• Updating Debian 10 to Debian 11 on a Pi Zero W

    From mm0fmf@3:770/3 to All on Sat Oct 29 22:13:02 2022
    I have a Pi Zero W that runs headless as an SSH gateway here. It auto
    connects to the Wifi and lets me SSH in to the home network etc. It's
    more than up to the job in hand and uses barely any electricity so can
    stay on 24/7.

    It was running Debian 10 (or whatever the Pi version of that was called Raspbian??) and I wanted to move to Debian 11 (PiOS ??). The preferred
    way is to download the latest image and install that but that would be a
    pain as there's lots of customisation been done. As I've successfully
    updated 3 systems from 10 to 11 in situ so I thought I'd try it on the
    Pi. It works like a dream (a bit slow) apart from one showstopper that
    is easily fixed. The system has a very lightweight image, I'm not sure
    now but think it was 2021-01-11-raspios-buster-armhf-lite.img
    originally. SDcard was 8GB with about 5GB free.

    Anyway having backed up the SDcard image...

    sudo -s
    apt update
    apt upgrade
    apt full-upgrade
    apt --purge autoremove
    reboot

    When it reboots and you have logged in again...

    sudo -s

    Edit sources.list etc. in /etc/apt/* and change all the occurrences of
    "buster" to "bullseye". There's a few files that need updating.

    apt update
    apt upgrade --without-new-pkgs
    apt full-upgrade
    apt --purge autoremove

    Allow 30-45mins for the above. Depends on how big your installation was
    and how fast the SDcard is.

    At this point you would reboot and enjoy the fruits of your labours. But
    you'll find deep sadness if you do. The upgrade borks dhcpcd5 and you
    have no DHCP client so there is no networking. I couldn't SSH in :-( Of
    course this is a real pain on a headless machine. I don't have a serial
    console for this Pi Zero W so I put the card in a Pi A+ that does and I
    could see the SDcard booted to a login prompt. My account and password
    was there and the config files looked OK. I had a cup of tea and
    realised I had a Mini HDMI to HDMI adapter and watching the boot
    messages I could see DHCP errors. A bit of Googling found

    https://forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?t=320383

    Anyway, the fix is to edit
    /etc/systemd/system/dhcpcd.service.d/wait.conf and change

    ExecStart=/usr/lib/dhcpcd5/dhcpcd -q -w
    to
    ExecStart=/usr/sbin/dhcpcd -q -w

    Rebooting after you have done this and the system will come up all fine
    and dandy. Of course I had to fanny about to find this out and edit the
    file on another system. If it wasn't for this then the upgrade process,
    whilst a bit slow, would be as painless as it is on other Debian derived systems.

    Info on this is out there. I'm hoping this might be useful to someone
    who wants to do this and doesn't want to have to fix it afterwards ;-)

    Andy

    YMMV

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  • From mm0fmf@3:770/3 to A. Dumas on Sun Oct 30 07:53:26 2022
    On 30/10/2022 06:19, A. Dumas wrote:
    and just in case I
    always keep a description of them on every Pi

    There's the rub. I did the customisations on the fly and they evolved
    over some time and I *didn't* make a note... very poor. I do the same
    kind of stuff at work on VMs and simulations for customer designs
    (custom kernels and setups) and there's plenty of such notes in repos,
    Jira tickets and OneNote pages but I didn't do it at home. It's a
    classic case of the cobbler's children have the worst shoes!

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  • From Ahem A Rivet's Shot@3:770/3 to Jan Panteltje on Sun Oct 30 07:15:22 2022
    On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 06:01:00 GMT
    Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Maybe I just write my own OS and be done with it
    wrote a multitasker for Z80 long time ago
    Few lines, world has bloated after that.

    Be careful!

    Linux started because Linus Torvalds had a neat idea for task
    switching on a 386 - just a few lines of code that grew into a kernel and
    met GNU looking for a kernel.

    --
    Steve O'Hara-Smith
    Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

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  • From Jan Panteltje@3:770/3 to Shot on Sun Oct 30 08:00:04 2022
    On a sunny day (Sun, 30 Oct 2022 07:15:22 +0000) it happened Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in <20221030071522.b9291fd48fc7adc8392c4630@eircom.net>:

    On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 06:01:00 GMT
    Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Maybe I just write my own OS and be done with it
    wrote a multitasker for Z80 long time ago
    Few lines, world has bloated after that.

    Be careful!

