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A. Dumas <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid> wrote:
If the device already has an internet connection (wifi), have a look at
using MQTT to connect to a Node Red server (on a Pi for example) which can >> send a Telegram message for free. Because sms usually requires a mobile
connection and costs money. See Andreas Spiess YouTube channel for some
mqtt/nodered videos https://www.youtube.com/c/AndreasSpiess/videos
Prompted by your posting, I spent a couple of hours this afternoon
getting a Raspberry Pi running RISC OS to send a Telegram message via
the Telegram API. As you say, Telegram is free, where SMS may not be.
David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
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A. Dumas <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid> wrote:
If the device already has an internet connection (wifi), have a look at using MQTT to connect to a Node Red server (on a Pi for example) which can send a Telegram message for free. Because sms usually requires a mobile connection and costs money. See Andreas Spiess YouTube channel
for some mqtt/nodered videos https://www.youtube.com/c/AndreasSpiess/videos
Prompted by your posting, I spent a couple of hours this afternoon
getting a Raspberry Pi running RISC OS to send a Telegram message via the Telegram API. As you say, Telegram is free, where SMS may not be.
Having just checked the Wikipedia page about Telegram to see that it
doesn't offer any SMS-forwarding feature itself, I'm not sure why it would
be a better alternative to SMS than simply sending emails.
<scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us> wrote:
Getting [...] devices to send email is trivial;
Increasingly less so. Email providers are putting up more & more barriers
in the battle against spam, which also makes delivery less & less reliable. There's a reason people are switching to instant messaging: email is
failing.
A. Dumas <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid> wrote:
<scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us> wrote:
Getting [...] devices to send email is trivial;
Increasingly less so. Email providers are putting up more & more barriers
in the battle against spam, which also makes delivery less & less reliable. >> There's a reason people are switching to instant messaging: email is
failing.
https://hackaday.com/2022/09/07/the-era-of-distributed-independent-email-servers-is-over/
A. Dumas <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid> wrote:
<scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us> wrote:
Getting [...] devices to send email is trivial;
Increasingly less so. Email providers are putting up more & more barriers in the battle against spam, which also makes delivery less & less reliable There's a reason people are switching to instant messaging: email is failing.
https://hackaday.com/2022/09/07/the-era-of-distributed-independent-email-ser
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Spam is killing telephones faster than email. I have not found much issue experimenting with small email services (though I admit that any independent server which is itself not extremely small has a high chance of making it to a
blacklist). However, phones have reached a point in which if you phone some grandpa to tell him to show up at the Doctor's office asap because of some urgent issue, the grandpa won't pick the phone up because he will believe you to be a Mexican spammer selling car insurance of Internet subscriptions.
In the case of your grandpa, he'll see your name and phone number
on the display and know it's safe to pick up. (Yes, there are
some lowlifes who are spoofing caller IDs, but that's rare.)
In the case of your grandpa, he'll see your name and phone number
on the display and know it's safe to pick up. (Yes, there are
some lowlifes who are spoofing caller IDs, but that's rare.)
It might be a chargeable feature in your area, but IMHO it's
well worth a few bucks a month to be able to filter out spammers.
Re: Re: is there a way to
By: Charlie Gibbs to All on Tue Sep 13 2022 02:44 am
In the case of your grandpa, he'll see your name and phone number
on the display and know it's safe to pick up. (Yes, there are
some lowlifes who are spoofing caller IDs, but that's rare.)
Not if you are calling from a clinic's call center and the grandpa does not recognize the number.
THAT is the problem: having to call from an unrecognized number and having the
call rejected. Even people expectig calls from random people falls for this sooooo often (ie. you tell some grandpa that a secretary will phone him with the "details" next morning, and the grandpa does not pick the phone up next morning because he fears she is a spammer).
On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 02:44:20 GMT
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
In the case of your grandpa, he'll see your name and phone number
on the display and know it's safe to pick up. (Yes, there are
some lowlifes who are spoofing caller IDs, but that's rare.)
All the phone spam I get has spoofed caller IDs, it's very easy to
do. When I was using the phone enough to need a VOIP account I spoofed the caller ID to my landline number. I had to ask for the feature to be enabled and was told that if there were complaints of abuse it would be turned off.
It might be a chargeable feature in your area, but IMHO it's
well worth a few bucks a month to be able to filter out spammers.
Really a chargeable feature - that's absurd in this day and age.
