Sveiks Martin!

04 Jul 20 09:43, you wrote to me:

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EMP: /FIDO/FIDOTEST
ABS: August Abolins@2:221/1.58
BET: cp437
ROT: 2:310/31!221/1 280/464 310/31
MID: 2:221/1.58@fidonet e60cd0fc
EDA: 20200703014600W-4
LEN: 1115
MAILER: OpenXP/5.0.45 (Win32) / OpenXP 5.0.45
X_C:
X-XP-NTP: 30
F-TO: Sean Dennis
X-XP-Charset: IBM437

^^^^^^
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^^^
This is orignally a tick or a checkmark/squareroot symbol. It changes to a superscripted "1" when the kludge changes. :(

I am guessing that this Velenos session will send this repkl msg with CP850. That's what your original arriving here had.


--- GoldED+/W32-MINGW 1.1.5-b20180707
* Origin: ----> Point Of VeleNo BBs (http://www.velenobbs.net) (2:333/808.7)

Hello August!

*** Saturday 04.07.20 at 08:39, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

@MSGID: 2:221/1.58@fidonet e60cd0fc
@PID: OpenXP/5.0.45 (Win32)
@CHRS: CP437 2

^^^^^^^

@TZUTC: -0400
Hello Sean!

This message should have the former if I include some graphic lines:

Indeed it does when viewed with GoldED+ but when viewed with OpenXP, the
CHRS kludge is IBM437:

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EMP: /FIDO/FIDOTEST
ABS: August Abolins@2:221/1.58
BET: cp437
ROT: 2:310/31!221/1 280/464 310/31
MID: 2:221/1.58@fidonet e60cd0fc
EDA: 20200703014600W-4
LEN: 1115
MAILER: OpenXP/5.0.45 (Win32) / OpenXP 5.0.45
X_C:
X-XP-NTP: 30
F-TO: Sean Dennis
X-XP-Charset: IBM437

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And this is happening with the SAME message on YOUR system?

Yes.

Then it is CHANGING enroute to you?!! That is very inelegant. :(

Or.. Is this happening with the Linux version, locally?

See below .....

[snip]

Ummmmmmm, not quite sure what's going on here, it's just as though
OpenXP has changed CP437 2 back to IBM437, IYSWIM ???????

Yep, that's exactly what's happened because where *incoming* Fido messages are concerened, I've finally realised that OpenXP uses its own prorietary kludges. Couple of examples .....

--------- --------
| FTS-5003 | OpenXP |
--------- --------
CHRS --> X-XP-Charset
TZUTC --> EDA

If you think it's OpenXP doing it, is it happening in both Linus and Win versions?

I'm assuming so but I don't know for sure as I'm no longer using the Linux version on a daily basis.

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.45
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello August!

*** Saturday 04.07.20 at 19:28, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

[snip]

I am guessing that this Velenos session will send this repkl msg with CP850. That's what your original arriving here had.

Yes it did.

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.45
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello Martin!

** On Sunday 12.07.20 - 09:02, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

Yep, that's exactly what's happened because where *incoming* Fido
messages are concerened, I've finally realised that OpenXP uses its own
prorietary kludges. Couple of examples .....

--------- --------
| FTS-5003 | OpenXP |
--------- --------
CHRS --> X-XP-Charset

--------- --------
| FTS-4008 | OpenXP |
--------- --------
TZUTC --> EDA

WHAAAT? You've only noticed that now after all these years? LOL

I guess you never used Ctl-O very much. <g>

Even Thunderbird has its own little way of representing those things.

But what I *do* find unusual is OXP's insistance of changing incoming
CP437 to IBM437. If it has something to do with built-in hardcoded
codepage data in OXP, then maybe that make sense.


../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.45
* Origin: ----------Do Not Fold, Spindle or Mutilate.---------- (2:221/1.58)

Hello August!

*** Sunday 12.07.20 at 16:07, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

Yep, that's exactly what's happened because where *incoming* Fido
messages are concerened, I've finally realised that OpenXP uses its own
prorietary kludges. Couple of examples .....

--------- --------
| FTS-5003 | OpenXP |
--------- --------
CHRS --> X-XP-Charset

--------- --------
| FTS-4008 | OpenXP |
--------- --------
TZUTC --> EDA

WHAAAT? You've only noticed that now after all these years? LOL

Oh, I'd noticed it a looooooooong time ago but I hadn't realised until
just recently that OpenXP changes kludges on *incoming* FTN messages to
its own proprietery kludges.

I guess you never used Ctl-O very much. <g>

I do use it but I've never found it particularly useful :(

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.45
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello Martin!

** On Monday 13.07.20 - 10:58, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

CHRS --> X-XP-Charset
TZUTC --> EDA

WHAAAT? You've only noticed that now after all these years? LOL

Oh, I'd noticed it a looooooooong time ago but I hadn't realised until just recently that OpenXP changes kludges on *incoming* FTN messages to its own proprietery kludges.

:) Where did you think that the typical fido kluges went to? ;)

I guess you never used Ctl-O very much. <g>

I do use it but I've never found it particularly useful :(

Before I discovered that I could modify the display of the message headers
in the reading pane, I flipped to Ctl-O to read the info + other details.

I think MSGID --> MID was the tipoff for me. But was a l-o-n-g time ago
now.


../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.45
* Origin: ----------Do Not Fold, Spindle or Mutilate.---------- (2:221/1.58)