• Pope Leo

    From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to All on Sat May 10 23:24:12 2025
    I'm a Christian, and I go to a Catholic Church, but I'm not a fan of Papal leadership or of any church leadership that goes beyond the father(s) at the churches.

    I didn't like the propagandist messaging that came from Pope Francis pertaining to the USA's reluctance to accept migrants, and I didn't like how Catholic Charities (during his reign) funded attorneys who advocated for illegal immigration into the USA.

    Now I strongly suspect that this new pope was chosen (not elected but chosen) by the world elite because 1) who does the world elite despise more than anybody? (Trump) 2) what kind of pope do they want? (One who will oppose Trump) 3) Where is this new pope from and what's his background? (Trump-hating leftist from Chicago.)

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Sun May 11 09:59:58 2025
    Aaron Thomas wrote to All <=-

    Now I strongly suspect that this new pope was chosen (not elected but chosen) by the world elite

    Well, duh. There is "election" of the Pope and never has.

    But remember that the Catholic Church **was** (and potentially, still is) part of the Elitists who want to rule over all of us.

    The Church just does it more "softly".

    because 1) who does the world elite despise
    more than anybody? (Trump) 2) what kind of pope do they want? (One who will oppose Trump) 3) Where is this new pope from and what's his background? (Trump-hating leftist from Chicago.)

    I actually stopped caring what the Pope says/does/etc. a long time ago and I see no reason today to change that.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Ron L. on Sun May 11 07:13:00 2025
    Now I strongly suspect that this new pope was chosen (not elected but chosen) by the world elite

    Well, duh. There is "election" of the Pope and never has.

    "But the colored smoke! That proves everything! Right!?" :)

    The Church just does it more "softly".

    They weren't too soft when they helped cover up the truth behind the Kennedy assassination.

    I actually stopped caring what the Pope says/does/etc. a long time ago
    and I see no reason today to change that.

    I care about what he says because he has influence over sheeple. And I hope he keeps his mouth closed about American politics.

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  • From Pablo Gener@4:900/102 to Aaron Thomas on Sun May 11 21:02:44 2025
    Now I strongly suspect that this new pope was chosen (not elected but chosen) by the world elite because 1) who does the world elite despise more than anybody? (Trump) 2) what kind of pope do they want? (One who will oppose Trump) 3) Where is this new pope from and what's his background? (Trump-hating leftist from Chicago.)


    Human are made to read patterns.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Mon May 12 07:12:30 2025
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    They weren't too soft when they helped cover up the truth behind the Kennedy assassination.

    But that's not general knowledge (yet).

    And by "soft" I mean that they "encourage" that we give up all our thinking to the church "elders" and treat dissadents like wayward children. As opposed to the Elitists of today who want to pass laws to take all our rights away.

    I care about what he says because he has influence over sheeple. And I hope he keeps his mouth closed about American politics.

    He won't. He's another Woke Pope and yet another reason that religion is not necessairly the opposite of rule by the Elitists.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Pablo Gener on Mon May 12 04:36:02 2025
    will oppose Trump) 3) Where is this new pope from and what's his background? (Trump-hating leftist from Chicago.)


    Human are made to read patterns.

    You are correct. And there are some clues that are too obvious for us to ignore.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Ron L. on Mon May 12 05:33:22 2025
    And by "soft" I mean that they "encourage" that we give up all our thinking to the church "elders" and treat dissadents like wayward children. As opposed to the Elitists of today who want to pass laws to take all our rights away.

    The weirdest thing happened yesterday, just as we're in the midst of this conversation:

    Yesterday's mass at my church was focus on sheephood. The father said we are sheep and God is our shepherd. Then he said that children are sheep and parents are their shepherds. Then he said Catholics are sheep and the church leaders are our shepherds. But then he said "the pope is our shepherd and we are his sheep." (That last part didn't sit well.)

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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30.1 to Aaron Thomas on Mon May 12 06:47:28 2025

    I'm a Christian, and I go to a Catholic Church, but I'm not a fan of Papal leadership or of any church leadership that goes beyond the father(s) at the churches.

    Are you catholic? I hope you do not participate in The Eucharist with that wishy-washy description of your faith


    I didn't like the propagandist messaging that came from Pope Francis pertaining to the USA's reluctance to accept migrants, and I didn't like how Catholic Charities (during his reign) funded attorneys who advocated for illegal immigration into the USA.

    Once again, I sincerely hope you're not taking communion. When speaking on matters of faith and ethics, the pope is infallible, being the direct successor of St. Peter.