Re: Re: is there a way to
By: alister to Richard Falken on Wed Sep 14 2022 06:43 pm
So why would a legitimate caller not then leave a message (assuming
heline has some kind of answering machine)
Because so many people does not have voicemail enabled or cares to check
it out if they do have it. Meaning you may call and leave a message and
still make no difference.
On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:03:42 +1200, Richard Falken wrote:
Re: Re: is there a way to
By: alister to Richard Falken on Wed Sep 14 2022 06:43 pm
So why would a legitimate caller not then leave a message (assumingBecause so many people does not have voicemail enabled or cares to check
heline has some kind of answering machine)
it out if they do have it. Meaning you may call and leave a message and
still make no difference.
It is impossible to make any system foolproof because fools are too ingenious.
if you let a call go to VM because you don't recognise the number it does
not make sense to not check the message afterwards. if this is the case
then this solution is not for you.
The point is that people have already been trained to not leave vm
because it's usually ignored anyhow. And often times, they get stage
fright or just don't want to be bothered to explain why they called and figure on calling again some other time.
On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 21:29:21 +0000, alister wrote:
On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:03:42 +1200, Richard Falken wrote:
Re: Re: is there a way to
By: alister to Richard Falken on Wed Sep 14 2022 06:43 pm
So why would a legitimate caller not then leave a message (assumingBecause so many people does not have voicemail enabled or cares to
heline has some kind of answering machine)
check it out if they do have it. Meaning you may call and leave a
message and still make no difference.
It is impossible to make any system foolproof because fools are too
ingenious.
if you let a call go to VM because you don't recognise the number it
does not make sense to not check the message afterwards. if this is the
case then this solution is not for you.
The point is that people have already been trained to not leave vm
because it's usually ignored anyhow. And often times, they get stage
fright or just don't want to be bothered to explain why they called and figure on calling again some other time.
if you are not happy to accept this then answer the call & live with the fact that many are going to be fraudsters (personally I like to waste
their time & see how long I can keep them going)
if it is a professional calling with a legitimate reason then they will
leave a message.
Re: Re: is there a way to
By: alister to Joe Beanfish on Thu Sep 15 2022 07:29 pm
if you are not happy to accept this then answer the call & live with
the fact that many are going to be fraudsters (personally I like to
waste their time & see how long I can keep them going)
It is easy to know if a call is coming from a call center as soon as you
pick it up. I usually just hang up as soon as I realize it is a robocall. Legitimate callers calling from a call center will think the connection
was cut due to bad coverage and redial. Spammers just move on to their
next victim.
On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 17:19:34 GMT
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
A good tipoff is that delay before an agent comes on the line.
Many call centers use a dialer which they feed a list of numbers;
it works down the list and when a prospective victim picks up it
transfers the call to the next available agent. This takes several
seconds, during which the called party hears dead air. I realized
how reliable this is when I noticed that whenever my wife picks up
the phone and says hello twice, her next words are an angry demand
to be left alone.
Some of them wait until they hear a voice before transferring the call, if you pick up the phone and stay silent they hang up in a few
seconds.
On 2022-09-12, Richard Falken <nospam.Richard.Falken@f1.n770.z11166.fidonet.org>
wrote:
Spam is killing telephones faster than email. I have not found much issue
experimenting with small email services (though I admit that any independent >> server which is itself not extremely small has a high chance of making it to a
blacklist). However, phones have reached a point in which if you phone some >> grandpa to tell him to show up at the Doctor's office asap because of some >> urgent issue, the grandpa won't pick the phone up because he will believe you
to be a Mexican spammer selling car insurance of Internet subscriptions.
This is where call display is worth its weight in gold. If we don't recognize the caller - or it's one that can't possibly be good (e.g.
area code 800, 888, etc. or "BLOCKED"), we ignore it. It's quite
effective, since few telemarketers will leave a message.
In the case of your grandpa, he'll see your name and phone number
on the display and know it's safe to pick up. (Yes, there are
some lowlifes who are spoofing caller IDs, but that's rare.)
It might be a chargeable feature in your area, but IMHO it's
well worth a few bucks a month to be able to filter out spammers.
