meant OS for pi 4 or pi
    5 I'd understand that but Bookworm 32 bit lite is removed from the
    menu. Why???  Grrr.

    So I saw an option to install an OS image you have stored. I tried
    that but it doesn't allow you to look anywhere but the C drive for
    it, certainly not an unmapped NAS.

    Is this me? Or is this tool just a bit pants?

    Bob.

    Dunno m8. Never used it. Always burn the image onto the boot device.
    I reckoned it was for dumb (blonde) windows users...

    AFAIK there is no and will not be a 64b BOOKWORM.
    If I'm wrong let me know.

    ---

    Regards
    JJenssen

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@3:770/3 to Bob Latham on Mon Jan 29 11:43:18 2024
    On 29/01/2024 11:17, Bob Latham wrote:
    I don't normally use the imager, I download the OS direct and burn it
    using Win32 Disk Imager but I thought I should try out Rpi Imager.

    I like to write notes on everything I do so I'll know next time and
    so I tried to make notes on using Rpi Imager. Dear me.

    First off I found that the OS choice menu kept changing. If you
    selected it first then you could select any RPi OS but if you select
    pi3 first then OS options disappear. I don't meant OS for pi 4 or pi
    5 I'd understand that but Bookworm 32 bit lite is removed from the
    menu. Why??? Grrr.

    So I saw an option to install an OS image you have stored. I tried
    that but it doesn't allow you to look anywhere but the C drive for
    it, certainly not an unmapped NAS.

    Is this me? Or is this tool just a bit pants?

    Bob.

    Dunno m8. Never used it. Always burn the image onto the boot device.
    I reckoned it was for dumb (blonde) windows users...
    --
    Karl Marx said religion is the opium of the people.
    But Marxism is the crack cocaine.

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  • From Chris Green@3:770/3 to The Natural Philosopher on Mon Jan 29 12:21:48 2024
    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 29/01/2024 11:17, Bob Latham wrote:
    I don't normally use the imager, I download the OS direct and burn it
    using Win32 Disk Imager but I thought I should try out Rpi Imager.

    I like to write notes on everything I do so I'll know next time and
    so I tried to make notes on using Rpi Imager. Dear me.

    First off I found that the OS choice menu kept changing. If you
    selected it first then you could select any RPi OS but if you select
    pi3 first then OS options disappear. I don't meant OS for pi 4 or pi
    5 I'd understand that but Bookworm 32 bit lite is removed from the
    menu. Why??? Grrr.

    So I saw an option to install an OS image you have stored. I tried
    that but it doesn't allow you to look anywhere but the C drive for
    it, certainly not an unmapped NAS.

    Is this me? Or is this tool just a bit pants?

    Bob.

    Dunno m8. Never used it. Always burn the image onto the boot device.
    I reckoned it was for dumb (blonde) windows users...

    Well it used to be but with the increasing paranoia about security if
    you want a headless Pi with a working ssh login it's really quite
    difficult 'by hand' whereas Pi Imager makes it fairly straightforward.

    --
    Chris Green
    ·

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  • From JJenssen@3:770/3 to All on Mon Jan 29 13:31:24 2024
    Am 29.01.24 um 13:17 schrieb JJenssen:
    Am 29.01.24 um 12:43 schrieb The Natural Philosopher:
    On 29/01/2024 11:17, Bob Latham wrote:
    I don't normally use the imager, I download the OS direct and burn it
    using Win32 Disk Imager but I thought I should try out Rpi Imager.

    I like to write notes on everything I do so I'll know next time and
    so I tried to make notes on using Rpi Imager. Dear me.

    First off I found that the OS choice menu kept changing. If you
    selected it first then you could select any RPi OS but if you select
    pi3 first then OS options disappear. I don't meant OS for pi 4 or pi
    5 I'd understand that but Bookworm 32 bit lite is removed from the
    menu. Why???  Grrr.

    So I saw an option to install an OS image you have stored. I tried
    that but it doesn't allow you to look anywhere but the C drive for
    it, certainly not an unmapped NAS.

    Is this me? Or is this tool just a bit pants?

    Bob.

    Dunno m8. Never used it. Always burn the image onto the boot device.
    I reckoned it was for dumb (blonde) windows users...

    AFAIK there is no and will not be a 64b  BOOKWORM.
    If I'm wrong let me know.

