Not at all. Trump speaks to crowds of 10,000+ supporters all the time, day after day, and he NEVER had any trouble like the January 6 troublemakers. He's
told millions of people to "fight fight fight" and there hasn't been any fight
at any Trump rallies.

None of his other rallies were down the street from where the Electoral
Votes were being counted, either, and I doubt he suggests at any other
rallies that the crowd should march down to somewhere else after he is done.

He has been clear about the border. Most other issues, as you have noticed, he has not been so. I don't think you can take a politician's word when it comes to promises like cutting a utility bill in half. They
need to give us an idea about how they plan to do it.

He's also been clear about abortion in that he was president when abortions were put under control of the states. Clearly he wants to let the states decide, although he's worried about what that means for late term abortions.

That is an issue that has already been decided. I want to hear more about
some of the plans for what sound like potential pie-in-the-sky promises.

Kamala is making some of those, too. The "$25,000 for first time home
buyers" apparently has some fine print where "first time" means "first generation." So if your parents or grandparents owned a home in the US you won't qualify.

I agree about the past four years. I also am very much aware that she has served up plenty of word salad over those four years. However, some news outlets (FOX News in particular) continue to "point out" more recent alleged salads where, for the most part, she is making sense *despite* the horrible video editing done by whoever it is trying to prove she makes no sense.

I'll take your word for it that Kamala made sense one day, but that was a day like no other. Lies can be coherent, but they can never truly "make sense."

It isn't just one day. Her debate performance was not all word salad,
either. Like I said before, she seemed like a different person there.

Now I don't agree with what she is saying but, just as we might tell a "never-Trumper," just because I don't agree with what is said doesn't make it "word salad" or "crazy talk."

Until Kamala starts telling us why her administration let in more than 20 million migrants without visas, everything she says is technically the definition of "world salad."

No, it really isn't. That was the point I am trying to make. If you are "listening" to her and not listening because you've already decided she
isn't for you, that doesn't make what she is saying "word salad" any more
than when a never-Trumper "listens" to Trump and says he is babbling.

"Word salad" is when someone is speaking incoherently or throwing out a
bunch of unrelated buzz phrases. Coherently saying something you just don't like doesn't not equal "word salad."


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None of his other rallies were down the street from where the Electoral Votes were being counted, either, and I doubt he suggests at any other rallies that the crowd should march down to somewhere else after he is done.

Being chosen by God puts pressure on a guy. :)

That is an issue that has already been decided. I want to hear more
about some of the plans for what sound like potential pie-in-the-sky promises.

I don't think Trump needs many of those, it's just good vs evil and save the country vs trash the country. But Trump has mentioned no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, and no tax on social security.

Kamala is making some of those, too. The "$25,000 for first time home buyers" apparently has some fine print where "first time" means "first generation." So if your parents or grandparents owned a home in the US you won't qualify.

I haven't heard about it but that's very snakey behavior. People who rent awful apartments will walk right into that trap.

I'll take your word for it that Kamala made sense one day, but that was like no other. Lies can be coherent, but they can never truly "make sens

It isn't just one day. Her debate performance was not all word salad, either. Like I said before, she seemed like a different person there.

Ahead of the debate, Kamala was being coached by the attorney for Google (in the USA vs Google case, which is a crime in iteself.) He must have sat down with her and explained things, and advised what she can and can't say, and she did it right. She will need get with that guy every time she speaks in public from now on.

When Trump improperly referenced West Virginia (when he meant to say Virginia) that was an opportunity for Harris to correct him and look smart, but she was too dumb to even do that.

Which part of the debate did she make sense on?

Until Kamala starts telling us why her administration let in more than 2 million migrants without visas, everything she says is technically the definition of "world salad."

No, it really isn't. That was the point I am trying to make. If you are "listening" to her and not listening because you've already decided she isn't for you, that doesn't make what she is saying "word salad" any more than when a never-Trumper "listens" to Trump and says he is babbling.

You're right.

"Word salad" is when someone is speaking incoherently or throwing out a bunch of unrelated buzz phrases. Coherently saying something you just don't like doesn't not equal "word salad."

It's just that the things she talks about, that I heard, are extremely unimportant because I'm fixated on the border issue. Maybe that's how the
leftists felt in 2020; they were fixated on covid-19, and it looked to them like Trump did it and he was refusing to fix it. Unless Trump would say "I fixed covid," the leftists didn't want to hear what he had to say.