    Linux started because Linus Torvalds had a neat idea for task
    switching on a 386 - just a few lines of code that grew into a kernel and
    met GNU looking for a kernel.

    I know, I have one very old distro, SLS Linux, from 1998, on a floppy.. installed it back then and never went back to MS windows...
    And my other system was a CP/M system compatible (to some point) with a Kaypro 2,
    as I did not have CP/M back then and wanted to try some software from the CP/M user club,
    I modified a Sinclair ZX81 and wrote my own CP/M clone:
    http://panteltje.com/panteltje/z80/index.html

    The OS:
    http://panteltje.com/panteltje/z80/system14/index.html

    The hardware (designed it too):
    http://panteltje.com/panteltje/z80/system14/diagrams/index.html

    People are still using that Z80 disassembler it seems, from email feedback I got a few years ago.

    It is all not so hard, bit of ASM,
    http://panteltje.com/panteltje/newsflex/download.html

    But like I said: a small micro can do most things:
    http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/index.html
    US went to the moon and back with less computer power.

    I think US now wants to 'prevent' China from having a 7 nm chip factory..
    US mafia.
    Electric cars, nothing will run anymore but for the old diesel after the chip wars..

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  • From Ahem A Rivet's Shot@3:770/3 to Jan Panteltje on Sun Oct 30 11:31:40 2022
    On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 08:00:05 GMT
    Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

    wrote my own CP/M clone:
    http://panteltje.com/panteltje/z80/index.html

    The OS:
    http://panteltje.com/panteltje/z80/system14/index.html

    The hardware (designed it too):
    http://panteltje.com/panteltje/z80/system14/diagrams/index.html

    I managed to get paid for doing both of those things in 1982, my
    first job out of college.

    --
    Steve O'Hara-Smith
    Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

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  • From Jan Panteltje@3:770/3 to Shot on Sun Oct 30 12:33:28 2022
    On a sunny day (Sun, 30 Oct 2022 11:31:41 +0000) it happened Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in <20221030113141.985d665c8a477c45d4cca895@eircom.net>:

    On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 08:00:05 GMT
    Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

    wrote my own CP/M clone:
    http://panteltje.com/panteltje/z80/index.html

    The OS:
    http://panteltje.com/panteltje/z80/system14/index.html

    The hardware (designed it too):
    http://panteltje.com/panteltje/z80/system14/diagrams/index.html

    I managed to get paid for doing both of those things in 1982, my
    first job out of college.

    Yea, in the eighties I worked for a company that had close relations with IBM and was designing for example ISA cards that did all sort of things for in the first PCs.
    I remember we discussed possibly moving to Unix...
    Designed some sort of sound card too, code in x86 asm.. and a vector processing card.

    But that Z80 thing I designed at home was actually faster than the old IBM PC, as mine had a ramdisk :-)
    You would load the floppy to ramdisk at startup, and everything would work from there
    no mere seek times... sectors read in a flash.
    Its all in those circuits, I added the command "floppytord" to the OS
    it would copy the whole floppy to ramdisk..
    All in the evening tinkering..

    My first job was 1967 designing things for the army, navy and power stations.. not my thing so
    in 1968 I went to work for the national TV station, got the job as I already had designed and build my
    own (vidicon) camera... then 6 month training in broadcast technology (much like the BBC in the UK)
    worked there many years, then left and went all over the world doing all sort of things
    then came back and worked at some particle accelerator, then started my own company.. then that PC thing...
    I am curious by nature... worked in the lab of a big university hospital too, all sorts of cool stuff. hey even did some thing for ESA.
    Somebody recently told me I should write a book about it all... LOL who knows...
    Help educate this generation?
    If a WW3 nuke war happens and a big EMP destroys all smartphones, then knowing how to send an SOS with the
    simplest means ... (I am a radio ham too) other than with smoke signals... bit of knowhow may help.

    getting carried away obviously...
    :-)

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  • From Ahem A Rivet's Shot@3:770/3 to Jan Panteltje on Sun Oct 30 13:23:14 2022
    On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 12:33:29 GMT
    Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

    If a WW3 nuke war happens and a big EMP destroys all smartphones, then knowing how to send an SOS with the simplest means ... (I am a radio ham
    too) other than with smoke signals... bit of knowhow may help.

    I'm pretty sure I could manage a spark gap transmitter with nothing electronic available (my morse is *very* rusty though) - for a crystal
    receiver I'd need a good high impedance earpiece which would be trickier.

