• WinPoint development

    From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Martin Foster on Fri Dec 3 08:11:00 2021
    Hello Martin Foster!

    ** On Friday 03.12.21 - 12:01, Martin Foster wrote to All:

    Hello All!

    For the benefit of those who don't already know, WinPoint is now back in development. Here's a list of changes so far .....

    --------------------------------
    Most notable changes since 359.1
    --------------------------------

    [...]

    Most excellent. I suppose this makes the "POINT Software
    comparisons: PROS and CONS" chart at my https://kolico.ca/ fidonet/echos/points/ ..a bit obsolete! :D

    What is the best way to proceed with an updated install? Will
    the existing config values (areas, passwords, etc..) carry
    over?

    --
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.50
    * Origin: The ONLY point that matters! --> . <-- (2:221/1.58)
  • From Fernando Toledo@4:902/26 to Martin Foster on Fri Dec 3 18:22:06 2021
    El 3/12/21 a las 09:01, Martin Foster escribió:
    Hello All!

    For the benefit of those who don't already know, WinPoint is now back in development. Here's a list of changes so far .....

    --------------------------------
    Most notable changes since 359.1
    --------------------------------

    369.0 (29.10.2021)
    ------------------

    where is the download?
    --- SBBSecho 3.14-Linux
    * Origin: Dock Sud BBS - http://bbs.docksud.com.ar (4:902/26)
  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.7 to August Abolins on Sat Dec 4 11:01:00 2021
    Hello August!

    *** Friday 03.12.21 at 13:11:00, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    For the benefit of those who don't already know, WinPoint is now back in
    development. Here's a list of changes so far .....

    --------------------------------
    Most notable changes since 359.1
    --------------------------------

    [...]

    Most excellent. I suppose this makes the "POINT Software
    comparisons: PROS and CONS" chart at my https://kolico.ca/ fidonet/echos/points/ ..a bit obsolete! :D

    Once there's a *FULL* new release, yes it will.

    Please bear in mind, that at the moment, Tim is releasing BETA TEST *executables* ONLY.

    What is the best way to proceed with an updated install?

    [1] Backup(export) the following registry key ..... HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\New.Vision.Software\WinPoint

    [2] Backup everything in C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\WinPoint

    [3] Download this: http:\\winpoint\org\wp_v375.zip

    [4] Extract the executable and copy it into the same directory as your
    existing WinPoint(359.1) executable.

    [5] Create a shortcut to the new executable and away ya go :)

    Will the existing config values (areas, passwords, etc..) carry over?

    Yes, or at least, mine did.

    NOTES:
    "Extras -> Options" has been moved to "File -> Options". In fact, the "Extras" menu no longer exists.

    Regards,
    Martin
    --- WinPoint 375.0
    * Origin: WinPoint Test Rig - UK - (2:310/31.7)
  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.7 to Fernando Toledo on Sat Dec 4 11:08:48 2021
    Hello Fernando!

    *** Friday 03.12.21 at 21:22:07, Fernando Toledo wrote to Martin Foster:

    For the benefit of those who don't already know, WinPoint is now back in
    development. Here's a list of changes so far .....

    --------------------------------
    Most notable changes since 359.1
    --------------------------------

    369.0 (29.10.2021)
    ------------------

    where is the download?

    The current BETA TEST executable is here .....
    http://winpoint.org/wp_v375.zip

    Please note that this is NOT a full release, it's a BETA TEST executable ONLY.

    To save me typing it all out again, please read the upgrade instructions I posted in my previous message to August Abolins, thanks.

    Regards,
    Martin
    --- WinPoint 375.0
    * Origin: WinPoint Test Rig - UK - (2:310/31.7)
  • From Martin Foster@2:280/464.27 to August Abolins on Fri Feb 11 14:35:12 2022
    Hello August!

    *** Saturday 04.12.21 at 11:01:01, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

    For the benefit of those who don't already know, WinPoint is now back
    in development. Here's a list of changes so far .....

    --------------------------------
    Most notable changes since 359.1
    --------------------------------

    [...]

    Most excellent. I suppose this makes the "POINT Software
    comparisons: PROS and CONS" chart at my https://kolico.ca/
    fidonet/echos/points/ ..a bit obsolete! :D

    Once there's a FULL new release, yes it will.

    As Tim has now pulled the old 359.1 version from his site and replaced it with the current public beta release, most of the WinPoint "PROS and CONS" are now obsolete, as is my "Basic Installation Guide". I've pulled the guide from my site but whether I write a new one, remains to be seen. I obviously leave it up to your good judgement as to what you do with your "PROS and CONS" chart on your site.

