IB Joe -> Ron L. skrev 2023-07-19 16:13:

Conspiracy Theorists

No. Propagandists.

You got that right mate!!!

Crazy how you can keep this up, after so long time. Do you really not understand how stupid y'all look, when history looks into your actions and reasonings at this time?

IB Joe, Pronouns (FJB/LGB)

John 18:5, about pronouns:

"Jesus saith unto them, I am he."

But who cares about Jesus in the White Supremacist Cult?

Blacks and Women, like e.g. the present VP, are not allowed into their Cult45.



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On 19 Jul 2023, Bj”rn Felten said the following...

You got that right mate!!!

Crazy how you can keep this up, after so long time. Do you really not understand how stupid y'all look, when history looks into your actions
and reasonings at this time?

History is already looking like it's in our favor... Ideas about COVID and the forced vaccines... looks like we were right... Looks like we were right about a lot of things... You talk about how stupid we sound... Well Bu-Jorn... not as stupid as you using the word y'all.\

IB Joe, Pronouns (FJB/LGB)

John 18:5, about pronouns:

"Jesus saith unto them, I am he."

But who cares about Jesus in the White Supremacist Cult?

Blacks and Women, like e.g. the present VP, are not allowed into their Cult45.

This is where you're wrong... Trump had black people in his administration... They were not diversity hires but rather hired based on their merit and qualifications... There are some women on the short list for his VP... Though they are not black I think they had sex with black men... So... they had a little black in them... ergo the might qualify...

People who think that democratic elections are all about picking the
right winner, are in dire need of re-education.

As with Trump, God does not pick a perfect man, but rather a man perfect for the job...

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IB Joe, Pronouns (FJB/LGB)

John 18:5, about pronouns:
"Jesus saith unto them, I am he."

Thou shalt not be condemned to the gates of hell
(or be arrested and charged with a felony)
by using the wrong pronoun either.

But who cares about Jesus in the White Supremacist Cult?
Blacks and Women, like e.g. the present VP, are not allowed into their Cult45.

Proverbs 12:16
When a fool is annoyed, he quickly lets it be known.
Smart people will ignore an insult.

"Judge a man not by the color of his skin, but by the content of his
character"

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On 20 Jul 2023, Gregory Deyss said the following...

"Judge a man not by the color of his skin, but by the content of his character"

I wonder what MLK would think about todays Democratic party

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On 20 Jul 2023, IB Joe said the following...

On 20 Jul 2023, Gregory Deyss said the following...

"Judge a man not by the color of his skin, but by the content of his character"

I wonder what MLK would think about todays Democratic party

He would more then likely say something like the following.
What is being done is the wrong way to achieve the results and the respect that is being sought. A man of peace usually are also very wise.

What is being pushed w/ the indoctrination of children, he would call that the work of the Devil. I have no doubt, because it is.

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On 20 Jul 2023, Gregory Deyss said the following...

"Judge a man not by the color of his skin, but by the content of character"

I wonder what MLK would think about todays Democratic party

He would more then likely say something like the following.
What is being done is the wrong way to achieve the results and the
respect that is being sought. A man of peace usually are also very wise.

What is being pushed w/ the indoctrination of children, he would call
that the work of the Devil. I have no doubt, because it is.

Could explain why MLK's nice, Alveda King is a Republican and a Trump supporter... Look what the dems did to RFK Jr. on the Hill yesterday... They will eat their own if they have to!!!

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Could explain why MLK's nice, Alveda King is a Republican and a Trump

upporte

.. Look what the dems did to RFK Jr. on the Hill yesterday... They will eat

h

r own if they have to!!!

I found the IRS testimony to be much more interesting.


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On 21 Jul 2023, Mike Powell said the following...

I found the IRS testimony to be much more interesting.

More than credible...

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IB Joe wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-

Could explain why MLK's nice, Alveda King is a Republican and a Trump supporter... Look what the dems did to RFK Jr. on the Hill yesterday... They will eat their own if they have to!!!

Like I said before, this isn't a Democrat vs. Republican or a Left vs. Right battle.

This is a battle between the Elitists who want to rule over everyone, and everyone else.


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I found the IRS testimony to be much more interesting.

More than credible...

Indeed. They are both knowledgeable of their jobs, and at least one of
them cannot really be discredited as a disgruntled Republican. They have
stuck to their stories. Unlike Weiss, they've not wavered at all.


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On 22 Jul 2023, Mike Powell said the following...

More than credible...

Indeed. They are both knowledgeable of their jobs, and at least one of them cannot really be discredited as a disgruntled Republican. They have stuck to their stories. Unlike Weiss, they've not wavered at all.

I am off to Costco to get my popcorn... Things are heating up!!! They impeached Trump on a perfect phone call... Could you imagine if they had a fraction of the dirt they have on the Biden Crime Syndicate!!!??

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On 22 Jul 2023, Alan Ianson said the following...

I am off to Costco to get my popcorn... Things are heating up!!! They impeached Trump on a perfect phone call... Could you imagine if they had fraction of the dirt they have on the Biden Crime Syndicate!!!??

