• "Power Rangers" ??? Seems No Way To Block This Person

    From 56g.1173@3:770/3 to All on Mon Dec 11 01:15:08 2023
    CSRPi has been infested with this bullshit for at
    least a month now. Constantly-changing addresses,
    identities, orgs ... no good way to block 'em unless
    you're writing your own NNTP apps and even then it'd
    be a lot of work.

    Usenet ain't what it used to be. Indeed it's just BARELY
    hanging on. Goog thinks it OWNS Usenet. Most ISPs no
    longer provide it because of "liability" issues for
    free speech/ideas/(and PORN).

    On the plus, Usenet is almost "underground" now, so
    "crude" that few use it or even know it exists. It
    also has the advantage of being UN-owned, despite
    what Goog may think. It's just a service on an
    old port.

    Hey, somewhere ... DO implement open NNTP with most
    every group imaginable .... and preferably on
    multiple PORTS so ISPs can't easily block it. It's
    not a money maker ... it's a "freedom" thing ...
    which is now more important than most realize,
    esp if your freedom has been recently snatched
    away by the latest Fearless Leader.

    Hey, as the spammer said, it's the Battle For
    The Grid :-)

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  • From Andy Burns@3:770/3 to All on Mon Dec 11 06:24:22 2023
    56g.1173 wrote:

    CSRPi has been infested with this bullshit for at
    least a month now. Constantly-changing addresses,
    identities, orgs ... no good way to block 'em

    Most people have figured-out what works for them ...

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  • From Ahem A Rivet's Shot@3:770/3 to 56g.1173@ztq9.net on Mon Dec 11 07:12:58 2023
    On Mon, 11 Dec 2023 01:15:09 -0500
    "56g.1173" <56g.1173@ztq9.net> wrote:

    CSRPi has been infested with this bullshit for at
    least a month now. Constantly-changing addresses,
    identities, orgs ... no good way to block 'em unless
    you're writing your own NNTP apps and even then it'd
    be a lot of work.

    First I've heard of it - cleanfeed must be suppressing it at E-S.

    --
    Steve O'Hara-Smith
    Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
    Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
    Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

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  • From Charlie Gibbs@3:770/3 to Ahem A Rivet's Shot on Mon Dec 11 19:07:54 2023
    On 2023-12-11, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:

    On Mon, 11 Dec 2023 01:15:09 -0500
    "56g.1173" <56g.1173@ztq9.net> wrote:

    CSRPi has been infested with this bullshit for at
    least a month now. Constantly-changing addresses,
    identities, orgs ... no good way to block 'em unless
    you're writing your own NNTP apps and even then it'd
    be a lot of work.

    First I've heard of it - cleanfeed must be suppressing it at E-S.

    It's a shame how many users have been driven away from so many
    newsgroups (including my favourite, alt.folklore.computers) by
    these yahoos. It appears that CSRPi has become home for a.f.c
    refugees, thread drift and all. I use slrn, and have fortunately
    found a way to drop the crap; I've added stanzas like this to
    ~/News/Score:

    [comp.*.*]
    Score: =-9999
    Expires: 9/14/2024
    Injection-Info: google*
    Newsgroup: comp\.*\.*

    This even allows legitimate Google vict^H^H^H^Husers at gmail.com
    to still post visibly.
    --
    /~\ Charlie Gibbs | The Internet is like a big city:
    \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | it has plenty of bright lights and
    X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | excitement, but also dark alleys
    / \ if you read it the right way. | down which the unwary get mugged.

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    * Origin: Agency HUB, Dunedin - New Zealand | Fido<>Usenet Gateway (3:770/3)
  • From Computer Nerd Kev@3:770/3 to 56g.1173@ztq9.net on Tue Dec 12 07:34:14 2023
    56g.1173 <56g.1173@ztq9.net> wrote:
    CSRPi has been infested with this bullshit for at
    least a month now. Constantly-changing addresses,
    identities, orgs ... no good way to block 'em unless
    you're writing your own NNTP apps and even then it'd
    be a lot of work.

    Sounds like the Google Groups spam has reached here then. For
    background see news.admin.net-abuse.usenet.

    You're using Thunderbird, and I believe many other Thunderbird
    users have killfiled all posts originating from Google Groups as a
    solution, but perhaps that's not what you'd call a "good way to
    block 'em".

    Many news servers have also started implementing spam filtering,
    or blocking all posts from Google Groups like the one I'm using
    did.

