I think it is a good idea to re-state my original problem.

I could not proceed in my installation of openxp until I did something to get past the archivers.

Using any of them to proceed did not work.

Someone suggested how I could get around compression and that did work.

But my Boss Node uses compression and I have bothered him enough with asking for previous install advice.

The fact Winpoint worked right out of the box was a real blessing.

I am excited at the prospect of using OpenXP.

I will try 7zip on my system.

If I have to rebuild my system then that means backing up a whole bunch of crap.[

Alan

--- WinPoint Beta 5 (359.1)
* Origin: WinPoint (1:229/426.36)

Hello Alan!

*** Thursday 23.04.20 at 07:51, Alan Beck wrote to ALL:

I think it is a good idea to re-state my original problem.

Yes, I think it is :)

I could not proceed in my installation of openxp until I did
something to get past the archivers.

Using any of them to proceed did not work.

Hmmm, I really can't imagine why you were having such problems ?

Someone suggested how I could get around compression and that did
work.

Excellent! :)

But my Boss Node uses compression and I have bothered him enough with asking for previous install advice.

Fair enough but can I assume that you are having problems with de- compression?

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.43
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

I can't really tell.

It does and exchange and I do get incoming packets but I think they just sit there.

Something is going out.

Again, I fear I have bothered him enough. Just glad I have my connection.

He is 1:1/1

enough said.

Fair enough but can I assume that you are having problems with de- compression?

Yes, very much so.

Alan

Regards, Martin

-+- OpenXP 5.0.43
@ ORIGINAL: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

--- WinPoint Beta 5 (359.1)
* Origin: WinPoint (1:229/426.36)

Hello Alan!

*** Friday 24.04.20 at 09:10, Alan Beck wrote to Martin Foster:

[snip]

Again, I fear I have bothered him enough. Just glad I have my connection.

He is 1:1/1

^
?

enough said.

Fair enough but can I assume that you are having problems with de-
compression?

Yes, very much so.

I really can't imagine why because it's so easy.

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.43
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello Martin,

On 25.04.20, you wrote to Alan Beck:

Again, I fear I have bothered him enough. Just glad I have my
connection.

He is 1:1/1

^ ?

I was getting that from the nodelist viewer too, but the name it was showing was Jon Justvig, Fidonews Editor. Totally strange.

MEANWHILE, I think I solved the Winpoint Optimization problem. It is related to the nodelist.

Apparently, Winpoint gets confused if it finds rogue NODELIST.### files in the NodelistDL directory. When I cleared out the old ones, including the diffs, and
freshened it up with a recent nodelist, the NL viewer (F9) showed the correct entries.


../|ug

--- WinPoint Beta 5 (359.1)
* Origin: Please write your complaint in this box [ ] - Legibly (2:221/1.59)

Hello August!

*** Saturday 25.04.20 at 17:12, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

Again, I fear I have bothered him enough. Just glad I have my
connection.

He is 1:1/1

^ ?

I was getting that from the nodelist viewer too, but the name it was showing was Jon Justvig, Fidonews Editor. Totally strange.

Yeah but what I was questioning was that I didn't think there was such an address as 1:1/1

MEANWHILE, I think I solved the Winpoint Optimization problem. It is related to the nodelist.

Oh, OK.

Apparently, Winpoint gets confused if it finds rogue NODELIST.###
files in the NodelistDL directory.

Did you mean the DistribNL directory :)

When I cleared out the old ones, including the diffs, and freshened
it up with a recent nodelist, the NL viewer (F9) showed the correct entries.

'scuse me but there shouldn't be any "rogue" nodelist/nodediff files in
there anyway.

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.43
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello Martin,

On Friday 01.05.20, you wrote to August Abolins:

Did you mean the DistribNL directory :)

Yes.. I was thinking "the directory where the nodelists are dropped into".

When I cleared out the old ones, including the diffs, and freshened it
up with a recent nodelist, the NL viewer (F9) showed the correct
entries.