I've seen the dirt but do you have any evidence to support the "Biden Crime Syndicate" claim?

No? I didn't think so.

Video, audio recordings. Testimony from FBI, IRS and foreign governments... Bank records... and more is coming...

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On 22 Jul 2023, Ron L. said the following...

This is a battle between the Elitists who want to rule over everyone, and everyone else.

Good VS Evil

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I am off to Costco to get my popcorn... Things are heating up!!! They impeached Trump on a perfect phone call... Could you imagine if they had a fraction of the dirt they have on the Biden Crime Syndicate!!!??

I've seen the dirt but do you have any evidence to support the "Biden Crime Syndicate" claim?

No? I didn't think so.

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Hello Mike,

I found the IRS testimony to be much more interesting.

A political stunt is just that - a political stunt.
Nothing more, nothing less.

But hey. Whatever floats your boat.


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I've seen the dirt but do you have any evidence to support the "Biden Crime

y

icate" claim?

No? I didn't think so.

So you don't believe the dirt is an indication of potential criminal
activity?


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So you don't believe the dirt is an indication of potential criminal activity?

No, it's just dirt. None of it has any basis in fact.

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So you don't believe the dirt is an indication of potential criminal activity?

No, it's just dirt. None of it has any basis in fact.

So you are discounting eyewitness accounts from two people, at least one of whom has little to gain, who could likely lose their jobs?

Interesting.


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No, it's just dirt. None of it has any basis in fact.

So you are discounting eyewitness accounts from two people, at least one of whom has little to gain, who could likely lose their jobs?

Yes, it's just dirt.

Interesting.

No, it's a witch hunt.

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No, it's just dirt. None of it has any basis in fact.

So you are discounting eyewitness accounts from two people, at least one of whom has little to gain, who could likely lose their jobs?

Yes, it's just dirt.

What is your proof that it is just dirt?


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Yes, it's just dirt.

What is your proof that it is just dirt?

I am not trying to prove dirt, you are.

Nope. You are the one saying it is dirt. I provided information. It is
up to you to refute it. I would take the word of two long-time IRS agents
over one British Columbian who has no credentials and cannot prove his
point beyond saying it is "just dirt" any day.


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I am not trying to prove dirt, you are.

Nope. You are the one saying it is dirt. I provided information.

You provided dirt. Good luck with that.

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Mike Powell wrote to ALAN IANSON <=-

Nope. You are the one saying it is dirt. I provided information. It
is up to you to refute it.

But that's the standard Ignorant Elitist stance:

They believe that they are the experts and the ones who have all the facts. Therefore, the burden of proof is **always** on someone else.

But since you are arguing against the Narrative (which is always true, don't ya know), you can never bring enough facts or argument to absolve yourself of that burden of proof.

That's why I don't bother with the Ignorant Elitists anymore.


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I am not trying to prove dirt, you are.

Nope. You are the one saying it is dirt. I provided information.

You provided dirt. Good luck with that.

You are the one calling it dirt. It is up to you to prove it is dirt or
shut up.


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You provided dirt. Good luck with that.

You are the one calling it dirt. It is up to you to prove it is dirt or
shut up.

Dirt is dirt. You know what dirt is?

I'm not trying to prove anything at all and you are not going to prove anything at all with this dirt.

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Dirt is dirt. You know what dirt is?

I'm not trying to prove anything at all and you are not going to prove

nythin

at all with this dirt.

You are the one calling it dirt. It is up to you to prove it is dirt or
shut up.


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You are the one calling it dirt.

That's what it is.

It is up to you to prove it is dirt

There is no evidence of any crime.

or shut up.

You don't have to read or reply.

Why do you bring up Hunter Biden? Is it a distraction from Donald Trump's crimes and charges?

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Dirt is dirt. You know what dirt is?

I'm not trying to prove anything at all and you are not going to prove

nythin

at all with this dirt.

You are the one calling it dirt. It is up to you to prove it is dirt or

I'm as confused as the next guy, but I suspect that when Al hears us say "dirt" he thinks we mean "rubbish."

The word could be getting lost in international translation;

Al: In the USA, "dirt" means: dirty laundry, uncovered corruption, etc.

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There is no evidence of any crime.

Biden being on the take for 50 Million from multiple foreign lands and then intentionally putting this money into hundreds of LLC's and into off shore accounts as well. You think that is normal behavior?

So it's 50 Million now! I understand.

Why do you bring up Hunter Biden? Is it a distraction from Donald Trump's
crimes and charges?

The alleged crimes that Trump has been charged are based on a Kangaroo court.

The charges were brought for the US DOJ. Hardly a kangaroo court.

That doesn't aanswer why you (or someone else) keeps bringing up Hunter Biden.

They exist for several reasons, but legitimacy has never been one of those reasons.

They are completely legitimate. Questions? Ask a lawyer.

1. These charges from the DOJ are premeditated to do several things.
Change the mind of Trump Supporters to grow distance w/ doubt in hopes that this will weaken Trump. We are not blind nor do we forget everything that the Democratic party has done in the past with a effort to damage Trump.

