• How the US helped Stalin build a strong USSR

    From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Mon Sep 25 07:09:06 2023
    Gregory Deyss -> Bj”rn Felten skrev 2023-09-19 13:23:
    are heading for *WWII* without him.

    Incorrect he was talking about preventing WWIII.

    DUH? He may have been thinking of WWIII, but he said WWII. More proof that his mind is totally corrupt.

    but as long as your stuck on mentioning the World War 2, be sure to appreciate the allied powers for your existence, without them your country would look far different then it does today.

    Can you name a single country on the entire European continent, that was never invaded by the Germans? Without any help, thank you very much.

    If you want a what-if, here's one:

    If FDR had listened to Winston's warning about Stalin, and stopped the Soviet Lend & Lease program, the Soviet era would have been ended circa 1942, rather than 1991.

    The Germans would have been defeated anyway, a simple spreadsheet can show you that. But:

    1) No Cold war.
    2) No Iron Curtain.
    3) No Korea War.
    4) No Mao in China
    5) No Nuclear Arms Race
    6) No Vietnam War.
    7) No fanatical US Commie Scare.
    8) No CIA interventions, whenever a socialist country appeared.
    9) ... 39) or so, much more
    40) No Ukraine war.



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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Thu Sep 28 14:08:28 2023
    Hello Bj”rn,

    are heading for *WWII* without him.

    Incorrect he was talking about preventing WWIII.

    DUH? He may have been thinking of WWIII, but he said WWII. More proof that his mind is totally corrupt.

    A malaprop. Happens all the time. Even to the best of us.
    That is not what I find disconcerting.

    but as long as your stuck on mentioning the World War 2, be GD>our
    country would look far different then it does today.

    Can you name a single country on the entire European continent, that was never invaded by the Germans?

    Not only can I name one, but I can name two.

    Without any help, thank you very much.

    Switzerland is one. Turkey is another. Both remained neutral
    during WWII, and the Germans respected their neutrality.

    If you want a what-if, here's one:

    If FDR had listened to Winston's warning about Stalin, and stopped the Soviet Lend & Lease program, the Soviet era would have been ended
    circa 1942, rather than 1991.

    How presumptious for some to think so. However, there are a few
    things some historians have conveniently left out.

    As you know, Churchill had been warning about Hitler for quite some
    time before folks in England finally started to believe a thing he
    said. And then, after they gave him a fair chance to have his say,
    he told them to prepare for Germans to invade the country. And then,
    Hitler backed off and allowed British soldiers to escape Dunkirk to
    fight another day.

    This is what got Churchill invited to join FDR and Stalin. The
    three of them then met in Ukraine to prepare the final battle to
    end the evil of Hitlerism. Which is still being fought today ...

    The Germans would have been defeated anyway, a simple spreadsheet can show you that. But:

    1) No Cold war.
    2) No Iron Curtain.
    3) No Korea War.
    4) No Mao in China
    5) No Nuclear Arms Race
    6) No Vietnam War.
    7) No fanatical US Commie Scare.
    8) No CIA interventions, whenever a socialist country appeared.
    9) ... 39) or so, much more
    40) No Ukraine war.

    You overlooked one key fact - FDR died in April, 1945. Adolf Hitler
    was still alive, and Germany remained under Nazi control.
    The Empire of Japan was also very much alive, with the Emperor still
    regarded as a god.

    FDR, Stalin, and Churchill had made a pact between themselves how
    to end the war in the Atlantic, and the war in the Pacific.

    When FDR died, would the pact still be honored by Harry Truman?
    That was a question that neither Stalin nor Churchill knew. And could
    Truman be trusted to do his part, if he chose to do as FDR wanted?

    What I am getting at is FDR and Stalin were not just leaders of
    powers that could do Nazi Germany and the Empire of Japan in, but
    those two leaders were also personal friends. And trusted each
    other to do what was needed to get done.

    When FDR left the building, there was no such trust between Stalin
    and Truman. And neither of them trusted Churchill, as he always had
    his head swimming with scotch.

    FDR and Truman had two very different worldviews. One was
    internationalist, the other globalist. While FDR and Stalin
    shared the same vision, Truman did not. Churchill was left
    out, once FDR was out of the picture.

    Just weeks before FDR's untimely death, the three of them had
    met in Crimea (Ukraine) to plot the end of the war in both theaters.
    As well as the beginnings of what was to become the United Nations.

    The Plan was for the Soviet Union to wait until the fall of 1945
    in order to engage the Japanese. This was done to allow allies to
    concentrate their forces to end the war in Europe prior to going
    all-out in the Pacific theater.

    Stalin did his part, waiting until the time was right. When it
    came, in due accordance with the pact he had made with FDR and
    Churchill, Stalin ordered Soviet troops into Japan. And then we
    all know what Truman did. Dropped two atomic bombs on Japanese
    cities, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent Japanese men,
    women and children. Just because he could.

    Please tell me why Truman ordered two cities in Japan to be
    vaporized, as Japan was no longer a threat to anybody? It had
    no military to speak of, and barely an army at all. And also
    for their emperor to renounce his claim of being a god.

    I do not believe Truman's decision to vaporize Japanese people
    had anything to do with stopping Japan as a military power.
    He did hate Japanese. With a passion. And called them a bunch
    of nasty names. Which will not be repeated in this forum.

    So why did Truman atomize Hiroshima and Nagasaki? It was a warning.
    A warning to Stalin. Letting him know what cities he had next on his
    list.

    General Curtis LeMay was Truman's most ardent supporter. He had
    recommended Truman do so, and not stop, as the USA had The Bomb and
    nobody else in the entire world did. And this was right before the
    US Commie Scare went mainstream in the 50s.

    No wonder the Soviet Union developed the H-Bomb.

    The United Nations Charter was adoped in 1948.

    Remember that meeting in Crimea? The three deciding
    amongst themselves which one was to be World President?

    FDR was supposed to have been the first president.
    But his untimely death gummed up the works.
    And Winston Churchill was never sober enough.
    That left only one candidate fit for the job ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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