'scuse me but there shouldn't be any "rogue" nodelist/nodediff files in there anyway.

When I drop in the archived nodelists into the DistribNL, WinPoint magically unpacks them. The unpacked version continues to reside there. I had previous older "versions" of nodelists (and not necessarily in sequence) in there as well. But when I deleted the old ones, and recompiled the nodelist, the 1:1/1 entry disappeared.

WinPoint may be the better GUI-based point program compared to Apoint, but I'd rather prefer to take the smoother ride that OpenXP offers.


../|ug


--- WinPoint Beta 5 (359.1)
* Origin: Please write your complaint in this box [ ] - Legibly (2:221/1.59)

Hello August!

*** Saturday 02.05.20 at 00:24, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

Did you mean the DistribNL directory :)

Yes.. I was thinking "the directory where the nodelists are dropped into".

When I cleared out the old ones, including the diffs, and freshened it
up with a recent nodelist, the NL viewer (F9) showed the correct
entries.

'scuse me but there shouldn't be any "rogue" nodelist/nodediff files in
there anyway.

When I drop in the archived nodelists into the DistribNL, WinPoint magically unpacks them.

I've never seen that happen here ?

[snip]

WinPoint may be the better GUI-based point program compared to Apoint,

Yes, it's a much more aesthetically pleasing GUI but it's such a great
shame that all the bugs and issues will never be fixed. Perhaps someone should waft $$$$$$'s under Tim's nose ;)

but I'd rather prefer to take the smoother ride that OpenXP offers.

Yeah me too and we have a very responsive developer.

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.43
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello Martin!

** On Monday 04.05.20 - 13:05, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

When I drop in the archived nodelists into the DistribNL, WinPoint
magically unpacks them.

I've never seen that happen here ?

HUH? Of course you have. It's even documented, by you. ;)

While WinPoint is loaded and running, and I drag and drop a noldelist
archive from the inbound directory to the DistribNL direcory, the NODELIST.Z## file is automatically replaced by its unpacked equivalent
(and the original archive is gone).

WinPoint may be the better GUI-based point program compared to Apoint,

Yes, it's a much more aesthetically pleasing GUI but it's such a great shame that all the bugs and issues will never be fixed. Perhaps someone should waft $$$$$$'s under Tim's nose ;)

I don't know who might have these wafts of $$$$$$'s that you mention, especially at this covid/lockdown/stay-home time.

The hobby needs much greater appeal to make a point program project worth
the effort.

My guess is that the author lost the code since those many years ago. Otherwise, abandoning a fine program like WinPoint does not make much
sense from a geek point of view. Any programmer/geek would love to
revisit old code and make adjustments.

I used to work on a computer called a MacroDataII. It used paper tape to
read a program. I was responsible for programming that darn thing. Programming was all in octal! I wrote a decompiler to decode old tapes.
I'd love to see that code again!

but I'd rather prefer to take the smoother ride that OpenXP offers.

Yeah me too and we have a very responsive developer.

I am gradually using OpenXP a bit more for some select newsgroups (nntp). Infact, it can work rather well for some othernets that have an nntp feed!

Dovenet (which is NOT ftn-based, but has an nntp alternative) looks and operates quite well in oxp.

Scinet, Whispernet, Spooknet, do not cooperate with oxp as a nntp feed.
But they look great using Thunderbird.


../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.43
* Origin: ----------Do Not Fold, Spindle or Mutilate.---------- (2:221/1.58)

Hello August!

*** Monday 04.05.20 at 09:56, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

When I drop in the archived nodelists into the DistribNL, WinPoint
magically unpacks them.

I've never seen that happen here ?

HUH? Of course you have.

See below .....

It's even documented, by you. ;)

Where?

While WinPoint is loaded and running, and I drag and drop a noldelist archive from the inbound directory to the DistribNL direcory, the NODELIST.Z## file is automatically replaced by its unpacked equivalent (and the original archive is gone).