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None of his other rallies were down the street from where the Electoral Votes were being counted, either, and I doubt he suggests at any other rallies that the crowd should march down to somewhere else after he is done.

Being chosen by God puts pressure on a guy. :)

I do not believe he, or Kamala, are "chosen by God." Beliefs like that
when it comes to someone in politics will get you in a lot of trouble.

That is an issue that has already been decided. I want to hear more about some of the plans for what sound like potential pie-in-the-sky promises.

I don't think Trump needs many of those, it's just good vs evil and save the country vs trash the country. But Trump has mentioned no tax on tips, no tax o
overtime, and no tax on social security.

You brought up cutting power bills in half. That sounds pretty pie in the
sky that, I am guessing, could become true for some. I don't think he can promise that to everyone and have it work out, though, without a really
good plan.

I am on the fence about taxing OT. I think that should depend on how much money you make overall. I have worked places where people are not making
much and are working their tails off. I have also worked places where
people are making plenty but are intentionally pissing about during their alloted 40 hours so they winding up earning OT (and causing others who don't want it to get some, too). They should be taxed as they are now.

I suspect that all of these things he is suggesting regarding "no tax on"
will not really pan out the way people think, though. The President won't
have any control over what states do, and I am sure most of them will
continue taxing whatever they are taxing now.

Kamala is making some of those, too. The "$25,000 for first time home >MP> buyers" apparently has some fine print where "first time" means "first >MP> generation." So if your parents or grandparents owned a home in the US >MP> you won't qualify.

I haven't heard about it but that's very snakey behavior. People who rent awful
apartments will walk right into that trap.

It will buy some votes I am sure.

When Trump improperly referenced West Virginia (when he meant to say Virginia)
that was an opportunity for Harris to correct him and look smart, but she was too dumb to even do that.

She probably knew what he was saying, regardless of which state, has been debunked and that only die-hard never-gonna-vote-Harris people would
believe it.

Which part of the debate did she make sense on?

Most of it. She wasn't word-salading for the most part. Now, she
completely ignored some questions for sure, but she was coherent.

"Word salad" is when someone is speaking incoherently or throwing out a bunch of unrelated buzz phrases. Coherently saying something you just don't like doesn't not equal "word salad."

It's just that the things she talks about, that I heard, are extremely unimportant because I'm fixated on the border issue. Maybe that's how the leftists felt in 2020; they were fixated on covid-19, and it looked to them like Trump did it and he was refusing to fix it. Unless Trump would say "I fixed covid," the leftists didn't want to hear what he had to say.

Back when the Republicans chose to vote against giving the President the
power to close the border, weren't you one of the ones that said the border "wasn't important"?


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I do not believe he, or Kamala, are "chosen by God." Beliefs like that when it comes to someone in politics will get you in a lot of trouble.

Relying on a candidate being chosen by God would be a mistake, because we've got to do a lot more than just chant slogans.

Praying for Trump's victory is the way to go. I do it every day, sometimes twice a day.

You brought up cutting power bills in half. That sounds pretty pie in
the sky that, I am guessing, could become true for some. I don't think
he can promise that to everyone and have it work out, though, without a really good plan.

Has your bill gone up drastically since Biden became president? I've been watching mine climb, and I just paid a very ridiculous bill of $267 for August, which is more than double what it was last year. I used to only get bills this high in the winter, and only in the coldest months like January and February.

While watching the bill get higher and higher, the whole time I've wondered "Do Democrats allow utility companies to rip us off?" Because it sure seems like it.

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I accidentally saved my message too quickly... there's more to this conversation:

I am on the fence about taxing OT. I think that should depend on how
much money you make overall. I have worked places where people are not making much and are working their tails off. I have also worked places where people are making plenty but are intentionally pissing about
during their alloted 40 hours so they winding up earning OT (and causing others who don't want it to get some, too). They should be taxed as
they are now.

It's kind of a gimmick, but not necessarily a bad one. And definitely not a gimmick that causes division.

I suspect that all of these things he is suggesting regarding "no tax on" will not really pan out the way people think, though. The President
won't have any control over what states do, and I am sure most of them will continue taxing whatever they are taxing now.

He's got to be talking just about Federal income tax. That will be a bigger amount than the state tax anyway (in most states at least.) So having that extra income not subject to Federal income tax sounds like something we could all probably live with.

When Trump improperly referenced West Virginia (when he meant to say Virginia)
that was an opportunity for Harris to correct him and look smart, but sh too dumb to even do that.

