• Re: Trump impeachment

    From Steve Wolf@1:227/702 to Dale Shipp on Thu Jun 29 08:30:52 2023
    After watching the riots with glee for three+ hours.

    It was pretty cool wasn't it. ??

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Dale Shipp on Thu Jun 29 08:57:12 2023
    On 29 Jun 2023, Dale Shipp said the following...


    You are totally wrong about what that first impeachment was all about.
    It had nothing to do with Russia. It had to do with Trump blackmailing the Ukraine President to force him to produce dirt on Biden, or else
    Trump would not release the military aid that congress had approved.


    He released the aide in time, as per the legislators agreement. Trump had a few questions before it was released.... AND MAN-O-MAN how is that turning out. Looks like the Biden crime family is embroiled in a corruption scheme withe the same leader. Is the Big Guy getting 10% of all the current "aide"?


    It was well known that there would never be 67 votes in the Senate now that most Senators are voting on strict party lines instead of voting their conscience. Even so, there were a moderate number of Republican Senators who did vote for impeachment.


    Impeachment is important process. DON'T FUCK WITH IT!!! Impeachment is a process used to remove someone from office so that they may face allegations as described in the constitution.

    Trump was out of office on January 6th and could face whatever charges that were alleged. There was no need to impeach... BUT WAIT... there might have been. The democrats didn't want to face him again in 2024 so they went ahead with the impeachment... even though it was unconstitutional.

    The GOP want to expunge his second impeachment based on this fact. Trump doesn't care ab out the impeachments. He wears them like a badge of honor... Every rally he has... every email I get for campaign contributions he states that the government is after me.... but he's in the way...

    The only problem I have/had with the shame impeachments is that the bar was lowered to cover political issues now.

    The house voted to impeach Joe Biden over the way he's running the open boarder, plus a few other things. I was not thrilled that Lauren Bobert started the vote... I think it should be a higher threshold... BUT it looks like Kevin McCarthy is gathering evidence on the bribery side of things... Looking into things he did when he was VP, dovetailing all that with the current DOJ corruption....

    Now that is a high crime and misdemeanor... get your popcorn


    I have seen no evidence of plants by FBI or CIA. Have you?


    There is lots of evidence .... You're too busy closing your eyes, plugging
    your ears and going LA LA LA LA LA. Congress has setup a comity to look into the weaponization of government agencies... FBI is front and center.


    A. what is WhatsApp? B. what was in that message?


    https://web.whatsapp.com/

    What's app is a way to talk person-to-person directly through encryption... Microsoft owns said company.

    Part of Message #1 https://twitter.com/RepTenney/status/1672271623200837632/photo/1

    They are trying to put together physical evidence of where Joe was during
    that call...

    Message #2
    https://twitter.com/TomFitton/status/1674154541690830850/photo/1

    Same shit different day

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DALE SHIPP on Thu Jun 29 15:39:00 2023
    of an impeachable offense.... BUT... the day I was hearing
    this the WhatsApp message came out.... and he said.... if
    this is provable... what was stated in the message... THATS
    impeachable.

    A. what is WhatsApp? B. what was in that message?

    A phone application that some people use to send texts because it is
    supposedly more secure than sending the same text via the default texting application that comes with the phone.


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to IB Joe on Thu Jun 29 15:01:08 2023
    He released the aide in time, as per the legislators agreement. Trump had a few questions before it was released.... AND MAN-O-MAN how is that turning out.

    Questions? No, Donald Trump wanted dirt on Biden.

    Looks like the Biden crime family is embroiled in a corruption scheme
    with the the same leader. Is the Big Guy getting 10% of all the current "aide"?

    It's more dirt on Biden, without evidence.

    Impeachment is important process. DON'T FUCK WITH IT!!! Impeachment is a process used to remove someone from office so that they may face allegations a described in the constitution.

    It is important and the republican party should have taken it seriously.

    The GOP want to expunge his second impeachment based on this fact. Trump doesn't care ab out the impeachments. He wears them like a badge of honor... Every rally he has... every email I get for campaign contributions he states that the government is after me.... but he's in the way...

    There is no such thing as expunging an impeachment, not in reality.

    The only problem I have/had with the shame impeachments is that the bar was lowered to cover political issues now.

    There is lots of evidence .... You're too busy closing your eyes, plugging your ears and going LA LA LA LA LA. Congress has setup a comity to look into the weaponization of government agencies... FBI is front and center.