..... I've just tried that and absolutely nothing happened.

WinPoint may be the better GUI-based point program compared to Apoint,

Yes, it's a much more aesthetically pleasing GUI but it's such a great
shame that all the bugs and issues will never be fixed. Perhaps someone
should waft $$$$$$'s under Tim's nose ;)

I don't know who might have these wafts of $$$$$$'s that you mention, especially at this covid/lockdown/stay-home time.

Perhaps there's a "money bags" lurking in a dark corner LOL!

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.43
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello Martin!

** On Tuesday 05.05.20 - 20:35, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

When I drop in the archived nodelists into the DistribNL, WinPoint
magically unpacks them.

I've never seen that happen here ?

Winpoint needs to be running for that to work. You're messin' with my
mind. :/ Make sure you have Winpoint running, drop a nodelist.z## in
the \DistribNL folder and watch Winpoint change it from nodelist.z## to nodelist.###

It's even documented, by you. ;)

Where?

It was a brief confirmation in echomail. Despite my archive of msgs in POINTS, I can't seem to spot the specific exchange we had about it. I
just accepted Winpoint's auto-extraction of the nodelist as default, and moved on. But the bottom line was that the .Z## file had to be physically moved to the /DistribNL directory after a file-request.

Even if you don't have Winpoint running when you do the drag-drop, the
.Z## file will be automatically extracted the next time you launch
Winpoint. And, this is assuming you still have all the fields in Extras/ Options/Nodelists filled in - of course.

While WinPoint is loaded and running, and I drag and drop a noldelist
archive from the inbound directory to the DistribNL direcory, the
NODELIST.Z## file is automatically replaced by its unpacked equivalent
(and the original archive is gone).

..... I've just tried that and absolutely nothing happened.

:( See above.

I don't know who might have these wafts of $$$$$$'s that you
mention, especially at this covid/lockdown/stay-home time.

Perhaps there's a "money bags" lurking in a dark corner LOL!

How do we get their attention to crawl out of that dark corner. If I had
the $$$$$$'s, I'd be using it to cover actual bills at this time.


../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.43
* Origin: ----------Do Not Fold, Spindle or Mutilate.---------- (2:221/1.58)

Hello August!

*** Tuesday 05.05.20 at 21:53, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

When I drop in the archived nodelists into the DistribNL, WinPoint
magically unpacks them.

I've never seen that happen here ?

Winpoint needs to be running for that to work. You're messin' with my mind. :/ Make sure you have Winpoint running, drop a nodelist.z## in the \DistribNL folder and watch Winpoint change it from nodelist.z## to nodelist.###

I'm still watching and nothing's happened yet :)

It's even documented, by you. ;)

Where?

It was a brief confirmation in echomail. Despite my archive of msgs in POINTS, I can't seem to spot the specific exchange we had about it.

I've found one that's relevant to this thread but I don't know if it's the same one you had in mind. Try doing a MsgID search for 4c120309 with
OpenXP by cursoring over /FIDO/POINTS and then:

Message -> Search -> MessageID .....

ÚÄ Search MessageID ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ¿
³ ³
³ Search for 4c120309  ³
³ ³
³ Options Newsgr. ³
| |
³ [x] Find MID-Parts ³
³ ³ ÀÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÙ

See the very last sentence of my reply in that message.

If you can't find that message, let me know and I'll repost it.

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.43
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello Martin,

On Wednesday 06.05.20, you wrote to August Abolins:

Winpoint needs to be running for that to work. You're messin' with my
mind. :/ Make sure you have Winpoint running, drop a nodelist.z## in
the \DistribNL folder and watch Winpoint change it from nodelist.z## to
nodelist.###

I'm still watching and nothing's happened yet :)

Short of capturing on vidoe what I see, I don't know how to convince you that it *is* happening here.

Maybe your WinPoint is not activate to auto-unpack or something like that?

In Extras/Options/Automation, I have:

List updates = Automatic in Background

It was a brief confirmation in echomail. Despite my archive of msgs in
POINTS, I can't seem to spot the specific exchange we had about it.