She probably knew what he was saying, regardless of which state, has been debunked and that only die-hard never-gonna-vote-Harris people would

Right - she probably knew that he was referring to Virginia, but I think she would have looked (kinda) smart if she corrected him on that. Then she could have went on to correct him for inaccurately describing the abortion law itself, but she failed. She doesn't actually know that facts any better than Trump does.

Stuff like that is why I don't get what anyone means when they say "Kamala did good."

Most of it. She wasn't word-salading for the most part. Now, she completely ignored some questions for sure, but she was coherent.

That's more like it. She evaded questions. ("Is the USA better now than it was 4 years ago?") But how can you call that "coherent?" Because she evaded the questions in a coherent way?

It's just that the things she talks about, that I heard, are extremely unimportant because I'm fixated on the border issue. Maybe that's how th leftists felt in 2020; they were fixated on covid-19, and it looked to t like Trump did it and he was refusing to fix it. Unless Trump would say fixed covid," the leftists didn't want to hear what he had to say.

Back when the Republicans chose to vote against giving the President the power to close the border, weren't you one of the ones that said the border "wasn't important"?

I might have said "closing the border is less important than deporting the 20 million+ illegal immigrants."

Plus, that legislation didn't give the power to the president to close the border; it gave him/her the power to close it ONLY IF: The # of crossings reaches X (a number in the thousands.)

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While watching the bill get higher and higher, the whole time I've wondered "Do Democrats allow utility companies to rip us off?" Because
it sure seems like it.

That reminds of how ignorant some people can be about economics.

Background: the condo that I live in has the fees for the water in the monthly assocition fee.

Our city had a large factory that needed clean water. It made more than it needed and, so, let the city buy the extra water. But that factory is gone and the city had to create its own water treatment facility.

So, one year, the water fee went up a great deal. When the announcement was made (and it was made a few months BEFORE the fee went up), we were told that the city was charging us more and the association was passing on those increases to us. They even included the calculations to show how each unit went up, announcement from the city, etc.

It was amazing how many people were mad at the association because someone else raised the cost of water.


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So, one year, the water fee went up a great deal. When the announcement was made (and it was made a few months BEFORE the fee went up), we were told that the city was charging us more and the association was passing
on those increases to us. They even included the calculations to show
how each unit went up, announcement from the city, etc.

It was amazing how many people were mad at the association because
someone else raised the cost of water.

The president gets more blame than they deserve, probably. However, what causes electric bills to double in price? If it's because of oil prices, then that's the president's fault. If it's because of labor disputes, then that's the president's fault too. We need our president to act like our manager, and our stuff is not being managed well.

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I do not believe he, or Kamala, are "chosen by God." Beliefs like that when it comes to someone in politics will get you in a lot of trouble.

Relying on a candidate being chosen by God would be a mistake, because we've got to do a lot more than just chant slogans.

Agreed.

Praying for Trump's victory is the way to go. I do it every day, sometimes twice a day.

A good thing about this country is that we are free to pray about
whatever we want to whichever God(s) we want.

You brought up cutting power bills in half. That sounds pretty pie in the sky that, I am guessing, could become true for some. I don't think he can promise that to everyone and have it work out, though, without a really good plan.

Has your bill gone up drastically since Biden became president? I've been watching mine climb, and I just paid a very ridiculous bill of $267 for August
which is more than double what it was last year. I used to only get bills this
high in the winter, and only in the coldest months like January and February.

I thought it had, but I was recently shreding some older documents and
realized it has been about 50% higher for longer than I thought. Still
since Biden took office, though.

While watching the bill get higher and higher, the whole time I've wondered "D
Democrats allow utility companies to rip us off?" Because it sure seems like it.

No, but they do other things that make the cost of electricity for the companies higher. Also, some of the big companies (who sell to the smaller ones like we have here) probably are donating to one side or the other.


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I am on the fence about taxing OT. I think that should depend on how much money you make overall. I have worked places where people are not making much and are working their tails off. I have also worked places where people are making plenty but are intentionally pissing about during their alloted 40 hours so they winding up earning OT (and causing others who don't want it to get some, too). They should be taxed as they are now.

It's kind of a gimmick, but not necessarily a bad one. And definitely not a gimmick that causes division.

Like I said, people who are making below a certain amount shouldn't have
their OT taxed. People above that amount maybe should. I don't want to be working OT so they can pay off their lake house or big boat.