The mind of Trump voters is not a concern.

2. Ever notice when the heat is turned up on Biden, mysteriously it follows another charge within a few days thereafter against Trump.
This is a distraction. It is entirely dishonest as well.

I am surprised by the charges too. I never expected any of the "documents" charges. It never crossed my mind. Trump could have avoided those simply by returning the documents when he was asked to return them.

I don't care much about the Stormy charges either. He could have avoided those charges too.

I have been expecting charges around Jan. 6 and the fake electors and the Georgia phone call. Those (all in fact) charges are well deserved and I hope he will be convicted for those actions.

3. This is a very much a political prosecution, going after the republican front-runner, they want to bog him down in court so that Trump will not be effective on the campaign trail, such a action is being noticed in plain sight and I will tell you right now that this is a miscalculation on their part. Trump support will only grow stronger, specially when the left pulls stunts like these.

The "documents" case, the Georgia cases, and the Jan. 6 has been going on since shortly after the donald left office. He was not a candidate at the time. He was private citizen so it is clearly not political.

If I was a republican I would put someone else on the ticket. I don't know who but I'd get on that.

4. I'm at the point and (I know that I'm not alone.)
"who cares what Trump did" w/ these alleged process crimes.
There is no case in GA, Washington, D.C. New York, or Southern Florida.

I know you don't care. That much has been clear.

Impeachment of Joe Biden is looking more and more imminent.

You'll need a crime of some sort.

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The charges were brought for the US DOJ. Hardly a kangaroo court.

You need to understand the motive behind these men of the DOJ; who they are to have a full understanding of why and what they are doing.
I get it, you could care less, but when they fall, and make no mistake they will fall. You then might then be interested why they fell and more importantly how they could of let you down.

That doesn't aanswer why you (or someone else) keeps bringing up Hunter Biden.

Hunter is a slime ball and all roads do lead to the Big Guy (Joe Biden) or maybe you didn't hear that hunter's sweetheart deal fell apart.

They exist for several reasons, but legitimacy has never been one of thos
reasons.

They are completely legitimate. Questions? Ask a lawyer.

Any such lawyer that operates to protect Hunter Biden, and who goes along corrupt DOJ should be disbarred. It is these same lawyers who want to ban and disbar any lawyer if they get hired by Trump. This is the stuff that goes on within a banana republic, not the United States of America.

The mind of Trump voters is not a concern.

Maybe not to you a Canadian, but none the less I do believe there is an effort to change the minds of voters, as they try to paint a negative view of Trump. We already know what Trump brought as a previous President and it was marvelous and from those years most of us can see what a complete train wreck the Biden Administration has been and we can also see where it is going in a downward spiral.

2. Ever notice when the heat is turned up on Biden, mysteriously it follo AI> > another charge within a few days thereafter against Trump.

This is a distraction. It is entirely dishonest as well.

I am surprised by the charges too. I never expected any of the
"documents" charges. It never crossed my mind. Trump could have avoided those simply by returning the documents when he was asked to return them.

The Presidential Records Acts says he has 5 years to work with this office, it has only been 3 and he was working with this office, then his place gets raided by Garland's DOJ. Trouble is the Presidential Records act was never mentioned as the act that was allegedly violated. The only thing that they could come up with is the a so called violation of the Espionage Act.

The Act also outlawed false statements intended to interfere with military operations; attempts to incite insubordination or obstruct the recruitment of troops; and false statements promoting the success of America's enemies. Those charged with violations were subject to a $10,000 fine and twenty years imprisonment.

Explain to me or attempt to explain how this fits against Trump.

More on this at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espionage_Act_of_1917

I don't care much about the Stormy charges either. He could have avoided those charges too.

Bragg is a complete imbecile his case is pointless, he has yet to explain how the misdemeanor gets boot strapped into a a felony, or what crime was committed to create the felony.
Nonetheless the statue of limitations has expired over a year ago from when we all learned of Alvin Cheeseburger Bragg.

I have been expecting charges around Jan. 6 and the fake electors and the Georgia phone call. Those (all in fact) charges are well deserved and I hope he will be convicted for those actions.

The Defense will have the transcript of what was said, by all parties including Trump. There was nothing wrong with that Georgia phone call.

3. This is a very much a political prosecution, going after the republica
front-runner, they want to bog him down in court so that Trump will not b
effective on the campaign trail, such a action is being noticed in plain sight and I will tell you right now that this is a miscalculation on thei
part. Trump support will only grow stronger, specially when the left pull
stunts like these.

The "documents" case, the Georgia cases, and the Jan. 6 has been going
on since shortly after the donald left office. He was not a candidate at the time. He was private citizen so it is clearly not political.

If Donald Trump wasn't running for election of the Presidency there wouldn't be any charges, they are doing all of this to stop him (or so they think) of Trump becoming the next President) haven't you been paying attention?

There is no case for January 6th either, again there is the matter of the transcript of every word spoken by Trump and I do believe he told people to (paraphrasing) "to remain peaceful", he even inquired about having the national guard at this event, a day or days before the event but the newscast that you watch or the newspapers you read didn't cover this at all, did it?

