• Chromium browser stopped working again...

    From bob prohaska@3:770/3 to All on Mon Jun 5 01:29:16 2023
    Following a recent update the chromium browser is again
    not working correctly. The most obvious defect is a persistent
    "page unresponsive" window when trying to view YouTube.

    Firefox-ESR works fine, so it isn't YouTube's fault.

    If anybody's got a hint please share it.

    uname -a reports
    Linux raspberrypi 6.1.21-v8+ #1642 SMP PREEMPT Mon Apr 3 17:24:16 BST 2023 aarch64 GNU/Linux

    The chromium browsers "about" window reports
    Version 113.0.5672.95 (OfficialBuild) built on Debian, running on Debian 11 (64-bit)

    For some reason I had to transcribe that line, select-right-click-copy
    didn't work. Not sure it's significant, never tried that before.

    Thanks for reading and any guidance.

    bob prohaska

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  • From druck@3:770/3 to bob prohaska on Mon Jun 5 20:53:52 2023
    On 05/06/2023 02:29, bob prohaska wrote:
    Following a recent update the chromium browser is again
    not working correctly. The most obvious defect is a persistent
    "page unresponsive" window when trying to view YouTube.

    I don't know if that is related to the problems I've been having with
    Chromium 113 and the BBC News website on my Bullseye Pi 4s, where all
    apart from the first picture on the page isn't displayed, videos aren't displayed too. I removed ublock origin and no-script to eliminate them,
    and it still happens with no extensions.

    Firefox-ESR works fine, so it isn't YouTube's fault.

    Firefox-ESR shows the BBC News website correctly, however it's
    noticeably slower, videos do work though.

    ---druck

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  • From bob prohaska@3:770/3 to druck on Tue Jun 6 02:12:36 2023
    druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:
    On 05/06/2023 02:29, bob prohaska wrote:
    Following a recent update the chromium browser is again
    not working correctly. The most obvious defect is a persistent
    "page unresponsive" window when trying to view YouTube.

    I don't know if that is related to the problems I've been having with Chromium 113 and the BBC News website on my Bullseye Pi 4s, where all
    apart from the first picture on the page isn't displayed, videos aren't displayed too. I removed ublock origin and no-script to eliminate them,
    and it still happens with no extensions.

    That's most curious. I'm looking now at https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-56837908
    and the display seems just fine. There are lots of images,
    all loaded and looking reasonable.

    YouTube still won't load.

    Thanks for writing,

    bob prohaska

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  • From druck@3:770/3 to bob prohaska on Tue Jun 6 20:53:20 2023
    On 06/06/2023 03:12, bob prohaska wrote:
    druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:
    On 05/06/2023 02:29, bob prohaska wrote:
    Following a recent update the chromium browser is again
    not working correctly. The most obvious defect is a persistent
    "page unresponsive" window when trying to view YouTube.

    I don't know if that is related to the problems I've been having with
    Chromium 113 and the BBC News website on my Bullseye Pi 4s, where all
    apart from the first picture on the page isn't displayed, videos aren't
    displayed too. I removed ublock origin and no-script to eliminate them,
    and it still happens with no extensions.

    That's most curious. I'm looking now at https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-56837908
    and the display seems just fine. There are lots of images,
    all loaded and looking reasonable.

    Try going down to a story page. The BBC loads images in articles on
    demand via javascript.

    YouTube still won't load.

    Must be a different problem as it loads for me and plays videos.

    ---druck

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  • From bob prohaska@3:770/3 to druck on Wed Jun 7 01:46:36 2023
    druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:
    On 06/06/2023 03:12, bob prohaska wrote:
    druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:
    On 05/06/2023 02:29, bob prohaska wrote:
    Following a recent update the chromium browser is again
    not working correctly. The most obvious defect is a persistent
    "page unresponsive" window when trying to view YouTube.

    I don't know if that is related to the problems I've been having with
    Chromium 113 and the BBC News website on my Bullseye Pi 4s, where all
    apart from the first picture on the page isn't displayed, videos aren't
    displayed too. I removed ublock origin and no-script to eliminate them,
    and it still happens with no extensions.