I've found one that's relevant to this thread but I don't know if it's
the same one you had in mind. Try doing a MsgID search for 4c120309
with OpenXP...

[snip]

If you can't find that message, let me know and I'll repost it.

I found it, but not in my local OpenXP. For me, that Winpoint discussion predated my introduction to OXP, so I looked in my Winpoint. Thankfully, Winpoint automatically includes the msgid in its "text" searches!

In 4c1201309 the last sentence you wrote: "WinPoint's nodelist processor cannot process packed nodelist/pointlist files, although it can process packed nodediff/pointdiff files."

I hear ya. But I swear to you, simply dropping the packed nodelist automatically unpacks here! I still have to Shift+Ctl+L or "Fidonet/ProcessNodelist" manually for the new nodelist to update, however.


../|ug

--- WinPoint Beta 5 (359.1)
* Origin: Please write your complaint in this box [ ] - Legibly (2:221/1.59)

Hello August!

*** Sunday 10.05.20 at 17:27, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

Winpoint needs to be running for that to work. You're messin' with my
mind. :/ Make sure you have Winpoint running, drop a nodelist.z## in
the \DistribNL folder and watch Winpoint change it from nodelist.z## to
nodelist.###

I'm still watching and nothing's happened yet :)

Short of capturing on vidoe what I see, I don't know how to convince you that it *is* happening here.

I'm merely trying to reproduce on my own system what's happening on your system but I can't.

Maybe your WinPoint is not activate to auto-unpack or something like
that?

In Extras/Options/Automation, I have:

List updates = Automatic in Background

Yep, same here.

It was a brief confirmation in echomail. Despite my archive of msgs in
POINTS, I can't seem to spot the specific exchange we had about it.

I've found one that's relevant to this thread but I don't know if it's
the same one you had in mind. Try doing a MsgID search for 4c120309
with OpenXP...

[snip]

If you can't find that message, let me know and I'll repost it.

I found it, but not in my local OpenXP. For me, that Winpoint discussion predated my introduction to OXP, so I looked in my Winpoint. Thankfully, Winpoint automatically includes the msgid in its "text" searches!

Oh, I didn't know WinPoint did that, thanks for the heads-up.

In 4c1201309 the last sentence you wrote: "WinPoint's nodelist processor cannot process packed nodelist/pointlist files, although it can process packed nodediff/pointdiff files."

I hear ya. But I swear to you, simply dropping the packed nodelist automatically unpacks here! I still have to Shift+Ctl+L or "Fidonet/ProcessNodelist" manually for the new nodelist to update, however.

Hmmm, well, there's obviously a difference somewhere between our setups
but what it is eludes me right now. Perhaps one day, one of us will find
it.

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.43
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

On 11/05/2020 4:41 a.m., Martin Foster : August Abolins wrote:

In Extras/Options/Automation, I have:
List updates = Automatic in Background

Yep, same here.

[snip]

Hmmm, well, there's obviously a difference somewhere between our
setups but what it is eludes me right now. Perhaps one day, one
of us will find it.

The change from nodelist.Z## to nodelist.### happens really fast and without any
other visual clues that "processing" is going on.

I'll try to get this on video for you.


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--- TB(Stealth)/Win7
* Origin: nntp://rbb.fidonet.fi - Lake Ylo - Finland (2:221/360.0)

Hello Martin,

On Wednesday 13.05.20, you wrote to August Abolins:

In the meantime, here's my Fido nodelist config .....

Extras -> Options -> Nodelists

Name: Fidonet
Nodelist: NODELIST
Nodediff: NODEDIFF
Archive: NODEDIFF.Z??

Note: NODELIST, NODEDIFF and NODEDIFF.Z?? all point to WinPoint's DistribNL directory.

How does all that compare with your config?

It's the same.

I really have to get that little video done for you!


../|ug

--- WinPoint Beta 5 (359.1)
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