On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 02:44:20 +0000, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2022-09-12, Richard Falken <nospam.Richard.Falken@f1.n770.z11166.fidonet.org>
wrote:
Spam is killing telephones faster than email. I have not found much issue >>> experimenting with small email services (though I admit that any independent
server which is itself not extremely small has a high chance of making it to a
blacklist). However, phones have reached a point in which if you phone some >>> grandpa to tell him to show up at the Doctor's office asap because of some >>> urgent issue, the grandpa won't pick the phone up because he will believe you
to be a Mexican spammer selling car insurance of Internet subscriptions.
This is where call display is worth its weight in gold. If we don't
recognize the caller - or it's one that can't possibly be good (e.g.
area code 800, 888, etc. or "BLOCKED"), we ignore it. It's quite
effective, since few telemarketers will leave a message.
In the case of your grandpa, he'll see your name and phone number
on the display and know it's safe to pick up. (Yes, there are
some lowlifes who are spoofing caller IDs, but that's rare.)
It might be a chargeable feature in your area, but IMHO it's
well worth a few bucks a month to be able to filter out spammers.
FWIW, I took an old computer, installed a $80 telephone interface
card in it (a TDM410P clone with a single FXO and 3 FXS ports),
and loaded it with Asterisk (https://www.asterisk.org/).
This now sits between my POTS landline and my home telephones,
filtering out unwanted calls, and providing me with both PSTN
and VoIP telephony service.
With call display, the Asterisk server can determine the caller's
phone number, and filter out the calls I do not want to take. It
also grades the calls on how familiar I am with the caller, and
blocks or allows callers based on their grade, and an associated
schedule. Thus, some special personal callers can call at any time,
while most personal callers get shunted to voicemail between
9:30PM and 9:30AM, and business callers get shunted to voicemail
between 5:00PM and 9:30AM.
While the number of spam calls that I get hasn't dropped all that
much, most don't even last long enough to ring my home phones.
Yep, that's what I do and they almost always hang up on me. The
delay varies a lot though,
There is another scam that involves calls that only ring for a
short time and hang up or hang up almost immediately if answered. These
are call back bait - if you call back to find out about your missed call
it goes to a high rate premium number. You find out how badly you've been scammed when the bill comes in.
On 17 Sep 2022 08:13:14 +1000
not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:
Yep, that's what I do and they almost always hang up on me. The
delay varies a lot though,
There is another scam that involves calls that only ring for a
short time and hang up or hang up almost immediately if answered. These are call back bait - if you call back to find out about your missed call it
goes to a high rate premium number. You find out how badly you've been scammed when the bill comes in.
Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
On 17 Sep 2022 08:13:14 +1000
not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:
Yep, that's what I do and they almost always hang up on me. The
delay varies a lot though,
There is another scam that involves calls that only ring for a
short time and hang up or hang up almost immediately if answered. These are >> call back bait - if you call back to find out about your missed call it
goes to a high rate premium number. You find out how badly you've been
scammed when the bill comes in.
Huh, I didn't know about that one. My landline phone doesn't do
Caller ID though, so it wouldn't work on me that way. On rare
occasions automated scam and political advertising messages have
been left on my answering machine though (I guess they detect the
beep). A convincing message left there could probably trick me into
calling back.
"This is the Canada Revenue Agency. Please call back immediately
regarding your tax return. Be aware that failure to reply, or
not replying truthfully, can result in severe penalties."
Yeah, right.
On Sun, 18 Sep 2022 00:22:09 GMT
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
"This is the Canada Revenue Agency. Please call back immediately
regarding your tax return. Be aware that failure to reply, or
not replying truthfully, can result in severe penalties."
Yeah, right.
That would be a skilful spammer, most assume you're in the USA.
I've had no end of issues with my First National and Bank of America accounts, also problems with my amazon.com prime account, the FBI seem to have lost interest they were after me by email some years back.
Perhaps these spammers think Ireland is a suburb of Boston.
On Sun, 18 Sep 2022 00:22:09 GMT
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
"This is the Canada Revenue Agency. Please call back immediately
regarding your tax return. Be aware that failure to reply, or
not replying truthfully, can result in severe penalties."
Yeah, right.
That would be a skilful spammer, most assume you're in the USA.
I've had no end of issues with my First National and Bank of America accounts, also problems with my amazon.com prime account, the FBI seem
to have lost interest they were after me by email some years back.
Perhaps these spammers think Ireland is a suburb of Boston.
A good tipoff is that delay before an agent comes on the line.
Some of them wait until they hear a voice
before transferring the call
It is odd isn't it that in the days when only some people had tape
based answering machines they tended to get used ...
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