I suspect that all of these things he is suggesting regarding "no tax on"
will not really pan out the way people think, though. The President won't have any control over what states do, and I am sure most of them will continue taxing whatever they are taxing now.

He's got to be talking just about Federal income tax. That will be a bigger amount than the state tax anyway (in most states at least.) So having that extra income not subject to Federal income tax sounds like something we could all probably live with.

Agreed. I hope the people he is promising that to realize that, though.
Some will take it litterally, which is what I was getting at.

She probably knew what he was saying, regardless of which state, has been
debunked and that only die-hard never-gonna-vote-Harris people would

Right - she probably knew that he was referring to Virginia, but I think she would have looked (kinda) smart if she corrected him on that. Then she could have went on to correct him for inaccurately describing the abortion law itself, but she failed. She doesn't actually know that facts any better than Trump does.

Well, in that case, I can't remember now but avoiding the correction in
order to stay on topic (which I doubt happened!) would not have been a bad thing.

Stuff like that is why I don't get what anyone means when they say "Kamala did
good."

She did a heck of a lot better than most people thought she would, so she
did "good" compared to what was expected. People who don't like Trump
probably noticed that she did a decent job of triggering him a bit, getting
him to go off topic and on rants... something he didn't do during the Biden debate where, IMHO, he had a much better performance.

She got him off on tangents where he ranted about already-debunked or now-debunked situations at least twice, which played well to her supporters.

The fact that she did better than Biden probably made a lot of her
supporters think she did "good."

Most of it. She wasn't word-salading for the most part. Now, she completely ignored some questions for sure, but she was coherent.

That's more like it. She evaded questions. ("Is the USA better now than it was
4 years ago?") But how can you call that "coherent?" Because she evaded the questions in a coherent way?

She spoke coherently, which was more than I expected from her. Performance wise, I think she did "good" because she exceeded my expectations regarding coherent speech. Content wise, I don't really think she did "good" because
I don't agree with her.

A Kamala/Democrat/left-leaning supporter would disagree with me on the
second point and say she did "good" because they either agree with her, or
just cannot stand Trump.


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The president gets more blame than they deserve, probably. However, what cause
electric bills to double in price? If it's because of oil prices, then that's the president's fault.

It is only the President's fault if his/her policies caused the price to go
up.

If it's because of labor disputes, then that's the
president's fault too.

No in most cases it is not.

We need our president to act like our manager, and our
stuff is not being managed well.

The office of President has certain responsibilities. We don't need a President who oversteps their bounds and starts getting involved in things
that others are responsible for.

What your are suggesting should happen is what big government liberals want.


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Hello Aaron,

I do not believe he, or Kamala, are "chosen by God."

Obama is The Chosen One.

Beliefs like that when it comes to someone in politics MP>will get you in

a lot of trouble.

It worked for Obama. He even won the Nobel Peace Prize.
Before taking office. If that doesn't tell you something,
I do not know what does.

Relying on a candidate being chosen by God would be a mistake, because we've
got to do a lot more than just chant slogans.

Hope and Change. Together. What does it spell? Freedom.

Praying for Trump's victory is the way to go.

Hillary Cllinton beat him by over 3 million votes in 2016.
Joe Biden beat him by over 7 million votes in 2020.
Kamala Harris will clock him by an even greater score in 2024.

I do it every day, sometimes twice a day.

All the prayers in the world will come to naught as the
American people have the last and final say.

For Life,
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While watching the bill get higher and higher, the whole time I've wonde "D
Democrats allow utility companies to rip us off?" Because it sure seems it.

No, but they do other things that make the cost of electricity for the companies higher. Also, some of the big companies (who sell to the smaller ones like we have here) probably are donating to one side or the other.

That was also part of my fear, that the extra money was being used against
me. Apparently my fears aren't as irrational as I thought.

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She got him off on tangents where he ranted about already-debunked or now-debunked situations at least twice, which played well to her supporters.

I don't remember Trump repeating debunked claims, but debunking is a word that means a lot of different things to lots of different people. For example, my friend Alan thinks that debunking means reading typed words on websites. Do you remember when nobody ever used the word "debunk?" It was like 9 years ago.

The fact that she did better than Biden probably made a lot of her supporters think she did "good."

That's probably true. They are told what to believe, and the media has been telling everyone that she did good.

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The president gets more blame than they deserve, probably. However, what cause
electric bills to double in price? If it's because of oil prices, then t the president's fault.

It is only the President's fault if his/her policies caused the price to go up.