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- WinPoint 398.2
    * Origin: WinPoint Test Rig - UK - (2:280/464.27)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Martin Foster on Fri Feb 11 18:53:00 2022
    Hello Martin Foster!

    ** On Friday 11.02.22 - 14:35, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

    Most excellent. I suppose this makes the "POINT Software
    comparisons: PROS and CONS" chart at my https://kolico.ca/
    fidonet/echos/points/ ..a bit obsolete! :D

    I obviously leave it up to your good judgement as to what you do with
    your "PROS and CONS" chart on your site.

    Once a full official version is released, I am prepared to
    delete the table. Or.. to update it, somehow.
    --
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.51
    * Origin: The ONLY point that matters! --> . <-- (2:221/1.58)
  • From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234 to August Abolins on Sat Feb 12 09:16:32 2022
    11 Feb 2022 18:53, you wrote to Martin Foster:

    I obviously leave it up to your good judgement as to what you do
    with your "PROS and CONS" chart on your site.

    Once a full official version is released, I am prepared to
    delete the table. Or.. to update it, somehow.

    The WinPoint site has been updated - the latest version is already available for download:
    http://www.winpoint.org/

    Carlos

    --- GoldED+/W32-MSVC 1.1.5-b20180707
    * Origin: Costa Blanca, Spain (2:341/234)
  • From Martin Foster@2:280/464.27 to August Abolins on Sat Feb 12 08:27:52 2022
    Hello August!

    *** Friday 11.02.22 at 23:53:00, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    Most excellent. I suppose this makes the "POINT Software
    comparisons: PROS and CONS" chart at my https://kolico.ca/
    fidonet/echos/points/ ..a bit obsolete! :D

    I obviously leave it up to your good judgement as to what you do with
    your "PROS and CONS" chart on your site.

    Once a full official version is released, I am prepared to
    delete the table. Or.. to update it, somehow.

    OK, fine, fair comment.

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- WinPoint 398.2
    * Origin: WinPoint Test Rig - UK - (2:280/464.27)
  • From Martin Foster@2:280/464.27 to Carlos Navarro on Sat Feb 12 08:38:06 2022
    Hello Carlos!

    *** Saturday 12.02.22 at 8:16:33, Carlos Navarro wrote to August Abolins:

    I obviously leave it up to your good judgement as to what you do with
    your "PROS and CONS" chart on your site.

    Once a full official version is released, I am prepared to
    delete the table. Or.. to update it, somehow.

    The WinPoint site has been updated - the latest version is already available for download: http://www.winpoint.org/

    Yes but nevertheless, the latest version on Tim's site is a full public *beta* release, unless I'm mistaken.

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- WinPoint 398.2
    * Origin: WinPoint Test Rig - UK - (2:280/464.27)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Martin Foster on Sun Feb 13 14:45:00 2022
    Hello Martin Foster!

    ** On Friday 11.02.22 - 14:35, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

    As Tim has now pulled the old 359.1 version from his site
    and replaced it with the current public beta release, most
    of the WinPoint "PROS and CONS" are now obsolete, as is my
    "Basic Installation Guide". I've pulled the guide from my
    site..

    So.. should 359.1 be considered "decomissioned"? ..and never to
    be used? If not, maybe the userguide can be archived with the
    program since they really go well together.

    However, I am full supporter of avoiding programs that have
    operational issues and limitations that interfere with a
    pleasant consistent experience.


    ..but whether I write a new one, remains to be seen.

    Isn't the install and the initial step-by-step process about
    the same?


    I obviously leave it up to your good judgement as to what
    you do with your "PROS and CONS" chart on your site.

    Maybe I can simply create a link to the CONS for 359.1 to point
    to a subpage or something. Meanwhile, the main table could be
    populated with pending CONS for the latest version?

    --
    ../|ug
    --- OpenXP 5.0.51
    * Origin: The ONLY point that matters! --> . <-- (2:221/1.58)
  • From Martin Foster@2:280/464.27 to August Abolins on Mon Feb 14 09:01:02 2022
    Hello August!

    *** Sunday 13.02.22 at 19:45:00, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    As Tim has now pulled the old 359.1 version from his site and replaced
    it with the current public beta release, most of the WinPoint "PROS and
    CONS" are now obsolete, as is my "Basic Installation Guide". I've pulled
    the guide from my site..

