Does Mystic run fine on a new M2 mac ? Has anyone testing this install ?

Thanks

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Does Mystic run fine on a new M2 mac ? Has anyone testing this install ?

Thats a good question.

I would need an M1/M2 hardware to make a native version, so for now one does not exist for Mystic. I did receive a Netmail from someone offering to help me with M1 Mac access but I haven't had a chance to follow up with them yet.

The new Macs have something called Rosetta which will allow Intel Mac applications to run on the M processors. Its possible the Mystic macOS Intel version could work using that, but I haven't heard of anyone trying it yet.

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g00r00 mumbled something to iNoNaMouSe <=-

Does Mystic run fine on a new M2 mac ? Has anyone testing this install ?

Thats a good question.

I would need an M1/M2 hardware to make a native version, so for now one does not exist for Mystic. I did receive a Netmail from someone
offering to help me with M1 Mac access but I haven't had a chance to follow up with them yet.

The new Macs have something called Rosetta which will allow Intel Mac applications to run on the M processors. Its possible the Mystic macOS Intel version could work using that, but I haven't heard of anyone
trying it yet.

Ok, thanks for the feedback. I may be going with a new M2 Mac Mini in the near future. If so, I will see how the existing version runs on it. If
it doesn't I will wait until someone gets you access to compile and testing
on one.

Thanks
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Speaking from experience, the problem with running Mystic from any Mac is that door games won't run. I couldn't even get the built-in BlackJack to work. And most of the good door games run in DOS. I suppose a workaround would be to use the game
servers out there...

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Hello Byte,

Speaking from experience, the problem with running Mystic from any Mac
is that door games won't run.

That's a bummer. On linux there are a few ways to run old dos doors but I have no experience with a Mac.

I couldn't even get the built-in BlackJack to work.

That's odd. the BlackJack game is not a door, it is a script that Mystic runs itself. Do you see any error messages when you try to run it.

And most of the good door games run in DOS. I suppose a workaround
would be to use the game servers out there...

Yes, the game servers would work. Isn't it amazing the number and variety of truly great doors that were written in '95ish, that we are still running today?

Can you run doors with source that were designed to run on linux? apam wrote a couple of doors (recently) called Galactic Dynasty and For Honour (like but not the same as L.O.R.D.). Both are InterBBS capable and run nicely here.

apam's doors run in Windows also. I wonder if the source would build on your Mac, but I don't know.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Byte Knight (Captain's Quarters II wrote to All <=-

Speaking from experience, the problem with running Mystic from any Mac
is that door games won't run. I couldn't even get the built-in
BlackJack to work. And most of the good door games run in DOS. I suppose a workaround would be to use the game servers out there...

I am not concerned with needing to run the door games from the Mac itself.
I main;y utilize a game server, or if need be a local 'game server'

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Speaking from experience, the problem with running Mystic from any Mac
is that door games won't run. I couldn't even get the built-in

Thats the problem with any BBS on Mac. Its too bad there isn't a good DOS emulator for doors.

suppose a workaround would be to use the game servers out there...

I think this is the easiest solution for those who'd want to run on a Mac. The other possibility would maybe be running an old 32-bit windows in a VMware.

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On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 5:22:24 PM UTC-6, Al wrote:

Hello Byte,

That's odd. the BlackJack game is not a door, it is a script that Mystic runs itself. Do you see any error messages when you try to run it.

It was so long ago that I don't recall.

Yes, the game servers would work. Isn't it amazing the number and variety of truly great doors that were written in '95ish, that we are still running today?

Agreed - LORD and Trade Wars are still going strong!

Can you run doors with source that were designed to run on linux? apam wrote a
couple of doors (recently) called Galactic Dynasty and For Honour (like but not
the same as L.O.R.D.). Both are InterBBS capable and run nicely here.

Not that I'm aware of but I haven't tried, and I will check these door games out!

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On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 7:20:26 PM UTC-6, Rick Sanchez wrote:

I am not concerned with needing to run the door games from the Mac itself.
I main;y utilize a game server, or if need be a local 'game server'

Gotcha. You also probably won't be able to run many of the modern BBS mods out there like from Phenom Productions.

But it would be awesome to see another Mac BBS out there - we are very under-represented!