What about us needing a president who will be our rock?

If it's because of labor disputes, then that's the
president's fault too.

No in most cases it is not.

He or she needs to be on top of those things instead of taking a beach vacation. They need to solve problems before they become problems - that's effective management.

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I do it every day, sometimes twice a day.

All the prayers in the world will come to naught as the
American people have the last and final say.

Maybe some people need 4 more years of destruction. Maybe the Democrats are doing that good of a job hiding everything from them.

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Has your bill gone up drastically since Biden became president? I've been watching mine climb, and I just paid a very ridiculous bill of $267 for August, which is more than double what it was last year. I used to only get bills this high in the winter, and only in the coldest months like January and February.

While watching the bill get higher and higher, the whole time I've wondered "Do Democrats allow utility companies to rip us off?" Because
it sure seems like it.

I mean, you could live in Ohio, where the Republican controlled government was in cahoots with First Energy. Our bills have more than tripled. We went from $0.042/kWh to $0.149 in less than a year. We're 100% electric here, so a $400 bill has become the average in the hot AND cold months.

Part of this is inflation as well, which is an issue that infuriates me to no end to hear being tossed at the feet of the current administration. Quantitative Easing was Trump's big play in 2019 and 2020.

The result was pumping out something along the lines of a 40% increase of paper money in circulation. That, combined with the already escalating GLOBAL inflation issue, means that Trump and the Fed should be holding the bag on the current inflation issue. That this isn't a major point of discussion is disgusting.

They've just done an incredibly amazing job of passing the buck.

Not really sorry about the pun. :)

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

The president gets more blame than they deserve, probably. However,
what causes electric bills to double in price? If it's because of oil prices, then that's the president's fault. If it's because of labor disputes, then that's the president's fault too. We need our president
to act like our manager, and our stuff is not being managed well.

That's because it's not being managed in our favor - as the President should. It's being managed in favor of the Elitists and their stupid ideas about how economies work.


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While watching the bill get higher and higher, the whole time I've wond
"D
Democrats allow utility companies to rip us off?" Because it sure seems
it.

No, but they do other things that make the cost of electricity for the companies higher. Also, some of the big companies (who sell to the smaller ones like we have here) probably are donating to one side or the other.

That was also part of my fear, that the extra money was being used against me. Apparently my fears aren't as irrational as I thought.

Note that I said "probably" as I have no proof. There is a big gas and electric company on the West Coast that gets in trouble a lot but then
seems to wiggle out of it, and it is a common belief that they are doing so
by above-or-under-the-table donations.

If a company is really smart, they probably "butter both sides of the
bread" and donate to both parties.


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She got him off on tangents where he ranted about already-debunked or now-debunked situations at least twice, which played well to her supporters.

I don't remember Trump repeating debunked claims, but debunking is a word that
means a lot of different things to lots of different people. For example, my friend Alan thinks that debunking means reading typed words on websites. Do yo
remember when nobody ever used the word "debunk?" It was like 9 years ago.

They didn't use that word as often, but it still got used some. IMHO, it
gets used a lot now because so many people get fake news from social media sites.

Trump mentioned that Virginia was pushing for infanticide, which was
already debunked, and repeatedly brought up the Springfield pet-eating
claim, which has since been debunked.

The Virginia claim the GOP likely knows is false but they keep bringing it up because it plays well to their audience. The Springfield claim, which initially appeared to have eye-witnesses, is probably something his team
should have researched better before the debate (assuming they even knew he planned to bring it up!).

The fact that she did better than Biden probably made a lot of her supporters think she did "good."

That's probably true. They are told what to believe, and the media has been telling everyone that she did good.

That is part of it, but I am sure her supporters heard stuff they liked,
too.


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The president gets more blame than they deserve, probably. However, wha
cause
electric bills to double in price? If it's because of oil prices, then the president's fault.

It is only the President's fault if his/her policies caused the price to go up.

What about us needing a president who will be our rock?

But isn't God your rock? Isn't needing a President to be your rock some
form of idolitry?

If it's because of labor disputes, then that's the
president's fault too.

No in most cases it is not.

He or she needs to be on top of those things instead of taking a beach vacation. They need to solve problems before they become problems - that's effective management.

I agree that is not a good look, but we live in a free market economy where
the government should normally keep their noses out of things. We don't
live in a Communist or Nazi dictatorship where the business and union
leaders get replaced, or executed, at the will of the government when those leaders do something our leader doesn't like.