    Now I strongly suspect that this new pope was chosen (not elected but chosen) by the world elite because 1) who does the world elite despise more than anybody? (Trump) 2) what kind of pope do they want? (One who will oppose Trump) 3) Where is this new pope from and what's his background? (Trump-hating leftist from Chicago.)

    Chosen is correct. Pope Leo XIV was chosen by God, through the prayers of the faithful and the ballots cast by the sacred college of cardinals.

    Perhaps you should find a different Church to attend if you are not Catholic, as such blasphemy could surely lead to your excommunication, otherwise.


    Or, maybe this entire religion thing is just a pile of crap made up to control the people.



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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Mike Miller on Mon May 12 14:03:10 2025
    Are you catholic? I hope you do not participate in The Eucharist with that wishy-washy description of your faith

    Not taking communion is direspectful to Jesus, but not agreeing with the pope is a God-given right. Take my advice: don't be on a mission to be holier than others.

    Once again, I sincerely hope you're not taking communion. When speaking
    on matters of faith and ethics, the pope is infallible, being the direct successor of St. Peter.

    I take it twice a day sometimes. My relationship with some guy who was chosen by PepsiCo and Proctor & Gamble has nothing to do with my relationship with God.

    Perhaps you should find a different Church to attend if you are not Catholic, as such blasphemy could surely lead to your excommunication, otherwise.

    Listen to yourself and then ask yourself if that sounds Christian to you.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Tue May 13 07:16:02 2025
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    The weirdest thing happened yesterday, just as we're in the midst of
    this conversation:

    Yesterday's mass at my church was focus on sheephood. The father said
    we are sheep and God is our shepherd. Then he said that children are
    sheep and parents are their shepherds. Then he said Catholics are sheep and the church leaders are our shepherds. But then he said "the pope is our shepherd and we are his sheep." (That last part didn't sit well.)

    None of it sat well with me since it all smacks of ownership and slavehood.

    They want to try to say "we are keeping you safe", but the reality is that "we are keeping you as slaves". But just in a softer way than passing laws.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Ron L. on Tue May 13 05:48:56 2025
    our shepherd and we are his sheep." (That last part didn't sit well.)

    None of it sat well with me since it all smacks of ownership and slavehood.

    Yea it was ridiculous. And the choir sang psalm 100 - We Are His People, the Sheep of His Flock, which was hilarious.

    The church is taking advantage of the psalm and hacking it into "Obey the pope."

    If that's not disgusting enough, then what's worse is how the media is now acting like it's cool to be Christian when they always hated us prior to this pope getting hired. Now that they have one of their employees in charge of the Vatican, they won't shut up about him.

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  • From Pablo Gener@4:900/102 to Aaron Thomas on Tue May 13 13:25:54 2025
    You are correct. And there are some clues that are too obvious for us to ignore.


    You know what I think, people are stupid just because, *without* anyone conspiring to make them more stupid indeed.

    Cheers!

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  • From Pablo Gener@4:900/102 to Mike Miller on Tue May 13 13:30:42 2025
    Chosen is correct. Pope Leo XIV was chosen by God, through the prayers
    of the faithful and the ballots cast by the sacred college of cardinals.

    Perhaps you should find a different Church to attend if you are not Catholic, as such blasphemy could surely lead to your excommunication, otherwise.


    Or, maybe this entire religion thing is just a pile of crap made up to control the people.


    Oh, that plot twist at the end, really was *salvation* for me!!

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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30 to Pablo Gener on Tue May 13 13:43:14 2025

    Hello Pablo!

    20 Sep 70 21:04, you wrote to me:

    Chosen is correct. Pope Leo XIV was chosen by God, through the
    prayers of the faithful and the ballots cast by the sacred
    college of cardinals. Perhaps you should find a different Church
    to attend if you are not Catholic, as such blasphemy could surely
    lead to your excommunication, otherwise.


    Or, maybe this entire religion thing is just a pile of crap made
    up to control the people.

    Oh, that plot twist at the end, really was *salvation* for me!!

    I spent nearly a dozen years going to Catholic schools with daily relgious studies. I participated in (and led) youth retreats and services. I taught night school courses for younger kids. I went to Denver in 1993 for World Youth Day and was mere inches from Pope John Paul II at one point.

    In those Catholic schools I also learned science, mathematics, history, English, a bit of German, some French, and a whole bunch of other things.

    Those Catholic schools made me into the atheist I am today.


    Mike


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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30 to Aaron Thomas on Tue May 13 13:50:50 2025

    Hello Aaron!

    19 Sep 70 09:18, you wrote to me:

    Are you catholic? I hope you do not participate in The Eucharist
    with that wishy-washy description of your faith

    Not taking communion is direspectful to Jesus, but not agreeing with
    the pope is a God-given right. Take my advice: don't be on a mission
    to be holier than others.

