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  • TB format=flowed update

    From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to All on Wed Mar 27 18:53:28 2024
    Hello All,

    I noticed I was injecting non breaking spaces again, I must have reverted some changes I did back when it was a topic of conversation. However, the good news is I tinkered a little bit more, and have come up with probably the best answer in regards to Thunderbird and format=flowed. This is all you need to change in Settings - Config Editor:

    mailnews.display.disable_format_flowed_support = true

    This one:

    mailnews.send_plaintext_flowed = true

    .. can stay default (true), and will actually continue to use format=flowed in Thunderbird, without adding that 'crap' as Tommi calls it. :)

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Take my advice, I don't use it anyway."
    --- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:115.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderb
    * Origin: _thePharcyde distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)
  • From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234.99 to Nicholas Boel on Thu Mar 28 18:42:28 2024
    28/03/2024 0:53, Nicholas Boel -> All:\n

    I noticed I was injecting non breaking spaces again, I must have
    reverted some changes I did back when it was a topic of conversation. However, the good news is I tinkered a little bit more, and have come up with probably the best answer in regards to Thunderbird and
    format=flowed. This is all you need to change in Settings - Config Editor:

    mailnews.display.disable_format_flowed_support = true

    Interesting. Just tested, no NBSPs inserted.

    However there is now another extra (normal) space:

    * Origin: _thePharcyde distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)

    But I suppose we can live with that...

    Carlos

    --- Mozilla Thunderbird
    * Origin: cyberiada-NNTP (2:341/234.99)
  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Carlos Navarro on Thu Mar 28 17:08:28 2024
    On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 23:42:28 +0100, Carlos Navarro -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

    Interesting. Just tested, no NBSPs inserted.

    However there is now another extra (normal) space:

    * Origin: _thePharcyde distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)

    But I suppose we can live with that...

    --- Mozilla Thunderbird
    * Origin: cyberiada-NNTP (2:341/234.99)

    I see it in yours as well. I wonder what that could be now. Thunderbird is so finicky.

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Take my advice, I don't use it anyway."
    --- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:115.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderb
    * Origin: _thePharcyde distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)
  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Carlos Navarro on Thu Mar 28 17:14:26 2024
    On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 23:42:28 +0100, Carlos Navarro -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

    * Origin: _thePharcyde distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)

    But I suppose we can live with that...

    I noticed when you or I quoted it the first time, it added another space. Just a quick test to see if it adds yet another one.

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Take my advice, I don't use it anyway."
    --- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:115.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderb
    * Origin: _thePharcyde distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)
  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Carlos Navarro on Thu Mar 28 17:17:30 2024
    Hello Carlos,

    On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 18:42:28 +0100, you wrote to me:

    But I suppose we can live with that...

    Carlos

    --- Mozilla Thunderbird
    * Origin: cyberiada-NNTP (2:341/234.99)

    Looks like it is only viewable that way in Thunderbird itself. So as long as nobody else can complain about it, then I agree. I can live with that if you can. :)

    Regards,
    Nick


    ... "Take my advice, I don't use it anyway."
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20240309
    * Origin: _thePharcyde distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)
  • From Tommi Koivula@1:154/10 to Nicholas Boel on Fri Mar 29 01:54:34 2024
    On 28.03.2024 6:53, Nicholas Boel wrote:

    Hello All,

    I noticed I was injecting non breaking spaces again, I must have
    reverted some changes I did back when it was a topic of conversation. However, the good news is I tinkered a little bit more, and have come up with probably the best answer in regards to Thunderbird and
    format=flowed. This is all you need to change in Settings - Config Editor:

    mailnews.display.disable_format_flowed_support = true

    Set. Testing...


    This one:

    mailnews.send_plaintext_flowed = true

    .. can stay default (true), and will actually continue to use format=flowed in Thunderbird, without adding that 'crap' as Tommi calls it. :)

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Take my advice, I don't use it anyway."
    --- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:115.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderb
    * Origin: _thePharcyde distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)

    'Tommi
    ---
    * Origin: _thePharcyde distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)
  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/6 to Nicholas Boel on Fri Mar 29 08:57:56 2024
    On 28.03.2024 1:53, Nicholas Boel wrote:
    Hello All,

    I noticed I was injecting non breaking spaces again, I must have
    reverted some changes I did back when it was a topic of conversation. However, the good news is I tinkered a little bit more, and have come up
    with probably the best answer in regards to Thunderbird and
    format=flowed. This is all you need to change in Settings - Config Editor:

    mailnews.display.disable_format_flowed_support = true

    This one:

    mailnews.send_plaintext_flowed = true

    .. can stay default (true), and will actually continue to use
    format=flowed in Thunderbird, without adding that 'crap' as Tommi calls it. :)

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Take my advice, I don't use it anyway."
    --- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:115.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderb
    * Origin: _thePharcyde distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)

    Another server.. Same Thunderbird. :)

    'Tommi

    --- FMail-lnx64 2.3.0.2-B20240324
    * Origin: jamnntpd/lnx (2:221/6.0)
  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Tommi Koivula on Fri Mar 29 19:07:00 2024
    Hello Tommi,

    On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 06:54:34 -0500, you wrote:

    mailnews.display.disable_format_flowed_support = true

    Set. Testing...