    ---

    Regards
      JJenssen

    Silly me _> segmentation fault, brain dumped...
    It is valid for 32b

    ---

    Regards
    JJenssen

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  • From Joerg Walther@3:770/3 to Bob Latham on Mon Jan 29 13:48:54 2024
    Bob Latham wrote:

    First off I found that the OS choice menu kept changing. If you
    selected it first then you could select any RPi OS but if you select
    pi3 first then OS options disappear. I don't meant OS for pi 4 or pi
    5 I'd understand that but Bookworm 32 bit lite is removed from the
    menu. Why??? Grrr.

    When OS options disappear after selecting a certain model of Pi then
    obviously the OS is not available for this version of Pi. There may be
    some images available in beta stadium, but this should not be offered on
    the official Pi imager. The imager also gives you the opportunity so set
    a password prior to installing since standard passwords are no longer
    allowed on the latest versions of RPi OS

    So I saw an option to install an OS image you have stored. I tried
    that but it doesn't allow you to look anywhere but the C drive for
    it, certainly not an unmapped NAS.

    How is this supposed to work? The OS you run the installer on simply
    does not see the NAS if you do not map it first, so why not map it? It definitely works on other drives as C since I keep my downloads on E and
    use RPi imager from there and sometimes I have an image on my mapped
    NAS, which is I.

    -jw-

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  • From Bob Latham@3:770/3 to Chris Green on Mon Jan 29 12:58:46 2024
    In article <trhk8k-333l1.ln1@esprimo.zbmc.eu>,
    Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Dunno m8. Never used it. Always burn the image onto the boot
    device. I reckoned it was for dumb (blonde) windows users...

    Well it used to be but with the increasing paranoia about security
    if you want a headless Pi with a working ssh login it's really
    quite difficult 'by hand' whereas Pi Imager makes it fairly
    straightforward.

    If you're starting from scratch I take your point, the lack of
    default username/password has made it much harder. But that's only
    once really. I imagine that everyone now has a userconf.txt file
    ready to drop in alongside an empty ssh file.

    Bob.

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  • From Chris Elvidge@3:770/3 to Chris Green on Mon Jan 29 13:36:14 2024
    On 29/01/2024 12:21, Chris Green wrote:
    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 29/01/2024 11:17, Bob Latham wrote:
    I don't normally use the imager, I download the OS direct and burn it
    using Win32 Disk Imager but I thought I should try out Rpi Imager.

    I like to write notes on everything I do so I'll know next time and
    so I tried to make notes on using Rpi Imager. Dear me.

    First off I found that the OS choice menu kept changing. If you
    selected it first then you could select any RPi OS but if you select
    pi3 first then OS options disappear. I don't meant OS for pi 4 or pi
    5 I'd understand that but Bookworm 32 bit lite is removed from the
    menu. Why??? Grrr.

    So I saw an option to install an OS image you have stored. I tried
    that but it doesn't allow you to look anywhere but the C drive for
    it, certainly not an unmapped NAS.

    Is this me? Or is this tool just a bit pants?

    Bob.

    Dunno m8. Never used it. Always burn the image onto the boot device.
    I reckoned it was for dumb (blonde) windows users...

    Well it used to be but with the increasing paranoia about security if
    you want a headless Pi with a working ssh login it's really quite
    difficult 'by hand' whereas Pi Imager makes it fairly straightforward.


    And that's the problem - "fairly" straightforward.
    It assumes you have a compatible computer that can be loaded with the
    imager software.

    If there was an easily accessible page with instructions to do it
    without the imager all would be OK - but you have to look for it.

    Instructions should be on (or accessible from) the "Operating System
    Images" page - if you're here you have already decided not to use the
    imager - for creating wireless connection, ssh setup, initial user,
    initial password.

    Why is/are the instructions in a blog post* rather than on a page
    accessible from the Image page.

    * https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/raspberry-pi-bullseye-update-april-2022/


    --
    Chris Elvidge, England
    I WAS NOT TOUCHED "THERE" BY AN ANGEL

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  • From Joerg Walther@3:770/3 to Bob Latham on Mon Jan 29 16:03:58 2024
    Bob Latham wrote:

    There may be some images available in beta stadium, but this should
    not be offered on the official Pi imager.

