Yes, now all those floor warts here go to one outlet of my UPS....
Not drectly to the mains, powers everything for some minutes if mains
fails. When main interruptions get longer than a few minutes I plug
the UPS into
this: http://panteltje.com/pub/250_Ah_12V_to_230V_sinewave_IXXIMG_0796
.JPG that is a 250 Ah lifepo4 battery pack with on top of it a 2000 W
12V to 230V pure sinewave converter. Will allow me to watch TV etc for
the whole night, lights, other electronics and even can power the gas central heating if must be. Bought the thing for a boat actually, to
have some power. Your power tools, drill, sander, paint stripper,
washing machine, cooking plate and microwave all run happely on it :-)
I have some solar panel somewhere to charge it back up, will take some time...
Hello Jan!
Saturday February 05 2022 20:16, you wrote to me:
Yes, now all those floor warts here go to one outlet of my UPS....
Not drectly to the mains, powers everything for some minutes if mains fails. When main interruptions get longer than a few minutes I plug
the UPS into
this: http://panteltje.com/pub/250_Ah_12V_to_230V_sinewave_IXXIMG_0796
.JPG that is a 250 Ah lifepo4 battery pack with on top of it a 2000 W
12V to 230V pure sinewave converter. Will allow me to watch TV etc for
the whole night, lights, other electronics and even can power the gas central heating if must be. Bought the thing for a boat actually, to
have some power. Your power tools, drill, sander, paint stripper,
washing machine, cooking plate and microwave all run happely on it :-)
I have some solar panel somewhere to charge it back up, will take some time...
I do have a 4Kw solar system but that is hardly bullet proof as winter >generation is very poor i.e., 1Kw at best and sometimes 1Kw for the whole day, >the summer at mid day it is some where around 3KW per hour and needles to
say does not get used much - may be for the odd washing machine or tumble >dryer load. Night time well that is always the power grid.
A solution would be a battery pack such as in a Electric car but my cars are >combustion for mine and hybrid for my wife (a new Honda Jazz) so can't do that >and buying a large battery pack say 50Kw is silly money (4k pounds) with only >five year warranty too much to justify.
If I was 10 years younger I would have considered one or the other - well may >be not a electric car as my mileage is around 2,000 miles per year so hardly >justifiable for such an expensive vehicle.
Now wind power might work but they are very noisy :(
Vincent
Nuclear power is an obvious way out We live in a world where a
generation brought up with fairy tales about polarbears by Al Gore wants
to be green and live in grass huts it seems.
On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 04:46:50 +0000, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Nuclear power is an obvious way out We live in a world where a
generation brought up with fairy tales about polarbears by Al Gore wants
to be green and live in grass huts it seems.
Not as obvious as all that. For starters, there's quite a large
greenhouse gas contribution (about 30% of what a coal plant produces)
from a Uranium burner once you include the carbon contributions from
building (and dismantling) the plant plus that due to uranium mining, refining and fuel rod production.
the summer at mid day it is some where around 3KW per hour
I don't believe in "the one true energy solution", we'll be using a
mix of whatever the people paying the big bills think is best at the time until we can't and if that happens we're in bad place so let's hope it doesn't.
On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 04:46:50 +0000, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Nuclear power is an obvious way out We live in a world where aNot as obvious as all that. For starters, there's quite a large
generation brought up with fairy tales about polarbears by Al Gore wants
to be green and live in grass huts it seems.
greenhouse gas contribution (about 30% of what a coal plant produces)
from a Uranium burner once you include the carbon contributions from
building (and dismantling) the plant plus that due to uranium mining, refining and fuel rod production.
Secondly, there's not as much uranium still in the ground as a lot of
people think.
Thirdly, radioactive waste disposal hasn't been properly tackled yet.
There's a lot of talk about long term repositories, but the actual
situation is that all the waste is still sitting in cooling ponds, etc
while governments, scared of the cost of proper disposal, do bugger all
about it.
Lastly, there are a lot fewer engineering firms who can build and
dismantle nuclear plant than is generally realised, something like six globally
capacity can be built in time to make a difference the global warming.