    --
    Steve O'Hara-Smith
    Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

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  • From Jan Panteltje@3:770/3 to Shot on Sun Oct 30 16:23:14 2022
    On a sunny day (Sun, 30 Oct 2022 13:23:15 +0000) it happened Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in <20221030132315.9aeeb170174a5222d19a01bc@eircom.net>:

    On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 12:33:29 GMT
    Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

    If a WW3 nuke war happens and a big EMP destroys all smartphones, then
    knowing how to send an SOS with the simplest means ... (I am a radio ham
    too) other than with smoke signals... bit of knowhow may help.

    I'm pretty sure I could manage a spark gap transmitter with nothing
    electronic available (my morse is *very* rusty though) - for a crystal >receiver I'd need a good high impedance earpiece which would be trickier.

    I had one of those crystal earphones once in the late fifties or early sixties, seen those on ebay,
    Spark transmitter I have tried, worked, used an old car ignition coil :-)
    local radio ham got very upset..

    crystal radios, tune with a ferrite rod shifting in the coil

    Now I have a nice Tecsun long wave to short wave range AM SSB plus FM receiver, Will it survive the EMP? Dunno.
    No tubes left anymore but that could be an option.
    Once build a 250 Watt linear with a PE/100 tube.
    250 Ah lifepo4 battery pack and a pure sinewave converter plus solar panels I have here standby.
    And the other usual transceiver radio stuff.

    Oh and some digital TV transmit stuff that uses a Raspberry too:
    http://panteltje.com/panteltje/raspberry_pi_dvb-s_transmitter/

    Many more projects:
    http://panteltje.com/panteltje/newsflex/download.html

    And not everything is on the website

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  • From Martin Gregorie@3:770/3 to Jan Panteltje on Sun Oct 30 17:49:32 2022
    On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 16:23:15 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    On a sunny day (Sun, 30 Oct 2022 13:23:15 +0000) it happened Ahem A
    Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in <20221030132315.9aeeb170174a5222d19a01bc@eircom.net>:

    On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 12:33:29 GMT Jan Panteltje
    <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

    If a WW3 nuke war happens and a big EMP destroys all smartphones, then
    knowing how to send an SOS with the simplest means ... (I am a radio
    ham too) other than with smoke signals... bit of knowhow may help.

    From what I've read the EMP would take out rather more than smartphones.

    I had one of those crystal earphones once in the late fifties or early sixties. crystal radios, tune with a ferrite rod shifting in the coil

    I built a broadcast AM crystal set when I was about 11 - hand-wound coil
    on a cardboard tube former, but mine had a multi-blage rotary capacitor
    for tuning and a glass-encapsulated germanium diode.

    I forget where the earphones came from but they were certainly high
    impedance. IIRC the sound quality was surprisingly good and, of course, no battery needed. This was a year or two before portable transistor radios
    first appeared -and before individually packaged unijunction germanium transistors appeared (think OC-72 single junction devices in metal of
    glass packaging).

    No suitable headphones? Easily replaced by an 80mm speaker plus a small
    amp (LM358 + 470m pot + 4.7M feedback resistor or some equivalent IC amp)
    and a battery or small solar panel for power.

    seen those on ebay,
    Spark transmitter I have tried, worked, used an old car ignition coil
    :-) local radio ham got very upset..

    Never tried that, but did enjoy playing with WS48 sets while at secondary school: mt school had a compulsory cadet corps but joining the Signals
    Platoon got some of us out of a lot of square bashing.

    The WS48 was a battery-operated WW2 infantry backpack radio:

    http://www.radiomilitari.com/ws48.html

    FWIW, and to get back (partly) on topic for this 'ere newsgroup the first computer I saw (and programmed) was an Elliott 503 scientific computer.
    8 track paper tape input, 8 track tape or fast 132 column drum printer
    output. It was about 4 wardrobe-size grey cabinets plus a control console.
    Its logic built using discrete transistors. It had ferrite core memory (39
    bit words) and packed two instructions per word. It was programmed in
    Algol 60. Special feature: it implemented hardware floating point
    arithmetic which was slightly faster then its integer operations.


    --

    Martin | martin at
    Gregorie | gregorie dot org

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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@3:770/3 to A. Dumas on Mon Oct 31 06:57:02 2022
    A. Dumas <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid> wrote:

    Useful, thanks. But yeah, I do always go with a completely new image on RasPis. I sorta know my customisations by heart now, and just in case I always keep a description of them on every Pi. So I spend that half hour waiting time doing that. An alternative would be automation with e.g. Ansible, but meh.