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On 07-29-23 15:38, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Alan Ianson about Re: IRS Testimony <=-

It is up to you to prove it is dirt

There is no evidence of any crime.

Biden being on the take for 50 Million from multiple
foreign lands and then intentionally putting this money
into hundreds of LLC's and into off shore accounts as well.
You think that is normal behavior?

Really? What foreign lands? What LLC's and off shore accounts? Or are
you just repeating some hyperbole that you heard someone say without
evidence?

The alleged crimes that Trump has been charged are based on a Kangaroo court. They exist for several reasons, but legitimacy has never
been one of those reasons.

It was a jury of people like you and me that made those charges. The
crimes he has been charged with so far are quite serious.

1. These charges from the DOJ are premeditated to do several things. Change the mind of Trump Supporters to grow distance w/

Nope -- they are premeditated to show that no one is above the law.
Others who have done less than what Trump is charged for in Florida are
now serving multiple year sentences in Federal prisons.

2. Ever notice when the heat is turned up on Biden,
mysteriously it follows another charge within a few days
thereafter against Trump.
This is a distraction. It is entirely dishonest as well.

Trying to make such a connection is a distraction.

4. I'm at the point and (I know that I'm not alone.)
"who cares what Trump did" w/ these alleged process crimes.

Then you do not care about people who violate the trust of the American
public.

There is no case in GA, Washington, D.C. New York, or Southern
Florida.

There are cases yet to come.

Impeachment of Joe Biden is looking more and more imminent.

No one has given any reasonable statement as to why.

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The charges were brought for the US DOJ. Hardly a kangaroo court.

You need to understand the motive behind these men of the DOJ; who they are to have a full understanding of why and what they are doing.

I understand The motive behind the charges.

I get it, you could care less, but when they fall, and make no mistake they will fall. You then might then be interested why they fell and more importantly how they could of let you down.

I do care. I believe Donald Trump will fall. Because of his own actions, not someone elses.

That doesn't aanswer why you (or someone else) keeps bringing up Hunter
Biden.

Hunter is a slime ball and all roads do lead to the Big Guy (Joe Biden) or maybe you didn't hear that hunter's sweetheart deal fell apart.

Oh right. I forgot. The "Big Guy".

They are completely legitimate. Questions? Ask a lawyer.

Any such lawyer that operates to protect Hunter Biden, and who goes along corrupt DOJ should be disbarred. It is these same lawyers who want to ban and disbar any lawyer if they get hired by Trump. This is the stuff that goes on within a banana republic, not the United States of America.

I am saying the charges against Trump are legitimate and if you question that then ask a lawyer, not spin up some nonsense to back up an unsupportable position.

The mind of Trump voters is not a concern.

Maybe not to you a Canadian, but none the less I do believe there is an effort to change the minds of voters, as they try to paint a negative view
of Trump. We already know what Trump brought as a previous President and it was marvelous and from those years most of us can see what a complete train wreck the Biden Administration has been and we can also see where it is
going in a downward spiral.

I know you and many others voted for Donald Trump and you wanted him to continue.

The fact that didn't happen doesn't mean there is some kind of downward spiral.

2. Ever notice when the heat is turned up on Biden, mysteriously it follo

another charge within a few days thereafter against Trump.
This is a distraction. It is entirely dishonest as well.

It is completely honest and not a distraction. I knew these investigations were underway (as did Donald Trump) and charges would be laid when/if evidence to support charges was found.

I am surprised by the charges too. I never expected any of the
"documents" charges. It never crossed my mind. Trump could have avoided
those simply by returning the documents when he was asked to return them.

The Presidential Records Acts says he has 5 years to work with this office, it >has only been 3 and he was working with this office, then his place gets raide
by Garland's DOJ. Trouble is the Presidential Records act was never mentioned
as the act that was allegedly violated. The only thing that they could come up
with is the a so called violation of the Espionage Act.

The Act also outlawed false statements intended to interfere with military operations; attempts to incite insubordination or obstruct the recruitment of
troops; and false statements promoting the success of America's enemies. Those
charged with violations were subject to a $10,000 fine and twenty years imprisonment.

Explain to me or attempt to explain how this fits against Trump.

Many have been charged under the espionage act, not all were "spies". Recently.

The charges are not about the presidential records act although Trump would lose such a case also.

The charges are all around national security. Do you care about America and national security?

I don't care much about the Stormy charges either. He could have avoided
those charges too.

Bragg is a complete imbecile his case is pointless, he has yet to explain how
the misdemeanor gets boot strapped into a a felony, or what crime was committe
to create the felony.
Nonetheless the statue of limitations has expired over a year ago from when we
all learned of Alvin Cheeseburger Bragg.

I haven't followed the Stormy case, no idea.

I have been expecting charges around Jan. 6 and the fake electors and the
Georgia phone call. Those (all in fact) charges are well deserved and I
hope he will be convicted for those actions.

The Defense will have the transcript of what was said, by all parties includin
Trump. There was nothing wrong with that Georgia phone call.