    I'm definitely not, But I spent a dozen years in Catholic schools with daily relgious classes. I also taught night classes for children prior to their First Communion and First Confession. I'm not an expert in Catholic dogma, but I'm confident I know more than most Catholics.

    Once again, I sincerely hope you're not taking communion. When
    speaking on matters of faith and ethics, the pope is infallible,
    being the direct successor of St. Peter.

    I take it twice a day sometimes. My relationship with some guy who was chosen by PepsiCo and Proctor & Gamble has nothing to do with my relationship with God.

    I suggest you talk to your priest about that. And if he has no idea what you're speaking of, I'm sure the bishop at your diocese will. I'd suggest doing it during confession.

    Papal infalibility is part of Catholic dogma. Denying Catholic dogma, according to the Catholic Church is a grave sin (specifically, the sin of heresy).


    A person who is conscious of grave sin (perhaps you were not previously aware, you are now!) is not to receive communion without first participating in the sacrement of confession. [Can. 916]


    Perhaps you should find a different Church to attend if you are
    not Catholic, as such blasphemy could surely lead to your
    excommunication, otherwise.

    Listen to yourself and then ask yourself if that sounds Christian to
    you.

    I'm not Christian. I know a lot of good Christian and Catholic people, however, and none of them make up lies and accusations like you do.


    Mike


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Pablo Gener on Tue May 13 15:07:00 2025
    You are correct. And there are some clues that are too obvious for us ignore.


    You know what I think, people are stupid just because, *without* anyone conspiring to make them more stupid indeed.

    It's a regional thing. It's affecting people along the west coast of the USA and the northeastern states.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Wed May 14 07:29:48 2025
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Yea it was ridiculous. And the choir sang psalm 100 - We Are His
    People, the Sheep of His Flock, which was hilarious.

    The church is taking advantage of the psalm and hacking it into "Obey
    the pope."

    But they've been doing it for decades now. But like I said, it was "softer".

    If that's not disgusting enough, then what's worse is how the media is
    now acting like it's cool to be Christian when they always hated us
    prior to this pope getting hired. Now that they have one of their employees in charge of the Vatican, they won't shut up about him.

    Most churches, it seems, have long been infiltrated by the Woke. They are just a version of Controlled Opposition.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Ron L. on Wed May 14 06:42:48 2025
    If that's not disgusting enough, then what's worse is how the media i now acting like it's cool to be Christian when they always hated us prior to this pope getting hired. Now that they have one of their employees in charge of the Vatican, they won't shut up about him.

    Most churches, it seems, have long been infiltrated by the Woke. They
    are just a version of Controlled Opposition.

    I haven't noticed it until recently. Part of it has to do with (for Catholics) having a cool priest.

    During President Trump's first term we used to pray for him at mass. It was awesome. But now there's this new priest who is a little bit crazy and all of a sudden Psalm 100 ("We are sheep") is his favorite jam.

    So I think the Catholic church (some of them at least) are going through some anti-Trump changes that are probably being sponsored by people with big bucks.

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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30 to Aaron Thomas on Wed May 14 09:44:30 2025

    Hello Aaron!

    21 Sep 70 03:12, you wrote to me:

    Religion is just a vehicle for your relationship with God. You don't
    need it because you can walk to your destination without it. I like
    the Catholic church because it helps reenforce some of the good values that I teach my kids, but I'm about ready to ditch it for a new car.

    Might not be a bad idea. Your ideas of relgion clash with Catholic dogma.


    I suggest you talk to your priest about that. And if he has no
    idea what you're speaking of, I'm sure the bishop at your diocese
    will. I'd suggest doing it during confession.

    I'm not gonna talk to him about it, but you're right; the bishop
    probably knows exactly what I was talking about.

    I suggest you read this article:
    https://www.catholicshare.com/what-happens-when-a-non-catholic-receives-the-eucharist/


    Papal infalibility is part of Catholic dogma. Denying Catholic
    dogma, according to the Catholic Church is a grave sin
    (specifically, the sin of heresy).

    I was never instructed on which butts to kiss until now.

    If you're serious about the Catholic church, you may want to talk to your parish about RCIA (the Right of Christian Initiation of Adults)


    Listen to yourself and then ask yourself if that sounds
    Christian to
    you.

    I'm not Christian. I know a lot of good Christian and Catholic
    people, however, and none of them make up lies and accusations
    like you do.

    I call it me making an accurate prediction: I predicted that the pope
    was going to be an anti-Trump tool, and that's exactly what he's
    turning out to be. What lies and accusations are you talking about?