    --
    __ __
    #_ < |\| |< _# | Note: I won't see posts made from Google Groups |

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  • From 56g.1173@3:770/3 to Computer Nerd Kev on Mon Dec 11 23:51:44 2023
    On 12/11/23 4:34 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
    56g.1173 <56g.1173@ztq9.net> wrote:
    CSRPi has been infested with this bullshit for at
    least a month now. Constantly-changing addresses,
    identities, orgs ... no good way to block 'em unless
    you're writing your own NNTP apps and even then it'd
    be a lot of work.

    Sounds like the Google Groups spam has reached here then. For
    background see news.admin.net-abuse.usenet.

    You're using Thunderbird, and I believe many other Thunderbird
    users have killfiled all posts originating from Google Groups as a
    solution, but perhaps that's not what you'd call a "good way to
    block 'em".


    Alas there are also GOOD posts from people (foolishly)
    using GoogGroups. Don't want to burn them


    Many news servers have also started implementing spam filtering,
    or blocking all posts from Google Groups like the one I'm using
    did.

    Yea, semi-useful ... but, as said, also at a PRICE.

    You can PAY for what's supposed to be free, but bear
    in mind that paying TAGS you, so political harpies
    can later persecute/prosecute you for thought crimes ...

    What's NEEDED are more servers, pref in countries kinda
    off the map. Also needed, more alternate ports to thwart
    blocking. Yea, you can do it as web pages, but they're
    computationally/bandwidth expensive compared to NNTP.

    Hmm, maybe Musk could fork over some pocket-change ... ???
    Seems to be the only Important Person who "gets it"
    relative to free-speech/ideas anymore. Hell, even
    the French have buried Voltaire ......

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  • From Andy Burns@3:770/3 to All on Tue Dec 12 09:34:58 2023
    56g.1173 wrote:

      Alas there are also GOOD posts from people (foolishly)
      using GoogGroups. Don't want to burn them

    you appear to be using thunderbird (even though it's an old version, all
    of the following should apply)

    create a new address book, e.g. called "googlegroups-whitelist", add all
    the good authors email addrs to it

    create a message new filter e.g. called "selective-googlegroups" at the
    top level of your news server (giganews? earthlink?) with the following

    match ALL of the following

    message-id: CONTAINS @googlegroups.com

    from: ISN'T IN addr book googlegroups-whitelist

    and actions of

    mark as READ
    tag message as #6

    if you don't see message-id: in the list of fields, click customise...
    and add it

    you may already use tag #6 for other purposes, adjust accordingly, or
    don't bother tagging, I tag them as find it helpful to see how the
    filters are performing.

    </spoonfeed>

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  • From Richard Kettlewell@3:770/3 to 56g.1173@ztq9.net on Tue Dec 12 09:58:44 2023
    "56g.1173" <56g.1173@ztq9.net> writes:
    CSRPi has been infested with this bullshit for at least a month
    now. Constantly-changing addresses, identities, orgs ... no good way
    to block 'em unless you're writing your own NNTP apps and even then
    it'd be a lot of work.

    You need a news service provider with better spam filtering. I can’t
    promise “no spam” but it’s possible to kill a lot of it with
    responsively maintained filter.

    Usenet ain't what it used to be. Indeed it's just BARELY hanging
    on. Goog thinks it OWNS Usenet. Most ISPs no longer provide it because
    of "liability" issues for free speech/ideas/(and PORN).

    AIUI part of the issue is that institutionally speaking, Google has
    essentially forgotten about it.

    I’m not ready to block Google locally; it’s a major source of legitimate user as well as spam. But when I look at my logs I do see where the
    people advocating a full block are coming from:

    Dec 12 09:55:07 innmantic innd: rejecting[python] <9f027102-73ab-42a8-985b-c529a0e9c10fn@googlegroups.com> 439 Thai flood
    Dec 12 09:55:08 innmantic innd: rejecting[python] <f759c599-b396-4d89-ab3c-5b466a73ee89n@googlegroups.com> 439 spam keyword in body
    Dec 12 09:55:10 innmantic innd: rejecting[python] <d670653c-5f18-4bc1-82c1-0c4d973724d4n@googlegroups.com> 439 excessive links
    Dec 12 09:55:12 innmantic innd: rejecting[python] <45284bd4-1dac-440f-a069-ee2a11976793n@googlegroups.com> 439 EMP
    Dec 12 09:55:14 innmantic innd: rejecting[python] <50ea30b9-0aa7-45e7-a61c-1530082cf5d3n@googlegroups.com> 439 Thai flood
    Dec 12 09:55:17 innmantic innd: rejecting[python] <3f6a3a77-7af0-4074-8f08-57efd72c9921n@googlegroups.com> 439 spam keyword in subject
    Dec 12 09:55:18 innmantic innd: rejecting[python] <7db6ce52-065a-4bd5-9fff-4db7f0b40d68n@googlegroups.com> 439 Thai flood
    Dec 12 09:55:19 innmantic innd: rejecting[python] <2685bb73-01dd-405f-aea9-dbc1e6838eb4n@googlegroups.com> 439 Thai flood
    Dec 12 09:55:19 innmantic innd: rejecting[python] <7fe27d31-7bdb-4c4c-bce9-308bb201d6a4n@googlegroups.com> 439 spam keyword in body
    Dec 12 09:55:20 innmantic innd: rejecting[python] <841e9096-52de-45d7-aa99-7a2e40e78900n@googlegroups.com> 439 Thai flood
    Dec 12 09:55:22 innmantic innd: rejecting[python] <becbd864-9c09-4c35-a894-f3a5711ba4bcn@googlegroups.com> 439 Thai flood
    Dec 12 09:55:23 innmantic innd: rejecting[python] <ba9f5ca5-377e-44a0-81a7-db54059a9cfcn@googlegroups.com> 439 Thai flood
    Dec 12 09:55:23 innmantic innd: rejecting[python] <1f0eabaa-b3e9-4ad1-835c-f78ef4391088n@googlegroups.com> 439 Thai flood
    Dec 12 09:55:23 innmantic innd: rejecting[python] <30f15d6a-79b1-4d44-9abe-a8f0aa9d375bn@googlegroups.com> 439 Thai flood
    Dec 12 09:55:28 innmantic innd: rejecting[python] <a72a4d7f-b95a-45c6-b8c5-008f88f9c4c4n@googlegroups.com> 439 Thai flood
    Dec 12 09:55:29 innmantic innd: rejecting[python] <8af19f41-aabb-4347-ba74-ab17954d3391n@googlegroups.com> 439 spam keyword in body
    Dec 12 09:55:29 innmantic innd: rejecting[python] <ab7a8f90-168e-4fa8-942d-ab5241e7f6e0n@googlegroups.com> 439 Thai flood
    Dec 12 09:55:32 innmantic innd: rejecting[python] <7e5b3bde-3514-430d-8392-1b69189c0405n@googlegroups.com> 439 EMP
    Dec 12 09:55:32 innmantic innd: rejecting[python] <f0cd6eb9-bd97-4c56-822d-d681444ea187n@googlegroups.com> 439 spam keyword in body
    Dec 12 09:55:32 innmantic innd: rejecting[python] <eb325fa7-bf26-45bb-9355-f4555b08b91fn@googlegroups.com> 439 Thai flood
    Dec 12 09:55:33 innmantic innd: rejecting[python] <c8b46f7f-5c4c-46cc-89f8-64c98ff8c32en@googlegroups.com> 439 Thai flood
    Dec 12 09:55:33 innmantic innd: rejecting[python] <014009e5-28e0-441d-a64a-72426da7dc6bn@googlegroups.com> 439 EMP
    Dec 12 09:55:34 innmantic innd: rejecting[python] <db23b90f-2484-417b-a5c7-3954014ab3cfn@googlegroups.com> 439 Thai flood
    Dec 12 09:55:34 innmantic innd: rejecting[python] <327721b9-bf39-49ca-a1b2-c8cb88ffa534n@googlegroups.com> 439 Thai flood
    Dec 12 09:55:34 innmantic innd: rejecting[python] <9b285354-4374-408b-ae3f-ccb9d92407f4n@googlegroups.com> 439 Thai flood
    Dec 12 09:55:36 innmantic innd: rejecting[python] <1c32fe79-fc27-46fb-abec-2dea5f51baecn@googlegroups.com> 439 Thai flood
    Dec 12 09:55:36 innmantic innd: rejecting[python] <280aae9d-8259-4888-b110-41537505b311n@googlegroups.com> 439 excessive links
    Dec 12 09:55:37 innmantic innd: rejecting[python] <528e347c-1e19-4af0-98ca-4098f4ac31aan@googlegroups.com> 439 spam keyword in body
    Dec 12 09:55:37 innmantic innd: rejecting[python] <a1f4fee5-45d0-4679-8b0f-0045ef4c133bn@googlegroups.com> 439 EMP
    Dec 12 09:55:38 innmantic innd: rejecting[python] <a49298f7-4710-4a08-aa3f-79ebeec4bcccn@googlegroups.com> 439 Thai flood
    Dec 12 09:55:39 innmantic innd: rejecting[python] <7f139c84-a8a9-41c5-ae49-1eb6e447f030n@googlegroups.com> 439 spam keyword in body
    Dec 12 09:55:40 innmantic innd: rejecting[python] <df302f7a-9c2d-4ca8-9776-7e6dadf221c3n@googlegroups.com> 439 Thai flood
    Dec 12 09:55:42 innmantic innd: rejecting[python] <8860276e-3e7f-494d-8a60-50641bad33f9n@googlegroups.com> 439 Thai flood
    Dec 12 09:55:43 innmantic innd: rejecting[python] <25c281fa-623f-4ce4-bffb-acad30075f33n@googlegroups.com> 439 Thai flood
    Dec 12 09:55:44 innmantic innd: rejecting[python] <6b7ac2e0-8e4e-422e-b3cb-9d766a090af8n@googlegroups.com> 439 Thai flood
    Dec 12 09:55:45 innmantic innd: rejecting[python] <4cd5632c-d9ee-438c-9485-1bc570ab5e9cn@googlegroups.com> 439 Thai flood
    Dec 12 09:55:47 innmantic innd: rejecting[python] <fccf1360-a5e6-4bfa-82b0-3b0e7ee7476dn@googlegroups.com> 439 Thai flood
    Dec 12 09:55:50 innmantic innd: rejecting[python] <f0ce82ce-48a8-4c45-b667-d9838e0de6d7n@googlegroups.com> 439 Thai flood
    Dec 12 09:55:50 innmantic innd: rejecting[python] <d70d5961-822e-4bc1-be22-bbb476855db3n@googlegroups.com> 439 Thai flood