    So.. should 359.1 be considered "decomissioned"? ..and never to
    be used?

    Yes, that's absolutely correct.

    [snip]
    However, I am full supporter of avoiding programs that have operational issues and limitations that interfere with a pleasant consistent experience.

    Fair comment.

    ..but whether I write a new one, remains to be seen.

    Isn't the install and the initial step-by-step process about the same?

    As far as the install goes, it's pretty much the same as it was in 359.1 but some of the wording has changed slightly. However, the initial step-by-step process has changed *dramatically*.

    I obviously leave it up to your good judgement as to what you do with
    your "PROS and CONS" chart on your site.

    Maybe I can simply create a link to the CONS for 359.1 to point
    to a subpage or something.

    Why ??

    Meanwhile, the main table could be populated with pending CONS for the latest version?

    Out of the 17 "CONS", there's now only 4 which are still valid and I can think of at least one addition to the "PROS" :-)

    Regards,
    Martin
    --- WinPoint 398.2
    * Origin: WinPoint Test Rig - UK - (2:280/464.27)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Martin Foster on Mon Feb 21 14:29:00 2022
    Hello Martin Foster!

    ** On Monday 14.02.22 - 09:01, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

    So.. should 359.1 be considered "decomissioned"? ..and never to
    be used?

    Yes, that's absolutely correct.

    What if someone comes along and wants to dabble with 359.1
    According to winpoint.org, the older versions are made
    available too. :(


    I obviously leave it up to your good judgement as to
    what you do with your "PROS and CONS" chart on your
    site.

    Maybe I can simply create a link to the CONS for 359.1 to
    point to a subpage or something.

    Why ??

    'Cuz.. as long as Tim is still offering the older versions, our
    combined research on the the PROS and CONS might still be
    useful?


    Meanwhile, the main table could be populated with pending
    CONS for the latest version?

    Out of the 17 "CONS", there's now only 4 which are still
    valid and I can think of at least one addition to the
    "PROS" :-)

    Let me know which ones are which. I can start to update things
    when I remember how I created that page!

    --
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.51
    * Origin: The ONLY point that matters! --> . <-- (2:221/1.58)
  • From August Abolins@1:396/45.29 to Carlos Navarro on Mon Feb 21 14:31:00 2022
    Hello Carlos Navarro!

    ** On Saturday 12.02.22 - 09:16, Carlos Navarro wrote to August Abolins:

    Once a full official version is released, I am prepared to
    delete the table. Or.. to update it, somehow.

    The WinPoint site has been updated - the latest version is already available for download: http://www.winpoint.org/

    The versions are moving along at a nice pace! I guess pretty
    much every new release can be considered "official"! <G>

    --
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.51
    * Origin: The ONLY point that matters! -> . <- (1:396/45.29)
  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to August Abolins on Wed Feb 23 11:48:00 2022
    Hello August!

    *** Monday 21.02.22 at 14:29, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    So.. should 359.1 be considered "decomissioned"? ..and never to
    be used?

    Yes, that's absolutely correct.

    What if someone comes along and wants to dabble with 359.1
    According to winpoint.org, the older versions are made
    available too. :(

    I really can't imagine anyone wanting to dabble with a 15 year old beta
    when Tim's pushing out regular updates.

    I obviously leave it up to your good judgement as to
    what you do with your "PROS and CONS" chart on your
    site.

    Maybe I can simply create a link to the CONS for 359.1 to
    point to a subpage or something.

    Why ??

    'Cuz.. as long as Tim is still offering the older versions, our
    combined research on the the PROS and CONS might still be
    useful?

    Maybe ?

    Meanwhile, the main table could be populated with pending
    CONS for the latest version?

    Out of the 17 "CONS", there's now only 4 which are still
    valid and I can think of at least one addition to the
    "PROS" :-)

    Let me know which ones are which. I can start to update things
    when I remember how I created that page!

    OK, will do but I don't have time to do that right now, "real life" intervenes :(

    Hopefully, I'll have time to do it in the next few days.

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.51
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)
  • From Tim Schattkowsky@2:310/31.6 to August Abolins on Wed Feb 23 13:05:48 2022
    //Hello August,//

    on *21.02.22* at *19:29:00* You wrote in Area *POINTS*
    to *Martin Foster* about *"WinPoint development"*.

    What if someone comes along and wants to dabble with 359.1 According to winpoint.org, the older versions are made
    available too. :(

    I already removed anything prior to 398.2 from the web site.