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Byte Knight (Captain's Quarters II wrote to iNoNaMouSe <=-

On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 7:20:26 PM UTC-6, Rick Sanchez wrote:

I am not concerned with needing to run the door games from the Mac itself.
I main;y utilize a game server, or if need be a local 'game server'

Gotcha. You also probably won't be able to run many of the modern BBS mods out there like from Phenom Productions.

You may be correct on some of that, yes. Most of the mods I had running on
my Mystic BBS before were self-coded in mpl. Some of theme the idea came
from Phenom or other type scripts/mods. I just made different versions of
them in mpl for my BBS. I did this often, since many of them only were
written to support 80x25, and I wanted all menus/scripts to support 132x36
also. So I had everything detecting and using the right screen size.


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On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 6:20:20 PM UTC-6, Rick Sanchez wrote:

You may be correct on some of that, yes. Most of the mods I had running on
my Mystic BBS before were self-coded in mpl. Some of theme the idea came
from Phenom or other type scripts/mods. I just made different versions of them in mpl for my BBS. I did this often, since many of them only were written to support 80x25, and I wanted all menus/scripts to support 132x36 also. So I had everything detecting and using the right screen size.

That's cool! What BBS did you run and what kind of Mac did you run it on?

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Byte Knight (Captain's Quarters II wrote to Rick Sanchez <=-

That's cool! What BBS did you run and what kind of Mac did you run it on?

This was Mystic on Linux at the time. I haven't run it on MacOS yet. But
I think I should be able to make most of everything I had working on Mac
as well. I guess maybe I shall find out. However, I may have to look a different direction if I cannot help figure out what causes Mystic's
QWK mail handling to be so poor. Three Mystic BBS's I've tried to rely
solely on QWK packets for all message handling have failed. After about
a week or so on each, Mystic loses my last read pointers and I then have thousands of new messsages again. This time, on 20 For Beers, it did that
but also says I have no new messages every time. So I can no longer
download packets at all.

Soo... I am not sure which BBS package I will end up going with now. :(

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Soo... I am not sure which BBS package I will end up going with now. :(

You've reported a bug about 3 days ago, and one which no one has reported ever in 20+ years. If your reaction is to throw in the towel in a couple days after you find a bug, you're probably best not using any BBS lol

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that but also says I have no new messages every time. So I can no longer download packets at all.

You can set your download message date for your QWK it should be on the menu, unless 20 beers removed it for some reason.

Quick question: Are you downloading by FTP or from the BBS? I forgot to ask that. The FTP engine is "new" from 2010 or so, and the BBS one is from 1997 ( different code unfortunately).

I did release an unconfirmed fix, but its going to take time for Paulie to upgrade. The newer version has some changes to data files and he is doing some offline testing first.

You are more than welcome to download Mystic and try to reproduce the problem if you'd like to help resolve it. The latest "cutting edge" release is: www.mysticbbs.com/downloads/prealpha/paulie

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g00r00 wrote to Rick Sanchez <=-

that but also says I have no new messages every time. So I can no longer download packets at all.

You can set your download message date for your QWK it should be on the menu, unless 20 beers removed it for some reason.

Quick question: Are you downloading by FTP or from the BBS? I forgot
to ask that. The FTP engine is "new" from 2010 or so, and the BBS one
is from 1997 ( different code unfortunately).

I am downloading via the BBS, not with FTP. 20 For doesn't have a date set
in the QWK menu. I am trying to leave it 'broken' so paulie can see what is doing the next time I can catch him when we are both on the BBS.
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g00r00 wrote to Rick Sanchez <=-

Soo... I am not sure which BBS package I will end up going with now. :(

You've reported a bug about 3 days ago, and one which no one has
reported ever in 20+ years. If your reaction is to throw in the towel
in a couple days after you find a bug, you're probably best not using
any BBS lol

I am not throwing in the towel, hence why I keep trying to help figure out
what is causing this issue to happen. I prefer Mystic over any other BBS software, but I also prefer to read and respond to all my FTN mail via 'offline' methods. So hoping to make both work.

Paulie runs maintenance very night at midnight, and that doesn't seem to
mess up these last read pointers. However, my best guess at the moment
is it seems almost weekly. I am not sure if there is some maintenance
that only happens on a more weekly type of basis that may be messing
up last read somehow.
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I am downloading via the BBS, not with FTP. 20 For doesn't have a date set in the QWK menu. I am trying to leave it 'broken' so paulie can see what is doing the next time I can catch him when we are both on the BBS.