    --
    https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

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  • From Charlie Gibbs@3:770/3 to Richard Kettlewell on Tue Dec 12 19:43:20 2023
    On 2023-12-12, Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    I’m not ready to block Google locally; it’s a major source of legitimate user as well as spam. But when I look at my logs I do see where the
    people advocating a full block are coming from:

    <list snipped>

    I took a close look at some of this spam, and found that it
    contains an "Injection-Info: google..." header that isn't
    in legitimate messages, whether they're from a Google user
    or not. By adding the following stanza to ~/News/Score
    (I'm using slrn), I'm able to drop the spam while retaining
    legitimate messages with gmail.com on the From: line.

    [comp.*.*]
    Score: =-9999
    Expires: 9/14/2024
    Injection-Info: google*
    Newsgroup: comp\.*\.*

    --
    /~\ Charlie Gibbs | The Internet is like a big city:
    \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | it has plenty of bright lights and
    X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | excitement, but also dark alleys
    / \ if you read it the right way. | down which the unwary get mugged.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@3:770/3 to Charlie Gibbs on Wed Dec 13 03:05:50 2023
    On 12/12/2023 19:43, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
    On 2023-12-12, Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    I’m not ready to block Google locally; it’s a major source of legitimate >> user as well as spam. But when I look at my logs I do see where the
    people advocating a full block are coming from:

    <list snipped>

    I took a close look at some of this spam, and found that it
    contains an "Injection-Info: google..." header that isn't
    in legitimate messages, whether they're from a Google user
    or not. By adding the following stanza to ~/News/Score
    (I'm using slrn), I'm able to drop the spam while retaining
    legitimate messages with gmail.com on the From: line.

    [comp.*.*]
    Score: =-9999
    Expires: 9/14/2024
    Injection-Info: google*
    Newsgroup: comp\.*\.*

    Fore some reason injection info didnt work on thunderbird, but message
    ID contains googlegroups did IIRC.

    --
    Those who want slavery should have the grace to name it by its proper
    name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating
    or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its
    logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of
    the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must
    face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not.

    Ayn Rand.