    The first time you upgrade, you discover all the mistakes that you
    made in your first notes. The second time you upgrade, you discover
    all the mistakes that you made fixing the mistakes in your first
    notes. The third time you upgrade, the software has changed and it
    doesn't work that way anymore.

    --
    __ __
    #_ < |\| |< _#

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  • From Charlie Gibbs@3:770/3 to Martin Gregorie on Mon Oct 31 04:09:52 2022
    On 2022-10-30, Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> wrote:

    On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 16:23:15 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    I had one of those crystal earphones once in the late fifties or early
    sixties. crystal radios, tune with a ferrite rod shifting in the coil

    I had one of those crystal earphones too. I could plug it directl into
    the preamp output of my tape recorder. A regular earphone plugged into
    the speaker output switched to the opposite channel where the crystal
    earphone gave me stereo sound.

    I built a broadcast AM crystal set when I was about 11 - hand-wound coil
    on a cardboard tube former, but mine had a multi-blage rotary capacitor
    for tuning and a glass-encapsulated germanium diode.

    That's the same as the set I built. I used an old telephone handset
    to listen to it. That worked for the local AM station. Then the
    next-closest station upgraded to 50 kilowatts, which came in loud
    and clear over half the dial (my selectivity wasn't that great).

    I later added a tube to it, then added another coil to make it
    regenerative (and prone to oscillation if you turned the gain
    up too high).

    I once saw (but never built) a schematic for a set with a transistor
    amplifier which was powered by a second tuner which you'd set to the
    strongest local station - no batteries or external power required.

    --
    /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Microsoft is a dictatorship.
    \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | Apple is a cult.
    X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | Linux is anarchy.
    / \ if you read it the right way. | Pick your poison.

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  • From Jan Panteltje@3:770/3 to Gregorie on Mon Oct 31 05:37:22 2022
    On a sunny day (Sun, 30 Oct 2022 17:49:32 -0000 (UTC)) it happened Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> wrote in <tjmdfc$2oess$1@dont-email.me>:

    On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 16:23:15 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    On a sunny day (Sun, 30 Oct 2022 13:23:15 +0000) it happened Ahem A
    Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in
    <20221030132315.9aeeb170174a5222d19a01bc@eircom.net>:

    On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 12:33:29 GMT Jan Panteltje >>><pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

    If a WW3 nuke war happens and a big EMP destroys all smartphones, then >>>> knowing how to send an SOS with the simplest means ... (I am a radio
    ham too) other than with smoke signals... bit of knowhow may help.

    From what I've read the EMP would take out rather more than smartphones.

    Yes, especially high altitude nukes would take out satellites
    I have read the 'telstar' satellite was killed by a US high altitude nuke test, But lots of other thing will go, cellphone towers, airplane electronics
    (helis could crash), what not.
    No more electrickety! all those power lines and the related control electronics out.


    I had one of those crystal earphones once in the late fifties or early
    sixties. crystal radios, tune with a ferrite rod shifting in the coil

    I built a broadcast AM crystal set when I was about 11 - hand-wound coil
    on a cardboard tube former, but mine had a multi-blage rotary capacitor
    for tuning and a glass-encapsulated germanium diode.

    Ah yes, 500 pF tuning caps, I still have one:
    http://panteltje.com/pub/testing_the_20_meter_inductive_loop_antenna_IMG_4536.JPG


    I forget where the earphones came from but they were certainly high >impedance. IIRC the sound quality was surprisingly good and, of course, no >battery needed. This was a year or two before portable transistor radios >first appeared -and before individually packaged unijunction germanium >transistors appeared (think OC-72 single junction devices in metal of
    glass packaging).

    I used the OA79 Ge diode
    worked with battery powered tubes (1.5 V heater voltage) DL92?
    One day transistors came on the market, OC13 was my first transistor.



    No suitable headphones? Easily replaced by an 80mm speaker plus a small
    amp (LM358 + 470m pot + 4.7M feedback resistor or some equivalent IC amp)
    and a battery or small solar panel for power.

    Long before integrated audio amps I build things with AC127 I think it was singend ended pushpull amps, later with 3055 for more power!
    But before that I build an amplifiwr for the school band (guitar) with tubes..

    seen those on ebay,
    Spark transmitter I have tried, worked, used an old car ignition coil
    :-) local radio ham got very upset..

    Never tried that, but did enjoy playing with WS48 sets while at secondary >school: mt school had a compulsory cadet corps but joining the Signals >Platoon got some of us out of a lot of square bashing.