Especially when you consider that the engineers who built all the nuclear plant of a similar age to that running in the UK at present are now all retired or dead. About the only type of nuclear plant that's readily available these days are the compact units used to run submarines. Small, modular, relatively easy to produce, though I get the impression that refuelling them may be another matter and, anyway, imaging the fuss if anybody tried to use them to replace the current small natural gas load balancing plants, which would be the obvious way to use them.
Check out http://www.stormsmith.nl/ for a good review of how things
really stand regarding nuclear energy production and its future prospects.
Check out http://www.stormsmith.nl/ for a good review of how thingsI can get all the left wing woke green propganda off the TV thanks
really stand regarding nuclear energy production and its future
prospects.
On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 04:46:50 +0000, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Nuclear power is an obvious way out We live in a world where aNot as obvious as all that. For starters, there's quite a large
generation brought up with fairy tales about polar bears by Al Gore wants
to be green and live in grass huts it seems.
greenhouse gas contribution (about 30% of what a coal plant produces)
from a Uranium burner once you include the carbon contributions from
building (and dismantling) the plant plus that due to uranium mining, >refining and fuel rod production.
Secondly, there's not as much uranium still in the ground as a lot of
people think.
Thirdly, radioactive waste disposal hasn't been properly tackled yet.
There's a lot of talk about long term repositories, but the actual
situation is that all the waste is still sitting in cooling ponds, etc
while governments, scared of the cost of proper disposal, do bugger all
about it.
Lastly, there are a lot fewer engineering firms who can build and
dismantle nuclear plant than is generally realised, something like six >globally so its very much an open question whether enough generation
capacity can be built in time to make a difference the global warming.
Especially when you consider that the engineers who built all the nuclear >plant of a similar age to that running in the UK at present are now all >retired or dead. About the only type of nuclear plant that's readily >available these days are the compact units used to run submarines. Small, >modular, relatively easy to produce, though I get the impression that >refuelling them may be another matter and, anyway, imaging the fuss if >anybody tried to use them to replace the current small natural gas load >balancing plants, which would be the obvious way to use them.
Check out http://www.stormsmith.nl/ for a good review of how things
really stand regarding nuclear energy production and its future prospects.
Just imagine every transport electric and the power grid fails (it often does there) no emergency vehicles no tools no instruments...
Bringing a generation up with lies and fairy tales is dangerous for the species. Religious powers in the past, Viking experiment was positive for life on Mars was denied half an hour later (I remember the announcement). Those religious leaders do not allow you to know we are just like a speck
of dust in an universe where there are many others and their beliefs,
their fairy tales differ.
The Natural Philosopher wrote:As intelligent technical people we do not need political emotional
Check out http://www.stormsmith.nl/ for a good review of how thingsI can get all the left wing woke green propganda off the TV thanks
really stand regarding nuclear energy production and its future
prospects.
There was a swiss study that if we plant 30B trees we reduce CO2 by 30%. I have not heard it pushed by the MSM or the activists. Although there are campaigns here and there.
It is hard to not be political in sort of discussions.
We could burn anything if we had enough plants to absorb the CO2. The main problem is deforestation of the planet and greens are not doing anything about it.
About greenhouse gas causing glowball warming:Yup.
it is a fake story:
Look up CO2 levels over the previous millions of years with google,
those were at times much higher, not many humans around back then.
Same Milankovich cycles.
Al Gore's fairy tales telling to sell his stuff, an excess of [US] capitalism.<snip anti vax stuff>
No radiation is not as dangerous as many are made to think, a plot originating
from 'hide under the table for the nuclear bomb' media drive.
Wild life at Chernobyl is thriving!
Thorium _maybe_ a way out I think China is experimenting with a Thorium reactor.
Thirdly, radioactive waste disposal hasn't been properly tackled yet.
There's a lot of talk about long term repositories, but the actual
situation is that all the waste is still sitting in cooling ponds, etc
while governments, scared of the cost of proper disposal, do bugger all
about it.
Dump it in the Mariana Trench, lock up the few that start babbling about the deep sea fishes and creatures there
ask them if they eat meat.