    Regards,
    Tim

    --- WinPoint 400.2
    * Origin: Original WinPoint Origin! (2:310/31.6)
  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to August Abolins on Thu Feb 24 09:14:00 2022
    Hello August!

    *** Monday 21.02.22 at 14:29, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    [snip]
    Out of the 17 "CONS", there's now only 4 which are still
    valid and I can think of at least one addition to the
    "PROS" :-)

    Let me know which ones are which. I can start to update things
    when I remember how I created that page!

    OK, here we go :-)

    [CONS] The following can be safely removed: -------------------------------------------

    - internal editor: ^Y deletes UNDER the current line.

    - limited to no extended-ascii support

    - does not support incoming areafix lists that are in lowercase [*3]

    - sometimes areafix is created for "0:8/15" address.

    - received nodelists need manual intervention to \WinpointNL directory

    - if you don't specify a domain, WinPoint adds "@" to the end of your AKA [*4]

    - when forwarding a post to another echo/area, the Extra/Options/
    Templates for the defined header/footer do not get inserted into the new message.

    - when replying to a message (echo or netmail) templates (headers/footers)
    do not get applied.

    - reply window opens up full screen [*5]

    - when message sort order is last "set" by Received date or Sent date and newest to oldest, the program will always resort by oldest to newest the
    next time the program is run.

    - when message sort order is last "set" by Bytes and largest to smallest,
    the program will always resort by smallest to largest the next time the program is run.

    Footnotes 3,4 and 5 can also be safely removed.

    [CONS] I'm unsure about the following:
    --------------------------------------

    - no highlighting on a search match

    - editor on reply removes <CR>'s on a line by line basis; therefore
    ordered lists/lines/columnar text in incoming messages become reflowed paragraphs.

    And there you have it :-)

    The [PROS] section also needs a bit of attention but I'll post my thoughts
    in a separate message.

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.51
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)
  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to Tim Schattkowsky on Thu Feb 24 09:16:00 2022
    Hello Tim!

    *** Wednesday 23.02.22 at 13:05, Tim Schattkowsky wrote to August Abolins:

    What if someone comes along and wants to dabble with 359.1 According to
    winpoint.org, the older versions are made
    available too. :(

    I already removed anything prior to 398.2 from the web site.

    Smart move :)

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.51
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)
  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to August Abolins on Fri Feb 25 10:40:00 2022
    Hello August!

    *** Thursday 24.02.22 at 09:14, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

    [snip]
    And there you have it :-)

    Well, almost:

    I've just thought of a couple of items which you may like to consider
    adding to the "[CONS]" section .....

    - no English documentation

    - no context sensitive help <F1>

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.51
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)
  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to August Abolins on Fri Feb 25 11:08:00 2022
    Hello Martin!

    *** Thursday 24.02.22 at 09:14, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

    [snip]
    The [PROS] section also needs a bit of attention but I'll post my
    thoughts in a separate message.

    Here we go .....

    "[PROS]"

    Correction:
    -----------
    - font size, font colours, background colours customizable in the message reader and in the message editor

    Additions:
    ----------
    - fully automatic and/or manual processing of nodelist/pointlist update
    files

    - integrated hatch manager

    - comprehensive codepage support

    - support from the developer in the WINPOINT echo

    Regarding codepage support, perhaps a footnote listing all supported codepages would be in order.

    Currently supported codepages are: IBMPC, CP850, CP852, CP866, CP895,
    CP1250, CP1251, CP1252, CP10000, ISO-8859-1, ISO-8859-2, UTF-8

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.51
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)
  • From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234.12 to Martin Foster on Fri Feb 25 17:04:02 2022
    On 25/2/22 11:08 you wrote:

    "[PROS]"
    [...]
    - comprehensive codepage support

    - automatically replies in the same encoding/charset used by the message being replied to.

    Carlos
    --- Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android
    * Origin: Costa Blanca, Spain (2:341/234.12)
  • From Tim Schattkowsky@2:310/31.6 to Martin Foster on Fri Feb 25 20:25:04 2022
    //Hello Martin,//

    on *24.02.22* at *9:14:00* You wrote in Area *POINTS*
    to *August Abolins* about *"WinPoint development"*.

    [CONS] I'm unsure about the following: --------------------------------------

    - no highlighting on a search match

    Still the case. Particularly since the search function mach have multiple matches in the same mail, this would require a mechanism to highligh multiple places in a message, that currently doesn exist.