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Part of this is inflation as well, which is an issue that infuriates me to no end to hear being tossed at the feet of the current administration. Quantitative Easing was Trump's big play in 2019 and 2020.

The result was pumping out something along the lines of a 40% increase of pape
money in circulation. That, combined with the already escalating GLOBAL inflation issue, means that Trump and the Fed should be holding the bag on the
current inflation issue. That this isn't a major point of discussion is disgusting.

My understanding is that the current administration did continue printing money, when they could have reversed the policy, so they are not innocent in this.


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That was also part of my fear, that the extra money was being used again me. Apparently my fears aren't as irrational as I thought.

Note that I said "probably" as I have no proof. There is a big gas and electric company on the West Coast that gets in trouble a lot but then seems to wiggle out of it, and it is a common belief that they are doing so by above-or-under-the-table donations.

If a company is really smart, they probably "butter both sides of the bread" and donate to both parties.

Good point. Yes, it sounds like a smart idea.

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Hello Aaron,

I do it every day, sometimes twice a day.

All the prayers in the world will come to naught as the
American people have the last and final say.

Maybe some people need 4 more years of destruction. Maybe the Democrats are
doing that good of a job hiding everything from them.

Are you willing to die for Trump? One person in Butler, Pennsylvania
did. And I am *not* talking about the bonafide nutcase who took out a
piece of Trump's ear.

When Trump went down from the assassin's bullets on July 13, 2024,
he kept asking about his shoes. Why? Because his shoes had suddenly
come off his feet. And he did not know why.

And then one of the Secret Service agents came to his rescue,
reminding him who he was and his reasons as to why he was there.

You see, this was a renewal of Moses being called at the Burning
Bush on Mt. Sinai, in Exodus 3:5. I'll let you and Bj”rn read the
passage so y'all will know what I am talking about. Anyway, this
is when Moses goes down before the Lord, and the Lord says, "Take
off your shoes, for the place you are on is holy ground."

IOW, prophetic voices are saying that God made that place in
Butler PA into holy ground for the purposes of His holy work.

Now who is that poor soul who lost his life on Trump's account?
And who are the kids he left behind? And also his wife who is now
a widow?

For Life,
Lee

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Part of this is inflation as well, which is an issue that infuriates me end to hear being tossed at the feet of the current administration. Quantitative Easing was Trump's big play in 2019 and 2020.

The result was pumping out something along the lines of a 40% increase o pape
money in circulation. That, combined with the already escalating GLOBAL inflation issue, means that Trump and the Fed should be holding the bag the
current inflation issue. That this isn't a major point of discussion is disgusting.

My understanding is that the current administration did continue printing money, when they could have reversed the policy, so they are not
innocent in this.

The current administration's print order was primarily for the bank bailout, which might even be worse from a policy standpoint.

RS

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My understanding is that the current administration did continue printing money, when they could have reversed the policy, so they are not
innocent in this.

The current administration's print order was primarily for the bank bailout, which might even be worse from a policy standpoint.

Agreed. In the long run, printing lots of money (for whatever reason) is
part of the recipe for inflation. Print too much and you can even cause runaway inflation.


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Trump mentioned that Virginia was pushing for infanticide, which was already debunked, and repeatedly brought up the Springfield pet-eating claim, which has since been debunked.

How is it debunked? Didn't they agree that they were not going to
perform lifesaving treatment on abortion survivors, but that they would keep it comfortable until it died? Technically that's not infanticide,
but it's still neglect, abuse, and homicide. And if that's what Trump is talking about, then I agree with him.

No, he was talking about babies who are not born viable there. That *could* include abortion survivors but, as they were not talking about allowing abortions up until birth and with infanticide being illegal, that is not
what was being discussed there.

To put it another way, if it was an abortion attempt, why would they need
to consult with the parent(s) to determine what to do next when they already know the parent(s) want to have the pregnancy terminated?

I asked this before but, if a birth is not viable (i.e. the kid will not
live no matter what you do), I am not sure what people who are supposedly
all about babies get so upset about wanting to keep a dying infant
comfortable.

Trump mentioned that Virginia was pushing for infanticide, which was already debunked, and repeatedly brought up the Springfield pet-eating claim, which has since been debunked.

Debunked how? There were also reports of migrants killing livestock back in 2021 when Biden first ripped the border open. This doesn't mean that all the migrants are doing it, but it could mean that it's happened before.