    Do you confirm seeing the extra space before the origin line in Thunderbird only?

    ... "Take my advice, I don't use it anyway."
    --- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:115.0)
    Gecko/20100101 Thunderb
    * Origin: _thePharcyde distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)

    By the way, you can fix quoting issues like this by hitting CTRL-R when editing/replying to a quoted message in Thunderbird. At least until we can figure out what to do about WRAP_WIDTH. :)

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.
    --- slrn/pre1.0.4-9 (Linux)
    * Origin: _thePharcyde distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)
  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Tommi Koivula on Fri Mar 29 19:42:46 2024
    On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 13:57:56 +0200, Tommi Koivula -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

    Another server.. Same Thunderbird. :)

    'Tommi

    --- FMail-lnx64 2.3.0.2-B20240324
    * Origin: jamnntpd/lnx (2:221/6.0)

    Testing a possible fix.

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Take my advice, I don't use it anyway."
    --- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:115.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderb
    * Origin: _thePharcyde distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)
  • From Tommi Koivula@1:154/10 to Nicholas Boel on Sat Mar 30 01:34:20 2024
    On 30.03.2024 7:07, Nicholas Boel wrote:

    mailnews.display.disable_format_flowed_support = true

    Set. Testing...

    Do you confirm seeing the extra space before the origin line in Thunderbird only?

    In thunderbird it looks ok now, but in Sylpheed the extra space is there.

    TB:
    "... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway."
    "--- slrn/pre1.0.4-9 (Linux)"
    " * Origin: _thePharcyde distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)"

    Sypheed:
    "... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway."
    "--- slrn/pre1.0.4-9 (Linux)"
    " * Origin: _thePharcyde distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)"


    ... "Take my advice, I don't use it anyway."
    --- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:115.0)
    Gecko/20100101 Thunderb
    * Origin: _thePharcyde distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)

    By the way, you can fix quoting issues like this by hitting CTRL-R when editing/replying to a quoted message in Thunderbird.

    Most of the time ctrl-r makes it even worse. ;)

    'Tommi

    .......................
    ---
    * Origin: _thePharcyde distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)
  • From Tommi Koivula@1:154/10 to Nicholas Boel on Sat Mar 30 01:37:30 2024
    Nicholas Boel wrote:

    Testing a possible fix.

    "... "Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.""
    "--- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:115.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderb"
    " * Origin: _thePharcyde distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)"

    Nope. :(
    --- Zzz...
    * Origin: _thePharcyde distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)
  • From Tommi Koivula@1:154/10 to Nicholas Boel on Sat Mar 30 01:40:08 2024

    Testing a possible fix.

    In TB looks ok:

    "... "Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.""
    "--- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:115.0)"
    " * Origin: _thePharcyde distribution system (Wisconsin)"

    But quoted looks not ok:

    ... "Take my advice, I don't use it anyway."
    --- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:115.0)
    * Origin: _thePharcyde distribution system (Wisconsin)

    'Tommi

    ...
    ---
    * Origin: _thePharcyde distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)
  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Tommi Koivula on Sat Mar 30 08:57:58 2024
    On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 06:40:08 -0500, Tommi Koivula -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

    "... "Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.""
    "--- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:115.0)"
    " * Origin: _thePharcyde distribution system (Wisconsin)"

    But quoted looks not ok:

    ... "Take my advice, I don't use it anyway."
    --- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:115.0)
    * Origin: _thePharcyde distribution system (Wisconsin)

    I noticed that after pushing the first fix. Looks like I'll need to look at the quoting part of the code for another fix.

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Take my advice, I don't use it anyway."
    --- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:115.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderb
    * Origin: _thePharcyde distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)
  • From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234.1 to Tommi Koivula on Sun Mar 31 21:22:52 2024
    30 Mar 2024 01:34, you wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    By the way, you can fix quoting issues like this by hitting
    CTRL-R when editing/replying to a quoted message in Thunderbird.

    Most of the time ctrl-r makes it even worse. ;)

    Yeah, Mozilla developers didn't have FTN-style quoting in mind :-)

    Carlos

    --- GoldED+/W32-MSVC 1.1.5-b20180707
    * Origin: cyberiada (2:341/234.1)