That was not the "perfect phone call" as you call it.

"Guys, gimme a break. I need 11,000 votes"

The Georgia indictment is going to be a tough one for Donald Trump.

The "documents" case, the Georgia cases, and the Jan. 6 has been going
on since shortly after the donald left office. He was not a candidate at
the time. He was private citizen so it is clearly not political.

If Donald Trump wasn't running for election of the Presidency there wouldn't be any charges, they are doing all of this to stop him (or so they think) of Trump becoming the next President) haven't you been paying attention?

Uh, yeah, there would be. As I said these investigations were well under way before Donald Trump announced he was running.

There is no case for January 6th either, again there is the matter of the transcript of every word spoken by Trump and I do believe he told people to
(paraphrasing) "to remain peaceful", he even inquired about having the nationa
guard at this event, a day or days before the event but the newscast that you watch or the newspapers you read didn't cover this at all, did it?

Donald Trump did say early on Jan 6 to "peacefully and patriotically march to the capitol". Near the end of his speach he also said "If you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore".

What were all the fake elector about? They were about installing a president not elected by the people.

The Jan. 6 case is also strong. I am not sure how Donald's defence lawyers will defend that although they will have to come up with a defence.

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Hello Alan,

You are the one calling it dirt.

That's what it is.

Took them five years to dig it up.

It is up to you to prove it is dirt

There is no evidence of any crime.

But there is plenty of dirt.
As shown by Hunter Biden's lawyer.
In a letter he wrote to the panel.
You can view it in my post to Mike.

or shut up.

You don't have to read or reply.

And yet it still exists.

Why do you bring up Hunter Biden?

Because that is what the two whisteblowers were blowing about.

Is it a distraction from Donald Trump's crimes and charges?

Five years. Begun during the Trump administration, and finishing
up just in time to make it an issue for the next election.

Of course, do try to realize who those two whistleblowers are -
The "agent" will be a janitor or housekeeping employee who "saw"
and "overheard" certain things. They were not employed as agents,
but technically they were employed to work in a IRS facility.

IOW, this was all a political stunt. Concocted by Republicans
as an attempt to bring down Joe Biden - any which way they can.

I wonder how much they were paid by Republican operatives to
become a "whistleblower"? After all, no self-respecting IRS agent
would be willing to even contemplate stooping that low ...

For Life,
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1. These charges from the DOJ are premeditated to do several things. Change the mind of Trump Supporters to grow distance w/

Nope -- they are premeditated to show that no one is above the law.
Others who have done less than what Trump is charged for in Florida are
now serving multiple year sentences in Federal prisons.

And others who have done similar, and less, to what Hunter was charged for
are also serving multiple year sentences. The difference being that they
were not near as connected as Hunter, and their father's transition team
was not kept in the loop to assist with obstructing IRS investigations.


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Hello Alan,

[..]

Impeachment of Joe Biden is looking more and more imminent.

You'll need a crime of some sort.

What are "crimes and misdemeanors"?
Whatever the House defines as such.

That is what President Gerald Ford told the news media when asked
if the impeachment of Richard Nixon would have been constitutional.

He was right then. And he would be right today.

Of course, the House really did have reason to impeach Richard Nixon.
Which is why he resiged from office in disgrace.

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On 30 Jul 2023, Dale Shipp said the following...

Really? What foreign lands? What LLC's and off shore accounts? Or are you just repeating some hyperbole that you heard someone say without evidence?

GOP Rep. Nancy Mace claims Biden family received over $50M from influence peddling scheme
Source: Fox Business
https://tinyurl.com/4rufejvc

New Evidence Resulting from the Oversight Committee's Investigation into the Biden Family's Influence Peddling and Business Schemes
Source: Congress of the United States, House of Representatives
Committee on Oversight and Accountability
https://tinyurl.com/2r6n5bn9

Chinese elite have paid some $31 million to Hunter and the Bidens
Source: NYPOST.com
https://tinyurl.com/ykn35yf3

This is not The End to this information that will be coming.

The alleged crimes that Trump has been charged are based on a Kangaroo
court. They exist for several reasons, but legitimacy has never been one of those reasons.

It was a jury of people like you and me that made those charges. The crimes he has been charged with so far are quite serious.

First of all there is no Jury, in the majority of cases.
You're being very broad here, and misleading at the same time with the use of the very large brush. Are you doing this to convince yourself and others who think just the way you do. That your right, this is called despotism.

The only one that I know of is the New York Case where there is NO case.
There is no new information on what crime was committed (Bragg never told us) that bootstraps a misdemeanor (of which has expired due to the statue of limitations.) into a felony. Which is why there is NO case, as the saying goes "We all innocent until proven guilty" this includes Donald Trump too.

1. These charges from the DOJ are premeditated to do several things. Change the mind of Trump Supporters to grow distance w/

Nope -- they are premeditated to show that no one is above the law.
Others who have done less than what Trump is charged for in Florida are now serving multiple year sentences in Federal prisons.

Oh stop it with all of that, what your talking about is a process crime at worst, the Presidential Records Act was never mentioned, because it wouldn't fit. So they went The Espionage Act.