Springfield authorities, including their mayor and law enforcement, have
stated that there is no evidence of pet-eating in Springfield. I posted a
link here about it where the mayor pointed out other *REAL* problems they
were having with strained resources... schools, police, housing, traffic violations.

The alleged examples used in Internet memes... the cat eater who is
actually a US citizen who doesn't live in Springfield, and the goose killer which also didn't happen in Springfield... have been debunked by local newspapers. I posted such a link to an article from the Canton newspaper
that said straight up the person who killed the cat was a known citizen
with mental issues, and the incident happened in their town, not
Springfield.

Now, the migrants killing livestock on the border has been reported before,
but that is *NOT* the claim that Trump made during the debate. He
repeatedly mentioned Springfield, Ohio, and the Haitians.


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How is it debunked? Didn't they agree that they were not going to perform lifesaving treatment on abortion survivors, but that they would it comfortable until it died? Technically that's not infanticide,
but it's still neglect, abuse, and homicide. And if that's what Trump is talking about, then I agree with him.

No, he was talking about babies who are not born viable there. That

Babies that are not viable are babies that are not expected to survive, so they're not going to provide lifesaving treatment to them. To me, that's homicide. That's not what they were discussing, but I'm glad it was brought

Trump might have stretched the truth by calling it "infanticide" when in reality it's just "homicide."

I asked this before but, if a birth is not viable (i.e. the kid will not live no matter what you do), I am not sure what people who are supposedly all about babies get so upset about wanting to keep a dying infant comfortable.

We want more to be done to help the infant instead of just giving up. When a patient or their family feels that the doctor at one hospital isn't trying hard enough to save their loved one, many people seek a 2nd opinion and/or a transfer to a different hospital. Also, if the abortion method performed was the cause of the live birth of a non viable fetus, then that method of abortion needs to be banned.

The alleged examples used in Internet memes... the cat eater who is actually a US citizen who doesn't live in Springfield, and the goose killer which also didn't happen in Springfield... have been debunked by local newspapers. I posted such a link to an article from the Canton newspaper that said straight up the person who killed the cat was a
known citizen with mental issues, and the incident happened in their
town, not Springfield.

Trump might have chose a bad example to relate to dealing with migrants, but like you said, there are a lot of other migrant-related issues that can be tackled by bringing back Trump's border policies.

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Hello Aaron,

Are you willing to die for Trump? One person in Butler, Pennsylvania
did. And I am *not* talking about the bonafide nutcase who took out a
piece of Trump's ear.

He didn't die for Trump.

Yes, he did. Trump said it himself, calling it "Divine intervention."

He died because of Democrat rhetoric.

The term "Divine Intervention" means somebody had to die for Trump.
Had nobody been stricken dead, Trump would no longer be with us.
So a good man had to die, leaving behind a wife and two daughters,
for you to get your jollies watching an orange clown on stage.

You see, this was a renewal of Moses being called at the Burning
Bush on Mt. Sinai, in Exodus 3:5. I'll let you and Bj”rn read the
passage so y'all will know what I am talking about. Anyway, this
is when Moses goes down before the Lord, and the Lord says, "Take
off your shoes, for the place you are on is holy ground."

I'm glad you agree with me about Trump being chosen by God.

And then God showed him what a fool he was to believe a burning
bush could talk. I'll let you read the rest of the story so as not
to spoil all your fun.

Now who is that poor soul who lost his life on Trump's account?
And who are the kids he left behind? And also his wife who is now
a widow?

If Democrats weren't such a big, big, big failure, then the shooting victim
wouldn't have been at the Trump rally.

Earth calling Aaron. Earth calling Aaron. Trump did not blame
Democrats or Republicans or even Reptilians for what happenened.
He called it "Divine Intervention" - thus making God a killer.

Nobody would care who who's president.

God is a cold-blooded killer, so you gotta believe. Or else.
Is that the Trump mantra?

Good thing his Holy Zapper does not work on me ...

For Life,
Lee

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Babies that are not viable are babies that are not expected to survive, so they're not going to provide lifesaving treatment to them. To me, that's homicide. That's not what they were discussing, but I'm glad it was brought

That is not what he said.

We want more to be done to help the infant instead of just giving up. When a patient or their family feels that the doctor at one hospital isn't trying har
enough to save their loved one, many people seek a 2nd opinion and/or a transfer to a different hospital. Also, if the abortion method performed was the cause of the live birth of a non viable fetus, then that method of abortio
needs to be banned.