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  • From Andy Burns@3:770/3 to The Natural Philosopher on Wed Dec 13 08:53:04 2023
    The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    Charlie Gibbs wrote:

    I took a close look at some of this spam, and found that it
    contains an "Injection-Info: google..." header that isn't
    in legitimate messages, whether they're from a Google user
    or not.

    Fore some reason injection info didnt work on thunderbird, but message
    ID contains googlegroups did IIRC.

    The advantage with filtering based on the message-id: header is that
    it's always included in the OVERVIEW.FMT set of headers returned by the
    LIST and OVER NNTP commands, so the client doesn't have to issue extra
    commands to (try) and retrieve additional headers that may, or may not,
    be present ...

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  • From scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us@3:770/3 to Charlie Gibbs on Thu Dec 14 22:05:06 2023
    Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
    On 2023-12-12, Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    I’m not ready to block Google locally; it’s a major source of legitimate >> user as well as spam. But when I look at my logs I do see where the
    people advocating a full block are coming from:

    <list snipped>

    I took a close look at some of this spam, and found that it
    contains an "Injection-Info: google..." header that isn't
    in legitimate messages, whether they're from a Google user
    or not. By adding the following stanza to ~/News/Score
    (I'm using slrn), I'm able to drop the spam while retaining
    legitimate messages with gmail.com on the From: line.

    [comp.*.*]
    Score: =-9999
    Expires: 9/14/2024
    Injection-Info: google*
    Newsgroup: comp\.*\.*

    Any idea how I might do this with tin, or do I need to shitcan tin and
    replace it with something else? Its filtering appears to be restricted to a handful of common header lines (such as From and Subject) and doesn't appear
    to allow filtering on just any header line. What little documentation I've been able to find has been woefully inadequate.

    (I'd been using trn (and rn before that) for decades, but it hasn't been updated in nearly as long and I can't get it to build on reasonably modern Gentoo Linux systems anymore.)

    --
    _/_
    / v \ Scott Alfter (remove the obvious to send mail)
    (IIGS( https://alfter.us/ Top-posting!
    \_^_/ >What's the most annoying thing on Usenet?

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  • From Robert Riches@3:770/3 to scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us on Fri Dec 15 03:37:04 2023
    On 2023-12-14, scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us <scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us> wrote:
    Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
    On 2023-12-12, Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    I’m not ready to block Google locally; it’s a major source of legitimate
    user as well as spam. But when I look at my logs I do see where the
    people advocating a full block are coming from:

    <list snipped>

    I took a close look at some of this spam, and found that it
    contains an "Injection-Info: google..." header that isn't
    in legitimate messages, whether they're from a Google user
    or not. By adding the following stanza to ~/News/Score
    (I'm using slrn), I'm able to drop the spam while retaining
    legitimate messages with gmail.com on the From: line.

    [comp.*.*]
    Score: =-9999
    Expires: 9/14/2024
    Injection-Info: google*
    Newsgroup: comp\.*\.*

    Any idea how I might do this with tin, or do I need to shitcan tin and replace it with something else? Its filtering appears to be restricted to a handful of common header lines (such as From and Subject) and doesn't appear to allow filtering on just any header line. What little documentation I've been able to find has been woefully inadequate.

    (I'd been using trn (and rn before that) for decades, but it hasn't been updated in nearly as long and I can't get it to build on reasonably modern Gentoo Linux systems anymore.)

    It worked great for me with slrn (on a non-Raspberry-Pi system).

    HTH

    --
    Robert Riches
    spamtrap42@jacob21819.net
    (Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

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  • From 56g.1183@3:770/3 to Andy Burns on Thu Dec 21 02:00:34 2023
    On 12/12/23 4:34 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
    56g.1173 wrote:

       Alas there are also GOOD posts from people (foolishly)
       using GoogGroups. Don't want to burn them

    you appear to be using thunderbird (even though it's an old version, all
    of the following should apply)

    create a new address book, e.g. called "googlegroups-whitelist", add all
    the good authors email addrs to it

    Um ... NO.

    Far too much work - and highly discriminatory against
    those I don't already KNOW to post useful stuff (even
    if they ARE annoying :-)

    For Usenet ... "kill filters" are best for Bad Posters.
    View, judge, then act if necessary. It's more "democratic"
    and "free speech" .......

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  • From Andy Burns@3:770/3 to All on Thu Dec 21 08:41:46 2023
    56g.1183 wrote:

      Far too much work - and highly discriminatory against
      those I don't already KNOW to post useful stuff (even
      if they ARE annoying

    Well, google are soon going to do it for you, all their users will be indiscriminately dumped.