Lastly, there are a lot fewer engineering firms who can build and
dismantle nuclear plant than is generally realised, something like six
globally so its very much an open question whether enough generation
capacity can be built in time to make a difference the global warming.
True, same way we wonder: 'How did they build those pyramids?'
Russia has some ships with small nuclear reactors that they use to power cities on the coast.
Bringing a generation up with lies and fairy tales is dangerous for the species.
Jan Panteltje wrote:
Just imagine every transport electric and the power grid fails (it often >> does there) no emergency vehicles no tools no instruments...
Bringing a generation up with lies and fairy tales is dangerous for the
species. Religious powers in the past, Viking experiment was positive for
life on Mars was denied half an hour later (I remember the announcement).
Those religious leaders do not allow you to know we are just like a speck
of dust in an universe where there are many others and their beliefs,
their fairy tales differ.
There is one movie that sums up all: Idiocracy
There is one movie that sums up all: Idiocracy+10001
I realised we were there when the UK government spend 12 weeks debating whether it was right or wrong, harmful or harmless to let a pack of
dogs chase an evil murderous verminous bunch of foxes, and less than a morning to decide to kill tens of thousands or Iraqis by invading them,
on the basis of a forged document, having first killed the man who tried
to tell them it was forged.
30B trees
Deloptes wrote:
30B trees
"B" is Bel or ten Decibel. 30 B = 300 dB = 10^15. Trying to guess, you
might mean "billion" here. If so you might refer to either the real and correct billion, 10^12, or T for Tera, or the devalued and wrong
American one, 10^9 or G for Giga.
Had you used the correct and well defined SI prefix in place of some own invention, the ambiguity would not have arisen. Due to the prevalence of American abuse it is generally not advisable to use the erstwhile well defined terms billion and trillion any more.
There was a swiss study that if we plant 30B trees we reduce CO2 by 30%.
For the first time 97% of the world population are completely
superfluous to the production of wealth for the 3% of the elite who
enjoy it.So they have developed a narrative of voluntary enslavement,
by promising everyone a better life if they give them all their money.
This is called 'socialism' .
You mean: " ... some invention of your own ..."
To say "an own invention" is not English. You should say "my/your/his/her own invention" as appropriate.
That's one of the things it's called. Another name is "capitalism",
with the masses enslaved by their screens. Although I usually like
to call it "corporate fascism".
Many large corporations believe that the mere fact of their existence entitles them to our money.
There was a swiss study that if we plant 30B trees we reduce CO2 by 30%.
And then in a couple of hundred years when they die and rot away, or get burnt?
Charlie Gibbs wrote:
That's one of the things it's called. Another name is "capitalism",
with the masses enslaved by their screens. Although I usually like
to call it "corporate fascism".
Many large corporations believe that the mere fact of their existence
entitles them to our money.
Some years ago I came to a conclusion capitalism does not exist anymore. It has mutated into feudalism. I just watched a discussion with J. Varoufakis. He calls this techno-feudalism. I believe we all think the same.
Corporations acting as feudal lords and the people as peasants. Fortunately now everything lasts couple of years or decades. So for some of us it will
be amusing to see the end of all this.
On 2022-02-07, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
For the first time 97% of the world population are completely
superfluous to the production of wealth for the 3% of the elite who
enjoy it.So they have developed a narrative of voluntary enslavement,
by promising everyone a better life if they give them all their money.
This is called 'socialism' .
That's one of the things it's called. Another name is "capitalism",
with the masses enslaved by their screens. Although I usually like
to call it "corporate fascism".
Many large corporations believe that the mere fact of their existence entitles them to our money.
The question is, from a purely cynical and unemotional perspective, is whether post modern techno feudalism is temporally persistent or not, or
is in fact unstable.
Today's cynical exploitation of the masses seems to consist in stripping
them of real wealth while doing everything to make them feel good about themselves.
So here in the UK we charge them thousands for a fake University Degree
that is useless, but makes them feel smart when they are in fact
terminally stupid.