Which is why they discuss it with the parents before doing anything.

Do you think taking a dying adult off life support is also murder, because
that is what this is, just with a baby instead of an adult.

I tire of this discussion as it is obvious it is going to either continue down the same path of no matter what evidence is provided, or get resolved only to pop back up the next time Trump or Vance or some other MAGA mouthpiece re-presents it as something that really happened.

The alleged examples used in Internet memes... the cat eater who is actually a US citizen who doesn't live in Springfield, and the goose killer which also didn't happen in Springfield... have been debunked by local newspapers. I posted such a link to an article from the Canton newspaper that said straight up the person who killed the cat was a known citizen with mental issues, and the incident happened in their town, not Springfield.

Trump might have chose a bad example to relate to dealing with migrants, but like you said, there are a lot of other migrant-related issues that can be tackled by bringing back Trump's border policies.

Yes.


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He didn't die for Trump.

Yes, he did. Trump said it himself, calling it "Divine intervention."

It's not Trump's choice to make.

The term "Divine Intervention" means somebody had to die for Trump.
Had nobody been stricken dead, Trump would no longer be with us.
So a good man had to die, leaving behind a wife and two daughters,
for you to get your jollies watching an orange clown on stage.

Is this going to stop you from going to concerts?

Earth calling Aaron. Earth calling Aaron. Trump did not blame
Democrats or Republicans or even Reptilians for what happenened.
He called it "Divine Intervention" - thus making God a killer.

I get what you're saying now. Trump says God saved him, but under that logic, God didn't save the other man. However, that other man is a hero who saved
his family and Trump, and he's also a hero for attending Trump rallies.

God is a cold-blooded killer, so you gotta believe. Or else.
Is that the Trump mantra?

But I don't think you understand that the awaken don't adhere strictly to anyone's guidelines. We love Trump, but we'll disagree with him on certain things.

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Do you think taking a dying adult off life support is also murder,
because that is what this is, just with a baby instead of an adult.

I tire of this discussion as it is obvious it is going to either
continue down the same path of no matter what evidence is provided, or
get resolved only to pop back up the next time Trump or Vance or some other MAGA mouthpiece re-presents it as something that really happened.

Same here, but for different reasons. Everyone might as well just keep their abortion to themselves ;)

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Hello Aaron,

He didn't die for Trump.

Yes, he did. Trump said it himself, calling it "Divine LL>intervention."

It's not Trump's choice to make.

Trump said it. His words, not mine. He asked for it, he got it.

The term "Divine Intervention" means somebody had to die for Trump.
Had nobody been stricken dead, Trump would no longer be with us.
So a good man had to die, leaving behind a wife and two daughters,
for you to get your jollies watching an orange clown on stage.

Is this going to stop you from going to concerts?

Nobody deserves a bullet to the head. But that is what happened
to one poor soul who attended a Trump concert in Butler, PA.

Earth calling Aaron. Earth calling Aaron. Trump did not blame
Democrats or Republicans or even Reptilians for what happenened.
He called it "Divine Intervention" - thus making God a killer.

I get what you're saying now. Trump says God saved him, but under that logic, God didn't save the other man. However, that other man is a hero who
saved
his family and Trump, and he's also a hero for attending Trump rallies.

God killed an innocent person because Trump asked him to.
Is that the kind of God you want to worship? A cold-blooded
murderer? That is almost as bad as worshipping the Devil
himself.

God is a cold-blooded killer, so you gotta believe. Or else.
Is that the Trump mantra?

But I don't think you understand that the awaken don't adhere strictly to anyone's guidelines.

A God that has no guidelines as to what to believe? My, my.
That's a new one. Tell me, please, what exactly does Trump believe
in? A God that let's you do whatever you want? With no concept of
good or wrong?

This Anything_Goes God. Where can I find Him/Her/It? Does such
a God even exist? Please tell ...

We love Trump, but we'll disagree with him on certain things.

Trump is your Anything_Goes God? Oh, my ...

For Life,
Lee

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But I don't think you understand that the awaken don't adhere strictl anyone's guidelines.

A God that has no guidelines as to what to believe? My, my.
That's a new one. Tell me, please, what exactly does Trump believe
in? A God that let's you do whatever you want? With no concept of
good or wrong?

I'm not God, I'm just a fan. And I don't know what Trump's spiritual beliefs are because that's an unhealthy curiosity. You should pay less attention to celebrities because they try to push us away from God and we can't let that happen.

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