    That's most curious. I'm looking now at
    https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-56837908
    and the display seems just fine. There are lots of images,
    all loaded and looking reasonable.

    Try going down to a story page. The BBC loads images in articles on
    demand via javascript.

    The story on solar panel recycling seems to load fine, pictures and all.

    The story about tornados, consisting of a video, didn't load, couldn't
    be paused either.

    YouTube still won't load.

    Must be a different problem as it loads for me and plays videos.


    Alas, 'tis true. Trouble is not a conserved quantity....

    Thanks for writing,

    bob prohaska

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  • From Robert Riches@3:770/3 to bob prohaska on Wed Jun 7 02:35:12 2023
    On 2023-06-07, bob prohaska <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote:
    ...

    Alas, 'tis true. Trouble is not a conserved quantity....

    Indeed: trouble is usually served up by cons. ;-)

    --
    Robert Riches
    spamtrap42@jacob21819.net
    (Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@3:770/3 to Robert Riches on Wed Jun 7 09:08:48 2023
    On 07/06/2023 03:35, Robert Riches wrote:
    On 2023-06-07, bob prohaska <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote:
    ...

    Alas, 'tis true. Trouble is not a conserved quantity....

    Indeed: trouble is usually served up by cons. ;-)

    Surely some mistake. Trouble is what the liberal politician seeks out, identifies, and then manages to propose state engendered solutions to,
    that manifestly will not fix it, so that it remains a problem, and an
    excuse for yet more centralised bureaucracy, state subsidy, and
    restriction of personal freedom to fix it better.
    The logical progressions of this is full communism, where nothing works,
    and the politicians are the problem.

    --
    It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. Mark Twain

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  • From druck@3:770/3 to All on Wed Jun 7 20:26:24 2023
    Please lets not turn every thread on legitimate technical issues in to a
    left vs right slanging match.

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  • From Charlie Gibbs@3:770/3 to The Natural Philosopher on Wed Jun 7 20:41:28 2023
    On 2023-06-07, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 07/06/2023 03:35, Robert Riches wrote:

    On 2023-06-07, bob prohaska <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote:
    ...

    Alas, 'tis true. Trouble is not a conserved quantity....

    Indeed: trouble is usually served up by cons. ;-)

    Surely some mistake. Trouble is what the liberal politician seeks out, identifies, and then manages to propose state engendered solutions to,
    that manifestly will not fix it, so that it remains a problem, and an
    excuse for yet more centralised bureaucracy, state subsidy, and
    restriction of personal freedom to fix it better.
    The logical progressions of this is full communism, where nothing works,
    and the politicians are the problem.

    And this is just as true of right-wing extremists. As a wise person
    once pointed out to me, they all meet somewhere around on the dark side.

    --
    /~\ Charlie Gibbs | You can't save the earth
    \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | unless you're willing to
    X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | make other people sacrifice.
    / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Dogbert the green consultant

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  • From Robert Riches@3:770/3 to The Natural Philosopher on Thu Jun 8 03:38:30 2023
    On 2023-06-07, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 07/06/2023 03:35, Robert Riches wrote:
    On 2023-06-07, bob prohaska <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote:
    ...

    Alas, 'tis true. Trouble is not a conserved quantity....

    Indeed: trouble is usually served up by cons. ;-)

    Surely some mistake. Trouble is what the liberal politician seeks out, identifies, and then manages to propose state engendered solutions to,
    that manifestly will not fix it, so that it remains a problem, and an
    excuse for yet more centralised bureaucracy, state subsidy, and
    restriction of personal freedom to fix it better.
    The logical progressions of this is full communism, where nothing works,
    and the politicians are the problem.

    Mr. Philospher, very well said.

    I see I wrote unclearly. I should have used the slightly longer
    version of the last word. Here's the new-and-improved version:

    Indeed: trouble is usually served up by con artists. ;-)

    --
    Robert Riches
    spamtrap42@jacob21819.net
    (Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@3:770/3 to Charlie Gibbs on Thu Jun 8 07:18:04 2023
    On 07/06/2023 21:41, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
    On 2023-06-07, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 07/06/2023 03:35, Robert Riches wrote:

    On 2023-06-07, bob prohaska <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote:
    ...