The Espionage Act broadly sought to crack down on wartime activities considered dangerous or disloyal, including attempts to acquire defense-related information with the intent to harm the United States, or acquire code and signal books, photographs, blueprints, and other such documents with the intention of passing ...

These are the idiots you seem to be supporting, so tell me if possible.
How does the Espionage Act fit here and what is the twisted logic with its use.

4. I'm at the point and (I know that I'm not alone.)
"who cares what Trump did" w/ these alleged process crimes.

Then you do not care about people who violate the trust of the American public.

Violate the Trust of the American People? Seriously Dale.
Joe Biden and the Biden Family are corrupt, to which point of the damage and just how far is the depth of the Biden corruption. We will all know the answer to these questions as more information is coming.

So which violates the trust of the American people more, not returning Federal documents when a person was President or raking in millions of dollars from China, Russia and Ukraine? If that was not bad enough but there is information from Bank records show hundreds of LLC shell companies, which means that the Biden's tried to conceal this from the American People that you claim to admire and care so much about. Give me a break...

There is no case in GA, Washington, D.C. New York, or Southern

Florida.

There are cases yet to come.

Impeachment of Joe Biden is looking more and more imminent.

No one has given any reasonable statement as to why.

You can play dumb and pretend all you want, but when the $#!t hit's the fan, remember you were the one, who had no clue.

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The fact that didn't happen doesn't mean there is some kind of downward spiral.

Border is a mess, inflation don't even get me started.
Does Biden's and the Democrats do they hate America, because it looks like it from where I sit.
What is the Biden doing about the division, because he did say that he would unite us, his policies are very Un-American.
Just look at his cabinet it will tell you all you need to know.
It speaks all for it self and it's not whatsoever in the positive.

The charges are all around national security. Do you care about America and national security?

I think I just addressed that.
Let's clarify on the slim chance that I was unclear.
Trump allegedly having Federal documents does not harm national security one bit, and that's the truth.
The DOJ is doing all these things and applauding the actions of like minded individuals because they are terrified that they will lose power, these so called charges are nothing more then a end to what the Democrats hold most dear
Power.

Trump. There was nothing wrong with that Georgia phone call.

That was not the "perfect phone call" as you call it.

"Guys, gimme a break. I need 11,000 votes"

That is not all illegal. Is it? Nope...

Donald Trump did say early on Jan 6 to "peacefully and patriotically
march to the capitol". Near the end of his speach he also said "If you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore".

You're taking out of context more then just a little bit.

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The fact that didn't happen doesn't mean there is some kind of downward
spiral.

Border is a mess,

What do you want to do about the border?

inflation don't even get me started.

I won't. Inflation is not a big issue at the moment.

Does Biden's and the Democrats do they hate America, because it looks like it from where I sit.

Biden is doing very well for America.

What is the Biden doing about the division, because he did say that he would unite us, his policies are very Un-American.

Biden policies are working for all Americans.

Just look at his cabinet it will tell you all you need to know.
It speaks all for it self and it's not whatsoever in the positive.

What is the issue with Biden's cabinet?

The charges are all around national security. Do you care about America
and national security?

I think I just addressed that.
Let's clarify on the slim chance that I was unclear.
Trump allegedly having Federal documents does not harm national security one bit, and that's the truth.

I hope that is true but I am not convinced.

The DOJ is doing all these things and applauding the actions of like minded individuals because they are terrified that they will lose power, these so called charges are nothing more then a end to what the Democrats hold most dear Power.

The DOJ is not appluding anything.

Trump. There was nothing wrong with that Georgia phone call.

That was not the "perfect phone call" as you call it.

"Guys, gimme a break. I need 11,000 votes"

That is not all illegal. Is it? Nope...

It is telling.

Donald Trump did say early on Jan 6 to "peacefully and patriotically
march to the capitol". Near the end of his speach he also said "If you
don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore".

You're taking out of context more then just a little bit.

Nope, I heard Donald speak those words live on TV.

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On 07-30-23 13:04, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: IRS Testimony <=-

Really? What foreign lands? What LLC's and off shore accounts? Or are you just repeating some hyperbole that you heard someone say without evidence?

GOP Rep. Nancy Mace claims Biden family received over $50M
from influence peddling scheme
Source: Fox Business
https://tinyurl.com/4rufejvc

Rep. Mace and Fox are far from being objective or believable.

New Evidence Resulting from the Oversight Committee's
Investigation into the Biden Family's Influence Peddling
and Business Schemes
Source: Congress of the United States, House of Representatives
Committee on Oversight and Accountability
https://tinyurl.com/2r6n5bn9

I'll try to read this one.

Chinese elite have paid some $31 million to Hunter and the Bidens
Source: NYPOST.com
https://tinyurl.com/ykn35yf3

NYPOST is almost the same as Fox News in terms of its objectivity and believeability.

It was a jury of people like you and me that made those charges. The crimes he has been charged with so far are quite serious.

First of all there is no Jury, in the majority of cases.

You are wrong. Each of the indictments has come from a grand jury who
voted to indict.