    Agreed but we're not talking beta. "Compatible with: All Pi Models"
    yet blocked by Imager.

    OK, then you may have discovered a bug in this version of the imager, I
    haven't used it in a while and have not come across this version.

    -jw-

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  • From Bob Latham@3:770/3 to Joerg Walther on Mon Jan 29 14:20:12 2024
    In article
    <pa7frih1qikjeqmnd05t2rbjc8johequec@joergwalther.my-fqdn.de>,
    Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> wrote:
    Bob Latham wrote:

    First off I found that the OS choice menu kept changing. If you
    selected it first then you could select any RPi OS but if you
    select pi3 first then OS options disappear. I don't meant OS for
    pi 4 or pi 5 I'd understand that but Bookworm 32 bit lite is
    removed from the menu. Why??? Grrr.

    When OS options disappear after selecting a certain model of Pi
    then obviously the OS is not available for this version of Pi.

    I'm not too sure about that. Look at this page.. https://www.raspberrypi.com/software/operating-systems/
    Third option on the page...
    Raspberry Pi OS lite Bookworm and on the left along side that it says "Compatible with: All Pi Models".

    There may be some images available in beta stadium, but this should
    not be offered on the official Pi imager.

    Agreed but we're not talking beta. "Compatible with: All Pi Models"
    yet blocked by Imager.

    The imager also gives you the opportunity so set a password prior
    to installing since standard passwords are no longer allowed on the
    latest versions of RPi OS.

    I don't deny it has some advantages but it has serious limitations
    too.

    So I saw an option to install an OS image you have stored. I tried
    that but it doesn't allow you to look anywhere but the C drive for
    it, certainly not an unmapped NAS.

    How is this supposed to work?

    No idea but I have many bits of software that have no problem
    accessing files with a UNC path, Serif photo plus for example and
    Tag&rename for another off the top of my head.

    The OS you run the installer on
    simply does not see the NAS if you do not map it first,

    Not entirely true I don't think, else Serif etc. wouldn't work.

    so why not map it?

    There are reasons not to map drives, especially on drives not always
    switched on.

    It definitely works on other drives as C since I keep my
    downloads on E and use RPi imager from there and sometimes I have
    an image on my mapped NAS, which is I.

    Don't dispute it.



    Bob.

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  • From druck@3:770/3 to Bob Latham on Mon Jan 29 18:33:32 2024
    On 29/01/2024 11:17, Bob Latham wrote:
    I don't normally use the imager, I download the OS direct and burn it
    using Win32 Disk Imager but I thought I should try out Rpi Imager.
    [Snip]
    Is this me? Or is this tool just a bit pants?

    Last time I tried it, I set some of the advanced options such as ssh,
    username and WiFi SSID, but it didn't seem to work. SO I went back to dd
    and copying config files on to the FAT partition.

    ---druck

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  • From druck@3:770/3 to Bob Latham on Mon Jan 29 18:45:30 2024
    On 29/01/2024 11:17, Bob Latham wrote:
    So I saw an option to install an OS image you have stored. I tried
    that but it doesn't allow you to look anywhere but the C drive for
    it, certainly not an unmapped NAS.

    So your NAS was in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a
    disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard',
    and Raspberry Pi Imager didn't find it? - Tsk!

    ---druck

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  • From Bob Latham@3:770/3 to druck on Mon Jan 29 19:39:46 2024
    In article <up8rob$imuv$2@dont-email.me>,
    druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:
    On 29/01/2024 11:17, Bob Latham wrote:
    So I saw an option to install an OS image you have stored. I tried
    that but it doesn't allow you to look anywhere but the C drive for
    it, certainly not an unmapped NAS.

    So your NAS was in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a
    disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the
    Leopard', and Raspberry Pi Imager didn't find it? - Tsk!

    You forgot both the moat with crocodiles and the boiling oil. :-)

    Well, I'm used to PC software that is happy to use a UNC path and I
    was surprised and disappointed when Imager doesn't seem to.

    Bob.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@3:770/3 to Bob Latham on Tue Jan 30 05:33:08 2024
    On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 11:17:46 +0000 (GMT), Bob Latham wrote:

    I don't normally use the imager, I download the OS direct and burn it
    using Win32 Disk Imager but I thought I should try out Rpi Imager.

    What does it do that a simple “dd” command doesn’t?