When I started work, day-release was a common thing - a day a week at a
local FE institute (ONC/HNC). Attendance was checked. An alternative was night school (also at local FE inst.) - probably paid for by the
employer.
I was still taking advantage of this system in 1979.
On Tue, 08 Feb 2022 10:06:09 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Today's cynical exploitation of the masses seems to consist in strippingYou forgot another element: feeding the masses on harmful garbage while brainwashing them into thinking that wjat they're eating is good for them.
them of real wealth while doing everything to make them feel good about
themselves.
Yep, the Soviets ran a better education system while the USSR was still a thing: education was free provided you kept passing the exams. This was backed up with an extensive night school system run from the People's
So here in the UK we charge them thousands for a fake University Degree
that is useless, but makes them feel smart when they are in fact
terminally stupid.
Palaces Of Culture that, like the Open University and the adult education system, could let an early dropout get an education while working.
I got my education in a not dissimilar system in NZ, though it never had
the night school bit. That said, it worked well. I believe the UK had a similar system once, though you don't hear much about it now.
On Tue, 08 Feb 2022 12:29:30 +0000, Chris Elvidge wrote:
When I started work, day-release was a common thing - a day a week at aSame here, oddly enough.
local FE institute (ONC/HNC). Attendance was checked. An alternative
was night school (also at local FE inst.) - probably paid for by the
employer.
I was still taking advantage of this system in 1979.
I'd spent much of 76/77 working in NYC (programming a 2903, under
contract to ICL) and, while there, used to visit 'The Computer Store' on
5th Ave and 34th W - at the time it was the only microcomputer store in
town. Went travelling for 10 months after that and then decided I ought
to know more about mictocomputers, so did an assembler night course in
winter '78 at Clapham Poly on North Star boxes containing MC 6800 floppy systems with the FLEX OS. Assembled my own 6809 system from a kit soon
after that (where 'kit' was a heap of PCBs, components, case keyboard
and a couple of floppy drives.
Use to walk past the IBM building on 6th, up in the 60s just below
Central Park, every so often because they had the most incredible window displays. One time it was an example of every disk drive they'd ever
built, next time was memory - from ferrite core to IC chips, and a few
of weeks later the Apollo capsule's computer system.
I don't think any modern political system is comparable to feudalism. Feudalism had a very specific set of traits we don't see reproduced
nowadays.
Peasants more or less belonged to the noble who owned their particular
piece of land. By this I mean the noble passed the laws and designated the way justice was to be done, and the laws were stacked to benefit the particular noble writing them (and their close friends).
Nobles, on the other hand, were honor bound to higher nobles, to the point lower nobles might have no posessions on their own (!) and find themselves enjoying any crumbs a higher-up wanted to share with them.
The argument that an Amazon employee is a modern peasant, and that Bezos
is a modern feudal lord, only works so far:
* The Amazon employee may have a significant amount of property, the laws
he has to abide to are imposed by an orthogonal organization (the
government) whose relationship with Amazon is only tangential.
* Bezos is not in an honor relationship to either higher or lower lords. Specifically, nobody Bezos has made an specific deal with can demand for Amazon to save him if things go bad (equivalent of a lower lord asking for help to a higher lord). On the other hand, there is no higher lord who can demand Bezos to put the Amazon machinery to work for him (equivalent of a higher lord demmanding resources from a lower lord). The government may extract an effect such as the last one, but it would not be an honor deal sourced from a prior agreement, but a case of cohertion ("Give us Amazon
or our cops will shove a baton up your ass!")
Well, you are now describing the techno-feudalism and how it differs from middle age feudalism.
Also we are still in the beginning or may be middle of the development. Middle ages lasted for about 1000y. The techno-feudalism just started
30-40y ago.
from the old system as you describe above - government still has something
to say. However if it goes in this direction with lobbies etc. soon we will have government only on paper. The government is mutating into the
executive that enforces the will of the lord(s) such like Besos.
I hope I am wrong, but lets wait and see
On 08/02/2022 17:36, Deloptes wrote:
Well, you are now describing the techno-feudalism and how it differs
from middle age feudalism.
I think so. If that is the name you want to give it.