    This is congress weaponizing government.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Alan Ianson on Fri Jun 30 10:16:14 2023
    On 29 Jun 2023, Alan Ianson said the following...


    Questions? No, Donald Trump wanted dirt on Biden.


    There seems to be a lot of dirt on the Biden crime family. Could you imagine if Don Jr. was a crackhead and left a laptop full of the same garbage Hunter's laptop had?? Could you also imagine if Ivanka left a diary at a rehab clinic talking about how her father use to shower with her, inappropriately I might add, and how that contributed to her over sexualized youth. Could you imagine if Trump setup shell companies to receive 10's of millions of dollars from American adversaries, distribute that amongst his family member, including grandchildren.... If this was the case he'd be in jail right now... as he should be...

    The US justice system is corrupt...


    It's more dirt on Biden, without evidence.


    There is evidence, every time someone says/shows you evidence you start with the closing of your eyes... plugging your ears and doing the LA LA LA thing.

    If what they say is NOT true why not release all the documents and go to a court so the American people can see the evidence.

    The committees looking into this said TODAY.... they are --><-- this close in determining if AG Garland had lied, recall last week 6 subpoenas were sent out. 1 of those 6 are lying...They say things don't look good for the AG.

    BTW, I don't think he'll be impeached but rather he'll step down or someone in the Deep State will get Biden to fire him.


    It is important and the republican party should have taken it seriously.


    It was the Democrats who have misused the Impeachment process... Though an impeachment was voted on... notice how they are not rushing things... they are making sure there is the evidence to support their claims.


    There is no such thing as expunging an impeachment, not in reality.


    Let them vote on it... and see what the courts say... Trump doesn't seem to mind and public sees it for what it is... political.


    This is congress weaponizing government.


    You should read the constitution.... I'll help you... Article I, Section 8, Clause 18

    Here's an article from the Constitutional Accountability Center talking about this issuer... Congressional Oversight Is Not Presidential Harassment

    https://www.theusconstitution.org/blog/congressional-oversight-is-not-president ial-harassment/

    It is what congress has been doing since the constitution gave them that right.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to IB Joe on Fri Jun 30 18:45:32 2023
    Questions? No, Donald Trump wanted dirt on Biden.

    There seems to be a lot of dirt on the Biden crime family.

    I know you can imagine that.

    Could you imagine if Don Jr. was a crackhead and left a laptop full of the same garbage Hunter's laptop had??

    We don't need Jr's laptop to know what a dirtbag he is.

    Could you also imagine if Ivanka left a diary at a rehab clinic
    talking about how her father use to shower with her, inappropriately I might add, and how that contributed to her over sexualized youth.

    You are going to give Ivanka a bad name.

    Could you imagine if Trump setup shell companies to receive 10's of millions of dollars from American adversaries, distribute that amongst his family member, including grandchildren.... If this was the case he'd be in jail right now... as he should be...

    I don't have to imagine that Joe, have you not been paying attention?

    The US justice system is corrupt...

    That's a little silly, Joe.

    It's more dirt on Biden, without evidence.

    There is evidence, every time someone says/shows you evidence you start with the closing of your eyes... plugging your ears and doing the LA LA LA thing.

    I don't pay attention to all the talk. I follow the facts. My eyes are open.

    If what they say is NOT true why not release all the documents and go to a court so the American people can see the evidence.

    There are no documents to release.

    The committees looking into this said TODAY.... they are --><-- this close in determining if AG Garland had lied, recall last week 6 subpoenas were sent out 1 of those 6 are lying...They say things don't look good for the AG.

    The MAGA GOP comittee's are full of liars. It's corrupt. It's weaponization of government.

    BTW, I don't think he'll be impeached but rather he'll step down or someone in the Deep State will get Biden to fire him.

    Neither of those things is going to happen.

    It is important and the republican party should have taken it seriously.

    It was the Democrats who have misused the Impeachment process... Though an impeachment was voted on... notice how they are not rushing things... they are making sure there is the evidence to support their claims.

    The democrats impeached Trump for good reason. The republican didn't even hold a hearing.

    Law & Order is not a thing with the republica party.

    There is no such thing as expunging an impeachment, not in reality.

    Let them vote on it... and see what the courts say... Trump doesn't seem to mind and public sees it for what it is... political.

    It just more talk.

    This is congress weaponizing government.