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  • From Bob Latham@3:770/3 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Tue Jan 30 09:23:20 2024
    In article <upa1mk$s992$2@dont-email.me>,
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 11:17:46 +0000 (GMT), Bob Latham wrote:

    I don't normally use the imager, I download the OS direct and
    burn it using Win32 Disk Imager but I thought I should try out
    Rpi Imager.

    What does it do that a simple "dd" command doesn't?

    In truth I don't know enough to fully answer that question as I've
    little idea what 'dd' is or does.

    I would guess it is a Linux command and if so my only answer might be
    - burn an image to SD card on a PC.

    I was looking at Pi Imager because I should have a good reason for
    rejecting the default method and because I was looking for the best
    way in for a newbie, even newer than me. :-)

    Bob.

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  • From Bob Latham@3:770/3 to The Natural Philosopher on Tue Jan 30 13:02:12 2024
    In article <upanun$vden$8@dont-email.me>,
    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    I *think* from reading noob guides, that it does more than dump the
    OS on the card, it also allows a GUI interface to set up
    username/password, whether you want a gui desktop or a server,
    whether sshd is to be allowed and possibly login credentials for
    wifi. etc etc.

    In short all the things you do manually anyway when booting a pi
    first time. And using raspi-config

    Yes, that's why I didn't want to reject it just because it was
    unfamiliar.

    However, you do need to be careful which pi you tell it you're
    building an SD card for. If you say pi3 a lot of OS options get
    removed from the menu. To get them back lie and say it's a pi4 then
    they come back. Madness.

    Bob.

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  • From Joerg Walther@3:770/3 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Tue Jan 30 15:12:06 2024
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

    What does it do that a simple “dd” command doesn’t?

    You can set up username/password, enable ssh and Wifi credentials. Very
    useful and time-saving, especially for headless installs. (RPi OS lite)

    -jw-

    --

    And now for something completely different...

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  • From druck@3:770/3 to Bob Latham on Tue Jan 30 17:00:30 2024
    On 29/01/2024 19:39, Bob Latham wrote:
    In article <up8rob$imuv$2@dont-email.me>,
    druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:
    On 29/01/2024 11:17, Bob Latham wrote:
    So I saw an option to install an OS image you have stored. I tried
    that but it doesn't allow you to look anywhere but the C drive for
    it, certainly not an unmapped NAS.

    So your NAS was in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a
    disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the
    Leopard', and Raspberry Pi Imager didn't find it? - Tsk!

    You forgot both the moat with crocodiles and the boiling oil. :-)

    Well, I'm used to PC software that is happy to use a UNC path and I
    was surprised and disappointed when Imager doesn't seem to.

    Microsoft didn't make the use of UNC paths seamless across all APIs.

    ---druck

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  • From Anssi Saari@3:770/3 to Joerg Walther on Fri Feb 2 13:38:12 2024
    Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> writes:

    What does it do that a simple “dd” command doesn’t?

    You can set up username/password, enable ssh and Wifi credentials. Very useful and time-saving, especially for headless installs. (RPi OS lite)

    Did I misunderstand or has this basic config stuff become some kind of
    secret sauce? That you can't easily enable sshd for example by just
    editing a text file inside the image?

    My only remaining Pi runs Ubuntu and I think I configured that via the
    serial console but I'm really not sure, it's been a minute.

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@3:770/3 to Anssi Saari on Fri Feb 2 12:04:54 2024
    On 02/02/2024 11:38, Anssi Saari wrote:
    Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> writes:

    What does it do that a simple “dd” command doesn’t?

    You can set up username/password, enable ssh and Wifi credentials. Very
    useful and time-saving, especially for headless installs. (RPi OS lite)

    Did I misunderstand or has this basic config stuff become some kind of
    secret sauce? That you can't easily enable sshd for example by just
    editing a text file inside the image?

    I think you can. actually. Its just that noobs usually boot to a
    keyboard ans screen, or if they haven't one,. need a client computer GUI...

    I know...

    My only remaining Pi runs Ubuntu and I think I configured that via the
    serial console but I'm really not sure, it's been a minute.

    --
    "I guess a rattlesnake ain't risponsible fer bein' a rattlesnake, but ah
    puts mah heel on um jess the same if'n I catches him around mah chillun".

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