"We all innocent until proven guilty" this includes Donald
Trump too.

That is true. He will get his day in court(s). The Florida charges are
quite specific and hard for him to get out of. I'm not so sure about
the charges in the NY State court.

Nope -- they are premeditated to show that no one is above the law.
Others who have done less than what Trump is charged for in Florida are now serving multiple year sentences in Federal prisons.

Oh stop it with all of that, what your talking about is a
process crime at worst, the Presidential Records Act was
never mentioned, because it wouldn't fit. So they went The
Espionage Act.

Being charged with having classifying documents and refusing to return
them is *not* a process crime. Neither is showing classified documents
to people who have no need to know and no clearance.

The Espionage Act broadly sought to crack down on wartime activities considered dangerous or disloyal, including attempts to
acquire defense-related information with the intent to harm
the United States, or acquire code and signal books,
photographs, blueprints, and other such documents with the
intention of passing ...

Those things would probably fall under the Espionage act, but it is not
limited to that. There are people who simply stockpiled classified
documents with no intent to disperse them to anyone else. They got
serious charges. They did *less* than what Trump has been accused of
doing.

These are the idiots you seem to be supporting, so tell me if
possible. How does the Espionage Act fit here and what is the twisted logic with its use.

You are not reading the entire act. What you describe is part of the
act, but there is more that does not involve transmitting to a foreign government.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793

18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information

(d)Whoever, lawfully having possession of, access to, control over, or
being entrusted with any document, writing, code book, signal book,
sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or
information relating to the national defense which information the
possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the
United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated,
delivered, or transmitted or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit
or cause to be communicated, delivered or transmitted the same to any
person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and
fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United
States entitled to receive it; or

(e)Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over
any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph,
photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument,
appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information
relating to the national defense which information the possessor has
reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to
the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or
attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive
it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer
or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or

(f)Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control
of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument,
appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1)
through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper
place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to
be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that
the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen,
abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss,
theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer— Shall be
fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

It is the sections above which will apply in Trump's case.

4. I'm at the point and (I know that I'm not alone.)
"who cares what Trump did" w/ these alleged process crimes.

Then you do not care about people who violate the trust of the American public.

Violate the Trust of the American People? Seriously Dale.

Very serious.

Joe Biden and the Biden Family are corrupt, to which point
of the damage and just how far is the depth of the Biden
corruption. We will all know the answer to these questions
as more information is coming.

Not based on any reliable information that has come out as of yet.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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Does Biden's and the Democrats do they hate America, because it looks
like it from where I sit.

Of course they hate America.

People like Biden are worthless. They can't invent anything. They can't build a new business. If it wasn't for their corruption, they'd be flipping burgers and getting yelled at by their manager all the time for being slow and neglecting their job.

But in their minds, they are important and necessary people.

They only way they can "succeed" is by illegal means.

But they are also stupid. They don't understand that they are "killing the cow that gives the milk". They just use what others create until it's used up and then move on to something else.

Maybe we should start calling them Social Paracites.


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Those things would probably fall under the Espionage act, but it is not limited to that. There are people who simply stockpiled classified
documents with no intent to disperse them to anyone else. They got
serious charges. They did *less* than what Trump has been accused of
doing.

I have heard people claim that the recent case of the Pentagon employee who
got caught with documents is one where the perp "did less" but that is not actually true. His charges include trying to shop them around on the
Internet, which is not "less."

Recent cases where folks "did less" by stockpiling classified documents in insecure locations (like their garages, law offices, etc.) and who were at
the time not covered by any Presidential authority have had no charges filed.

If Trump really did something, beyond careless storage, and that can be proven beyond doubt, then he should get in trouble. If it turns out to be a case
of carelessness and a misunderstanding regarding their return, thanks to
very recent precident, I don't see a case here either.

You are not reading the entire act. What you describe is part of the
act, but there is more that does not involve transmitting to a foreign government.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793

There is some irony here... it was the Espionage Act that Eugene Debs was accused of violating in 1918 (for an anti-war speach) that landed him in
jail for his 1920 Presidential run.

Since we've just been discussing him, I thought I would bring that up. ;)


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On 31 Jul 2023, Dale Shipp said the following...

On 07-30-23 13:04, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: IRS Testimony <=-

Really? What foreign lands? What LLC's and off shore accounts? Or a
you just repeating some hyperbole that you heard someone say without evidence?

GOP Rep. Nancy Mace claims Biden family received over $50M
from influence peddling scheme
Source: Fox Business
https://tinyurl.com/4rufejvc

Rep. Mace and Fox are far from being objective or believable.

I wanted to reply to your message when I saw noticed it this morning, but there was no time to respond to this message with the type of response that it
deserved and being as long as it is, there was no time.

New Evidence Resulting from the Oversight Committee's
Investigation into the Biden Family's Influence Peddling
and Business Schemes
Source: Congress of the United States, House of Representatives Committee on Oversight and Accountability https://tinyurl.com/2r6n5bn9

I'll try to read this one.

Great because I am almost certain that the folks at CNN or MSNBC will cover it.