Gotcha. There should be a set message date on the message menu and it works for both QWK and your own BBS last read pointers.

Here is my theory:

When you download a QWK packet, Mystic starts at your last read message + 1. When the last read was updated, it was setting it as last read + 1. When Mystic's message base packer was packing everything, it found that the last read message was an invalid message number and was resetting it to 0.

I do think its fixed in the "Paulie" build but we'll see. I didn't start with a reproducable issue on my end so I can't be certain.

I've also switched to using a mixture of MultiMail QWK and online Mystic to see if I can catch the "fixed" version doing the same stuff. I'll be packing the message bases daily as well.

We'll get it sorted out and a new stable release out once its done and Paulie confirms any issues he has regarding file bases is okay!

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Paulie runs maintenance very night at midnight, and that doesn't seem to mess up these last read pointers. However, my best guess at the moment
is it seems almost weekly. I am not sure if there is some maintenance

I am wondering if he does a weekly message base pack, which is along the lines of what I recommend at least. I don't recommend people run it nightly because what it does is completely recreates the message bases from scratch based on the existing data. "Pack" isn't really a good word for it but its intensive.

Lets hope its a weekly thing for him and we'll see it fixed in the new one!

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On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 11:20:19 AM UTC-6, Rick Sanchez wrote:

This was Mystic on Linux at the time. I haven't run it on MacOS yet. But
I think I should be able to make most of everything I had working on Mac
as well. I guess maybe I shall find out. However, I may have to look a different direction if I cannot help figure out what causes Mystic's
QWK mail handling to be so poor. Three Mystic BBS's I've tried to rely solely on QWK packets for all message handling have failed. After about
a week or so on each, Mystic loses my last read pointers and I then have thousands of new messsages again. This time, on 20 For Beers, it did that but also says I have no new messages every time. So I can no longer
download packets at all.

Soo... I am not sure which BBS package I will end up going with now. :(

Any thoughts of using Hermes II? I know it's old but I've got the unreleased 3.5.11 version up and running via TCP and it seems to be pretty stable in OS9. Same issue with the door games though - I can only get two to work (Leech and Blackjack Pro).
Not sure, but maybe there would be a way to connect to the game servers using a Python external or if you're handy with THINK Pascal...

-BK

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On 31 Jan 23 14:08:32, G00R00 said the following to Rick Sanchez:

Lets hope its a weekly thing for him and we'll see it fixed in the new one!

And the stereophonic Cowbell notification feature, where is that?

Nick

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Lets hope its a weekly thing for him and we'll see it fixed in the new

And the stereophonic Cowbell notification feature, where is that?

The Dolby Atmos SysOp cowbell is scheduled to be included in version 42.
.

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plausible and was what I was already suspecting was going on. I shall see what happens over this next week or two on 20forbeers and see if it doesn't happen again in about the same amount of time.

I don't know what his upgrade timeline is so it may happen again because he hasn't upgraded yet. I know he wanted to experiment with that build before upgrading because it has some data file changes.

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Byte Knight (Captain's Quarters II wrote to iNoNaMouSe <=-

Any thoughts of using Hermes II? I know it's old but I've got the unreleased 3.5.11 version up and running via TCP and it seems to be pretty stable in OS9. Same issue with the door games though - I can
only get two to work (Leech and Blackjack Pro). Not sure, but maybe
there would be a way to connect to the game servers using a Python external or if you're handy with THINK Pascal...

I would most likely prefer something still in active development if possible.


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And the stereophonic Cowbell notification feature, where is that?

We don't need more cowbell, BUT, when necessary, it simply must be sterophonic. There is a time and a place. :-)


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I don't know what his upgrade timeline is so it may happen again because he hasn't upgraded yet. I know he wanted to experiment with that build before upgrading because it has some data file changes.

I am not sure if he implemented the new build or not yet. It did happen again after this Sunday night. So it is happening on whatever BBS maintenance he is running weekly. Maybe he will chime in to this message when he sees it and confirm what build he is using and what maintenance he is running weekly.


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I am not sure if he implemented the new build or not yet. It did happen again after this Sunday night. So it is happening on whatever BBS maintenance he is running weekly. Maybe he will chime in to this

It doesn't seem like he has implemented the fixed build yet, unfortunately. I have been testing here off and on and there hasn't been any issue yet for me, so I am hoping the new one fixes is.

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