    Just as an example "a pope picked by PepsiCo & Proctor & Gamble" or "chosen by the world elite" etc. etc.

    The Pope is chosen by a college of Cardinals from all over the world, guided by the Holy Spirit.



    In other news, The Pope has a degree in mathematics from Villanova University.

    This means he doesn't just understand sin, he understands cos, too!


    Mike


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Mike Miller on Wed May 14 13:01:48 2025
    I suggest you read this article:

    https://www.catholicshare.com/what-happens-when-a-non-catholic-receives-th arist/

    The father at my church got mad when I didn't take the communion bread. He bitched me out thoroughly.

    God don't care about churches. He cares about people, and when you pray, he listens.

    If you're serious about the Catholic church, you may want to talk to
    your parish about RCIA (the Right of Christian Initiation of Adults)

    Then I can try to join other elite organizations who think they're above others.

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  • From Pablo Gener@4:900/102 to Ron L. on Wed May 14 18:33:20 2025
    Most churches, it seems, have long been infiltrated by the Woke. They
    are just a version of Controlled Opposition.


    You can't be catholic *and* woke... God is a man and is white with blue eyes. What are you talking about?

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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30 to Ron L. on Wed May 14 22:48:20 2025

    Hello Ron!

    22 Sep 70 02:38, you wrote to Aaron Thomas:

    Most churches, it seems, have long been infiltrated by the Woke. They
    are just a version of Controlled Opposition.


    You do know that "Woke", in its original definition and meaning, is contextually the same as "Awake" from Ray Nelson's short story "Eight O'Clock in the Morning" published in 1963?

    It's the story that inspired the John Carpenter's 1988 film: They Live. Which, even though it cast Rowdy Roddy Piper as the lead, still manages to be a great flick.



    Mike


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Thu May 15 08:06:20 2025
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    I haven't noticed it until recently. Part of it has to do with (for Catholics) having a cool priest.

    Do you remember Bill Knapp resturants?

    They catered to an older crowd. The problem is that the older crowd was dying off and they weren't liked by the younger crowd. Time went on, and when they realized that they needed to pivot to the younger crowd, it was too late and the restaurants closed.

    Well, churches are the same way. The older crowd gave the money, so they needed to cater to them. But that style turned off the younger crowd who didn't go when they got old enough to make that decision.

    As a result, many churches are trying to appeal to that younger crowd.

    But all that hides that fact that they are just as Elitist as the Democrats.

    And, IMHO, just as infiltrated as the universities by the Wokies.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Pablo Gener on Thu May 15 08:06:20 2025
    Pablo Gener wrote to Dr. What <=-

    You can't be catholic *and* woke... God is a man and is white with blue eyes. What are you talking about?

    Based on things that I've seen, most catholic churches aren't catholic.

    I got talked into going to a mega-church for a "ceremony" (I'm not going to call it "Mass") and thought I was at a live variety show with all the singing and guitar playing.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Ron L. on Thu May 15 12:41:48 2025
    Well, churches are the same way. The older crowd gave the money, so they needed to cater to them. But that style turned off the younger crowd who didn't go when they got old enough to make that decision.

    As a result, many churches are trying to appeal to that younger crowd.

    But all that hides that fact that they are just as Elitist as the Democrats.

    I don't remember Bill Knapps, but I get it. The Catholic Church was probably trying to appeal to older people during Trump's first term, but have since figured out that it's the younger generation that has more money.

    And, IMHO, just as infiltrated as the universities by the Wokies.

    They like money. If I ran a business and woke was the way to make profits, I guess I'd do the same thing (whatever it takes to maximize profits.)

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Sat May 17 07:45:44 2025
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    I don't remember Bill Knapps, but I get it. The Catholic Church was probably trying to appeal to older people during Trump's first term,
    but have since figured out that it's the younger generation that has
    more money.

    Money is part of it. But it's more along the lines of, if they can't get younger people to join the church, their membership will die off - literally. And the church dies off too.


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  • From Pablo Gener@4:900/102 to Ron L. on Sat May 17 15:46:28 2025
    I got talked into going to a mega-church for a "ceremony" (I'm not going to call it "Mass") and thought I was at a live variety show with all the singing and guitar playing.


    But they did have a black rasta jesus christ, right?
    \/s

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  • From Pablo Gener@4:900/102 to Ron L. on Sat May 17 15:48:34 2025
    Money is part of it. But it's more along the lines of, if they can't get younger people to join the church, their membership will die off - literally. And the church dies off too.


    And younger people are refusing to have children. No kids, no up and coming believers within the next 5 generations.

    Pol Malvinas.

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