    Alas, 'tis true. Trouble is not a conserved quantity....

    Indeed: trouble is usually served up by cons. ;-)

    Surely some mistake. Trouble is what the liberal politician seeks out,
    identifies, and then manages to propose state engendered solutions to,
    that manifestly will not fix it, so that it remains a problem, and an
    excuse for yet more centralised bureaucracy, state subsidy, and
    restriction of personal freedom to fix it better.
    The logical progressions of this is full communism, where nothing works,
    and the politicians are the problem.

    And this is just as true of right-wing extremists. As a wise person
    once pointed out to me, they all meet somewhere around on the dark side.

    The 30s era fascists only differed from the communists in the
    aspirations of their supporters. The end result was the same. A narrow totalitarian elite.

    --
    “Ideas are inherently conservative. They yield not to the attack of
    other ideas but to the massive onslaught of circumstance"

    - John K Galbraith

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@3:770/3 to Robert Riches on Thu Jun 8 07:20:18 2023
    On 08/06/2023 04:38, Robert Riches wrote:
    On 2023-06-07, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 07/06/2023 03:35, Robert Riches wrote:
    On 2023-06-07, bob prohaska <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote:
    ...

    Alas, 'tis true. Trouble is not a conserved quantity....

    Indeed: trouble is usually served up by cons. ;-)

    Surely some mistake. Trouble is what the liberal politician seeks out,
    identifies, and then manages to propose state engendered solutions to,
    that manifestly will not fix it, so that it remains a problem, and an
    excuse for yet more centralised bureaucracy, state subsidy, and
    restriction of personal freedom to fix it better.
    The logical progressions of this is full communism, where nothing works,
    and the politicians are the problem.

    Mr. Philospher, very well said.

    I see I wrote unclearly. I should have used the slightly longer
    version of the last word. Here's the new-and-improved version:

    Indeed: trouble is usually served up by con artists. ;-)

    Comes to the same thing, That's an apt definition of politicians.

    --
    “Ideas are inherently conservative. They yield not to the attack of
    other ideas but to the massive onslaught of circumstance"

    - John K Galbraith

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  • From Martin Gregorie@3:770/3 to The Natural Philosopher on Thu Jun 8 10:13:02 2023
    On Thu, 8 Jun 2023 07:18:04 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    On 07/06/2023 21:41, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
    On 2023-06-07, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 07/06/2023 03:35, Robert Riches wrote:

    On 2023-06-07, bob prohaska <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote:
    ...

    Alas, 'tis true. Trouble is not a conserved quantity....

    Indeed: trouble is usually served up by cons. ;-)

    Surely some mistake. Trouble is what the liberal politician seeks out,
    identifies, and then manages to propose state engendered solutions to,
    that manifestly will not fix it, so that it remains a problem, and an
    excuse for yet more centralised bureaucracy, state subsidy, and
    restriction of personal freedom to fix it better.
    The logical progressions of this is full communism, where nothing
    works,
    and the politicians are the problem.

    And this is just as true of right-wing extremists. As a wise person
    once pointed out to me, they all meet somewhere around on the dark
    side.

    The 30s era fascists only differed from the communists in the
    aspirations of their supporters. The end result was the same. A narrow totalitarian elite.

    I suspect a similar situation to that of Europe in the '30s is currently developing in left-pondian political circles. The parallels are
    'interesting' to say the least.


    --

    Martin | martin at
    Gregorie | gregorie dot org

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  • From Martin Gregorie@3:770/3 to Charlie Gibbs on Thu Jun 8 22:24:44 2023
    On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 17:43:30 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

    On 2023-06-08, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 07/06/2023 21:41, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

    On 2023-06-07, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 07/06/2023 03:35, Robert Riches wrote:

    On 2023-06-07, bob prohaska <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote:
    ...

    Alas, 'tis true. Trouble is not a conserved quantity....