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@3:770/3 to Andy Burns on Thu Dec 21 10:13:20 2023
    On 21/12/2023 08:41, Andy Burns wrote:
    56g.1183 wrote:

       Far too much work - and highly discriminatory against
       those I don't already KNOW to post useful stuff (even
       if they ARE annoying

    Well, google are soon going to do it for you, all their users will be indiscriminately dumped.

    Which is good, because all those who care about Usenet will find another
    way to post.

    --
    There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale
    returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.

    Mark Twain

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  • From Andy Burns@3:770/3 to The Natural Philosopher on Thu Dec 21 10:58:30 2023
    The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    all those who care about Usenet will find another way to post.

    You'd think, but I've seen a few users (who presumably used a client and
    had an account on a server before google took deja) say they can't be
    bothered if it's more involved than a web page ...

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  • From 56g.1183@3:770/3 to Andy Burns on Thu Dec 21 23:24:28 2023
    On 12/21/23 3:41 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
    56g.1183 wrote:

       Far too much work - and highly discriminatory against
       those I don't already KNOW to post useful stuff (even
       if they ARE annoying

    Well, google are soon going to do it for you, all their users will be indiscriminately dumped.


    Which is why I don't use their 'service' ... censorious bastards
    in the best totalitarian traditions.

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  • From 56g.1183@3:770/3 to The Natural Philosopher on Thu Dec 21 23:37:20 2023
    On 12/21/23 7:05 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 21/12/2023 11:33, TimS wrote:
    On 21 Dec 2023 at 10:58:30 GMT, "Andy Burns" <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    all those who care about Usenet will find another way to post.

    You'd think, but I've seen a few users (who presumably used a client and >>> had an account on a server before google took deja) say they can't be
    bothered if it's more involved than a web page ...

    Well knickers to 'em then.

    I tend to concur with that sentiment.


    Note that, maybe deliberately, there are a lot FEWER
    ways to post. Almost all ISPs have dropped usenet
    because there might be some 'naughty' content. The
    remaining free providers often offer few groups, and
    will themselves censor groups they have political
    disagreement with. You can still PAY for access from
    a dedicated provider - but then you set yourself up
    for doxxing/retaliation to a greater degree.

    So, on the whole, not good.

    Dedication to free-speech/expression is hard to find
    in the modern world. Despite its semi-obscure status
    usenet/free-exchange is seen as a 'threat' by many.

    One POSSIBLE hope ... Elon Musk. He really does seem to
    "get it" relative to free speech. If prompted, he could
    very quietly add a usenet feed to his stuff - preferably
    almost entirely undocumented. The bandwidth would be
    utterly insignificant.

    Another important bit for the future ... offer usenet
    on multiple PORTS, not just the standard. This would
    make it harder for ISPs to just cut out the NNTP port
    entirely. Some ISPs cut out 'insecure' mail ports
    already, they can easily add more and expect the
    current pols to encourage that.

    I am going to craft a letter and attempt to get it
    to Musk (though he DOES have a lot on his table).
    Maybe he'll get it, maybe not, but at least there
    would be an ATTEMPT. Doing nothing GETS you nothing.

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  • From Scott Alfter@3:770/3 to cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid on Thu Dec 28 21:37:54 2023
    In article <sJ2eN.20230$p%Mb.16374@fx15.iad>,
    Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
    I took a close look at some of this spam, and found that it
    contains an "Injection-Info: google..." header that isn't
    in legitimate messages, whether they're from a Google user
    or not. By adding the following stanza to ~/News/Score
    (I'm using slrn), I'm able to drop the spam while retaining
    legitimate messages with gmail.com on the From: line.

    [comp.*.*]
    Score: =-9999
    Expires: 9/14/2024
    Injection-Info: google*
    Newsgroup: comp\.*\.*

    Adding this to ~/News/KILL works for trn:

    /Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com/h:j

    I never did figure out how to do the same thing with tin, which is why I'm
    back to using trn again. (Figured out how to run it in a container, so it's more easily portable between different Linux systems.)

    --
    _/_
    / v \ Scott Alfter (remove the obvious to send mail)
    (IIGS( https://alfter.us/ Top-posting!
    \_^_/ >What's the most annoying thing on Usenet?

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