• Re: Gmail from Pi

    From scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us@3:770/3 to Shaun Buzza on Tue Apr 5 20:28:30 2022
    Shaun Buzza <nospam.Shaun.Buzza@f110.n229.z1.fidonet.org> wrote:
    Find a provider that isn't trying to lock you into their surveillance state.

    In other words, be your own provider? Any company that offers 'free' email is making their money somewhere else...often through the sale of 'user data'...

    It's not impossible to set up your own email server at home, provided you have
    a valid web address to route it through...

    Better still would be to host it on a VPS. If it's mail-only, you can
    probably find something for $5-$10 per month that'll run Postfix and
    Dovecot. There'll probably even be enough spare horsepower to get something like Roundcube running, if you want a webmail interface. I've hosted my own mail for the better part of 20 years.

    Unlike your home IP address, the address you get with a VPS shouldn't be on
    any DNSBLs. Home IP address blocks have long since been added to
    dynamic-IP blocklists; any attempt to send mail from one will almost
    certainly fail.

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  • From Andy Burns@3:770/3 to scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us on Tue Apr 5 21:31:30 2022
    scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us wrote:

    Better still would be to host it on a VPS. If it's mail-only, you can probably find something for $5-$10 per month that'll run Postfix and
    Dovecot.

    Last I checked, Oracle were giving away ARM-based cloud VMs ...

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  • From druck@3:770/3 to All on Tue Apr 5 21:39:08 2022
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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@3:770/3 to druck on Wed Apr 6 09:06:50 2022
    druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:
    On 05/04/2022 21:31, Andy Burns wrote:
    scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us wrote:

    Better still would be to host it on a VPS. If it's mail-only, you can
    probably find something for $5-$10 per month that'll run Postfix and
    Dovecot.

    Last I checked, Oracle were giving away ARM-based cloud VMs ...

    Oracle never give anything away! But all cloud vendors are following
    AWS' lead, the latest being being Azure with Ampere ARM cores https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/05/microsoft_ampere_azure_vm/

    Oracle are actually about the most generous with the free VPS deal,
    not expiring after one year like the deal AWS offers. Here's a
    recent review: https://lowendbox.com/blog/asking-the-oracle-is-always-free-the-future-of-the-low-end/

    I believe x86 VPSs are also available as the "AMD Compute" option,
    though at lower specs than the ARM ones.

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  • From Ahem A Rivet's Shot@3:770/3 to Richard Falken on Wed Apr 6 12:37:28 2022
    On Wed, 06 Apr 2022 05:59:02 +1200 nospam.Richard.Falken@f1.n770.z9867.fidonet.org (Richard Falken) wrote:

    Actually, many VPS come with their own blacklisted IP.

    If you use a cheapo provider such as Hetzner they are very likely to give
    you an IP which used to be assigned to somebody else, and if that person managed to get it into a blacklist, so you will be.

    Can any provider do anything else ? The pool of never used IP
    addresses must be getting very small by now, IANA ran out of ranges ages
    ago. I suppose a careful provider could put dirtied IP addresses aside for scrubbing - but getting an IP address out of blacklists is not going to
    be easy, it's probably impossible to completely clear them all - does
    anyone bother ?

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  • From Anton Shepelev@3:770/3 to All on Fri Apr 8 19:49:40 2022
    Adrian:

    I'm currently sending emails from various Pis via
    Gmail. I'm assuming that the forthcoming changes to
    Gmail authentication will break this. Has anyone
    worked out how to resolve this ? I've had a look on-
    line, but nothing has shown up. I'm using a combina-
    tion of msmtp and mpack to send.

    I hear that Sypheed Claws supports OAuth:

    https://www.claws-mail.org/faq/index.php/Oauth2

    What is this -- Google's abomination or a truely free
    authentification protocol?

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  • From Ahem A Rivet's Shot@3:770/3 to Anton Shepelev on Fri Apr 8 18:24:58 2022
    On Fri, 8 Apr 2022 19:49:41 +0300
    Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> wrote:

    I hear that Sypheed Claws supports OAuth:

    https://www.claws-mail.org/faq/index.php/Oauth2

    What is this -- Google's abomination or a truely free
    authentification protocol?

    It's an open standard published by the IETF. It had its origins at Twitter and is used by them, Google, Facebook, Amazon ... to provide a way
    of sharing user IDs between providers.

    When I was at Yahoo! we used it to get fresh data from Facebook,
    Gmail ... into Yahoo! front page widgets. I don't recall for sure now
    whether that data streamed through Yahoo! servers or was merged in the
    browser - I think it streamed through Yahoo! but only the stuff that showed
    in the widget and only when the user was online.

    Which is still more than I am personally comfortable with!

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  • From Andy Burns@3:770/3 to David Taylor on Sat Apr 9 18:40:18 2022
    David Taylor wrote:

    If I generate an outh gmail password for one program (e.g. Thunderbird), can I
    then just use that same password for any other program, or do I need to generate
    one password for each program?  Must that program support oauth?

    I haven't tried it, thunderbird does let you view the oauth "token" that is generated as a result of the web sign-in, theoretically the token will expire and need renewing in the future, not happened to me yet though.

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