Chinese elite have paid some $31 million to Hunter and the Bidens Source: NYPOST.com
https://tinyurl.com/ykn35yf3

NYPOST is almost the same as Fox News in terms of its objectivity and believeability.

So the NYPOST is going to put themselves out there in legal jeopardy to be sued, and all the while trying to exist in what is a tough to survive Joe Biden economy, this is unlikely to be the case.

As far as Fox News is concerned something died on Election night of 2020. It wouldn't be the first time this has been said.
Why did they make this bargain for what was their Soul?
Maybe they did this so that the execs and the suits would be invited as well as socially accepted at cocktail parties.

It was a jury of people like you and me that made those charges. The crimes he has been charged with so far are quite serious.

First of all there is no Jury, in the majority of cases.

You are wrong. Each of the indictments has come from a grand jury who DS> voted to indict.

Grand Jury made up from seething Democrats.
(details matter)

"We all innocent until proven guilty" this includes Donald
Trump too.

That is true. He will get his day in court(s). The Florida charges are quite specific and hard for him to get out of. I'm not so sure about
the charges in the NY State court.

The Florida case is not impossible nor would it be hard to overcome.
It is going to be in South Florida, all there needs to be one person to look at everything that has been attempted to harm Donald Trump, one person with common sense to be objective and say Yeah No this has gone far enough, and it's over for the Trump haters of the world.

Others who have done less than what Trump is charged for in Florida ar DS> DS> now DS> GD> Oh stop it with all of that, what your talking about is a

process crime at worst, the Presidential Records Act was
never mentioned, because it wouldn't fit. So they went The
Espionage Act.

Being charged with having classifying documents and refusing to return
them is *not* a process crime. Neither is showing classified documents
to people who have no need to know and no clearance.

It also has NOTHING to do with the Espionage Act.

The Espionage Act broadly sought to crack down on wartime activities considered dangerous or disloyal, including attempts to
acquire defense-related information with the intent to harm
the United States, or acquire code and signal books,
photographs, blueprints, and other such documents with the
intention of passing ...

Based on the text of what is listed above, it doesn't fit. Whatsoever.

Those things would probably fall under the Espionage act, but it is not limited to that. There are people who simply stockpiled classified documents with no intent to disperse them to anyone else. They got serious charges. They did *less* than what Trump has been accused of doing.

We who are on the Right want much more than just "probably"
We are not going to go with mere speculation and neither will Trumps legal team. To try to fit a round peg into what is clearly a square hole is not Justice at all, is it?

Conservatives can clearly see, what is really is going on here.

These are the idiots you seem to be supporting, so tell me if possible. How does the Espionage Act fit here and what is the twisted
logic with its use.

You are not reading the entire act. What you describe is part of the
act, but there is more that does not involve transmitting to a foreign government.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793

18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense
information

(d)Whoever, lawfully having possession of, access to, control over, or being entrusted with any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the
United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated,
delivered, or transmitted or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit
or cause to be communicated, delivered or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and
fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or

(e)Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument,
appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or

(f)Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control
of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument,
appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer— Shall be
fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

It is the sections above which will apply in Trump's case.

There hasn't been any (injury) to the U.S.
or any such attempt to do so.
There hasn't been any (transmission with a foreign nation to take advantage) or any such attempt to do so.
There hasn't been any violation because Trump was the President.
As I said above, simply does not fit.

Trump was the man who was behind Make America Great Again, and America First then this crap from the DOJ you see. It (the DOJ part) has a problem flowing off the tongue. That generates a look of "Get the fu*k outta here."

(The DOJ is not interested in Justice, they do want to desperately stop Trump from becoming the 47th President. (this so called legal crap is the vehicle) and they are still quite pissed that he was the 45th President and they are furious that he was acquitted x2 after being impeached x2 times.
Make no mistake about that either.

There IS however a duel application of the law, because if they are going
to after Trump then they should go after Biden as well, he had documents strewed and scattered all over the place, at multiple locations no one raided his home or any of the locations where these documents were at, did they?

They should also go after Hillary Clinton for deleting 30,000 emails that were under subpoena and were the property of the U.S. Government and they were on a an unprotected sever in a broom closet of a mom & pop establishment as I recall.
This crazy lunatic destroyed; smashing blackberries with hammers and
treating Hard drives with bleach-bit.

Trump could of sought a special counsel to look into Hillary, but he didn't Maybe when he is President again he will.

Joe Biden and the Biden Family are corrupt, to which point
of the damage and just how far is the depth of the Biden
corruption. We will all know the answer to these questions
as more information is coming.

Not based on any reliable information that has come out as of yet.

It already has it was learned today that Joe Biden was on the speaker phone at least 20 times with Hunter among his business associates at his foreign business dealings, in order to maintain "The Brand" was Joe Biden, because without Joe Biden there was no brand and no influence.

Funny how Joe Biden is on record saying he knew nothing of Hunters foreign dealings and now they changed it up to say that he (Joe Biden) was not in business with Hunters foreign business dealings.
Maybe they didn't think we would notice. We Noticed.

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