    - editor on reply removes <CR>'s on a line by line basis; therefore ordered lists/lines/columnar text in incoming messages become reflowed paragraphs.

    This should be largely adressed by the more intelligent reflow behavior introduced recently in WP. Also, this can be disabled per area.

    Regards,
    Tim

    --- WinPoint 400.3
    * Origin: Original WinPoint Origin! (2:310/31.6)
  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to Carlos Navarro on Sat Feb 26 08:44:00 2022
    Hello Carlos!

    *** Friday 25.02.22 at 17:04, Carlos Navarro wrote to Martin Foster:

    "[PROS]"
    [...]
    - comprehensive codepage support

    - automatically replies in the same encoding/charset used by the message being replied to.

    Yes, that's worthy of a place in the "[PROS]" column and that's just
    prompted me for something else that may be a worthy candidate .....

    - charset can be displayed against each message in the message list

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.51
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)
  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to Tim Schattkowsky on Sat Feb 26 08:45:00 2022
    Hello Tim!

    *** Friday 25.02.22 at 20:25, Tim Schattkowsky wrote to Martin Foster:

    [CONS] I'm unsure about the following:
    --------------------------------------

    - no highlighting on a search match

    Still the case. Particularly since the search function mach have multiple matches in the same mail, this would require a mechanism to highligh multiple places in a message, that currently doesn exist.

    OK and many thanks for clarifying that.

    - editor on reply removes <CR>'s on a line by line basis; therefore
    ordered lists/lines/columnar text in incoming messages become reflowed
    paragraphs.

    This should be largely adressed by the more intelligent reflow behavior introduced recently in WP. Also, this can be disabled per area.

    OK and many thanks for clarifying that also.

    Methinks that just about wraps it up for now, unless anyone else has
    anything they think needs adding or removing. At the end of the day, it's entirely up to August's good judgement as to what to do. After all, it's
    his comparison chart, not mine :-)

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.51
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)
  • From Martin Foster@2:280/464.27 to August Abolins on Sun Mar 6 11:29:54 2022
    Hello August!

    *** Friday 25.02.22 at 11:08:00, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

    [snip]
    The [PROS] section also needs a bit of attention but I'll post my
    thoughts in a separate message.

    Here we go .....

    "[PROS]"

    Correction:
    -----------
    - font size, font colours, background colours customizable in the message reader and in the message editor

    Additions:
    ----------
    - fully automatic and/or manual processing of nodelist/pointlist update files

    - integrated hatch manager

    - comprehensive codepage support

    - support from the developer in the WINPOINT echo

    Regarding codepage support, perhaps a footnote listing all supported codepages would be in order.

    Currently supported codepages are: IBMPC, CP850, CP852, CP866, CP895, CP1250, CP1251, CP1252, CP10000, ISO-8859-1, ISO-8859-2, UTF-8

    Here's another one for the "[PROS]" section .....

    - supports IPv6

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- WinPoint 403.0
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:280/464.27)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.59 to Martin Foster on Sun Mar 6 08:00:42 2022
    Hello Martin,

    On Sunday 06.03.22, you wrote to August Abolins:


    Here's another one for the "[PROS]" section .....

    - supports IPv6


    Yes.. I read about that one. So, it's fairly simple to implement. Perhaps OpenXP could have that consideration too! :D

    Apoint is definately one to drop for all intents and purposes, I guess.

    ../|ug
    --- WinPoint 398.2
    * Origin: Please write your complaint in this box [ ] - Legibly (2:221/1.59)
  • From Martin Foster@2:280/464.27 to August Abolins on Mon Mar 7 11:40:50 2022
    Hello August!

    *** Sunday 06.03.22 at 13:00:42, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    Here's another one for the "[PROS]" section .....

    - supports IPv6

    Yes.. I read about that one. So, it's fairly simple to implement.

    Not being a programmer, I couldn't really comment about its implementation.

    Perhaps OpenXP could have that consideration too! :D

    Gunter implemented IPv6 for POP3, SMTP and NNTP a long time ago but for some unknown reason, he didn't implement it for Fido-over-IP ??

    Apoint is definately one to drop for all intents and purposes, I guess.

    Nope, I have to disagree on the following grounds .....
    - its message marking system is absolutely magnificent
    - it fully supports styled text
    - it still supports POTS
    - it includes email and news clients(dial-up)

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- WinPoint 403.0
    * Origin: WinPoint Test Rig - UK - (2:280/464.27)