    I once bought a '31 set' in the army surplus:
    https://www.radiomuseum.org/r/mil_gb_wireless_set_no31.html
    got it working and said 'hello' on some frequency
    Some mil guy asked me who I was ..oops, switched it off.


    The WS48 was a battery-operated WW2 infantry backpack radio:

    http://www.radiomilitari.com/ws48.html

    FWIW, and to get back (partly) on topic for this 'ere newsgroup the first >computer I saw (and programmed) was an Elliott 503 scientific computer.
    8 track paper tape input, 8 track tape or fast 132 column drum printer >output. It was about 4 wardrobe-size grey cabinets plus a control console. >Its logic built using discrete transistors. It had ferrite core memory (39 >bit words) and packed two instructions per word. It was programmed in
    Algol 60. Special feature: it implemented hardware floating point
    arithmetic which was slightly faster then its integer operations.

    I did design some equipment that had some programmable part,
    my first experiments with a programmable machine, was part of a bigger project, But .. my first computer was a Sinclair ZX80
    Then I bought the book "Microprocessor interfacing techniques' by Rodnay Zaks and things took of from there
    interfacing that ZX80...
    https://www.amazon.com/Microprocessor-Interfacing-Techniques-Rodnay-Zaks/dp/0895880296

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  • From Martin Gregorie@3:770/3 to Jan Panteltje on Mon Oct 31 13:56:16 2022
    On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 05:37:22 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    Yes, especially high altitude nukes would take out satellites I have
    read the 'telstar' satellite was killed by a US high altitude nuke test,
    But lots of other thing will go, cellphone towers, airplane electronics (helis could crash), what not.

    Seems that, according to Wikipedia anyway, it took two high altitude nukes
    (one US, one Soviet) plus a burst of solar radiation to kill Telstar 1.

    But .. my first computer was a Sinclair ZX80 Then I bought the book "Microprocessor interfacing techniques' by Rodnay Zaks and things took
    of from there interfacing that ZX80...
    https://www.amazon.com/Microprocessor-Interfacing-Techniques-Rodnay- Zaks/dp/0895880296

    After the Elliott and graduation I joined ICL and learnt first 1900
    assembler and then COBOL, followed by various OSen up to and including
    George3, multi-user, multitasking OS with a hierarchical directory
    structure on a 32K 1903 (24 bit words) in 1970.

    My first personal system was 6809-based (32KB RAM, 2 x 5.25" disks, 16 x
    64 memory mapped display, on an SS-50 bus, with the FLEX-09 'OS'. I
    bought the whole thing as a kit, soldered chips onto boards and debugged
    it with a logic probe and multimeter. Since by then (1979) I was using 80
    x 24 green screens at work I soon swapped the display board for a 24 x 80
    one (also self-assembled and using a 2K EPROM as character generator.)
    Rewrote the boot EPROM to suit.


    --

    Martin | martin at
    Gregorie | gregorie dot org

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  • From Jan Panteltje@3:770/3 to Gregorie on Mon Oct 31 14:53:52 2022
    On a sunny day (Mon, 31 Oct 2022 13:56:17 -0000 (UTC)) it happened Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> wrote in <tjok61$gl9g$1@dont-email.me>:

    On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 05:37:22 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    Yes, especially high altitude nukes would take out satellites I have
    read the 'telstar' satellite was killed by a US high altitude nuke test,
    But lots of other thing will go, cellphone towers, airplane electronics
    (helis could crash), what not.

    Seems that, according to Wikipedia anyway, it took two high altitude nukes >(one US, one Soviet) plus a burst of solar radiation to kill Telstar 1.

    But .. my first computer was a Sinclair ZX80 Then I bought the book
    "Microprocessor interfacing techniques' by Rodnay Zaks and things took
    of from there interfacing that ZX80...
    https://www.amazon.com/Microprocessor-Interfacing-Techniques-Rodnay-
    Zaks/dp/0895880296

    After the Elliott and graduation I joined ICL and learnt first 1900
    assembler and then COBOL, followed by various OSen up to and including >George3, multi-user, multitasking OS with a hierarchical directory
    structure on a 32K 1903 (24 bit words) in 1970.