Also we are still in the beginning or may be middle of the development.
Middle ages lasted for about 1000y. The techno-feudalism just started
30-40y ago.
Look, socialism per se reflected the rising power of the manual worker
post the Black Death of 134x etc. That effectively ended feudal
slavery. People no longer legally *belonged* to the lord and master etc
etc.
On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 11:22:05 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 08/02/2022 17:36, Deloptes wrote:An excellent summarising rant. Thanks for posting it.
Well, you are now describing the techno-feudalism and how it differs
from middle age feudalism.
I think so. If that is the name you want to give it.
Also we are still in the beginning or may be middle of the development.
Middle ages lasted for about 1000y. The techno-feudalism just started
30-40y ago.
Look, socialism per se reflected the rising power of the manual worker
post the Black Death of 134x etc. That effectively ended feudal
slavery. People no longer legally *belonged* to the lord and master etc
etc.
Didn't miss much: just no swipe at the 'woke' mob for typically
thoughtless reactions to almost anything they don't like or understand,
and not one at the major religions for encouraging population growth regardless of all else when what's needed is a combination of reducing
human population to the point where it doesn't blitz all forms of life
into extinction and may have a decent shot at running 'civilization'
entirely on renewable energy: an essential condition if, as seems likely,
we don't get a fusion power source running any time soon or discover a scalable way of leaving Earth, e.g. a practical FTL space drive.
ATM there's a rather good real-life illustration of TNP's predictions available on BBC Sounds, called 'The Comming Storm'. It is worth a listen
I think despite its rather slow pace. It describes what looks very much
like the beginning of the collapse of the North American State. I
wouldn't be surprised if TNP is listening to it or has already heard it.
In an odd sort of way it also ties in with something I read or heard a
while back: that Ben Franklin, who had a major hand in writing the US Constitution and was somewhat of an anarchist, almost succeeded in
providing the US with an completely unworkable constitution: what they
have is sort of usable only because its other authors unpicked his more obvious gotchas and the first amendments removed a few more.
On 2022-02-09, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
What I used to say about Microsoft - "Designed to sell, not to work"
sums it up.
Political ideologies are likewise designed to sell, not to work.
FSVO "work". Microsoft defines "work" as "make money", while politicians define "work" as "acquire power". By those yardsticks, their ideologies
are working perfectly.
What I used to say about Microsoft - "Designed to sell, not to work"
sums it up.
Political ideologies are likewise designed to sell, not to work.
In article (Dans l'article) <1644184647@f1.n250.z2.fidonet.org>,
Vincent Coen <nospam.Vincent.Coen@f1.n250.z2.fidonet.org> wrote (écrivait) :
the summer at mid day it is some where around 3KW per hour
I would be curious to know what represent "3KW per hour" i.e. 3 kelvin•watt per hour.
Nitpicking... 3kWh.
Nikolaj Lazic wrote:
Nitpicking... 3kWh.
Possibly. It might be an honest typo but I know far too many who have no
idea what the difference between work and power, between watts and kilowatt-hours might be.
The dimensionless and disregarded time is all
too prevalent. Not just for for electricity. Read the newspapers and see
how often they don't differentiate between renting and buying outright (renting is cheaper, honest), between capital and income, between hourly wages and monthly or yearly salary.
It drives me bonkers and it's for that reason that I'm very particular
about the correct units.
On 10/02/2022 00:02, Axel Berger wrote:
Nikolaj Lazic wrote:
Nitpicking... 3kWh.
Possibly. It might be an honest typo but I know far too many who have no
idea what the difference between work and power, between watts and
kilowatt-hours might be.
ArtStudents™
The dimensionless and disregarded time is allFools the Blairite generation who cannot read write or do arithmetic.
too prevalent. Not just for for electricity. Read the newspapers and see
how often they don't differentiate between renting and buying outright
(renting is cheaper, honest), between capital and income, between hourly
wages and monthly or yearly salary.
But all of whom went to Uni.
I mean, look at the Abbottamus
Or SocialsistSlut Rayner.
Imagine having either in charge of the economy.
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