    You should read the constitution.... I'll help you... Article I, Section 8, Clause 18

    I realize that. Nevertheless, this is congress weaponizing government.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Steve Wolf on Fri Jun 30 01:37:02 2023
    On 06-29-23 08:30, Steve Wolf <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Trump impeachment <=-


    After watching the riots with glee for three+ hours.

    It was pretty cool wasn't it. ??

    Cool is not a word I would have used. Horrifying is closer.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Ib Joe on Fri Jun 30 01:41:04 2023
    On 06-29-23 08:57, Ib Joe <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Trump impeachment <=-

    Trump was out of office on January 6th and could face
    whatever charges that were alleged. There was no need to
    impeach... BUT WAIT... there might have been. The
    democrats didn't want to face him again in 2024 so they
    went ahead with the impeachment... even though it was
    unconstitutional.

    Trump was not yet out of office until January 20th. They came closer to getting a positive vote than on the first impeachment -- which would
    have barred him from holding any federal office in the future.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to IB Joe on Sat Jul 1 18:02:06 2023
    Hello Joe,

    [..]

    Impeachment is important process. DON'T FUCK WITH IT!!!

    Speaker McCarthy wants to ignore it. Expunge all of Trump's
    impeachments. As if they never happened.

    But leave Bill Clinton's impeachment in place.

    And allow for the House to impeach Joe Biden.

    What a dick. Has no control of his own party.

    Impeachment is a process used to remove someone from office so that they may
    face allegations as described in the constitution.

    Impeachment is merely the filing of charges against a sitting
    president by the House. Trial is held by the Senate, not the House.

    Trump was out of office on January 6th and could face whatever charges that
    were alleged.

    I hate to bust your bubble but Trump remained in office until
    noon on January 20th. When Joe Biden was sworn into office by
    Chief Justice John Roberts, Donald Trump was returned to his
    previous status of private citizen.

    There was no need to impeach...

    He could have, and should have, done like Nixon, resigning in disgrace.
    But no. He chose to be impeached. For a second time. With his own party
    failing to put on any kind of defense during the trial in the Senate.

    Nixon was the better man.

    [..]

    The GOP want to expunge his second impeachment based on this fact.

    Speaker McCarthy claimed he wants to expunge both Trump impeachments,
    which is his own opinion that may or may not be shared with others.
    This would be an absurditidy in and of itself, as well as a first in
    the history of Congress. But no matter. Impeachments are forever, and
    can never be erased from history books.

    Trump doesn't care ab out the impeachments. He wears them like a badge of honor...

    Then why does Speaker McCarthy want to expunge both of Trump's
    impeachments? If Trump did not care, neither would Speaker McCarthy.

    Every rally he has... every email I get for campaign contributions he states
    that the government is after me.... but he's in the way...

    Once upon a time, Trump himself claimed he would fund his own
    campaign. Whatever happened to that campaign promise? Oh, that
    was just another of his many lies, so many that not even those
    leftist newspapers could keep up with ...

    The only problem I have/had with the shame impeachments is that the bar was
    lowered to cover political issues now.

    Trump was impeached, twice, for real crimes. Republicans in the
    House want to impeach our current president for keeping his oath
    of office.

    The house voted to impeach Joe Biden over the way he's running the open boarder, plus a few other things.

    Put Up or Shut Up -

    Please show me the articles of impeachment passed by the House.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Dale Shipp on Sat Jul 1 11:35:18 2023
    On 30 Jun 2023, Dale Shipp said the following...


    Trump was not yet out of office until January 20th. They came closer to getting a positive vote than on the first impeachment -- which would
    have barred him from holding any federal office in the future.


    This is true... Close only counts in Hand-grenades and not impeachments. The magic number is 67, not 66 or lower.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to IB Joe on Sun Jul 2 10:21:08 2023
    Hello Joe,

    Trump was not yet out of office until January 20th. They came closer
    to
    getting a positive vote than on the first impeachment -- which would
    have barred him from holding any federal office in the future.


    This is true... Close only counts in Hand-grenades and not impeachments. The magic number is 67, not 66 or lower.

    Two thirds of those presesnt, moron.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Lee Lofaso on Sun Jul 2 09:20:14 2023
    On 02 Jul 2023, Lee Lofaso said the following...


    This is true... Close only counts in Hand-grenades and not impeachmen The magic number is 67, not 66 or lower.

    Two thirds of those presesnt, moron.


    https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/

    Here's a link to the constitution....

    Here's the part you need to read... from that link...

    "The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present."

    Impeachment is sooooo important that everyone needs to be doing their job...

    Basic US Civics...

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