    My first personal system was 6809-based (32KB RAM, 2 x 5.25" disks, 16 x
    64 memory mapped display, on an SS-50 bus, with the FLEX-09 'OS'. I
    bought the whole thing as a kit, soldered chips onto boards and debugged
    it with a logic probe and multimeter. Since by then (1979) I was using 80
    x 24 green screens at work I soon swapped the display board for a 24 x 80
    one (also self-assembled and using a 2K EPROM as character generator.) >Rewrote the boot EPROM to suit.

    Yes, after the ZX80 I bought a ZX81 and a 64 kB memory extention module
    and then first thing I build was an EPROM programmer,,
    and used it for a graphics card:
    http://panteltje.com/pub/z80/graphics_card_top.jpg
    note the EPROM bottom left with character generator also 80x24
    handwired, characters drawn bit by bit..
    http://panteltje.com/pub/z80/graphics_card_bottom.jpg

    then the ZX81 was no longer part of it as I used my own processor card
    http://panteltje.com/pub/s/z80_board.jpg
    not very sharp but only picture could find
    wiring now on the backside;
    http://panteltje.com/pub/s/wiring1.jpg
    then many other boards like that... floppy controller, modem, soundcard, I/O card, etc etc
    http://panteltje.com/pub/z80/soundcard_top.jpg
    In 1979 I designed and build a video digitizer and showed it at work ..
    I *knew* there was a path to world wide digital video, was before mpeg compression
    that changed a lot of things...

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  • From Ahem A Rivet's Shot@3:770/3 to Jan Panteltje on Mon Oct 31 15:38:30 2022
    On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 14:53:52 GMT
    Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Yes, after the ZX80 I bought a ZX81

    Ah the memories - the ZX81 was the originally intended product, the ZX80 was essentially the prototype but (like everyone at the time) Sinclair
    was having trouble getting the Ferranti ULAs to do what they said they
    would - so just like Grundy with the Newbrain he shipped the prototype, but unlike Grundy he followed it up with the real thing.

    The connection is that both started life as the same government
    backed project that wound up producing the BBC micro which inspired the Pi.

    --
    Steve O'Hara-Smith
    Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

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  • From Jan Panteltje@3:770/3 to scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us on Tue Nov 1 03:45:26 2022
    On a sunny day (Mon, 31 Oct 2022 17:20:27 GMT) it happened scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us wrote in <vtT7L.649243$6Il8.431568@fx14.iad>:

    Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On a sunny day (Sun, 30 Oct 2022 13:23:15 +0000) it happened Ahem A Rivet's >> Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in
    <20221030132315.9aeeb170174a5222d19a01bc@eircom.net>:

    On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 12:33:29 GMT
    Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

    If a WW3 nuke war happens and a big EMP destroys all smartphones, then >>>> knowing how to send an SOS with the simplest means ... (I am a radio ham >>>> too) other than with smoke signals... bit of knowhow may help.

    I'm pretty sure I could manage a spark gap transmitter with nothing >>>electronic available (my morse is *very* rusty though) - for a crystal >>>receiver I'd need a good high impedance earpiece which would be trickier.

    I had one of those crystal earphones once in the late fifties or early sixties,
    seen those on ebay,
    Spark transmitter I have tried, worked, used an old car ignition coil :-)
    local radio ham got very upset..

    I had one of those Radio Shack 150-project electronics kits back in the day. >One of the projects within was a spark-gap transmitter, in which a relay was >wired up with the normally-closed contacts set to cut power to the coil when >energized. I don't know how long it would've lasted before the relay >contacts were shot, but it succeeded at making detectable noise over most of >the AM band (though not to the extent that it interfered with broadcasters).

    Ha, these days most wallwarts wil do that!

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  • From Charlie Gibbs@3:770/3 to Jan Panteltje on Tue Nov 1 19:14:18 2022
    On 2022-11-01, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

    On a sunny day (Mon, 31 Oct 2022 17:20:27 GMT) it happened

    I had one of those Radio Shack 150-project electronics kits back in the day. >> One of the projects within was a spark-gap transmitter, in which a relay was >> wired up with the normally-closed contacts set to cut power to the coil when >> energized. I don't know how long it would've lasted before the relay
    contacts were shot, but it succeeded at making detectable noise over most of >> the AM band (though not to the extent that it interfered with broadcasters).

    Ha, these days most wallwarts wil do that!

    The cheap ones, anyway. I have one of those USB charging adaptors that
    plugs into a car cigarette lighter that wipes out a weak FM station.

    --
    /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Microsoft is a dictatorship.
    \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | Apple is a cult.
    X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | Linux is anarchy.
    / \ if you read it the right way. | Pick your poison.

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