    Indeed: trouble is usually served up by cons. ;-)

    Surely some mistake. Trouble is what the liberal politician seeks
    out, identifies, and then manages to propose state engendered
    solutions to, that manifestly will not fix it, so that it remains a
    problem, and an excuse for yet more centralised bureaucracy, state
    subsidy, and restriction of personal freedom to fix it better.
    The logical progressions of this is full communism, where nothing
    works,
    and the politicians are the problem.

    And this is just as true of right-wing extremists. As a wise person
    once pointed out to me, they all meet somewhere around on the dark
    side.

    The 30s era fascists only differed from the communists in the
    aspirations of their supporters. The end result was the same.
    A narrow totalitarian elite.

    My point exactly - and it still applies today.

    Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist,
    fascist, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria. The
    human race divides politically into those who want people to be
    controlled and those who have no such desire. The former are
    idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the
    greatest number. The latter are surly curmudgeons, suspicious and
    lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than
    the other sort.
    -- Robert A. Heinlein: The Notebooks of Lazarus Long

    Good stuff!

    I've just been re-reading Heinlein: 'Methuselah's Children', 'Time Enough
    For Love'.(Are the other LL stories as good?) Followed those two off with 'Friday'.

    FWIW I tend to rate 'The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress' and 'Job' with those LL tales.


    --

    Martin | martin at
    Gregorie | gregorie dot org

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  • From Jan Panteltje@3:770/3 to Gregorie on Tue Jun 13 09:15:52 2023
    On a sunny day (Thu, 8 Jun 2023 22:24:44 -0000 (UTC)) it happened Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> wrote in <u5tkfc$1hrgd$1@dont-email.me>:

    On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 17:43:30 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

    On 2023-06-08, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 07/06/2023 21:41, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

    On 2023-06-07, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 07/06/2023 03:35, Robert Riches wrote:

    On 2023-06-07, bob prohaska <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote:
    ...

    Alas, 'tis true. Trouble is not a conserved quantity....

    Indeed: trouble is usually served up by cons. ;-)

    Surely some mistake. Trouble is what the liberal politician seeks
    out, identifies, and then manages to propose state engendered
    solutions to, that manifestly will not fix it, so that it remains a
    problem, and an excuse for yet more centralised bureaucracy, state
    subsidy, and restriction of personal freedom to fix it better.
    The logical progressions of this is full communism, where nothing
    works,
    and the politicians are the problem.

    And this is just as true of right-wing extremists. As a wise person
    once pointed out to me, they all meet somewhere around on the dark
    side.

    The 30s era fascists only differed from the communists in the
    aspirations of their supporters. The end result was the same.
    A narrow totalitarian elite.

    You forgot the capitalist
    Now The US Military Industrial Complex sucking the taxpayer for wars they create to sell their useless crap (F35 etc)
    a loss making industry (losing wars in Vietnam, Afghanistan, etc)...
    and their politician clowns and slaves now raising the debt limit and reducing spending on everything for their own people.
    EXCEPT that military complex.
    They are not even under attack, but may well be soon, destroyed!
    I was just reading the UK soldiers need food banks to make ends meet...
    https://news.sky.com/story/some-military-personnel-forced-to-use-food-banks-as-inflation-tips-members-of-armed-forces-into-crisis-12900704

    To go back to the newsgroup topic:
    "An Inside Look at How Raspberry Pis Are Made":
    https://www.tomshardware.com/news/raspberry-pi-manufacturing-process

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  • From Martin Gregorie@3:770/3 to Jan Panteltje on Tue Jun 13 12:02:22 2023
    On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 09:15:53 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    I was just reading the UK soldiers need food banks to make ends meet...
    https://news.sky.com/story/some-military-personnel-forced-to-use-food-
    banks-as-inflation-tips-members-of-armed-forces-into-crisis-12900704

    What makes you think its only the UK military? Add in teachers and medics
    too, but thats the result of 14 years of true-blue Tory government for
    you, but the next 12 months should show a change.

    We're now returning you to our usual program.



    --

    Martin | martin at
    Gregorie | gregorie dot org

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